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hikikoHi05:01
TheMusoHey hikiko.05:06
dufluhikiko, TheMuso: Happy Monday morning/afternoon06:05
pittiGood morning06:11
duflupitti: Morning06:13
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hikikohttp://askubuntu.com/questions/43386/how-do-i-get-my-blacked-out-ttys-back <- i have the problem he describes on xenial :/ blacked out ttys from 1 to 607:35
hikikohappy monday duflu pitti TheMuso etc :D07:37
pittihey hikiko!07:37
hikikohi :)07:37
willcookemorning all07:59
seb128good morning desktopers08:01
willcookehey seb128!  How was your break?08:01
seb128hey willcooke lan3y08:01
seb128good!08:01
seb128enjoyed some nice weather and walks in the nature08:02
seb128how was it here? not too much madness?08:02
willcookeseb128, some madness08:02
willcooke:)08:02
seb128of course08:02
willcookeBeta was fun08:02
seb128would be boring otherwise ;-)08:02
willcookeBut I think we've cracked it now.  Still catching up on my emails from last week08:02
willcookeOther than that, pretty good08:03
seb128had a good week off as well?08:03
willcookeYeah, it was really nice.  Sunshine and doing things with the family.  A nice break08:04
willcookeand I'm off again on Friday for a long weekend :)08:04
willcookeThen we go to SLC08:04
willcookethen back08:05
willcookethen Prague08:05
willcookethen it's May08:05
willcooke??!?!08:05
seb128indeed08:05
seb128with 16.04 in between08:05
willcookeoh yeah!08:05
willcookeman, gonna need another holiday soon08:05
pittibonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?08:05
pittihey willcooke08:05
willcookemorning pitti08:05
seb128salut pitti! ça va bien! et toi ?08:05
pittiseb128: ça va bien aussi, le week-end était magnifique -- le premier vrai week-end de printemps08:06
seb128chouette08:06
pittion a fait beaucoup de jardinage, j'ai nettoyé les fenêtres, etc.08:07
seb128c'est bien de profiter du jardin ;-)08:08
pittien effet !08:08
pittic'est un plaisir, beaucoup de <tulips> maintenant08:09
seb128:-)08:11
seb128willcooke, is Laney back today?08:12
willcookeseb128, he's at the GNOME Software hackfest08:13
willcookealong with attenta08:13
willcookeattente08:13
seb128oh, right, that's this week08:13
willcookeJust about to hit send on the who-where-when email...08:13
seb128k08:17
seb128willcooke, do you have anything specific on your list we should focus on? I did mostly catch up on emails and I'm going to do some bug triage/iso testing/bugs fixing today but I'm a bit out of the loop on recent issues so let me know if you know of any we should work on now08:18
willcookeseb128, sure.  Just getting my list updated no08:19
willcookenow08:19
willcookeMost important off the top of my head08:19
willcookeis that 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade issue08:19
willcookewhich I think is diagnosed now08:19
willcookeand this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/153222608:20
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1532226 in unity (Ubuntu) "A significant number of fresh boots or restarts result in no menus for most apps" [High,Confirmed]08:20
willcookewhich Trevinho is working on08:20
willcookePlus the swap on install issue08:20
seb128I saw that in my email backlog08:20
seb128I see that cyphermox did a udisk upload, that might fix those installer/partition issues08:21
willcookeah nice08:21
willcookehe was working on it last week, so that sounds right08:21
seb128btw you didn't manage to land your themes fixes? I saw the changelog listing the linked buttons styling only08:22
seb128I though you had some for e.g the calendar current day focus one08:22
seb128or it looked like from emails08:22
willcookelan3y wasnt sure if we should land the others changes or not08:22
willcookeit was late08:22
willcookeI have fixed most of them, I'll send you some links and we can work it out08:23
seb128:-(08:23
seb128lan3y and I have different conservativeness balances :p08:23
willcooke:) yeah08:23
seb128like currently the selected day is not indicated at all08:23
willcookehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/155174408:24
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1551744 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Calendar: Clicking on today does nothing from the Month view" [Low,In progress]08:24
seb128that would be rather a bugfix than an UI change to make that work imho08:24
willcookeI agree it's a bug fix :)08:24
seb128did laney said he had concerned about that one?08:24
seb128ir was that just done after the landing?08:25
willcookeAh, well that one is tricky, because it also has a slightly hacky work around for Calendar having white corners08:25
