[08:04] <knome> bluesabre, is its depends something we can realistically get in xenial though?
[10:50] <bluesabre> knome: I don't know... if I had a solution, I would have made it happen ;)
[10:50] <knome> i guess so
[11:05] <flocculant> it's been a bit of an issue for a while now I suppose
[11:05] <knome> yep
[11:05] <knome> i'm seeing it myself as well
[11:05] <knome> and it's annoying
[11:05] <knome> not as annoying as the mousepad crashes
[11:05] <knome> because those mean loss of work sometimes
[11:05] <flocculant> I guess I've been lucky - not really seeing these issues
[11:05] <flocculant> yea - not good
[11:06] <knome> in the case of thunar, you just have to open again 
[11:07] <flocculant> maybe so - I only actually saaw a thunar issue when I renamed something a *lot* of times - which isn't really something that anyone would likely do in the real world - one or two typo's when renaming possibly - but it must have been getting on for 30 till I saw it
[11:07] <knome> actually, that's a false assumption; i rename many files often
[11:08] <knome> at least many enough to get that crash
[11:08] <flocculant> my biggest headache has been the usb3 remounting thing - but that's not actually thunar as all managers are affected by it
[11:08] <knome> i don't know if it's related (could be) but sometimes the rendering after renaming isn't correct
[11:08] <knome> eg. some file names appear twice
[11:08] <flocculant> knome: mmm 
[11:08] <flocculant> definitely not something I've seen
[11:08] <knome> in some cases a filename that should exist (most prominently, the name that you just renamed to) doesn't exist
[11:09] <knome> but then it gets rendered correctly when you select all
[11:09] <flocculant> mmm
[11:09] <knome> or scroll through the files by arrow keys
[11:09] <knome> or refresh the directory (obviously)
[11:09] <flocculant> not sure I've seen that reported at either LP or bugzilla
[11:09] <flocculant> yea
[11:09] <knome> i know, i should report it, but i'd like to figure out when it happens - because it doesn't every time
[11:10] <flocculant> but I didn't spend ages looking yesterday at them
[11:11] <flocculant> and the bug report titles from apport don't make life very easy either - 'some crash in some thing that isn't particularly human readable'
[11:11] <knome> at least one thing that happens relatively often is that when you rename, the wront file is selected
[11:11] <knome> *wrong
[11:12] <knome> if i have time after lunch, i'll try to make a bug report out of it - or maybe a screencast
[11:12] <flocculant> screencast might be helpful - unless the report is specific - which I'd expect it to be
[11:13] <flocculant> I'm happy enough to at least try and confirm things
[11:13] <flocculant> the other thing being - thunar might be fine - it's just showing us the issue - eg the usb3 thing in my case 
[11:14] <flocculant> I did see a few 'glib previous version were' fine comments yesterday
[11:14] <flocculant> but it doesn't mean a lot to me :(
[11:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: just got a few clutter updates - parole works with clutter
[11:21] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/VW7mrOF.png
[11:26] <knome> it's not related to USB for me
[11:28] <knome> oh!
[11:28] <knome> i hit the crash bug
[11:28] <knome> not when recording
[11:28] <knome> let's see if i can reproduve
[11:28] <knome> s/v/c/
[11:30] <knome> ok, i can reproduce reliably
[11:30] <knome> ...
[11:30] <knome> flocculant, you ready for a quick test?
[11:31] <jjfrv8> knome, I have five minutes for a quick test
[11:31] <knome> let me write the instructions in a pad to let you test...
[11:36] <jjfrv8> bbia
[11:36] <jjfrv8> +b
[11:36] <knome> sure, i'll post the pad when i'm ready
[11:44] <knome> flocculant, jjfrv8: http://pad.ubuntu.com/thunar-bug
[11:57] <jjfrv8> knome, I could not get it to crash but I did get the dupe file names
[11:58] <jjfrv8> I'm using the version from staging that bluesabre said might improve things.
[11:58] <jjfrv8> sorry, got to run now.
[11:59] <knome> mhm
[12:08] <akxwi-dave> I've not had the Thunar crash problem eith no matter hat i tried either in VM or hardware
[12:08] <knome> weird, i'm hitting it semi-regularly
[12:10] <akxwi-dave> i'm running 16.04 on my Lenovo lappy as my daily and to be honest its been very very stable.. for me much more than 15.10
[12:11]  * knome doesn't have horses, thus doesn't need a stable
[12:11]  * knome grins
[12:12] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[12:54] <knome> pleia2, ping me when you wake up or sth and let's publish todays article
[12:54] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: i think we should bind Super+S to Settings Manager
[13:02] <knome> pleia2, also, feel free to review these two: https://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3770&action=edit (today's article) and https://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3850&action=edit (wednesday's article)
[13:02] <knome> pleia2, err, maybe the previews are better anyway: https://xubuntu.org/?p=3770&preview=true and https://xubuntu.org/?p=3850&preview=true
[13:02] <knome> bluesabre, want to come up with screenshots for those?
[14:33] <akxwi-dave> oh yes... todays iso image installed and ran with no problems at all ( if you dont inclued the duplicate imagemagick shortcuts)
[15:32] <PaulW2U> Hi team, devs and testers - just confirming that I'm still seeing the thunar crash with today's 64-bit ISO. Whether the crash occurs seems to depend on where the file being renamed is located.
[15:37] <akxwi-dave> Hi PaulW2U , I can't seem to replicate that crash.. how exactly are you getting it to do it..
[15:39] <PaulW2U> I create a file in /home/user/Documents. Rename it and crash! All documented in the bug report #1512120
[15:42] <akxwi-dave> really wierd... I have never been able to get it to happen for me.. even though I know it happens to others..  Even tried mass renaming 128 files at once on todays iso, and successfull did it 20 time with no crash.. 
