| knome | bluesabre, is its depends something we can realistically get in xenial though? | 08:04 |
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| bluesabre | knome: I don't know... if I had a solution, I would have made it happen ;) | 10:50 |
| knome | i guess so | 10:50 |
| flocculant | it's been a bit of an issue for a while now I suppose | 11:05 |
| knome | yep | 11:05 |
| knome | i'm seeing it myself as well | 11:05 |
| knome | and it's annoying | 11:05 |
| knome | not as annoying as the mousepad crashes | 11:05 |
| knome | because those mean loss of work sometimes | 11:05 |
| flocculant | I guess I've been lucky - not really seeing these issues | 11:05 |
| flocculant | yea - not good | 11:05 |
| knome | in the case of thunar, you just have to open again | 11:06 |
| flocculant | maybe so - I only actually saaw a thunar issue when I renamed something a *lot* of times - which isn't really something that anyone would likely do in the real world - one or two typo's when renaming possibly - but it must have been getting on for 30 till I saw it | 11:07 |
| knome | actually, that's a false assumption; i rename many files often | 11:07 |
| knome | at least many enough to get that crash | 11:08 |
| flocculant | my biggest headache has been the usb3 remounting thing - but that's not actually thunar as all managers are affected by it | 11:08 |
| knome | i don't know if it's related (could be) but sometimes the rendering after renaming isn't correct | 11:08 |
| knome | eg. some file names appear twice | 11:08 |
| flocculant | knome: mmm | 11:08 |
| flocculant | definitely not something I've seen | 11:08 |
| knome | in some cases a filename that should exist (most prominently, the name that you just renamed to) doesn't exist | 11:08 |
| knome | but then it gets rendered correctly when you select all | 11:09 |
| flocculant | mmm | 11:09 |
| knome | or scroll through the files by arrow keys | 11:09 |
| knome | or refresh the directory (obviously) | 11:09 |
| flocculant | not sure I've seen that reported at either LP or bugzilla | 11:09 |
| flocculant | yea | 11:09 |
| knome | i know, i should report it, but i'd like to figure out when it happens - because it doesn't every time | 11:09 |
| flocculant | but I didn't spend ages looking yesterday at them | 11:10 |
| flocculant | and the bug report titles from apport don't make life very easy either - 'some crash in some thing that isn't particularly human readable' | 11:11 |
| knome | at least one thing that happens relatively often is that when you rename, the wront file is selected | 11:11 |
| knome | *wrong | 11:11 |
| knome | if i have time after lunch, i'll try to make a bug report out of it - or maybe a screencast | 11:12 |
| flocculant | screencast might be helpful - unless the report is specific - which I'd expect it to be | 11:12 |
| flocculant | I'm happy enough to at least try and confirm things | 11:13 |
| flocculant | the other thing being - thunar might be fine - it's just showing us the issue - eg the usb3 thing in my case | 11:13 |
| flocculant | I did see a few 'glib previous version were' fine comments yesterday | 11:14 |
| flocculant | but it doesn't mean a lot to me :( | 11:14 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: just got a few clutter updates - parole works with clutter | 11:21 |
| flocculant | http://i.imgur.com/VW7mrOF.png | 11:21 |
| knome | it's not related to USB for me | 11:26 |
| knome | oh! | 11:28 |
| knome | i hit the crash bug | 11:28 |
| knome | not when recording | 11:28 |
| knome | let's see if i can reproduve | 11:28 |
| knome | s/v/c/ | 11:28 |
| knome | ok, i can reproduce reliably | 11:30 |
| knome | ... | 11:30 |
| knome | flocculant, you ready for a quick test? | 11:30 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, I have five minutes for a quick test | 11:31 |
| knome | let me write the instructions in a pad to let you test... | 11:31 |
| jjfrv8 | bbia | 11:36 |
| jjfrv8 | +b | 11:36 |
| knome | sure, i'll post the pad when i'm ready | 11:36 |
