=== muktupavels is now known as muktupavels_ [01:01] Sigh. If "bzr commit" ever adds a "-a" parameter that does something awful, them I am so so so screwed. [03:13] 3~/c === adymitruk is now known as Adam_FromVancouv === Adam_FromVancouv is now known as Adam_FrVancouver [04:53] Hi [04:54] Hey hikiko. [04:54] :-) [05:47] * ricotz wonders how the numerous harfbuzz releases were missed [06:17] Good morning [07:04] * TheMuso -> EOD. [07:46] good morning desktopers [07:46] had to make xchat-gnome accept invalid ssl to connect today [07:52] ricotz, harfbuzz, easy, we follow Debian and they didn't update [07:52] bonjour seb128 ! [07:53] salut pitti! ça va bien ? [07:53] seb128: oui, et toi ? [07:53] très bien merci ! [07:53] morning seb128 pitti [07:53] hey willcooke! [07:53] hey willcooke === muktupavels_ is now known as muktupavels [08:20] meow [08:21] morning Laney [08:22] * pitti tosses some yarn to Laney [08:27] hey Laney [08:28] having fun in London? [08:29] hey willcooke pitti seb128 [08:29] sunny today! [08:29] I even left my coat back at the hotel [08:29] * Laney is brave [08:29] how long is the walk? ;-) [08:30] reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally far [08:32] :-( [08:32] that's a lie [08:32] it's like 2 minutes [08:35] I was unsure [08:35] got job Mr Lane, you got me :p [08:35] watch you, next time it's my turn! [08:35] got->good [08:36] how is the hackfest otherwise? getting useful things for xenial in shape? ;-) [08:36] did ximion convince you to take the new generator yet? ;-) [08:45] yeah got to fix this extra 20 minutes of runtime that I added [08:45] #fail [08:45] not quite yet, I'll let him find all the bugs in debian first [08:51] anyone know about Macs, and specifically creating Ubuntu USB installers? [08:52] popey perhaps? ^ [08:53] willcooke: there is a wiki page dedicated to it I think it is covered on there one second [08:53] * seb128 bououou at willcooke [08:53] davmor2, right, the web team are asking me questions about it, and I know zero about Macs. I've never used one [08:54] seb128, not booo!! ^ ;D [08:54] :-) [08:54] good! [08:54] Do I look like I own a scarf? [08:54] ;p [08:54] * seb128 pictures willcooke with a scarf [08:54] no, doesn't really fit [08:54] lol [08:55] willcooke, joke aside, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx ? [08:55] willcooke: ah okay [08:55] burning a CD [08:55] Questions are: [08:55] * do users need to install refind to work on newer macs? [08:55] * do users need to pre-partition their drives to run alongside mac? [08:55] * will mac osx updated mess up refind? [08:55] good luck with that [08:55] I don't even know what a refind is [08:55] (also: don't care) [08:56] same here [08:56] xnox: can you please look at glib2.0's tests on s390x? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1561698 [08:56] Launchpad bug 1561698 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Build hangs on s390x" [Undecided,New] [08:56] * Laney is annoyed that they got disabled [08:56] willcooke: oh so this is installing it not having it on usb then [08:57] davmor2, installing it from USB [09:00] willcooke: you might not need refind on newer systems but the documentation still needs to be there for older macs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation you'd need someone with a new mac to test [09:03] Laney, yes. [09:03] thanks === tsdgeos_ is now known as tsdgeos [09:37] willcooke, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-on-windows-mac-and-linux [09:37] seems they heard you [09:41] woah! [09:41] thanks seb128 [09:47] willcooke: you mean you're not scared by the fact that a random reporter is righting articles on things that happen to be in your head (Start twilight zone music) [09:47] :) [09:47] writing even [09:54] willcooke: now ask how to win the lottery please [09:58] :D [10:36] seb128: willcooke: thinking about what to do re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1565865. is this something update-manager can handle or does it have to be gnome-software? [10:36] Launchpad bug 1565865 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu patches make applying firmware updates not possible" [High,New] === Guest98924 is now known as fredp [10:37] attente, thanks === fredp is now