[15:43] <PaulW2U> If the file is in ~/ then no matter how many times I rename the file thunar doesn't crash.
[15:44] <akxwi-dave> hopefully they will find whats causing it..
[15:46] <flocculant> knome: re pad instructions - you've got somefile.txt and 2 and anotherfile
[15:48] <flocculant> then you want to rename somefil.txt to somefile2.txt - is that what you mean - that just refuses :)
[15:50] <flocculant> PaulW2U: yup - immediate crash in ~/Docs
[15:50] <PaulW2U> flocculant: and in any other directory that is not /home/user I think
[15:51] <flocculant> mmm
[15:51] <flocculant> now it's not
[15:52] <flocculant> this is patched thunar here btw 
[15:54] <PaulW2U> I'm using today's ISO right now but last night I saw the same with the patched build
[15:54] <flocculant> PaulW2U: not been home long enough to have got to the daily :)
[15:55] <PaulW2U> Some of us work reduced hours because of our age :)
[15:55] <flocculant> :)
[15:57] <akxwi-dave> lol and some of us do it while working..:-)
[15:57] <akxwi-dave> http://i.imgur.com/GWBSN3U.png
[15:57] <flocculant> would be a touch hard for me - I'd likely crash the van - much worse situation than a filemanager crash ;)
[15:57] <akxwi-dave> this is alread after 20 renames.. 
[15:57] <akxwi-dave> lol
[15:58] <akxwi-dave> i owuldn't suggest doing while driving
[15:58] <PaulW2U> akxwi-dave: very strange
[15:58] <akxwi-dave> PaulW2U, exactly
[16:00] <flocculant> this is a real pita
[16:00] <flocculant> yes I can confirm it
[16:00] <flocculant> no I can't
[16:00] <flocculant> ad infinitum 
[16:00] <flocculant> how can anyone triage this :p
[16:01] <akxwi-dave> \o/
[16:03] <flocculant> nice to see clutter updates though - could possibly revert to that for parole
[16:06] <akxwi-dave> time to go.. bbl
[16:07] <flocculant> cya 
[16:34] <knome> flocculant, have somefile.txt intact and anotherfile.txt intact
[16:34] <knome> flocculant, then just rename somefil.txt to somefile2.txt and back and forth and back and forth
[16:36] <flocculant> oh right
[16:37] <flocculant> that was my end assumption and what I did 
[16:37] <flocculant> couldn't confirm it 
[16:37] <knome> right
[16:37] <knome> weird then
[16:38] <flocculant> yea for sure
[16:38] <knome> were you able to reproduce the other one then?
[16:38] <flocculant> the 'same file' listed one - nope
[16:38] <knome> hmm, again weird
[16:38] <flocculant> yup
[16:38] <knome> did you use the mouse or the keyboard to navigate?
[16:38] <flocculant> both
[16:39] <knome> because if it matters, my operations were purely kb-driven
[16:39] <flocculant> could be - I can certainly have a go at doing it that way
[16:41] <flocculant> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12264#c13
[16:47] <flocculant> comment 32 for a simple test renaming a bunch of files
[16:47] <knome> let's see..
[16:47] <knome> ah
[16:47] <knome> yeah...
[16:48] <knome> but that expects the problem is in thunar not being able to refresh the view correctly
[16:48] <knome> which might indeed be the case
[16:48] <knome> but otoh, it might not be the case :)
[16:49] <flocculant> right
[16:50] <flocculant> so I fiddled with the sleep - changed from 1 to 5 and to 0.5 and 0.05
[16:50] <knome> yep
[16:52] <flocculant> ok - so that's sometimes looking wrong locally (not vm)
[16:53] <flocculant> which points to view refresh perhaps
[16:53] <knome> maybe
[16:53] <knome> though i don't know if that says anything about the bug
[16:53] <flocculant> well it's not crashing on rename that way
[16:54] <flocculant> if nothing else :)
[16:54] <knome> yep
[16:55] <flocculant> and I'm seeing your second issue I think - unknown filetype
[16:55] <knome> hmm? :)
[16:55] <flocculant> mmm
[16:56] <flocculant> and .txt mixed with .txt.txt
[16:56] <flocculant> and odd ordering
[16:56] <knome> hmm, there shouldn't be no .txt.txt though
[16:56] <flocculant> from the test at comment 32 there should be
[16:57] <flocculant> mv "$i.txt" "$i.txt.txt" 
[16:57] <flocculant> then back to .txt
[16:58] <flocculant> anyway biab - got to start sorting grub out
[16:58] <knome> ah, right
[17:04] <flocculant> and http://i.imgur.com/KDRZJmw.png
[17:04] <flocculant> so those 3 don't actually exist for it to delete
[17:05] <flocculant> and then they do when I close that message
[17:05] <flocculant> with 7 ... 
[17:12] <knome> :)
[17:24] <flocculant> so got a 3 minute screencast of odditied
[17:24] <flocculant> oddities
[17:28] <knome> "fun"
[17:50] <knome> on another note, since i returned to the desktop machine, i didn't really notice anything "fishy" - what could have been that is that i'm using noto sans 9 instead of droid, so i'd say this is a fairly unobtrusive change after the first shock
[17:50] <knome> (still have droid 10 on laptop)
[17:50] <flocculant> :)
[19:34] <flocculant> knome: and now confirming it (at least until the next time I can't) 
[23:12] <knome> pleia2, ping again?
[23:21] <knome> pleia2, since i'm going to bed next, i've published and tweeted https://xubuntu.org/news/small-details-shortcut-keys/
[23:21] <knome> pleia2, if you could g+ and fb, that'd be great :)
[23:21] <knome> (whenever you have time)
[23:26] <bluesabre> flocculant: huh, clutter coming back to life is rather unexpected