[05:01] <hikiko> Hi
[05:06] <TheMuso> Hey hikiko.
[06:05] <duflu> hikiko, TheMuso: Happy Monday morning/afternoon
[06:11] <pitti> Good morning
[06:13] <duflu> pitti: Morning
[07:35] <hikiko> http://askubuntu.com/questions/43386/how-do-i-get-my-blacked-out-ttys-back <- i have the problem he describes on xenial :/ blacked out ttys from 1 to 6
[07:37] <hikiko> happy monday duflu pitti TheMuso etc :D
[07:37] <pitti> hey hikiko!
[07:37] <hikiko> hi :)
[07:59] <willcooke> morning all
[08:01] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:01] <willcooke> hey seb128!  How was your break?
[08:01] <seb128> hey willcooke lan3y
[08:01] <seb128> good!
[08:02] <seb128> enjoyed some nice weather and walks in the nature
[08:02] <seb128> how was it here? not too much madness?
[08:02] <willcooke> seb128, some madness
[08:02] <willcooke> :)
[08:02] <seb128> of course
[08:02] <willcooke> Beta was fun
[08:02] <seb128> would be boring otherwise ;-)
[08:02] <willcooke> But I think we've cracked it now.  Still catching up on my emails from last week
[08:03] <willcooke> Other than that, pretty good
[08:03] <seb128> had a good week off as well?
[08:04] <willcooke> Yeah, it was really nice.  Sunshine and doing things with the family.  A nice break
[08:04] <willcooke> and I'm off again on Friday for a long weekend :)
[08:04] <willcooke> Then we go to SLC
[08:05] <willcooke> then back
[08:05] <willcooke> then Prague
[08:05] <willcooke> then it's May
[08:05] <willcooke> ??!?!
[08:05] <seb128> indeed
[08:05] <seb128> with 16.04 in between
[08:05] <willcooke> oh yeah!
[08:05] <willcooke> man, gonna need another holiday soon
[08:05] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?
[08:05] <pitti> hey willcooke
[08:05] <willcooke> morning pitti
[08:05] <seb128> salut pitti! ça va bien! et toi ?
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien aussi, le week-end était magnifique -- le premier vrai week-end de printemps
[08:06] <seb128> chouette
[08:07] <pitti> on a fait beaucoup de jardinage, j'ai nettoyé les fenêtres, etc.
[08:08] <seb128> c'est bien de profiter du jardin ;-)
[08:08] <pitti> en effet !
[08:09] <pitti> c'est un plaisir, beaucoup de <tulips> maintenant
[08:11] <seb128> :-)
[08:12] <seb128> willcooke, is Laney back today?
[08:13] <willcooke> seb128, he's at the GNOME Software hackfest
[08:13] <willcooke> along with attenta
[08:13] <willcooke> attente
[08:13] <seb128> oh, right, that's this week
[08:13] <willcooke> Just about to hit send on the who-where-when email...
[08:17] <seb128> k
[08:18] <seb128> willcooke, do you have anything specific on your list we should focus on? I did mostly catch up on emails and I'm going to do some bug triage/iso testing/bugs fixing today but I'm a bit out of the loop on recent issues so let me know if you know of any we should work on now
[08:19] <willcooke> seb128, sure.  Just getting my list updated no
[08:19] <willcooke> now
[08:19] <willcooke> Most important off the top of my head
[08:19] <willcooke> is that 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade issue
[08:19] <willcooke> which I think is diagnosed now
[08:20] <willcooke> and this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1532226
[08:20] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1532226 in unity (Ubuntu) "A significant number of fresh boots or restarts result in no menus for most apps" [High,Confirmed]
[08:20] <willcooke> which Trevinho is working on
[08:20] <willcooke> Plus the swap on install issue
[08:20] <seb128> I saw that in my email backlog
[08:21] <seb128> I see that cyphermox did a udisk upload, that might fix those installer/partition issues
[08:21] <willcooke> ah nice
[08:21] <willcooke> he was working on it last week, so that sounds right
[08:22] <seb128> btw you didn't manage to land your themes fixes? I saw the changelog listing the linked buttons styling only
[08:22] <seb128> I though you had some for e.g the calendar current day focus one
[08:22] <seb128> or it looked like from emails
[08:22] <willcooke> lan3y wasnt sure if we should land the others changes or not
[08:22] <willcooke> it was late
[08:23] <willcooke> I have fixed most of them, I'll send you some links and we can work it out
[08:23] <seb128> :-(
[08:23] <seb128> lan3y and I have different conservativeness balances :p
[08:23] <willcooke> :) yeah
[08:23] <seb128> like currently the selected day is not indicated at all
[08:24] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1551744
[08:24] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1551744 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Calendar: Clicking on today does nothing from the Month view" [Low,In progress]
[08:24] <seb128> that would be rather a bugfix than an UI change to make that work imho
[08:24] <willcooke> I agree it's a bug fix :)
[08:24] <seb128> did laney said he had concerned about that one?
