=== thumper is now known as thumper-afk [05:01] Hi [05:06] Hey hikiko. [06:05] hikiko, TheMuso: Happy Monday morning/afternoon [06:11] Good morning [06:13] pitti: Morning === Drac0 is now known as Guest8364 [07:35] http://askubuntu.com/questions/43386/how-do-i-get-my-blacked-out-ttys-back <- i have the problem he describes on xenial :/ blacked out ttys from 1 to 6 [07:37] happy monday duflu pitti TheMuso etc :D [07:37] hey hikiko! [07:37] hi :) [07:59] morning all [08:01] good morning desktopers [08:01] hey seb128! How was your break? [08:01] hey willcooke lan3y [08:01] good! [08:02] enjoyed some nice weather and walks in the nature [08:02] how was it here? not too much madness? [08:02] seb128, some madness [08:02] :) [08:02] of course [08:02] Beta was fun [08:02] would be boring otherwise ;-) [08:02] But I think we've cracked it now. Still catching up on my emails from last week [08:03] Other than that, pretty good [08:03] had a good week off as well? [08:04] Yeah, it was really nice. Sunshine and doing things with the family. A nice break [08:04] and I'm off again on Friday for a long weekend :) [08:04] Then we go to SLC [08:05] then back [08:05] then Prague [08:05] then it's May [08:05] ??!?! [08:05] indeed [08:05] with 16.04 in between [08:05] oh yeah! [08:05] man, gonna need another holiday soon [08:05] bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ? [08:05] hey willcooke [08:05] morning pitti [08:05] salut pitti! ça va bien! et toi ? [08:06] seb128: ça va bien aussi, le week-end était magnifique -- le premier vrai week-end de printemps [08:06] chouette [08:07] on a fait beaucoup de jardinage, j'ai nettoyé les fenêtres, etc. [08:08] c'est bien de profiter du jardin ;-) [08:08] en effet ! [08:09] c'est un plaisir, beaucoup de maintenant [08:11] :-) [08:12] willcooke, is Laney back today? [08:13] seb128, he's at the GNOME Software hackfest [08:13] along with attenta [08:13] attente [08:13] oh, right, that's this week [08:13] Just about to hit send on the who-where-when email... [08:17] k [08:18] willcooke, do you have anything specific on your list we should focus on? I did mostly catch up on emails and I'm going to do some bug triage/iso testing/bugs fixing today but I'm a bit out of the loop on recent issues so let me know if you know of any we should work on now [08:19] seb128, sure. Just getting my list updated no [08:19] now [08:19] Most important off the top of my head [08:19] is that 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade issue [08:19] which I think is diagnosed now [08:20] and this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1532226 [08:20] Launchpad bug 1532226 in unity (Ubuntu) "A significant number of fresh boots or restarts result in no menus for most apps" [High,Confirmed] [08:20] which Trevinho is working on [08:20] Plus the swap on install issue [08:20] I saw that in my email backlog [08:21] I see that cyphermox did a udisk upload, that might fix those installer/partition issues [08:21] ah nice [08:21] he was working on it last week, so that sounds right [08:22] btw you didn't manage to land your themes fixes? I saw the changelog listing the linked buttons styling only [08:22] I though you had some for e.g the calendar current day focus one [08:22] or it looked like from emails [08:22] lan3y wasnt sure if we should land the others changes or not [08:22] it was late [08:23] I have fixed most of them, I'll send you some links and we can work it out [08:23] :-( [08:23] lan3y and I have different conservativeness balances :p [08:23] :) yeah [08:23] like currently the selected day is not indicated at all [08:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1551744 [08:24] Launchpad bug 1551744 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Calendar: Clicking on today does nothing from the Month view" [Low,In progress] [08:24] that would be rather a bugfix than an UI change to make that work imho [08:24] I agree it's a bug fix :) [08:24] did laney said he had concerned about that one? [08:25] ir was that just done after the landing? [08:25] Ah, well that one is tricky, because it also has a slightly hacky work around for Calendar having white corners [08:25] Trevinho, lan3y - any better way of fixing the white corner issue? ^ [08:25] if not, then I think we should go for it [08:26] k [08:27] The Rhythmbox fix for the toggle buttons is a lot harder than I thought. I have something working but it's not perfect, the background bleeds outside the borders [08:27] willcooke, https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.black-dots-fix this fixes the black dots but Trevinho said we can't merge it because it causes other problems, maybe we could fix the other problems [08:28] (it forces gtk to use 32 bit visuals => we have alpha => black/white dots are