willcookeTrevinho, lan3y  -  any better way of fixing the white corner issue? ^08:25
willcookeif not, then I think we should go for it08:25
seb128k08:26
willcookeThe Rhythmbox fix for the toggle buttons is a lot harder than I thought.  I have something working but it's not perfect, the background bleeds outside the borders08:27
hikikowillcooke, https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.black-dots-fix this fixes the black dots but Trevinho said we can't merge it because it causes other problems, maybe we could fix the other problems08:27
hikiko(it forces gtk to use 32 bit visuals => we have alpha => black/white dots are transparent dots)08:28
willcookeI think thats a different issue08:28
hikikoah sorry then08:28
willcookenw08:28
andyrockgood morning08:43
seb128hey andyrock! how are you?08:44
andyrockhey seb128 find and you?08:44
andyrockback from holidays?08:44
seb128I'm good thanks, and indeed back from holidays ;-)08:45
willcookehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-icon-theme/+bug/156399508:51
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1563995 in gnome-icon-theme (Ubuntu) "[MIR] gnome-icon-theme" [Undecided,Incomplete]08:51
willcookeseb128, is that on your list? ^08:52
willcookeActually,08:52
willcookeit would be easier if I collate a list08:52
seb128willcooke, yes, it is08:52
willcookethx08:52
seb128but thanks for the reminder ;-)08:52
willcookeseb128, I'm going through my email, so we'll probably hit the same list in the end08:53
willcookeI'll gather it all in one place08:53
seb128tag?08:53
seb128rls-x-incoming08:53
willcookehummm08:53
willcookeI think that tag might be polluted atm08:54
willcookeoh crap08:54
willcookeI forgot to Won't Fix those bugs08:54
Sweet5harkmoin08:57
seb128hey Sweet5hark!08:57
seb128how are you?08:58
seb128had a good w.e?08:58
Sweet5harkyes, somewhat boring -- but good nonetheless ;)08:58
seb128boring is good sometimes ;-)08:59
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Trevinhowillcooke: hey, so.. I didn't find any better solution for those corners09:21
willcookeTrevinho, thanks.  seb128_ - I think we're OK to merge that calendar css fix then.09:23
willcookealthough, I haven't fixed the manage lists bit yet09:24
Trevinhoseb128_, lan3y: hey, welcome back, had good times?09:24
willcookeI will try and get on to that this afternoon, and then we can do one merge09:24
seb128_trevinho, hey! yes, thanks ;-) what about you? not too much crazyness around? I saw you posted some nice photos on fb as well09:28
seb128_willcooke, k09:28
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Trevinhoseb128_: yeah, all right... These are not mine though (the Tuscany ones), just shared an album :-)09:29
TrevinhoI ordered a new laptop though....09:30
willcookeseb128, @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/155865909:30
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1558659 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "gnome-calendar "manage" list uses wrong selection color " [High,Confirmed]09:30
willcookeseb128, the issue being that the text on hover is white?09:30
seb128trevinho, ah ok ... which one?09:30
seb128willcooke, right09:30
willcookeseb128, thx09:30
seb128or that the bg color is wrong09:31
TrevinhoWent for the bulky t460p at the end.. I wanted the quad core and a good keyboard (this last thing excluded the cool xps15).09:31
seb128you don't like dell keyboards?09:31
* seb128 never got those keyboard issues09:31
TrevinhoNot sure if I'll be totally happy with it though, but I'll see how it goes09:31
seb128I guess I'm not that picky09:31
TrevinhoWell, I wanted the track point also, but more than that, not having to use the fn key for things such end or page keys09:32
seb128k09:33
seb128oh, nice, dell.fr has "Nouveau XPS 13 Ubuntu" in its main menu09:34
TrevinhoPlus that small enter key... Latitude E5470 was also something I was considering, but there was no quad core option sold here09:34
seb128the xps header has 12-13-15-13 ubuntu as categories09:34
seb128you don't even need to enter the section to filter by OS or anything09:34
TrevinhoYeah, I was considering of getting that as travel notebook in case... We'll see.09:34
TrevinhoIndeed a very nice machine09:35
Trevinhoseb128: you got that then?09:35
seb128not yet, they just added them while I was on vac09:35
seb128I'm back at being unsure if I want 1920x1080 or the 3200x1800 touch hidpi screen :p09:36
Trevinhoandyrock: have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1552537 what else do we need for debugging?09:40