| knome | flocculant, jjfrv8: http://pad.ubuntu.com/thunar-bug | 11:44 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, I could not get it to crash but I did get the dupe file names | 11:57 |
| jjfrv8 | I'm using the version from staging that bluesabre said might improve things. | 11:58 |
| jjfrv8 | sorry, got to run now. | 11:58 |
| knome | mhm | 11:59 |
| akxwi-dave | I've not had the Thunar crash problem eith no matter hat i tried either in VM or hardware | 12:08 |
| knome | weird, i'm hitting it semi-regularly | 12:08 |
| akxwi-dave | i'm running 16.04 on my Lenovo lappy as my daily and to be honest its been very very stable.. for me much more than 15.10 | 12:10 |
| * knome doesn't have horses, thus doesn't need a stable | 12:11 | |
| * knome grins | 12:11 | |
| akxwi-dave | :-) | 12:12 |
| knome | pleia2, ping me when you wake up or sth and let's publish todays article | 12:54 |
| knome | bluesabre, ochosi: i think we should bind Super+S to Settings Manager | 12:54 |
| knome | pleia2, also, feel free to review these two: https://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3770&action=edit (today's article) and https://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3850&action=edit (wednesday's article) | 13:02 |
| knome | pleia2, err, maybe the previews are better anyway: https://xubuntu.org/?p=3770&preview=true and https://xubuntu.org/?p=3850&preview=true | 13:02 |
| knome | bluesabre, want to come up with screenshots for those? | 13:02 |
| akxwi-dave | oh yes... todays iso image installed and ran with no problems at all ( if you dont inclued the duplicate imagemagick shortcuts) | 14:33 |
| PaulW2U | Hi team, devs and testers - just confirming that I'm still seeing the thunar crash with today's 64-bit ISO. Whether the crash occurs seems to depend on where the file being renamed is located. | 15:32 |
| akxwi-dave | Hi PaulW2U , I can't seem to replicate that crash.. how exactly are you getting it to do it.. | 15:37 |
| PaulW2U | I create a file in /home/user/Documents. Rename it and crash! All documented in the bug report #1512120 | 15:39 |
| akxwi-dave | really wierd... I have never been able to get it to happen for me.. even though I know it happens to others.. Even tried mass renaming 128 files at once on todays iso, and successfull did it 20 time with no crash.. | 15:42 |
| PaulW2U | If the file is in ~/ then no matter how many times I rename the file thunar doesn't crash. | 15:43 |
| akxwi-dave | hopefully they will find whats causing it.. | 15:44 |
| flocculant | knome: re pad instructions - you've got somefile.txt and 2 and anotherfile | 15:46 |
| flocculant | then you want to rename somefil.txt to somefile2.txt - is that what you mean - that just refuses :) | 15:48 |
| flocculant | PaulW2U: yup - immediate crash in ~/Docs | 15:50 |
| PaulW2U | flocculant: and in any other directory that is not /home/user I think | 15:50 |
| flocculant | mmm | 15:51 |
| flocculant | now it's not | 15:51 |
| flocculant | this is patched thunar here btw | 15:52 |
| PaulW2U | I'm using today's ISO right now but last night I saw the same with the patched build | 15:54 |
| flocculant | PaulW2U: not been home long enough to have got to the daily :) | 15:54 |
| PaulW2U | Some of us work reduced hours because of our age :) | 15:55 |
| flocculant | :) | 15:55 |
| akxwi-dave | lol and some of us do it while working..:-) | 15:57 |
| akxwi-dave | http://i.imgur.com/GWBSN3U.png | 15:57 |
| flocculant | would be a touch hard for me - I'd likely crash the van - much worse situation than a filemanager crash ;) | 15:57 |
| akxwi-dave | this is alread after 20 renames.. | 15:57 |
| akxwi-dave | lol | 15:57 |
| akxwi-dave | i owuldn't suggest doing while driving | 15:58 |
| PaulW2U | akxwi-dave: very strange | 15:58 |
| akxwi-dave | PaulW2U, exactly | 15:58 |
| flocculant | this is a real pita | 16:00 |
| flocculant | yes I can confirm it | 16:00 |
| flocculant | no I can't | 16:00 |
| flocculant | ad infinitum | 16:00 |
| flocculant | how can anyone triage this :p | 16:00 |
| akxwi-dave | \o/ | 16:01 |