transparent dots) [08:28] I think thats a different issue [08:28] ah sorry then [08:28] nw [08:43] good morning [08:44] hey andyrock! how are you? [08:44] hey seb128 find and you? [08:44] back from holidays? [08:45] I'm good thanks, and indeed back from holidays ;-) [08:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-icon-theme/+bug/1563995 [08:51] Launchpad bug 1563995 in gnome-icon-theme (Ubuntu) "[MIR] gnome-icon-theme" [Undecided,Incomplete] [08:52] seb128, is that on your list? ^ [08:52] Actually, [08:52] it would be easier if I collate a list [08:52] willcooke, yes, it is [08:52] thx [08:52] but thanks for the reminder ;-) [08:53] seb128, I'm going through my email, so we'll probably hit the same list in the end [08:53] I'll gather it all in one place [08:53] tag? [08:53] rls-x-incoming [08:53] hummm [08:54] I think that tag might be polluted atm [08:54] oh crap [08:54] I forgot to Won't Fix those bugs [08:57] moin [08:57] hey Sweet5hark! [08:58] how are you? [08:58] had a good w.e? [08:58] yes, somewhat boring -- but good nonetheless ;) [08:59] boring is good sometimes ;-) === Drac0 is now known as Guest41786 [09:21] willcooke: hey, so.. I didn't find any better solution for those corners [09:23] Trevinho, thanks. seb128_ - I think we're OK to merge that calendar css fix then. [09:24] although, I haven't fixed the manage lists bit yet [09:24] seb128_, lan3y: hey, welcome back, had good times? [09:24] I will try and get on to that this afternoon, and then we can do one merge [09:28] trevinho, hey! yes, thanks ;-) what about you? not too much crazyness around? I saw you posted some nice photos on fb as well [09:28] willcooke, k === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [09:29] seb128_: yeah, all right... These are not mine though (the Tuscany ones), just shared an album :-) [09:30] I ordered a new laptop though.... [09:30] seb128, @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1558659 [09:30] Launchpad bug 1558659 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "gnome-calendar "manage" list uses wrong selection color " [High,Confirmed] [09:30] seb128, the issue being that the text on hover is white? [09:30] trevinho, ah ok ... which one? [09:30] willcooke, right [09:30] seb128, thx [09:31] or that the bg color is wrong [09:31] Went for the bulky t460p at the end.. I wanted the quad core and a good keyboard (this last thing excluded the cool xps15). [09:31] you don't like dell keyboards? [09:31] * seb128 never got those keyboard issues [09:31] Not sure if I'll be totally happy with it though, but I'll see how it goes [09:31] I guess I'm not that picky [09:32] Well, I wanted the track point also, but more than that, not having to use the fn key for things such end or page keys [09:33] k [09:34] oh, nice, dell.fr has "Nouveau XPS 13 Ubuntu" in its main menu [09:34] Plus that small enter key... Latitude E5470 was also something I was considering, but there was no quad core option sold here [09:34] the xps header has 12-13-15-13 ubuntu as categories [09:34] you don't even need to enter the section to filter by OS or anything [09:34] Yeah, I was considering of getting that as travel notebook in case... We'll see. [09:35] Indeed a very nice machine [09:35] seb128: you got that then? [09:35] not yet, they just added them while I was on vac [09:36] I'm back at being unsure if I want 1920x1080 or the 3200x1800 touch hidpi screen :p [09:40] andyrock: have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1552537 what else do we need for debugging? [09:40] Launchpad bug 1552537 in unity (Ubuntu) "Lock screen bypassed by switching to console and then back to GUI" [Medium,Confirmed] [09:40] seb128: touch and HiDPI if you don't plan to u use it docked I guess... :-\ [09:42] trevinho, I'm going to use it docked most of the time I think, also the hidpi is less comfortable in my opinion (less things not adapted, included e.g firefox) and uses a bit more battery [09:42] but I might take that just because I want to make Ubuntu better/fix hidpi bugs [09:42] That could be the hard way, yeah. [09:43] Trevinho: "I tried changing the lock screen to something that looks similar to the login greeter. At first it didn't work." [09:43] what does that mean? [09:45] No idea.. [09:48] bah. Those pop-downs in Calendar aren't inspectable [09:50] Trevinho, any clues on the missing menus btw? [09:50] Trevinho: i can reproduce it with legacy g-s [09:50] i suspect the problem is due to [09:51] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZxnSgvFA/ [09:51] and [09:51] willcooke: if they aren't inspectable how the hell does the screenreader see it [09:51] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xhvkUzAM/ [09:52] so that explains also the comment [09:53] ah, wait, I win [09:53] open the drop down, then