known as Guest50479 [10:37] it's a tricky one I expect [10:38] there are two issues as pointed out there: 1. we don't initiate the fwupd GetUpdates() and 2. we explicitly hide the "Restart & Install" button in GS [10:40] a simple solution might be to re-enable gnome-software's daemon mode and re-show the button [10:45] does that bring offline updates back in to play? [10:50] yes [10:50] seb128, thoughts? ^ [10:51] fwupdate functionality is v. important [10:58] we just discussed it and know what to do I think [10:59] yeah, we're going to revert those two commits, add functionality upstream to show the "restart & install" button with more appropriate text depending on what kind of updates are available [11:04] nice one, thanks attente Laney [11:07] an added advantage to leaving it running in the background is that a lot of those UI crashers might go away [11:08] (i suspect) [11:33] seb128: as for libreoffice sponsoring: unless there is a desaster 5.1.2 rc2 will be declared final on thursday. I have the package ready already, so we should be good to go then ... === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:17] aaand .... reviewed 14 patches upstream (merged 8). [12:17] Trevinho: https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/lp-1552537/+merge/290976 [12:18] Trevinho: do you want me to prepare a mp for unity/wily too? [12:19] Trevinho: [12:19] Trevinho: also for trusty === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [12:28] Sweet5hark, great, let me know when it's good for upload [12:29] seb128: willdo [12:29] willcooke, attente, offline updates are not implemented in aptdaemon though? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:12] seb128: does that mean we can't really implement this in gnome software anyways? [13:12] attente, "this"? [13:12] seb128: aptdaemon not being able to do offline updates [13:12] attente, I don't know how the firmware thing works [13:13] superm1 probably knows better [13:13] i thought it was done through the fwupd service, but haven't really looked into it that much [13:13] is that going through packagekit offline updates? [13:13] k [13:13] so maybe it's a different thing [13:13] and we just need to reboot [13:13] is fwupd doing its thing through a systemd job or such? [13:14] or does it need to hit a special boot target? [13:15] seb128: fwupd doesn't use package kit offline updates [13:15] but that button for "update" issues updates for all the various gnome-software plugins [13:16] superm1, how does fwupd work? does it detect files downloaded in a location when booting? [13:17] or does it do it live from the active session? [13:17] so in order to invoke the update it calls gs_plugin_app_update on all plugins: gs_plugin_app_update [13:17] seb128: both [13:17] depends on what kind of firmware you are updating [13:17] UEFI firmware happens during next boot [13:17] DFU and colorhug firmware are done immediately live [13:17] k [13:18] there will be more firmware types coming in future fwupd updates too [13:18] well then it seems we don't need offline updates to get firmware updates [13:18] but we need a way to show a reboot button when there is one of those pending reboot [13:18] is that right? [13:18] well but you still need 2 things [13:18] 1) a way to tell it to download the updates [13:19] that happens normally in the background as a refresh [13:19] and I think that's what packagekit deems an offline update [13:19] the file is fully cached and you hit the update button and everything is processed [13:20] 2) a way to activate the update [13:20] which is currently the update all buttn on the updates tab [13:20] so what do we miss? [13:21] from your bug description it looks like that the firmware update currently work but you need to [13:21] - click manually on the refresh button [13:22] - reboot once it's downloaded [13:22] ? === xnox_ is now known as xnox === CrazyMelon is now known as CrazyLemon [13:22] No, not fully correct [13:22] the refresh button does cause them to download [13:22] apparently it's packagekit writing to /system-updates (?) and systemd on next boot is reading it to run some scripts to finish the installation [13:23] No you still don't have a way to actually mark them for installation [13:23] what does "marking