[08:04] bluesabre, is its depends something we can realistically get in xenial though? [10:50] knome: I don't know... if I had a solution, I would have made it happen ;) [10:50] i guess so [11:05] it's been a bit of an issue for a while now I suppose [11:05] yep [11:05] i'm seeing it myself as well [11:05] and it's annoying [11:05] not as annoying as the mousepad crashes [11:05] because those mean loss of work sometimes [11:05] I guess I've been lucky - not really seeing these issues [11:05] yea - not good [11:06] in the case of thunar, you just have to open again [11:07] maybe so - I only actually saaw a thunar issue when I renamed something a *lot* of times - which isn't really something that anyone would likely do in the real world - one or two typo's when renaming possibly - but it must have been getting on for 30 till I saw it [11:07] actually, that's a false assumption; i rename many files often [11:08] at least many enough to get that crash [11:08] my biggest headache has been the usb3 remounting thing - but that's not actually thunar as all managers are affected by it [11:08] i don't know if it's related (could be) but sometimes the rendering after renaming isn't correct [11:08] eg. some file names appear twice [11:08] knome: mmm [11:08] definitely not something I've seen [11:08] in some cases a filename that should exist (most prominently, the name that you just renamed to) doesn't exist [11:09] but then it gets rendered correctly when you select all [11:09] mmm [11:09] or scroll through the files by arrow keys [11:09] or refresh the directory (obviously) [11:09] not sure I've seen that reported at either LP or bugzilla [11:09] yea [11:09] i know, i should report it, but i'd like to figure out when it happens - because it doesn't every time [11:10] but I didn't spend ages looking yesterday at them [11:11] and the bug report titles from apport don't make life very easy either - 'some crash in some thing that isn't particularly human readable' [11:11] at least one thing that happens relatively often is that when you rename, the wront file is selected [11:11] *wrong [11:12] if i have time after lunch, i'll try to make a bug report out of it - or maybe a screencast [11:12] screencast might be helpful - unless the report is specific - which I'd expect it to be [11:13] I'm happy enough to at least try and confirm things [11:13] the other thing being - thunar might be fine - it's just showing us the issue - eg the usb3 thing in my case [11:14] I did see a few 'glib previous version were' fine comments yesterday [11:14] but it doesn't mean a lot to me :( [11:21] bluesabre: just got a few clutter updates - parole works with clutter [11:21] http://i.imgur.com/VW7mrOF.png [11:26] it's not related to USB for me [11:28] oh! [11:28] i hit the crash bug [11:28] not when recording [11:28] let's see if i can reproduve [11:28] s/v/c/ [11:30] ok, i can reproduce reliably [11:30] ... [11:30] flocculant, you ready for a quick test? [11:31] knome, I have five minutes for a quick test [11:31] let me write the instructions in a pad to let you test... [11:36] bbia [11:36] +b [11:36] sure, i'll post the pad when i'm ready [11:44] flocculant, jjfrv8: http://pad.ubuntu.com/thunar-bug [11:57] knome, I could not get it to crash but I did get the dupe file names [11:58] I'm using the version from staging that bluesabre said might improve things. [11:58] sorry, got to run now. [11:59] mhm [12:08] I've not had the Thunar crash problem eith no matter hat i tried either in VM or hardware [12:08] weird, i'm hitting it semi-regularly [12:10] i'm running 16.04 on my Lenovo lappy as my daily and to be honest its been very very stable.. for me much more than 15.10 [12:11] * knome doesn't have horses, thus doesn't need a stable [12:11] * knome grins [12:12] :-) [12:54] pleia2, ping me when you wake up or sth and let's publish todays article [12:54] bluesabre, ochosi: i think we should bind Super+S to Settings Manager [13:02] pleia2, also, feel free to review these two: https://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3770&action=edit (today's article) and https://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3850&action=edit (wednesday's article) [13:02] pleia2, err, maybe the previews are better anyway: https://xubuntu.org/?p=3770&preview=true and https://xubuntu.org/?p=3850&preview=true [13:02] bluesabre, want to come up with screenshots for those? [14:33] oh yes... todays iso image installed and ran with no problems at all ( if you dont inclued the duplicate imagemagick shortcuts) [15:32] Hi team, devs and testers - just confirming that I'm still seeing the thunar crash with today's 64-bit ISO. Whether the crash occurs seems to depend on where the file being renamed