ctrl-shit-i [09:57] * ogra_ tries to not make a laxative joke about willcooke's last line [09:57] ha! [09:57] oops [09:57] in unrelated news, brb [09:57] ;D [10:04] willcooke: not back to gedit [10:13] seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/ubuntu-themes-calendar-focus/+merge/290859 [10:19] How can I tell if this: [10:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1555237/comments/31 [10:19] Launchpad bug 1555237 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Upgrade from 14.04.4→ 16.04 dies midway taking out the session." [Critical,Fix released] [10:19] made it in to the daily build on 1st April? [10:20] davmor2, you might know - does the daily iso now allow 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrades? Just about to test it, so I'll know in about 30 mins, but if you already know.... [10:24] willcooke, I think the fixes might have landed after april 1st spin [10:24] thanks darkxst [10:24] also hi [10:25] hey [10:32] seb128, willcooke: oh and btw welcome back to both of you: I hope you had some a nice time off. [10:33] hey Sweet5hark! [10:39] willcooke: no idea, from what jibel said it might if you disable the lock screen but haven't got round to that yet [10:39] willcooke: you know first day back after a week off feeling [10:40] davmor2, I do indeed [10:40] :) === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [11:45] willcooke: ah I didn't read the question about menus... Well, I'm still at "I can't reproduce state" :-\ [11:52] Sweet5hark, hey, yes I had ;-) [11:53] Sweet5hark, how were thing around? I think I saw a new libreoffice mentioned in the chan backlog ... needs some sponsoring? [11:53] willcooke, if you have the iso you can dpkg -l or if it's still to download you can check the version in the manifest === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [12:07] hiya === lan3y is now known as Laney [12:07] why do I have a stupid nickname === Laney is now known as Guest76158 [12:08] aarhrhgh === Guest76158 is now known as Laney [12:08] right sorry coming back [12:08] in a bit [12:11] seb128: week was really quiet. [12:12] seb128: no sponsoring needed. doko removed java 7, which made libreoffice autopkgtests unhappy. It needed a trivial one-line fix, which doko self-sponsored. [12:14] seb128: LibreOffice 5.1.2 will be finalized this week. Might be a worthwhile bugfix set to sponsor still before final freeze .. [12:17] Sweet5hark, yeah, we should do it [12:17] hey Laney, had a nice week off? and a good trip to the great London city? ;-) [12:21] hey Laney, how are you? [13:04] hey seb128 and pitti! [13:05] back from lunch now [13:05] hey laney! [13:05] holiday was good thanks, lots of slow travelling on the canal [13:05] and operating locks [13:06] some sun? no rain? [13:06] HAHA funny [13:06] so much rain [13:06] and hail [13:06] :-( [13:06] but also some sun including one sunny day [13:06] never mind! [13:06] you have to expect that if you holiday in the uk in march ;-) [13:06] how about you? [13:07] holidays were good, mostly sunny [13:07] some nice walks and enjoyed being outside [13:07] we had one rainy sunday and one day quite windy === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:11] not bad [13:11] how is London? [13:11] do you have any agenda for the hackfest? [13:12] this wifi sucks [13:13] it's alright, the office is close to london bridge [13:13] not bad weather [13:13] not much agenda, just working on stuff [13:13] we know how to do custom featured apps now[C [13:14] should look at that [13:14] nice [13:15] Laney, getting the new appstream parser as well? ;-) [13:16] funny [13:16] ximion will show me it though :P [13:17] joke aside I think translators (and some others) are going to be pretty disappointed if we don't use the deb package descriptions and the ddtp translations :-/ [13:17] which is something the new parser fix if I understood correctly [13:18] you don't [13:18] well not for the first part [13:18] don't know about the second one [13:18] we use the package descriptions with the current config? [13:19] http://appstream.ubuntu.com/xenial/main/issues/xdiagnose.html [13:20] I don't understand how that works :-/ [13:20] inskape description in g-s is "vector-based drawing program" [13:21] in s-c it's a 10 lines text description [13:21] seb128: the new generator has support for the translations and full package descriptions [13:21] currently though, we only load and use the english descriptions [13:22] why? [13:22] for the old generator, this feature is broken because Python is buggy [13:22] seb128: me didn't have time to implement it ;-) [13:22] I see [13:22] can we easily workaround that python bug? [13:22] (also, it increases the time needed to load the data, if we also load all translations) [13:22] or get somebody pythonish to have