[01:45] <muka> is there a remote control app for Ubuntu Touch?
[07:06] <jabawok> hi all.. any mir / Xmir experts around?
[07:06] <jabawok> I'm trying to do the right thing and leave the main image untouched, using a chroot instead for apt-get shinanegans
[07:07] <jabawok> i've installed Xmir in the vivid chroot, and managed to execute it with no errors by passing through mir_socket with a bindmount
[07:07] <jabawok> Then when i try running an X app within the chroot, Xmir throws: failed to create a surface: Error processing request: An output ID must be specified
[07:08] <jabawok> i'm running Xmir as phablet, within the chroot
[07:08] <jabawok> any clues?
[07:11] <jabawok> ..
[07:11] <jabawok> also.. <dobey> hmm, or just while the screen stays on even
[07:11] <jabawok> yes - wifi seems to go into some sort of low power mode and pretty much turns off after a while, occasionally waking up
[07:13] <jabawok> you can get around this by using tweekGeek from open.uappexplorer.com  to disable suspending for the terminal app, and then leave a ping running - not elegant but does the job.
[07:14] <jabawok> a better solution would be a configurable for the wifi chip. on my N900 there were 3 levels of powersave in the standard settings app. - the highest power saving mode exhibitted similar symptoms to this
[08:13] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, yes, they are updated
[08:14] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: Dude I already said you were wonderful, you're not getting it two days on the trot ;)
[08:14] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, ha. I guy can try
[08:14] <john-mcaleely> I
[08:14] <john-mcaleely> ?
[08:14] <john-mcaleely> a
[08:18] <touchy> hello
[08:18] <touchy> i have a problem with ubuntu touch
[08:18] <touchy> i'm trying to add another user to the system, which works fine...
[08:19] <touchy> but when i try to change the password i get   "Authentication token manipulation error"
[08:19] <touchy> any ideas about how to fix this problem ?
[08:29] <touchy> i'm working on some bitcoin auto-trading software for use with BTC-e.com
[08:29] <touchy> planning to use it as my first Ubuntu Touch app
[08:29] <touchy> :)
[08:29] <touchy> that, and going to make a decent mail app
[08:29] <touchy> or try to fix notifications
[08:34] <zzarr> touchy, why do you need another user for that?
[08:35] <touchy> i want the ftp server to use a different username than the phablet username that is default
[08:36] <touchy> normally i wouldn't even use FTP, because it's not really that secure
[08:36] <zzarr> it's not secure at all
[08:36] <touchy> but it makes things easy for development
[08:37] <touchy> it secure enough coming from behind a WLAN that doesn't forward those ports
[08:37] <zzarr> there's a ftp app, can't you use that?
[08:37] <touchy> the point is that i shouldn't have to
[08:37] <touchy> :P
[08:38] <zzarr> but if it's only for development I don't see no reason why
[08:38] <zzarr> (why not I meant)
[08:39] <zzarr> or just plug in the USB cable
[08:40] <zzarr> other then that there should be a way to use ssh
[08:41] <zzarr> Qt Creator can deploy to a ssh device
[08:44] <touchy> when i plugin a usb cable the only thing it does is charge
[08:46] <MCMic> touchy: Yeah it’s MTP, it’s not seen as a USB key
[08:46] <touchy> even then, i saw nothing when i connected it to my ubuntu laptop
[08:46] <touchy> which is where i do most of my development
[08:46] <MCMic> It kind of works with kde but usually fails if I try to copy more than 10 files to it -_-
[08:47] <touchy> yea, that's what i'm on
[08:47] <touchy> Kubuntu
[08:47] <touchy> i like eye-candy, what can i say
[08:47] <touchy> heh
[08:47] <MCMic> I’m not on Ubuntu but ArchLinux with KDE5/Plasma. I do see the phone when I plug it.
[08:47] <touchy> another reason i would like a ftp server on my phone
[08:47] <touchy> just use filezilla top copy stuff over
[08:47] <MCMic> (But as I said file copy is buggy)
[08:48] <MCMic> I would love a KDEconnect support for ubuntu touch.
[08:51] <zzarr> touchy, you have enabled developer mode and started Ubuntu SDK (Qt Creator) and selected "Devices"?