[08:25] <seb128> ir was that just done after the landing?
[08:25] <willcooke> Ah, well that one is tricky, because it also has a slightly hacky work around for Calendar having white corners
[08:25] <willcooke> Trevinho, lan3y  -  any better way of fixing the white corner issue? ^
[08:25] <willcooke> if not, then I think we should go for it
[08:26] <seb128> k
[08:27] <willcooke> The Rhythmbox fix for the toggle buttons is a lot harder than I thought.  I have something working but it's not perfect, the background bleeds outside the borders
[08:27] <hikiko> willcooke, https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.black-dots-fix this fixes the black dots but Trevinho said we can't merge it because it causes other problems, maybe we could fix the other problems
[08:28] <hikiko> (it forces gtk to use 32 bit visuals => we have alpha => black/white dots are transparent dots)
[08:28] <willcooke> I think thats a different issue
[08:28] <hikiko> ah sorry then
[08:28] <willcooke> nw
[08:43] <andyrock> good morning
[08:44] <seb128> hey andyrock! how are you?
[08:44] <andyrock> hey seb128 find and you?
[08:44] <andyrock> back from holidays?
[08:45] <seb128> I'm good thanks, and indeed back from holidays ;-)
[08:51] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-icon-theme/+bug/1563995
[08:51] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1563995 in gnome-icon-theme (Ubuntu) "[MIR] gnome-icon-theme" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[08:52] <willcooke> seb128, is that on your list? ^
[08:52] <willcooke> Actually,
[08:52] <willcooke> it would be easier if I collate a list
[08:52] <seb128> willcooke, yes, it is
[08:52] <willcooke> thx
[08:52] <seb128> but thanks for the reminder ;-)
[08:53] <willcooke> seb128, I'm going through my email, so we'll probably hit the same list in the end
[08:53] <willcooke> I'll gather it all in one place
[08:53] <seb128> tag?
[08:53] <seb128> rls-x-incoming
[08:53] <willcooke> hummm
[08:54] <willcooke> I think that tag might be polluted atm
[08:54] <willcooke> oh crap
[08:54] <willcooke> I forgot to Won't Fix those bugs
[08:57] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:57] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark!
[08:58] <seb128> how are you?
[08:58] <seb128> had a good w.e?
[08:58] <Sweet5hark> yes, somewhat boring -- but good nonetheless ;)
[08:59] <seb128> boring is good sometimes ;-)
[09:21] <Trevinho> willcooke: hey, so.. I didn't find any better solution for those corners
[09:23] <willcooke> Trevinho, thanks.  seb128_ - I think we're OK to merge that calendar css fix then.
[09:24] <willcooke> although, I haven't fixed the manage lists bit yet
[09:24] <Trevinho> seb128_, lan3y: hey, welcome back, had good times?
[09:24] <willcooke> I will try and get on to that this afternoon, and then we can do one merge
[09:28] <seb128_> trevinho, hey! yes, thanks ;-) what about you? not too much crazyness around? I saw you posted some nice photos on fb as well
[09:28] <seb128_> willcooke, k
[09:29] <Trevinho> seb128_: yeah, all right... These are not mine though (the Tuscany ones), just shared an album :-)
[09:30] <Trevinho> I ordered a new laptop though....
[09:30] <willcooke> seb128, @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1558659
[09:30] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1558659 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "gnome-calendar "manage" list uses wrong selection color " [High,Confirmed]
[09:30] <willcooke> seb128, the issue being that the text on hover is white?
[09:30] <seb128> trevinho, ah ok ... which one?