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1552537 in unity (Ubuntu) "Lock screen bypassed by switching to console and then back to GUI" [Medium,Confirmed]09:40
Trevinhoseb128: touch and HiDPI if you don't plan to u use it docked I guess... :-\09:40
seb128trevinho, I'm going to use it docked most of the time I think, also the hidpi is less comfortable in my opinion (less things not adapted, included e.g firefox) and uses a bit more battery09:42
seb128but I might take that just because I want to make Ubuntu better/fix hidpi bugs09:42
TrevinhoThat could be the hard way, yeah.09:42
andyrockTrevinho: "I tried changing the lock screen to something that looks similar to the login greeter. At first it didn't work."09:43
andyrockwhat does that mean?09:43
TrevinhoNo idea..09:45
willcookebah.  Those pop-downs in Calendar aren't inspectable09:48
willcookeTrevinho, any clues on the missing menus btw?09:50
andyrockTrevinho: i can reproduce it with legacy g-s09:50
andyrocki suspect the problem is due to09:50
andyrockhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZxnSgvFA/09:51
andyrockand09:51
davmor2willcooke: if they aren't inspectable how the hell does the screenreader see it09:51
andyrockhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xhvkUzAM/09:51
andyrockso that explains also the comment09:52
willcookeah, wait, I win09:53
willcookeopen the drop down, then ctrl-shit-i09:53
* ogra_ tries to not make a laxative joke about willcooke's last line09:57
willcookeha!09:57
willcookeoops09:57
willcookein unrelated news, brb09:57
willcooke;D09:57
davmor2willcooke: not back to gedit10:04
willcookeseb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/ubuntu-themes-calendar-focus/+merge/29085910:13
willcookeHow can I tell if this:10:19
willcookehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1555237/comments/3110:19
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1555237 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Upgrade from 14.04.4→ 16.04 dies midway taking out the session." [Critical,Fix released]10:19
willcookemade it in to the daily build on 1st April?10:19
willcookedavmor2, you might know - does the daily iso now allow 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrades?  Just about to test it, so I'll know in about 30 mins, but if you already know....10:20
darkxstwillcooke, I think the fixes might have landed after april 1st spin10:24
willcookethanks darkxst10:24
willcookealso hi10:24
darkxsthey10:25
Sweet5harkseb128, willcooke: oh and btw welcome back to both of you: I hope you had some a nice time off.10:32
willcookehey Sweet5hark!10:33
davmor2willcooke: no idea, from what jibel said it might if you disable the lock screen but haven't got round to that yet10:39
davmor2willcooke: you know first day back after a week off feeling10:39
willcookedavmor2, I do indeed10:40
willcooke:)10:40
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Trevinhowillcooke: ah I didn't read the question about menus... Well, I'm still at "I can't reproduce state" :-\11:45
seb128Sweet5hark, hey, yes I had ;-)11:52
seb128Sweet5hark, how were thing around? I think I saw a new libreoffice mentioned in the chan backlog ... needs some sponsoring?11:53
seb128willcooke, if you have the iso you can dpkg -l or if it's still to download you can check the version in the manifest11:53
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lan3yhiya12:07
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Laneywhy do I have a stupid nickname12:07
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Guest76158aarhrhgh12:08
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Laneyright sorry coming back12:08
Laneyin a bit12:08
Sweet5harkseb128: week was really quiet.12:11
Sweet5harkseb128: no sponsoring needed. doko removed java 7, which made libreoffice autopkgtests unhappy. It needed a trivial one-line fix, which doko self-sponsored.12:12
Sweet5harkseb128: LibreOffice 5.1.2 will be finalized this week. Might be a worthwhile bugfix set to sponsor still before final freeze ..12:14
seb128Sweet5hark, yeah, we should do it12:17
seb128hey Laney, had a nice week off? and a good trip to the great London city? ;-)12:17
pittihey Laney, how are you?12:21
Laneyhey seb128 and pitti!13:04
Laneyback from lunch now13:05
seb128hey laney!13:05
Laneyholiday was good thanks, lots of slow travelling on the canal13:05
Laneyand operating locks13:05
seb128some sun? no rain?13:06
LaneyHAHA funny13:06
Laneyso much rain13:06
Laneyand hail13:06
seb128:-(13:06
Laneybut also some sun including one sunny day13:06
Laneynever mind!13:06
Laneyyou have to expect that if you holiday in the uk in march ;-)13:06
Laneyhow about you?13:06