[08:51] <zzarr> it should popup there
[08:52] <touchy> hmm
[08:52] <touchy> haven't
[08:52] <zzarr> please do
[08:52] <touchy> :)
[08:52] <touchy> i need to get all of the SDK stuff installed and configured on this box
[08:52] <zzarr> sudo apt install ubuntu-dsk
[08:53] <zzarr> sudo apt install ubuntu-sdk
[08:54] <touchy> 250 MB to go
[08:54] <touchy> hah
[08:54] <zzarr> :-)
[08:55] <zzarr> it could be worse ;-)
[09:00] <zzarr> touchy, please tell me when the download/installation is finnished
[09:01] <touchy> ok
[09:01] <touchy> i'm in china, so ...it could be a while
[09:01] <touchy> connected to 4g..
[09:01] <touchy> and i'm downloading at 10kb/sec.
[09:01] <touchy> LOL!
[09:02] <zzarr> okey, then it will take a while :-(
[09:02] <touchy> i tell everyone that works at china mobile that i could download at the same speed in 1998....actually 3x that speed :P
[09:02] <zzarr> I have a 100/100 line here :P
[09:03] <zzarr> (in Sweden)
[09:03] <touchy> you mean a real one
[09:03] <touchy> hah
[09:03] <touchy> i have fibre in my house...
[09:03] <touchy> but it's a 10mbit connection over fibre
[09:03] <touchy> pathetic
[09:04] <zzarr> I'll be back, I have to help a person with a printer
[09:12] <touchy> i'll be back... need to help my gf with an orgasm....
[09:12] <touchy> haha
[09:19] <zzarr> touchy, that's another more personal development which you'd better keep in private ;-)
[09:20] <touchy> here is where i put a terribly aweful pun about ... "leaked info"
[09:20] <touchy> LOL
[09:20] <touchy> and genetic experiments
[09:21] <zzarr> :-)
[09:21] <zzarr> how much have you left on the download?
[09:23] <zzarr> I'm going to eat some lunch now, bbl
[09:44] <touchy> there's a lot left on that download
[09:56] <zzarr> I'm back now
[10:06] <ondra> plars should be OK, it just warning what keys are included
[11:36] <knightWork> anybody received his ubuntu tablet yet ?
[12:59] <mterry> seb128: no rush at all, but I just filed https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/geonames/translations/+merge/288443 which should make the timezone page nicer for non-English speakers.  Giving heads up since I know we're low on geonames reviewers and this is a big one
[13:01] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[13:01] <seb128> mterry, translations sounds nice to me as a french speaker ;-)
[13:02] <mterry> :)
[13:08] <seb128> mterry, 387M?
[13:08] <mterry> seb128: yeah...  :(
[13:08] <seb128> wth?
[13:08] <mterry> seb128: it's a lot of translations.  A lot of which, we don't end up using
[13:08] <mterry> seb128: we end up shipping about 15M of po files
[13:08] <seb128> how many cities do we include?
[13:09] <seb128> I wonder if we should shrink that list down
[13:09] <mterry> seb128: we use the cities15000.txt list
[13:09] <mterry> seb128: which is the biggest available
[13:09] <mterry> seb128: but a lot of the translations are for things like airports or wikipedia links etc
[13:10] <mterry> And each line has its own 10 digit id etc.  Lots of fluff there
[13:11] <seb128> seems quite an high cost for the service delivered
[13:11] <mterry> seb128: we don't need to shrink it down.  I think we end up shipping a reasonable sized package.  It's just the source tree that has a huge file.
[13:11] <seb128> how bigs are the .mo?
[13:11] <seb128> 15M?
[13:12] <mterry> seb128: 13M
[13:12] <mterry> (total)
[13:14] <seb128> mterry, total = all locales?
[13:14] <mterry> seb128: yes
[13:14] <seb128> oh ok, it's not too bad
[13:14] <seb128> I though you were saying the .po is 15M by locale
[13:14] <mterry> seb128: ah no.  :)  That would be rough
[13:14] <seb128> k, so yeah no big deal
[13:15] <seb128> having a big database in the vcs is not such an issue
[13:15] <mterry> seb128: although LP *hates* it  :)
[13:15] <seb128> :-/
[13:15] <mterry> But hopefully it's only real bad this one time
[13:15] <seb128> it would maybe have hating it less in git :p
[13:15] <mterry> And maybe anytime they update the file
[13:15] <seb128> hated
[13:16] <mterry> seb128: hey man, we have this lovely silo for testing now that we couldn't do in git
[13:16] <mterry> seb128: if you want to test the branch, silo 33
[13:17] <seb128> k
[13:17] <seb128> and yeah, I know for git
[13:17] <seb128> one day maybe ;-)
[13:18] <mterry> seb128: I had a couple u8 team members try the branch, since I'm an English-only speaker.  But your French eyes would be welcome too
[13:18] <seb128> k
[13:18] <seb128> I'm going to try to have a look but don't block on me please
[13:19] <seb128> I'm just back from holidays since yesterday and have quite some backlog and xenial desktop work
[13:24] <Guest29356> back
[13:24] <touchy> so yea....