[09:30] <seb128> willcooke, right
[09:30] <willcooke> seb128, thx
[09:31] <seb128> or that the bg color is wrong
[09:31] <Trevinho> Went for the bulky t460p at the end.. I wanted the quad core and a good keyboard (this last thing excluded the cool xps15).
[09:31] <seb128> you don't like dell keyboards?
[09:31]  * seb128 never got those keyboard issues
[09:31] <Trevinho> Not sure if I'll be totally happy with it though, but I'll see how it goes
[09:31] <seb128> I guess I'm not that picky
[09:32] <Trevinho> Well, I wanted the track point also, but more than that, not having to use the fn key for things such end or page keys
[09:33] <seb128> k
[09:34] <seb128> oh, nice, dell.fr has "Nouveau XPS 13 Ubuntu" in its main menu
[09:34] <Trevinho> Plus that small enter key... Latitude E5470 was also something I was considering, but there was no quad core option sold here
[09:34] <seb128> the xps header has 12-13-15-13 ubuntu as categories
[09:34] <seb128> you don't even need to enter the section to filter by OS or anything
[09:34] <Trevinho> Yeah, I was considering of getting that as travel notebook in case... We'll see.
[09:35] <Trevinho> Indeed a very nice machine
[09:35] <Trevinho> seb128: you got that then?
[09:35] <seb128> not yet, they just added them while I was on vac
[09:36] <seb128> I'm back at being unsure if I want 1920x1080 or the 3200x1800 touch hidpi screen :p
[09:40] <Trevinho> andyrock: have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1552537 what else do we need for debugging?
[09:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1552537 in unity (Ubuntu) "Lock screen bypassed by switching to console and then back to GUI" [Medium,Confirmed]
[09:40] <Trevinho> seb128: touch and HiDPI if you don't plan to u use it docked I guess... :-\
[09:42] <seb128> trevinho, I'm going to use it docked most of the time I think, also the hidpi is less comfortable in my opinion (less things not adapted, included e.g firefox) and uses a bit more battery
[09:42] <seb128> but I might take that just because I want to make Ubuntu better/fix hidpi bugs
[09:42] <Trevinho> That could be the hard way, yeah.
[09:43] <andyrock> Trevinho: "I tried changing the lock screen to something that looks similar to the login greeter. At first it didn't work."
[09:43] <andyrock> what does that mean?
[09:45] <Trevinho> No idea..
[09:48] <willcooke> bah.  Those pop-downs in Calendar aren't inspectable
[09:50] <willcooke> Trevinho, any clues on the missing menus btw?
[09:50] <andyrock> Trevinho: i can reproduce it with legacy g-s
[09:50] <andyrock> i suspect the problem is due to
[09:51] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZxnSgvFA/
[09:51] <andyrock> and
[09:51] <davmor2> willcooke: if they aren't inspectable how the hell does the screenreader see it
[09:51] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xhvkUzAM/
[09:52] <andyrock> so that explains also the comment
[09:53] <willcooke> ah, wait, I win
[09:53] <willcooke> open the drop down, then ctrl-shit-i
[09:57]  * ogra_ tries to not make a laxative joke about willcooke's last line
[09:57] <willcooke> ha!
[09:57] <willcooke> oops
[09:57] <willcooke> in unrelated news, brb
[09:57] <willcooke> ;D
[10:04] <davmor2> willcooke: not back to gedit
[10:13] <willcooke> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/ubuntu-themes-calendar-focus/+merge/290859
[10:19] <willcooke> How can I tell if this:
[10:19] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1555237/comments/31
[10:19] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1555237 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Upgrade from 14.04.4→ 16.04 dies midway taking out the session." [Critical,Fix released]
[10:19] <willcooke> made it in to the daily build on 1st April?
[10:20] <willcooke> davmor2, you might know - does the daily iso now allow 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrades?  Just about to test it, so I'll know in about 30 mins, but if you already know....
[10:24] <darkxst> willcooke, I think the fixes might have landed after april 1st spin
[10:24] <willcooke> thanks darkxst
[10:24] <willcooke> also hi
[10:25] <darkxst> hey
[10:32] <Sweet5hark> seb128, willcooke: oh and btw welcome back to both of you: I hope you had some a nice time off.
[10:33] <willcooke> hey Sweet5hark!