seb128holidays were good, mostly sunny13:07
seb128some nice walks and enjoyed being outside13:07
seb128we had one rainy sunday and one day quite windy13:07
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Laneynot bad13:11
seb128how is London?13:11
seb128do you have any agenda for the hackfest?13:11
Laneythis wifi sucks13:12
Laneyit's alright, the office is close to london bridge13:13
Laneynot bad weather13:13
Laneynot much agenda, just working on stuff13:13
Laneywe know how to do custom featured apps now[C13:13
Laneyshould look at that13:14
seb128nice13:14
seb128Laney, getting the new appstream parser as well? ;-)13:15
Laneyfunny13:16
Laneyximion will show me it though :P13:16
seb128joke aside I think translators (and some others) are going to be pretty disappointed if we don't use the deb package descriptions and the ddtp translations :-/13:17
seb128which is something the new parser fix if I understood correctly13:17
Laneyyou don't13:18
Laneywell not for the first part13:18
Laneydon't know about the second one13:18
seb128we use the package descriptions with the current config?13:18
Laneyhttp://appstream.ubuntu.com/xenial/main/issues/xdiagnose.html13:19
seb128I don't understand how that works :-/13:20
seb128inskape description in g-s is "vector-based drawing program"13:20
seb128in s-c it's a 10 lines text description13:21
ximionseb128: the new generator has support for the translations and full package descriptions13:21
ximioncurrently though, we only load and use the english descriptions13:21
seb128why?13:22
ximionfor the old generator, this feature is broken because Python is buggy13:22
ximionseb128: me didn't have time to implement it ;-)13:22
seb128I see13:22
seb128can we easily workaround that python bug?13:22
ximion(also, it increases the time needed to load the data, if we also load all translations)13:22
seb128or get somebody pythonish to have a look at fixing the issue?13:22
ximiongood question, I haven't looked at that yet13:23
ximionit's basically the bz2 module in Python3 being unable to load the translation bz2 files properly13:23
seb128weird13:23
ximionwhich is definitely not a fault with the bz2 files themself13:23
seb128can you open a bug in launchpad maybe about it?13:23
ximionjup, I should do that13:24
seb128thanks13:24
ximionalso need to talk with Laney about the new generator ^^13:24
seb128:-)13:24
seb128not having proper descriptions (and translated ones) seems like an important user experience regressions compared to other tools13:25
ximionI plan to use the new generator in Debian ASAP, could maybe even happen this week (if not, then next week)13:25
ximionsome tests still need to be run though :)13:26
ximionfor Debian at least, it's much better than the previous code13:26
ximionfor Ubuntu, it doesn't do the language-pack stuff you need yet, that's an issue13:27
ximionoh, a different thing...13:27
ximionseb128: we were asking ourselves if there's still a chance to get PK upgraded in Xenial ^^13:27
ximionat time, I am seeing quite some crash reports in LP, about something which is definitely fixed upstream already13:28
seb128ximion, you should ask somebody from the release team like Laney, but I doubt it13:28
seb128ximion, yeah, langpack is a different issue from ddtp13:29
ximionprerequisite for upgrading PK would be dropping the pkcompat stuff from atbaptd package13:29
ximionso I guess that's won't happen this cycle13:29
seb128right, we went round on that13:30
seb128unity8 still uses clicks which uses the packagekit plugins interface that got removed13:31
seb128that's blocking the update13:31
ximionso it's still that thing...13:31
seb128indeed13:31
ximionat time, yoz have a buggy unmaintained PK and an unmaintained aptdaemon13:31
ximionwhich isn't too great13:32
seb128indeed not13:32
seb128but it's tested and mostly working13:32
seb128well at least aptdaemon13:32
seb128we don't use pk in practice atm13:32
ximionyou do use it's API in a lot of places via pk-glib213:34
seb128right13:34
seb128but that doesn't seem to have major issues in the current version13:34
seb128well, the situation is not ideal but it seems good enough13:35
seb128I hope we can update next cycle, but that click/plugin thing is going to still be an issue until somebody has time to figure out a different way to do things for click13:35
ximionseb128: mvo wrote a DBus service for that, I think13:39
seb128ximion, right, but he said it was more a proof of concept and nobody seems happy about adding a new service which has those privileges13:40
seb128well at least it would need somebody to pick it up and security team review13:40
pjdelportHi there.14:00