is located. [15:37] Hi PaulW2U , I can't seem to replicate that crash.. how exactly are you getting it to do it.. [15:39] I create a file in /home/user/Documents. Rename it and crash! All documented in the bug report #1512120 [15:42] really wierd... I have never been able to get it to happen for me.. even though I know it happens to others.. Even tried mass renaming 128 files at once on todays iso, and successfull did it 20 time with no crash.. [15:43] If the file is in ~/ then no matter how many times I rename the file thunar doesn't crash. [15:44] hopefully they will find whats causing it.. [15:46] knome: re pad instructions - you've got somefile.txt and 2 and anotherfile [15:48] then you want to rename somefil.txt to somefile2.txt - is that what you mean - that just refuses :) [15:50] PaulW2U: yup - immediate crash in ~/Docs [15:50] flocculant: and in any other directory that is not /home/user I think [15:51] mmm [15:51] now it's not [15:52] this is patched thunar here btw [15:54] I'm using today's ISO right now but last night I saw the same with the patched build [15:54] PaulW2U: not been home long enough to have got to the daily :) [15:55] Some of us work reduced hours because of our age :) [15:55] :) [15:57] lol and some of us do it while working..:-) [15:57] http://i.imgur.com/GWBSN3U.png [15:57] would be a touch hard for me - I'd likely crash the van - much worse situation than a filemanager crash ;) [15:57] this is alread after 20 renames.. [15:57] lol [15:58] i owuldn't suggest doing while driving [15:58] akxwi-dave: very strange [15:58] PaulW2U, exactly [16:00] this is a real pita [16:00] yes I can confirm it [16:00] no I can't [16:00] ad infinitum [16:00] how can anyone triage this :p [16:01] \o/ [16:03] nice to see clutter updates though - could possibly revert to that for parole [16:06] time to go.. bbl [16:07] cya [16:34] flocculant, have somefile.txt intact and anotherfile.txt intact [16:34] flocculant, then just rename somefil.txt to somefile2.txt and back and forth and back and forth [16:36] oh right [16:37] that was my end assumption and what I did [16:37] couldn't confirm it [16:37] right [16:37] weird then [16:38] yea for sure [16:38] were you able to reproduce the other one then? [16:38] the 'same file' listed one - nope [16:38] hmm, again weird [16:38] yup [16:38] did you use the mouse or the keyboard to navigate? [16:38] both [16:39] because if it matters, my operations were purely kb-driven [16:39] could be - I can certainly have a go at doing it that way [16:41] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12264#c13 [16:41] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 12264 in core "Crash when renaming single file in folder" [Major,New] [16:47] comment 32 for a simple test renaming a bunch of files [16:47] let's see.. [16:47] ah [16:47] yeah... [16:48] but that expects the problem is in thunar not being able to refresh the view correctly [16:48] which might indeed be the case [16:48] but otoh, it might not be the case :) [16:49] right [16:50] so I fiddled with the sleep - changed from 1 to 5 and to 0.5 and 0.05 [16:50] yep [16:52] ok - so that's sometimes looking wrong locally (not vm) [16:53] which points to view refresh perhaps [16:53] maybe [16:53] though i don't know if that says anything about the bug [16:53] well it's not crashing on rename that way [16:54] if nothing else :) [16:54] yep [16:55] and I'm seeing your second issue I think - unknown filetype [16:55] hmm? :) [16:55] mmm [16:56] and .txt mixed with .txt.txt [16:56] and odd ordering [16:56] hmm, there shouldn't be no .txt.txt though [16:56] from the test at comment 32 there should be [16:57] mv "$i.txt" "$i.txt.txt" [16:57] then back to .txt [16:58] anyway biab - got to start sorting grub out [16:58] ah, right [17:04] and http://i.imgur.com/KDRZJmw.png [17:04] so those 3 don't actually exist for it to delete [17:05] and then they do when I close that message [17:05] with 7 ... [17:12] :) [17:24] so got a 3 minute screencast of odditied [17:24] oddities [17:28] "fun" [17:50] on another note, since i returned to the desktop machine, i didn't really notice anything "fishy" - what could have been that is that i'm using noto sans 9 instead of droid, so i'd say this is a fairly unobtrusive change after the first shock [17:50] (still have droid 10 on laptop) [17:50] :) [19:34] knome: and now confirming it (at least until the next time I can't) [23:12] pleia2, ping again? [23:21] pleia2, since i'm going to bed next, i've published and tweeted https://xubuntu.org/news/small-details-shortcut-keys/ [23:21] pleia2, if you could g+ and fb, that'd be great :) [23:21] (whenever you have time) [23:26] flocculant: huh, clutter coming back to life is rather unexpected