a look at fixing the issue? [13:23] good question, I haven't looked at that yet [13:23] it's basically the bz2 module in Python3 being unable to load the translation bz2 files properly [13:23] weird [13:23] which is definitely not a fault with the bz2 files themself [13:23] can you open a bug in launchpad maybe about it? [13:24] jup, I should do that [13:24] thanks [13:24] also need to talk with Laney about the new generator ^^ [13:24] :-) [13:25] not having proper descriptions (and translated ones) seems like an important user experience regressions compared to other tools [13:25] I plan to use the new generator in Debian ASAP, could maybe even happen this week (if not, then next week) [13:26] some tests still need to be run though :) [13:26] for Debian at least, it's much better than the previous code [13:27] for Ubuntu, it doesn't do the language-pack stuff you need yet, that's an issue [13:27] oh, a different thing... [13:27] seb128: we were asking ourselves if there's still a chance to get PK upgraded in Xenial ^^ [13:28] at time, I am seeing quite some crash reports in LP, about something which is definitely fixed upstream already [13:28] ximion, you should ask somebody from the release team like Laney, but I doubt it [13:29] ximion, yeah, langpack is a different issue from ddtp [13:29] prerequisite for upgrading PK would be dropping the pkcompat stuff from atbaptd package [13:29] so I guess that's won't happen this cycle [13:30] right, we went round on that [13:31] unity8 still uses clicks which uses the packagekit plugins interface that got removed [13:31] that's blocking the update [13:31] so it's still that thing... [13:31] indeed [13:31] at time, yoz have a buggy unmaintained PK and an unmaintained aptdaemon [13:32] which isn't too great [13:32] indeed not [13:32] but it's tested and mostly working [13:32] well at least aptdaemon [13:32] we don't use pk in practice atm [13:34] you do use it's API in a lot of places via pk-glib2 [13:34] right [13:34] but that doesn't seem to have major issues in the current version [13:35] well, the situation is not ideal but it seems good enough [13:35] I hope we can update next cycle, but that click/plugin thing is going to still be an issue until somebody has time to figure out a different way to do things for click [13:39] seb128: mvo wrote a DBus service for that, I think [13:40] ximion, right, but he said it was more a proof of concept and nobody seems happy about adding a new service which has those privileges [13:40] well at least it would need somebody to pick it up and security team review [14:00] Hi there. [14:00] I'm trying to use ubuntu-make on 16.10 to install PyCharm [14:00] However, it looks like it doesn't offer it as an option, because openjdk-7-jdk is not available in the system packages? [14:01] I installed openjdk-8-jdk, but it still doesn't offer PyCharm as an option. [14:01] Err, I meant 16.04 earlier, not 16.10 of course. [14:02] I used ubuntu-make to install and run PyCharm with OpenJDK 8 on 15.10, before this installation [14:02] didrocks might know ^ [14:02] Hmm, this looks like https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/issues/279 ? [14:03] looks like it [14:04] pjdelport: yeah, it's that one. However, I'm surprised it doesn't instlal openjdk-8-jdk for some users automatically [14:04] as IIRC, we have an alternative on this [14:05] ah, not on that one [14:06] pjdelport: LyzardKing is working on it, I hope to merge it tomorrow to master [14:06] I'm running ubuntu-make 16.03.2 from the PPA, by the way (I updated in case it was already fixed there) [14:06] yeah, it's a little bit delayed as it broke over the week-end, sorry [14:07] pjdelport: subscribe to the bug, I'll then just do a quick release tomorrow with this [14:07] Awesome, thanks. :) [14:07] I can send you a diff if you can git clone locally [14:07] but maybe you prefer to wait :) [14:18] Have sucessfully upgraded a 14.04 machine to 16.04 (with screensaver disabled) [14:18] davmor2, ^ [14:19] bah, my cheese upload was rejected [14:19] * seb128 uncommit changes to the vcs and add Laney's upload and rebase [14:20] willcooke: WOT!!!!!!!!! [14:20] jibel: ^ [14:21] thanks to cyphermox and pitti's work [14:21] there's still lots to be done ;) [14:21] willcooke, what's the issue with screensaver? [14:21] cyphermox, it's a good start :) [14:22] hey cyphermox! how are you? [14:22] seb128: screensaver was triggering a failure in compiz or lightdm or something; I expect that is fixed by the dbus upload. [14:22] k [14:22] doing good! you? [14:22] I'm good thanks [14:22] ^H^H^H^H that [14:23] will go even better when images transition from pending to current *every* day [14:24] right [14:26] didrocks: I can probably wait until tomorrow. :) Will the release go to the PPA? [14:26] cyphermox, there