| flocculant | nice to see clutter updates though - could possibly revert to that for parole | 16:03 |
| akxwi-dave | time to go.. bbl | 16:06 |
| flocculant | cya | 16:07 |
| knome | flocculant, have somefile.txt intact and anotherfile.txt intact | 16:34 |
| knome | flocculant, then just rename somefil.txt to somefile2.txt and back and forth and back and forth | 16:34 |
| flocculant | oh right | 16:36 |
| flocculant | that was my end assumption and what I did | 16:37 |
| flocculant | couldn't confirm it | 16:37 |
| knome | right | 16:37 |
| knome | weird then | 16:37 |
| flocculant | yea for sure | 16:38 |
| knome | were you able to reproduce the other one then? | 16:38 |
| flocculant | the 'same file' listed one - nope | 16:38 |
| knome | hmm, again weird | 16:38 |
| flocculant | yup | 16:38 |
| knome | did you use the mouse or the keyboard to navigate? | 16:38 |
| flocculant | both | 16:38 |
| knome | because if it matters, my operations were purely kb-driven | 16:39 |
| flocculant | could be - I can certainly have a go at doing it that way | 16:39 |
| flocculant | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12264#c13 | 16:41 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 12264 in core "Crash when renaming single file in folder" [Major,New] | 16:41 |
| flocculant | comment 32 for a simple test renaming a bunch of files | 16:47 |
| knome | let's see.. | 16:47 |
| knome | ah | 16:47 |
| knome | yeah... | 16:47 |
| knome | but that expects the problem is in thunar not being able to refresh the view correctly | 16:48 |
| knome | which might indeed be the case | 16:48 |
| knome | but otoh, it might not be the case :) | 16:48 |
| flocculant | right | 16:49 |
| flocculant | so I fiddled with the sleep - changed from 1 to 5 and to 0.5 and 0.05 | 16:50 |
| knome | yep | 16:50 |
| flocculant | ok - so that's sometimes looking wrong locally (not vm) | 16:52 |
| flocculant | which points to view refresh perhaps | 16:53 |
| knome | maybe | 16:53 |
| knome | though i don't know if that says anything about the bug | 16:53 |
| flocculant | well it's not crashing on rename that way | 16:53 |
| flocculant | if nothing else :) | 16:54 |
| knome | yep | 16:54 |
| flocculant | and I'm seeing your second issue I think - unknown filetype | 16:55 |
| knome | hmm? :) | 16:55 |
| flocculant | mmm | 16:55 |
| flocculant | and .txt mixed with .txt.txt | 16:56 |
| flocculant | and odd ordering | 16:56 |
| knome | hmm, there shouldn't be no .txt.txt though | 16:56 |
| flocculant | from the test at comment 32 there should be | 16:56 |
| flocculant | mv "$i.txt" "$i.txt.txt" | 16:57 |
| flocculant | then back to .txt | 16:57 |
| flocculant | anyway biab - got to start sorting grub out | 16:58 |
| knome | ah, right | 16:58 |
| flocculant | and http://i.imgur.com/KDRZJmw.png | 17:04 |
| flocculant | so those 3 don't actually exist for it to delete | 17:04 |
| flocculant | and then they do when I close that message | 17:05 |
| flocculant | with 7 ... | 17:05 |
| knome | :) | 17:12 |
| flocculant | so got a 3 minute screencast of odditied | 17:24 |
| flocculant | oddities | 17:24 |
| knome | "fun" | 17:28 |
| knome | on another note, since i returned to the desktop machine, i didn't really notice anything "fishy" - what could have been that is that i'm using noto sans 9 instead of droid, so i'd say this is a fairly unobtrusive change after the first shock | 17:50 |
| knome | (still have droid 10 on laptop) | 17:50 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:50 |
| flocculant | knome: and now confirming it (at least until the next time I can't) | 19:34 |
| knome | pleia2, ping again? | 23:12 |
| knome | pleia2, since i'm going to bed next, i've published and tweeted https://xubuntu.org/news/small-details-shortcut-keys/ | 23:21 |
| knome | pleia2, if you could g+ and fb, that'd be great :) | 23:21 |
| knome | (whenever you have time) | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: huh, clutter coming back to life is rather unexpected | 23:26 |
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