[10:39] <davmor2> willcooke: no idea, from what jibel said it might if you disable the lock screen but haven't got round to that yet
[10:39] <davmor2> willcooke: you know first day back after a week off feeling
[10:40] <willcooke> davmor2, I do indeed
[10:40] <willcooke> :)
[11:45] <Trevinho> willcooke: ah I didn't read the question about menus... Well, I'm still at "I can't reproduce state" :-\
[11:52] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, yes I had ;-)
[11:53] <seb128> Sweet5hark, how were thing around? I think I saw a new libreoffice mentioned in the chan backlog ... needs some sponsoring?
[11:53] <seb128> willcooke, if you have the iso you can dpkg -l or if it's still to download you can check the version in the manifest
[12:07] <lan3y> hiya
[12:07] <Laney> why do I have a stupid nickname
[12:08] <Guest76158> aarhrhgh
[12:08] <Laney> right sorry coming back
[12:08] <Laney> in a bit
[12:11] <Sweet5hark> seb128: week was really quiet.
[12:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: no sponsoring needed. doko removed java 7, which made libreoffice autopkgtests unhappy. It needed a trivial one-line fix, which doko self-sponsored.
[12:14] <Sweet5hark> seb128: LibreOffice 5.1.2 will be finalized this week. Might be a worthwhile bugfix set to sponsor still before final freeze ..
[12:17] <seb128> Sweet5hark, yeah, we should do it
[12:17] <seb128> hey Laney, had a nice week off? and a good trip to the great London city? ;-)
[12:21] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[13:04] <Laney> hey seb128 and pitti!
[13:05] <Laney> back from lunch now
[13:05] <seb128> hey laney!
[13:05] <Laney> holiday was good thanks, lots of slow travelling on the canal
[13:05] <Laney> and operating locks
[13:06] <seb128> some sun? no rain?
[13:06] <Laney> HAHA funny
[13:06] <Laney> so much rain
[13:06] <Laney> and hail
[13:06] <seb128> :-(
[13:06] <Laney> but also some sun including one sunny day
[13:06] <Laney> never mind!
[13:06] <Laney> you have to expect that if you holiday in the uk in march ;-)
[13:06] <Laney> how about you?
[13:07] <seb128> holidays were good, mostly sunny
[13:07] <seb128> some nice walks and enjoyed being outside
[13:07] <seb128> we had one rainy sunday and one day quite windy
[13:11] <Laney> not bad
[13:11] <seb128> how is London?
[13:11] <seb128> do you have any agenda for the hackfest?
[13:12] <Laney> this wifi sucks
[13:13] <Laney> it's alright, the office is close to london bridge
[13:13] <Laney> not bad weather
[13:13] <Laney> not much agenda, just working on stuff
[13:13] <Laney> we know how to do custom featured apps now[C
[13:14] <Laney> should look at that
[13:14] <seb128> nice
[13:15] <seb128> Laney, getting the new appstream parser as well? ;-)
[13:16] <Laney> funny
[13:16] <Laney> ximion will show me it though :P
[13:17] <seb128> joke aside I think translators (and some others) are going to be pretty disappointed if we don't use the deb package descriptions and the ddtp translations :-/
[13:17] <seb128> which is something the new parser fix if I understood correctly
[13:18] <Laney> you don't
[13:18] <Laney> well not for the first part
[13:18] <Laney> don't know about the second one
[13:18] <seb128> we use the package descriptions with the current config?
[13:19] <Laney> http://appstream.ubuntu.com/xenial/main/issues/xdiagnose.html
[13:20] <seb128> I don't understand how that works :-/
[13:20] <seb128> inskape description in g-s is "vector-based drawing program"
[13:21] <seb128> in s-c it's a 10 lines text description
[13:21] <ximion> seb128: the new generator has support for the translations and full package descriptions
[13:21] <ximion> currently though, we only load and use the english descriptions
[13:22] <seb128> why?
[13:22] <ximion> for the old generator, this feature is broken because Python is buggy
[13:22] <ximion> seb128: me didn't have time to implement it ;-)
[13:22] <seb128> I see
[13:22] <seb128> can we easily workaround that python bug?
[13:22] <ximion> (also, it increases the time needed to load the data, if we also load all translations)
[13:22] <seb128> or get somebody pythonish to have a look at fixing the issue?