is a screensaver fix attached in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1565177 [14:26] Launchpad bug 1565177 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "screensaver is not disabled during release upgrade" [High,In progress] [14:27] well that's for Ubuntu GNOME it seems [14:28] pjdelport: yeah, it will just be .3 ;) [14:28] cyphermox, btw is nm 1.2 still a thing for xenial? [14:30] seb128: only if someone has the time to fix up the FFE to make sure we're okay to land it -- I don't [14:30] the uploads are ready though, except for one bug in nm-applet icons [14:30] cyphermox, what needs to be fixed up in the ffe? [14:30] well making sure we do have a valid FFE [14:31] and that all the relevant teams have been notified by now [14:31] didn't you have one filed? [14:31] ie. translators and doc team and all [14:31] it was filed a long time ago already [14:31] but it also had not been approved yet [14:32] :-/ [14:33] * seb128 tries to ask awe [14:33] the bug is here: http://pad.lv/1552424 [14:33] Launchpad bug 1552424 in network-manager-vpnc (Ubuntu) "[FFE] NetworkManager 1.2-beta" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:34] willcooke, is the snappy meeting now or is my calendar off by one hour thanks to dst? [14:34] hum, seems like kgunn just changed it [14:34] seb128, just seen, kgunn has moved it back 1hr cos the snappy team are unavailable [14:34] "great" [14:35] well, 1h from now should still work for me I guess === Drac0 is now known as Guest12145 === francisco is now known as Guest9390 [15:21] seb128, hi, I would very much like to get my two indicator-* branches from bug 1502480 merged before Xenial. The fixes are very simple and copied from indicator-session, maybe you can top-approve it (or know someone else who can do it)? [15:21] bug 1502480 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Sound Settings and Time & Date Settings did not launch during gnome-flashback session" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502480 [15:22] charles, ^ can you help to get those landed? [15:22] I just need a top approve, after that I can land myself :P [15:25] mvo: hi, do you know where the docs are for the ubuntu store api? [15:31] Thanks seb128 :) [15:31] mitya57, done, it might be nicer to move the is_unity as a function though, other sources do that iirc [15:31] but up to you [15:31] ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [15:32] where did the software center get translated descriptions from? [15:32] they sure aren't here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/universe/i18n/ [15:32] seb128, other sources use a function because they need it in several places, and here it's used only once… [15:32] mitya57, k, fair enough [15:40] Laney, I don't know either, mvo does I guess [15:41] Laney: uh, what happend there, I uploaded updated descriptions a couple of times to xenial :/ [15:41] Laney: it should just use apt for the translationed descriptions [15:42] mvo, I think they are looking at making gnome-software load those, so trying to figure out where the s-c was getting the data from [15:42] hey mvo! [15:42] Laney: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddtp-translations/20160323.1 - its uploaded, I wonder why its not there [15:42] they are supposed to go into the archive? [15:42] Laney: anyway, I'm in a meeting, so lets talk in a little bit [15:42] in dists/ I mean [15:42] Laney: yes, absolutely, its a feature of apt [15:42] nod [15:43] Laney: worth asking on #launchpad [15:43] laney, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/universe/i18n/ had those [15:43] so regression? [15:44] I think so [15:44] maybe [15:44] then the translations can be loaded via the normal apt api [15:44] transparently [15:45] thinking about the dep11 extractor atm :) [15:46] but also this would fix apt too [15:58] attente: i did take a look on a real system now that everything has landed and those concerns i had seem to be founded. i've put a bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1565865 . if you can discuss at some point this week during hackfest with hughsie and others about the right way to go about this would be appreciated [15:58] Launchpad bug 1565865 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu patches make applying firmware updates not possible" [Undecided,New] [15:59] superm1: thanks! i can ask him right now [16:01] great thanks [16:58] cyphermox or maybe charles, do you know if there is a way to "fake" a full wifi signal strength? For the battery you can use MockBattery is there anything like that for wifi signal? [16:58] no idea, sorry [16:58] go near a router? [16:58] :) [16:58] :) [16:58] In Blue Fun it's pretty much impossible [16:58] maybe "take your computer home and do it" is the right answer [16:59]