them for installation" means in actual backend actions? [13:23] That's what the update all button does [13:23] k [13:23] No you still don't have a way to actually mark them for installation [13:24] so basically we would just need to display a button "reboot & apply firmware update" when there is one of those downloaded? [13:24] No you still don't have a way to actually mark them for installation [13:24] lol [13:24] you said that 3 times now :p [13:24] Incorrect, you still need a way to mark for installation [13:25] hum [13:25] seb128: incorrect, you still need a way to mark for installation [13:25] wth? [13:25] and that's what the update button does [13:25] :/ [13:25] right, I got that [13:25] but does that action requires offline updates support in packagekit [13:25] seb128: incorrect, you still need a way to mark for installation [13:26] that's getting weird [13:26] superm1, sorry, do you feel like I'm going in circle that you keep pasting the same thing again and again? [13:26] * seb128 is a bit lost about what's going on there [13:26] seb128: yeah, i'm seeing it too [13:27] attente, we don't do offline updates, but I guess we should re-label that button and display it when firmware updates are downloaded [13:27] like change it from "Reboot & upgrade" to "Reboot & install new firmware" [13:28] sorry for lots of messages, IRC seemed to drop me [13:28] seb128: why can't we do offline updates? [13:29] attente, I'm guessing we can't, maybe I'm wrong [13:29] attente, but my understanding was that we needed packagekit support [13:29] and we [13:29] yes [13:29] - don't install packagekit [13:29] - aptdaemon doesn't have support [13:29] netsplit i think is going on [13:29] - we would need to update packagekit from 0.8 to 1.0 [13:29] my messages not going through [13:29] superm1, we can read them [13:30] ok. so what should we do re: the GS daemon and the button [13:30] seb128: netsplit [13:30] because it seems like restoring that functionality still doesn't get us fwupd updates [13:30] it doesn't? [13:30] would be nice if superm1 was not lagging [13:31] sorry, offline updates i mean [13:31] we don't care about offline updates [13:31] seb128: my IRC cloud is failing me [13:31] hey superm1_not_auth [13:31] sorry for the repeated messages [13:31] no worry [13:31] we could read you [13:31] but you seemed to lag [13:31] seb128: what should we do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1565865? [13:31] Launchpad bug 1565865 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu patches make applying firmware updates not possible" [High,In progress] [13:32] attente, I'm trying to understand the problem [13:32] superm1_not_auth: ^ [13:32] superm1_not_auth, do you still lag? [13:32] or is that one ok? [13:32] on webchat.freenode.net i'm not lagging [13:32] this one is ok [13:32] k, good [13:32] superm1_not_auth: it seems like even if we restore GS's run-in-background functionality, we still can't apply firmware updates [13:33] because? [13:33] without the packagekit offline update support [13:33] ???????????????? [13:33] are those the same thing? [13:33] well packagekit isn't used for the firmware updates [13:33] who said that? [13:33] just disable the package kit offline update functionality [13:33] but leave the button there [13:33] what I suggested was [13:33] we don't do offline updates, but I guess we should re-label that button and display it when firmware updates are downloaded [13:33] like change it from "Reboot & upgrade" to "Reboot & install new firmware" [13:33] since that's what it would do [13:33] it wouldn't apply package updates [13:34] but firmware updates don't got through packagekit offline updates [13:34] yeah that would work too [13:34] they go through fwupd [13:34] we said that here this morning [13:34] why this discussion? [13:34] attente: firmware updates are applied via the fwupd's plugin methods for update: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/tree/src/plugins/gs-plugin-fwupd.c#n744 [13:35] Laney, attente seems confused ... aren't you guys at the same hackfest? [13:35] yes [13:35] I'm wondering why this current confusion is happening [13:35] because he knew what to do earlier [13:36] maybe i don't understand... because i thought applying the firmware updates