[13:23] <ximion> good question, I haven't looked at that yet
[13:23] <ximion> it's basically the bz2 module in Python3 being unable to load the translation bz2 files properly
[13:23] <seb128> weird
[13:23] <ximion> which is definitely not a fault with the bz2 files themself
[13:23] <seb128> can you open a bug in launchpad maybe about it?
[13:24] <ximion> jup, I should do that
[13:24] <seb128> thanks
[13:24] <ximion> also need to talk with Laney about the new generator ^^
[13:24] <seb128> :-)
[13:25] <seb128> not having proper descriptions (and translated ones) seems like an important user experience regressions compared to other tools
[13:25] <ximion> I plan to use the new generator in Debian ASAP, could maybe even happen this week (if not, then next week)
[13:26] <ximion> some tests still need to be run though :)
[13:26] <ximion> for Debian at least, it's much better than the previous code
[13:27] <ximion> for Ubuntu, it doesn't do the language-pack stuff you need yet, that's an issue
[13:27] <ximion> oh, a different thing...
[13:27] <ximion> seb128: we were asking ourselves if there's still a chance to get PK upgraded in Xenial ^^
[13:28] <ximion> at time, I am seeing quite some crash reports in LP, about something which is definitely fixed upstream already
[13:28] <seb128> ximion, you should ask somebody from the release team like Laney, but I doubt it
[13:29] <seb128> ximion, yeah, langpack is a different issue from ddtp
[13:29] <ximion> prerequisite for upgrading PK would be dropping the pkcompat stuff from atbaptd package
[13:29] <ximion> so I guess that's won't happen this cycle
[13:30] <seb128> right, we went round on that
[13:31] <seb128> unity8 still uses clicks which uses the packagekit plugins interface that got removed
[13:31] <seb128> that's blocking the update
[13:31] <ximion> so it's still that thing...
[13:31] <seb128> indeed
[13:31] <ximion> at time, yoz have a buggy unmaintained PK and an unmaintained aptdaemon
[13:32] <ximion> which isn't too great
[13:32] <seb128> indeed not
[13:32] <seb128> but it's tested and mostly working
[13:32] <seb128> well at least aptdaemon
[13:32] <seb128> we don't use pk in practice atm
[13:34] <ximion> you do use it's API in a lot of places via pk-glib2
[13:34] <seb128> right
[13:34] <seb128> but that doesn't seem to have major issues in the current version
[13:35] <seb128> well, the situation is not ideal but it seems good enough
[13:35] <seb128> I hope we can update next cycle, but that click/plugin thing is going to still be an issue until somebody has time to figure out a different way to do things for click
[13:39] <ximion> seb128: mvo wrote a DBus service for that, I think
[13:40] <seb128> ximion, right, but he said it was more a proof of concept and nobody seems happy about adding a new service which has those privileges
[13:40] <seb128> well at least it would need somebody to pick it up and security team review
[14:00] <pjdelport> Hi there.
[14:00] <pjdelport> I'm trying to use ubuntu-make on 16.10 to install PyCharm
[14:00] <pjdelport> However, it looks like it doesn't offer it as an option, because openjdk-7-jdk is not available in the system packages?
[14:01] <pjdelport> I installed openjdk-8-jdk, but it still doesn't offer PyCharm as an option.
[14:01] <pjdelport> Err, I meant 16.04 earlier, not 16.10 of course.
[14:02] <pjdelport> I used ubuntu-make to install and run PyCharm with OpenJDK 8 on 15.10, before this installation
[14:02] <willcooke> didrocks might know ^
[14:02] <pjdelport> Hmm, this looks like https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/issues/279 ?