pjdelportI'm trying to use ubuntu-make on 16.10 to install PyCharm14:00
pjdelportHowever, it looks like it doesn't offer it as an option, because openjdk-7-jdk is not available in the system packages?14:00
pjdelportI installed openjdk-8-jdk, but it still doesn't offer PyCharm as an option.14:01
pjdelportErr, I meant 16.04 earlier, not 16.10 of course.14:01
pjdelportI used ubuntu-make to install and run PyCharm with OpenJDK 8 on 15.10, before this installation14:02
willcookedidrocks might know ^14:02
pjdelportHmm, this looks like https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/issues/279 ?14:02
seb128looks like it14:03
didrockspjdelport: yeah, it's that one. However, I'm surprised it doesn't instlal openjdk-8-jdk for some users automatically14:04
didrocksas IIRC, we have an alternative on this14:04
didrocksah, not on that one14:05
didrockspjdelport: LyzardKing is working on it, I hope to merge it tomorrow to master14:06
pjdelportI'm running ubuntu-make 16.03.2 from the PPA, by the way (I updated in case it was already fixed there)14:06
didrocksyeah, it's a little bit delayed as it broke over the week-end, sorry14:06
didrockspjdelport: subscribe to the bug, I'll then just do a quick release tomorrow with this14:07
pjdelportAwesome, thanks. :)14:07
didrocksI can send you a diff if you can git clone locally14:07
didrocksbut maybe you prefer to wait :)14:07
willcookeHave sucessfully upgraded a 14.04 machine to 16.04 (with screensaver disabled)14:18
willcookedavmor2, ^14:18
seb128bah, my cheese upload was rejected14:19
* seb128 uncommit changes to the vcs and add Laney's upload and rebase14:19
davmor2willcooke: WOT!!!!!!!!!14:20
davmor2jibel: ^14:20
willcookethanks to cyphermox and pitti's work14:21
cyphermoxthere's still lots to be done ;)14:21
seb128willcooke, what's the issue with screensaver?14:21
willcookecyphermox, it's a good start :)14:21
seb128hey cyphermox! how are you?14:22
cyphermoxseb128: screensaver was triggering a failure in compiz or lightdm or something; I expect that is fixed by the dbus upload.14:22
seb128k14:22
cyphermoxdoing good! you?14:22
seb128I'm good thanks14:22
willcooke^H^H^H^H that14:22
cyphermoxwill go even better when images transition from pending to current *every* day14:23
seb128right14:24
pjdelportdidrocks: I can probably wait until tomorrow. :) Will the release go to the PPA?14:26
seb128cyphermox, there is a screensaver fix attached in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/156517714:26
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1565177 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "screensaver is not disabled during release upgrade" [High,In progress]14:26
seb128well that's for Ubuntu GNOME it seems14:27
didrockspjdelport: yeah, it will just be .3 ;)14:28
seb128cyphermox, btw is nm 1.2 still a thing for xenial?14:28
cyphermoxseb128: only if someone has the time to fix up the FFE to make sure we're okay to land it -- I don't14:30
cyphermoxthe uploads are ready though, except for one bug in nm-applet icons14:30
seb128cyphermox, what needs to be fixed up in the ffe?14:30
cyphermoxwell making sure we do have a valid FFE14:30
cyphermoxand that all the relevant teams have been notified by now14:31
seb128didn't you have one filed?14:31
cyphermoxie. translators and doc team and all14:31
cyphermoxit was filed a long time ago already14:31
cyphermoxbut it also had not been approved yet14:31
seb128:-/14:32
* seb128 tries to ask awe14:33
cyphermoxthe bug is here: http://pad.lv/155242414:33
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1552424 in network-manager-vpnc (Ubuntu) "[FFE] NetworkManager 1.2-beta" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:33
seb128willcooke, is the snappy meeting now or is my calendar off by one hour thanks to dst?14:34
seb128hum, seems like kgunn just changed it14:34
willcookeseb128, just seen, kgunn has moved it back 1hr cos the snappy team are unavailable14:34
seb128"great"14:34
seb128well, 1h from now should still work for me I guess14:35
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mitya57seb128, hi, I would very much like to get my two indicator-* branches from bug 1502480 merged before Xenial. The fixes are very simple and copied from indicator-session, maybe you can top-approve it (or know someone else who can do it)?15:21
ubot5`bug 1502480 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Sound Settings and Time & Date Settings did not launch during gnome-flashback session" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150248015:21
seb128charles, ^ can you help to get those landed?15:22
mitya57I just need a top approve, after that I can land myself :P15:22