[13:24] <touchy> one weird bug in Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus 5 seems to be  video playback from the camera
[13:25] <touchy> still pictures... fine
[13:25] <touchy> recording video.... fine ...
[13:25] <touchy> playing back the video that was recorded from the camera... failed
[13:26] <touchy> for some reason it complains about an unsupported video format
[13:28] <mterry> seb128: oh sure.  No need to block on you.  But if you can throw a reviewer at the MP at some point, that would be swell.  No real deadline
[13:28] <seb128> mterry, sure, thanks for working on that!
[13:28] <mterry> seb128: and welcome back  :)
[13:29] <touchy> once i get a development enviornment finally setup, i want to roll my own Nexus 5 build
[13:29] <dobey> touchy: video playback on n5 is not working well
[13:30] <dobey> touchy: why do you want to roll your own?
[13:30] <seb128> mterry, thanks ;-)
[13:30] <touchy> well, actually,...
[13:30] <touchy> the version that i rolled out would be a sort of ...   Kali Linux type flavor
[13:31] <touchy> it would likely also have a patched wifi driver as well...
[13:32] <touchy> or maybe i'll 3d print a new outer shell for it to give it access to an extra battery, microSD card and dual wifi adapters
[13:34] <touchy> i have access to a very nice  SLS 3d printer, and i am quite proficient at Solidworks
[13:39] <knightWork> I was thinking of throwing some money at an old laptop to play around with Ubuntu a bit , but i'm gonna save it up for the ubuntu tablet i guess
[13:52] <touchy> why not just get a decent x86 tablet and run ubuntu on it ?
[13:52] <touchy> it would be about the same i think
[13:52] <touchy> unless you want a nice thin sexy slate
[14:14] <knightWork> touchy: what would you suggest using ?
[14:14] <touchy> depends on budget really
[14:14] <touchy> tbh, Raspberry Pi3 hardware looks pretty damn good
[14:15] <knightWork> true.
[14:15] <touchy> if someone would want to port Ubuntu Touch to Raspberry Pi3 hardware, i would make a very nice 3d printable case for it :)
[14:16] <touchy> i have a laptop case i designed...er... sort of designed
[14:16] <touchy> i copied my own dell Insperion 7000 series notebook in solidoworks.... like 95%
[14:16] <touchy> changed the hinges a bit so they didn't need mechanical (metalic ones with springs)
[14:17] <touchy> making a tablet would take about a day of playing with solidworks...or FreeCAD
[14:17] <knightWork> hmm. i'm not gonna go that far I think :)
[14:17] <touchy> btw...
[14:18] <touchy> anyone ever configured  Lighttpd for CGI/FastCGI  ?
[14:18] <touchy> seems to be working, but every time i try to access a python file it attempts to download it and not execute it
[14:19] <touchy> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1346/how-to-get-python-to-work-with-lighttpd#
[14:25] <dobey> lol
[14:25] <dobey> "get an x86 tablet" "raspberry pi3 looks good"
[14:26] <dobey> i think with raspi you can just use the generic arm build and install "unity8-desktop-session-mir" to get unity8 on it
[14:31] <touchy> probably
[14:31] <bregma_> I think the constraining factor for running Unity 8 on the Pi is the lack of open graphics driver support so Mir can be made to work
[14:31] <touchy> but will that include drivers for the GPU?
[14:31] <touchy> yea
[14:31] <bregma_> the binary Android blobs don;t quite cut the muster
[14:31] <touchy> well, here's an intesting idea...
[14:32] <touchy> why not recreate the Ubuntu Touch UI in HTML5
[14:32] <touchy> hah
[14:32] <touchy> i did that with Android 4.01 a long time ago
[14:32] <touchy> brb
[14:32] <touchy> need to restart
[14:33] <ogra_> bregma, well, after all there are plans to support grapics on snappy on the rpi
[14:34] <ogra_> i'm assuming that will be Mir and not Xorg
[14:34] <bregma> yep, there are plans to get Mir up and running, we just haven't accomplished those plans yet
[14:34] <ogra_> we need the free drivers backported
[14:34] <ogra_> they arent in our current kernel ...