[14:03] <seb128> looks like it
[14:04] <didrocks> pjdelport: yeah, it's that one. However, I'm surprised it doesn't instlal openjdk-8-jdk for some users automatically
[14:04] <didrocks> as IIRC, we have an alternative on this
[14:05] <didrocks> ah, not on that one
[14:06] <didrocks> pjdelport: LyzardKing is working on it, I hope to merge it tomorrow to master
[14:06] <pjdelport> I'm running ubuntu-make 16.03.2 from the PPA, by the way (I updated in case it was already fixed there)
[14:06] <didrocks> yeah, it's a little bit delayed as it broke over the week-end, sorry
[14:07] <didrocks> pjdelport: subscribe to the bug, I'll then just do a quick release tomorrow with this
[14:07] <pjdelport> Awesome, thanks. :)
[14:07] <didrocks> I can send you a diff if you can git clone locally
[14:07] <didrocks> but maybe you prefer to wait :)
[14:18] <willcooke> Have sucessfully upgraded a 14.04 machine to 16.04 (with screensaver disabled)
[14:18] <willcooke> davmor2, ^
[14:19] <seb128> bah, my cheese upload was rejected
[14:19]  * seb128 uncommit changes to the vcs and add Laney's upload and rebase
[14:20] <davmor2> willcooke: WOT!!!!!!!!!
[14:20] <davmor2> jibel: ^
[14:21] <willcooke> thanks to cyphermox and pitti's work
[14:21] <cyphermox> there's still lots to be done ;)
[14:21] <seb128> willcooke, what's the issue with screensaver?
[14:21] <willcooke> cyphermox, it's a good start :)
[14:22] <seb128> hey cyphermox! how are you?
[14:22] <cyphermox> seb128: screensaver was triggering a failure in compiz or lightdm or something; I expect that is fixed by the dbus upload.
[14:22] <seb128> k
[14:22] <cyphermox> doing good! you?
[14:22] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[14:22] <willcooke> ^H^H^H^H that
[14:23] <cyphermox> will go even better when images transition from pending to current *every* day
[14:24] <seb128> right
[14:26] <pjdelport> didrocks: I can probably wait until tomorrow. :) Will the release go to the PPA?
[14:26] <seb128> cyphermox, there is a screensaver fix attached in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1565177
[14:26] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1565177 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "screensaver is not disabled during release upgrade" [High,In progress]
[14:27] <seb128> well that's for Ubuntu GNOME it seems
[14:28] <didrocks> pjdelport: yeah, it will just be .3 ;)
[14:28] <seb128> cyphermox, btw is nm 1.2 still a thing for xenial?
[14:30] <cyphermox> seb128: only if someone has the time to fix up the FFE to make sure we're okay to land it -- I don't
[14:30] <cyphermox> the uploads are ready though, except for one bug in nm-applet icons
[14:30] <seb128> cyphermox, what needs to be fixed up in the ffe?
[14:30] <cyphermox> well making sure we do have a valid FFE
[14:31] <cyphermox> and that all the relevant teams have been notified by now
[14:31] <seb128> didn't you have one filed?
[14:31] <cyphermox> ie. translators and doc team and all
[14:31] <cyphermox> it was filed a long time ago already
[14:31] <cyphermox> but it also had not been approved yet
[14:32] <seb128> :-/
[14:33]  * seb128 tries to ask awe
[14:33] <cyphermox> the bug is here: http://pad.lv/1552424
[14:33] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1552424 in network-manager-vpnc (Ubuntu) "[FFE] NetworkManager 1.2-beta" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:34] <seb128> willcooke, is the snappy meeting now or is my calendar off by one hour thanks to dst?
[14:34] <seb128> hum, seems like kgunn just changed it
[14:34] <willcooke> seb128, just seen, kgunn has moved it back 1hr cos the snappy team are unavailable
[14:34] <seb128> "great"
[14:35] <seb128> well, 1h from now should still work for me I guess
[15:21] <mitya57> seb128, hi, I would very much like to get my two indicator-* branches from bug 1502480 merged before Xenial. The fixes are very simple and copied from indicator-session, maybe you can top-approve it (or know someone else who can do it)?
[15:21] <ubot5`> bug 1502480 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Sound Settings and Time & Date Settings did not launch during gnome-flashback session" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502480
[15:22] <seb128> charles, ^ can you help to get those landed?
[15:22] <mitya57> I just need a top approve, after that I can land myself :P
[15:25] <attente> mvo: hi, do you know where the docs are for the ubuntu store api?
[15:31] <mitya57> Thanks seb128 :)
[15:31] <seb128> mitya57, done, it might be nicer to move the is_unity as a function though, other sources do that iirc
[15:31] <seb128> but up to you
[15:31] <Laney> ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[15:32] <Laney> where did the software center get translated descriptions from?