attentemvo: hi, do you know where the docs are for the ubuntu store api?15:25
mitya57Thanks seb128 :)15:31
seb128mitya57, done, it might be nicer to move the is_unity as a function though, other sources do that iirc15:31
seb128but up to you15:31
Laneyummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm15:31
Laneywhere did the software center get translated descriptions from?15:32
Laneythey sure aren't here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/universe/i18n/15:32
mitya57seb128, other sources use a function because they need it in several places, and here it's used only once…15:32
seb128mitya57, k, fair enough15:32
seb128Laney, I don't know either, mvo does I guess15:40
mvoLaney: uh, what happend there, I uploaded updated descriptions a couple of times to xenial :/15:41
mvoLaney: it should just use apt for the translationed descriptions15:41
seb128mvo, I think they are looking at making gnome-software load those, so trying to figure out where the s-c was getting the data from15:42
Laneyhey mvo!15:42
mvoLaney: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddtp-translations/20160323.1 - its uploaded, I wonder why its not there15:42
Laneythey are supposed to go into the archive?15:42
mvoLaney: anyway, I'm in a meeting, so lets talk in a little bit15:42
Laneyin dists/ I mean15:42
mvoLaney: yes, absolutely, its a feature of apt15:42
Laneynod15:42
mvoLaney: worth asking on #launchpad15:43
seb128laney, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/universe/i18n/ had those15:43
seb128so regression?15:43
mvoI think so15:44
Laneymaybe15:44
mvothen the translations can be loaded via the normal apt api15:44
mvotransparently15:44
Laneythinking about the dep11 extractor atm :)15:45
Laneybut also this would fix apt too15:46
superm1attente: i did take a look on a real system now that everything has landed and those concerns i had seem to be founded.  i've put a bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1565865 . if you can discuss at some point this week during hackfest with hughsie and others about the right way to go about this would be appreciated15:58
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1565865 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu patches make applying firmware updates not possible" [Undecided,New]15:58
attentesuperm1: thanks! i can ask him right now15:59
superm1great thanks16:01
willcookecyphermox or maybe charles, do you know if there is a way to "fake" a full wifi signal strength?  For the battery you can use MockBattery is there anything like that for wifi signal?16:58
cyphermoxno idea, sorry16:58
cyphermoxgo near a router?16:58
willcooke:)16:58
cyphermox:)16:58
willcookeIn Blue Fun it's pretty much impossible16:58
willcookemaybe "take your computer home and do it" is the right answer16:58
cyphermoxwell, you should have pretty high signal in Blue Fin anyway16:59
cyphermoxmodulo the obvious high interference due to the gazillion other networks in range, of course16:59
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willcookegimp to the rescue17:05
davmor2willcooke: turn one device into a hotspot and stick it next to the other17:25
willcookedavmor2, plan!17:25
* flocculant needs sleep - read hotspot as potplant 17:27
willcookehah!17:27
willcookepot plant.  aiiiight17:28
davmor2willcooke: man you so street17:29
willcookedavmor2, you win the prize. it worked17:29
davmor2willcooke: you needed a way to test something do you not think I've already been there :)17:30
willcooke:D17:32
ChrisTownsendHey All!  Is the official stance on the old Ubuntu Desktop Next still to download the regular Ubuntu ISO and install unity8-desktop-session-mir?20:20
willcookeChrisTownsend, yeah, no official desktop next image exists atm20:20
ChrisTownsendwillcooke: Ok, then I think I'm relegated to doing just that with unity8-lxc.20:21
ChrisTownsendwillcooke: Thanks for confirming20:21
willcookenw20:21
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willcookemorning robert_ancell21:03
robert_ancellwillcooke, hi21:03
mitya57charles, thanks for the review! Ok, I'll refactor the MPs tomorrow to move that into separate functions. You convinced me :P22:08
charlesmitya57, thanks :)22:09
furkanhas anybody else lost their window borders/shadows in a bunch of gnome applications (e.g., gedit, calculator, nautilus, terminal) after a recent update?22:34
furkani understand that 16.04 is in beta, but please tell me that developers actually bother to test their packages for a few minutes before pushing them out?22:35
furkani mean, for something as simple as this...22:35
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