required an offline update [13:36] I don't think they do [13:36] via a different mechanism [13:36] not a packagekit one [13:36] what's the alternative mechanism? [13:37] fwupd [13:37] they behave "simliarly" to packatekit offline updates in that they get downloaded in the background from the refresh mechanism [13:37] call the fwupd method [13:37] and trigger a normal reboot [13:37] if I understood correctly [13:37] that doesn't rely on the packagekit offline update target [13:37] Yep [13:37] correct [13:37] good [13:37] so yeah, just relabel the button [13:37] and display it only when a firware has been downloaded [13:38] not when there are normal deb/snap updates [13:38] and we should be good [13:41] attente, Laney, I guess you are sorting it out by direct talk and it's all good now? [13:41] :X === Drac0 is now known as Guest76764 === bigon_ is now known as bigon [14:08] didrocks: oh, so that ffmpeg issue was a seccomp restriction in snappy after all? [14:09] didrocks: not helpful that this doesn't get logged in dmesg anywhere :/ [14:09] hmm, seccomp denials usually go to syslog [14:11] pitti: the issue was on vlc [14:11] pitti: ffmepg was another one [14:11] (many others ;)) [14:11] ah, ok; it sounded very close to what you were looking into a few weeks ago [14:12] yeah, but I'm having this issue without any security filtering [14:12] like install an ubuntu server, run the command -> works [14:12] put the exact same command as a systemd service -> fails [14:12] so, it's really systemd-related, no apparmor/seccomp here [14:12] (or not snappy related) [14:13] ah right, I remember, you tracked that down to missing $HOME or so [14:13] it's not that one, in the end [14:14] (it was when I tried to sneak the users, but in the end, unrelated) [14:14] really, it's systemd doing something I don't understand [14:14] but well, not enough time to spend more time on this and didn't really get any help on this, so abandonned :/ [14:16] didrocks: I'm less ridiculously swamped now, so if this is important for something and you need me to take a look, please sub me to the bug report [14:18] pitti: ah, excellent! will do then (but in a week, leaving for holidays tomorrow midday) [14:19] didrocks: oh, profiter tes vacances ! où allez-vous voyager ? [14:21] pitti: en Ireland ! [14:21] merci :) [14:21] didrocks: très bien ! Dublin aussi ? [14:21] nous connaisons Dublin de quelques UDSes [14:22] mais peut-être Julie ne le connait pas [14:22] pitti: oui, Dublin et l'ouest :) (non, Julie ne connait pas du tout) [14:23] didrocks, vous partez combien de temps ? [14:23] seb128: une semaine (on revient mercredi en 8) [14:24] cool, profitez en bien ! [14:25] merci ;) === bregma_ is now known as bregma === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [14:46] hello friends :) [14:47] hey larsu [14:47] we were talking about you earlier [14:47] * Laney wept [14:47] how's it going?!?!?!?! [14:47] Laney: awww, sorry :) [14:48] I was trying to get attente to ask you something :P [14:48] very good! Fighting launchpad right now and thought of you :P [14:48] larsu, you could fix that ;) [14:48] ahhhhhh nice [14:48] hehe [14:49] Laney: he can still ask me, I'm around [14:49] oh, larsu! [14:49] seb128! Ça va? [14:50] très bien, et toi ? [14:50] nickel, merci! [14:50] setting up a ppa for the first time in my life [14:50] haha [14:50] which is strange.... considering [14:50] oh [14:50] I love how this happens after you leave [14:50] yeah [14:50] soon you'll be getting upload rights [14:50] you leave our team and then start doing packaging? ;-) [14:50] heeeeeey larsu! wie gehts? [14:50] it doesn't like me anymore [14:50] and doesn't build anything for me [14:50] but probably I'm just doing something stupid [14:50] sounds like packaging [14:51] pitti: hey! Sehr gut danke! How are you? [14:51] larsu: very well, tahnks [14:51] seb128: on the side ;) I kind of want to drive getting cockpit into debian and have a ppa for people to try in ubuntu [14:51] seb128: (I am still running ubuntu, too ;) ) [14:52] larsu, if you have packaging questions feel free to ask, we have a few people around knowing about that ;-) [14:54] seb128: the package works (but could be "improved" according to a dd who is helping out a bit) [14:54] seb128: but launchpad doesn't do anything when I dput a source package [14:54] not even an email telling me what I did wrong [14:54] where do you dput to? [14:55] I tried ~cockpit-project/ubuntu/cockpit [14:56] syntax? [14:56] I use ppa:user/ppa [14:56] I put that into .dput.cf [14:56] dput ppa:laney/ppa blah_source.changes [14:56] like it says on https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading [14:56] works with the default configuration [14:57] does launchpad require some things? It's a native package right now... [14:57] no [14:57] and I haven't signed it (missing the cockpit private key on my machine) [14:57] but dput has a "allow_unsigend_uploads" option, so I guess that should work... [14:57] nein [14:57] launchpad requires it to be signed [14:57] ah! [14:58] damn [14:58] by the key of someone in the team which owns the ppa [14:58] weird that you didn't get email from this though [14:58] maybe to avoid spamming [14:58] yeah [14:58] hey larsu :) [14:58] not weird [14:58] and can I dput it even though it's for debian unstable? Or do I have to change the distribution? [14:58] it would email the person that signed it [14:58] you might want to ask on #launchpad if that's normal [14:58] * didrocks dput to ppa:laney/blah [14:58] didrocks: hello! How are you? [14:58] but if nobody then nobody to email [14:58] ugh [14:58] larsu: busy as hell, but okish, tomorrow is holidays! :) [14:58] larsu, you need to use an ubuntu serie [14:59] otherwise launchpad wouldn't know what distro to target [14:59] Laney, seb128: thanks a lot [14:59] xenial? trusty? [14:59] * larsu could have figured.. [14:59] seb128: hm, so I need to maintain two debian dirs? [15:00] larsu, you can probably hack the .changes [15:00] have a script to do that for you [15:00] you can override this when uploading to ppas [15:00] it's under "Using packages from other distributions" [15:00] but I don't know if that works with the ppa: syntax [15:00] ah [15:00] thanks [15:01] it's a bit confusing [15:01] it will be even more when I try to do this automatically from the release scripts, because they run on fedora machines ;) [15:01] which have all the packaging things for debian, which is awesome, but not dput [15:02] probably possible to build dput there [15:02] yeah it's not big [15:03] * Laney just unfucked appstream.ubuntu.com [15:04] OOOOOOOOOOOOOPS [15:04] ah only one of the machines [15:05] This Is Devops [15:06] lol [15:07] haha [15:07] * larsu misses this channel [15:07] should come by more often [15:07] indeed you should! [15:10] larsu: I'm in the redhat london office atm [15:10] cool snacks here [15:11] oh cool! How is that? [15:11] and ........... why? [15:11] don't get used to the haribo too much [15:11] pretty nice [15:11] gnome-software sprint [15:11] oh nice! Who's around? [15:11] the reception people at the ground floor leave at 6pm [15:11] larsu doesn't read g+ :p [15:11] so we had to go down to the loading area and leave through some shady door [15:12] seb128: that thing still exists? :P [15:12] Laney: haha - did you hack all night again like in Brussels? [15:12] larsu, https://plus.google.com/u/1/+RobertAncell/posts/ZQ4ge5C86fy?pid=6269736736094251298&oid=117099795522230536585 [15:13] can see Laney! [15:13] and he's smilling [15:13] aruiz and attente and kalev and hughsie and ximion and jrocha and alex and ramcq and some others [15:13] yeah those guys [15:13] Laney, did you guys hide attente's cokes for the picture? [15:13] oh how cool! [15:14] seb128: lol [15:14] he's been on the tango so far [15:14] so the talk about weeping over larsu was all lies ?!? [15:14] :-) [15:14] the weeping was in person [15:14] in borough market over a pieminister [15:14] ogra_: never trust Laney's weeping [15:14] :) [15:14] aww [15:14] not enough salt in those things [15:17] Laney, so the tango thing explains why attente got confused over the offline updates thing [15:17] he needs the real drink [15:17] seb128: now the tango thing is confusing me [15:18] because you though you were drinking something else? ;-) [15:18] wait a minute. this isn't a coke [15:19] lol [15:19] attente! What's up? [15:20] larsu: hey, in your office :P [15:20] * larsu looks around [15:20] larsu, quick, put a tshirt on! [15:21] working from home ftw :p [15:21]