[15:32] <Laney> they sure aren't here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/universe/i18n/
[15:32] <mitya57> seb128, other sources use a function because they need it in several places, and here it's used only once…
[15:32] <seb128> mitya57, k, fair enough
[15:40] <seb128> Laney, I don't know either, mvo does I guess
[15:41] <mvo> Laney: uh, what happend there, I uploaded updated descriptions a couple of times to xenial :/
[15:41] <mvo> Laney: it should just use apt for the translationed descriptions
[15:42] <seb128> mvo, I think they are looking at making gnome-software load those, so trying to figure out where the s-c was getting the data from
[15:42] <Laney> hey mvo!
[15:42] <mvo> Laney: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddtp-translations/20160323.1 - its uploaded, I wonder why its not there
[15:42] <Laney> they are supposed to go into the archive?
[15:42] <mvo> Laney: anyway, I'm in a meeting, so lets talk in a little bit
[15:42] <Laney> in dists/ I mean
[15:42] <mvo> Laney: yes, absolutely, its a feature of apt
[15:42] <Laney> nod
[15:43] <mvo> Laney: worth asking on #launchpad
[15:43] <seb128> laney, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/universe/i18n/ had those
[15:43] <seb128> so regression?
[15:44] <mvo> I think so
[15:44] <Laney> maybe
[15:44] <mvo> then the translations can be loaded via the normal apt api
[15:44] <mvo> transparently
[15:45] <Laney> thinking about the dep11 extractor atm :)
[15:46] <Laney> but also this would fix apt too
[15:58] <superm1> attente: i did take a look on a real system now that everything has landed and those concerns i had seem to be founded.  i've put a bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1565865 . if you can discuss at some point this week during hackfest with hughsie and others about the right way to go about this would be appreciated
[15:58] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1565865 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu patches make applying firmware updates not possible" [Undecided,New]
[15:59] <attente> superm1: thanks! i can ask him right now
[16:01] <superm1> great thanks
[16:58] <willcooke> cyphermox or maybe charles, do you know if there is a way to "fake" a full wifi signal strength?  For the battery you can use MockBattery is there anything like that for wifi signal?
[16:58] <cyphermox> no idea, sorry
[16:58] <cyphermox> go near a router?
[16:58] <willcooke> :)
[16:58] <cyphermox> :)
[16:58] <willcooke> In Blue Fun it's pretty much impossible
[16:58] <willcooke> maybe "take your computer home and do it" is the right answer
[16:59] <cyphermox> well, you should have pretty high signal in Blue Fin anyway
[16:59] <cyphermox> modulo the obvious high interference due to the gazillion other networks in range, of course
[17:05] <willcooke> gimp to the rescue
[17:25] <davmor2> willcooke: turn one device into a hotspot and stick it next to the other
[17:25] <willcooke> davmor2, plan!
[17:27]  * flocculant needs sleep - read hotspot as potplant 
[17:27] <willcooke> hah!
[17:28] <willcooke> pot plant.  aiiiight
[17:29] <davmor2> willcooke: man you so street
[17:29] <willcooke> davmor2, you win the prize. it worked
[17:30] <davmor2> willcooke: you needed a way to test something do you not think I've already been there :)
[17:32] <willcooke> :D
[20:20] <ChrisTownsend> Hey All!  Is the official stance on the old Ubuntu Desktop Next still to download the regular Ubuntu ISO and install unity8-desktop-session-mir?
[20:20] <willcooke> ChrisTownsend, yeah, no official desktop next image exists atm
[20:21] <ChrisTownsend> willcooke: Ok, then I think I'm relegated to doing just that with unity8-lxc.
[20:21] <ChrisTownsend> willcooke: Thanks for confirming
[20:21] <willcooke> nw
[21:03] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[21:03] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[22:08] <mitya57> charles, thanks for the review! Ok, I'll refactor the MPs tomorrow to move that into separate functions. You convinced me :P
[22:09] <charles> mitya57, thanks :)
[22:34] <furkan> has anybody else lost their window borders/shadows in a bunch of gnome applications (e.g., gedit, calculator, nautilus, terminal) after a recent update?
[22:35] <furkan> i understand that 16.04 is in beta, but please tell me that developers actually bother to test their packages for a few minutes before pushing them out?
[22:35] <furkan> i mean, for something as simple as this...