[14:34] <ogra_> well, parts are ... but not all of it
[14:35] <bregma> if anyone is looking for an interesting project, that would be helpful
[14:35]  * dobey has too many interesting projects already
[14:35] <dobey> and not so interesting ones
[14:35] <ogra_> drop the not so interesting ones ;)
[14:37] <dobey> that would be nice
[14:41] <jabawok> just incase it was lost in the backlog - i'm asking for help with a mir problem - specifically running xmir within a chroot
 Then when i try running an X app within the chroot, Xmir throws: failed to create a surface: Error processing request: An output ID must be specified
[14:42] <jabawok> if anyone has any clues i'd be very grateful
[14:43] <jabawok> i've passed mir_socket through into the chroot with a bind mount, but really dont know if thats the right or wrong way to do it
[14:51] <dobey> jabawok: what device are you on?
[14:51] <stakewinner00> I have no microphone on PC, there is some way i can use the ubuntu phone microphone, and send it to my computer device?
[14:52] <dobey> stakewinner00: not trivially or easily, but maybe possible since pulseaudio is used on both
[14:52] <stakewinner00> i know it's not eassy, for this reason i ask xD
[14:54] <dobey> stakewinner00: pulseaudio can theoretically send data over network to another pulseaudio; i'm not sure how much of that is usable on the phone image though
[14:54] <dobey> or how exactly to configure it to do what you want, but "remote pulseaudio" is probably a decent search query to use :)
[14:54] <stakewinner00> mmm i didn't know that, will search it on the internet
[15:06] <jabawok> dobey: e5hd
[15:07] <touchy> back
[15:07] <touchy> finally fixed Lighttpd's  CGI config
[15:07] <touchy> back in business now
[15:08] <touchy> *grin*
[15:10] <ogra_> bregma, hmm, why is ContainersConfig.json a symlink to readonly space ... wouldnt make it more sense if the file was just copied so a user can actually do something usable with libertine-container-manager ?
[15:14] <bregma> ogra_, yes it would
[15:15] <bregma> ChrisTownsend, is there a reason for that, or can we just change it? ^^^
[15:15] <ogra_> i guess you could have a little script in /etc/init/boot-hooks/ to handle upgrading
[15:16] <ogra_> (to merge user changes with chnages of the shipped container)
[15:16] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: ogra_: The reason it's a symlink is because if I have an update to ContainersConfig.json in the Puritine click, we need to keep it in sync.
[15:17] <ogra_> right, thats clear
[15:17] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: lol, well, I haven't done that work...yet, but it hasn't been a priority either.
[15:17] <ogra_> but you only need to maintain upgrades of the custom tarball, so only one json block
[15:18] <ogra_> would be a bit of scriptery indeed (split the user config ... add the new purtine bits and merge it with the user config )
[15:18] <ogra_> hmm
[15:18] <ogra_> or cant you source one json file from another ?
[15:19]  * bregma needs a JSON expert
[15:19] <ogra_> similar to config.d dirs :)
[15:19] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Yep, I have plans to do something like that in the back of my mind and we even discussed, but it we punted for another time.
[15:19] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Hmm, sourcing...
[15:19] <ogra_> i guess as soon as the tablet comes out people will start to try to do that :)
[15:20] <ogra_> apt installing their own stuff
[15:20] <bregma> I'd say let's open a bug to track the issue and maybe it'll get fixed in time for OTA 11
[15:20] <ogra_> and we'll end with tons of debvices that were made writable
[15:20] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: Right
[15:21] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Users who apt install their own stuff are going to be sorely disappointed for the time being.
[15:21] <ogra_> you think so ?
[15:22] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: First, they can only do that via command line.  Second, the App scope will not pick up new apps, so they will have to do some hacky .desktop dancing.  Third, it's quite possible the app won't work at all anyways.
[15:22] <ogra_> user who do that are tinkering anyway
[15:23] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Yeah, so they should be able to figure out the JSON stuff;-)
[15:23] <ogra_> (it would just be good if they would tinker in their own container i think)
[15:24] <ogra_> the current setup kind of encourages to just modify the existing container ... wich will likely cause even more issues
[15:24] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Agreed.  The puritine container can only be written into by sudo and the filesystem will need to be r/w.
[15:24] <ogra_> (people leaving the device writable for convenience and whatnot)
[15:25] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Folks making their own containers will come, but it's not ready imho.
[15:28] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ libertine-container-manager -v create -n foo -i foo
[15:28] <ogra_> ....
[15:28] <ogra_> ImportError: No module named 'libertine.LxcContainer'
[15:28] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
[15:28] <ogra_> yeah, you are right :P
[15:31] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: I have a fix for that already.  It just hasn't been released via the train yet.
[15:32] <ogra_> train ... narrow-gauge railway you mean :)
[15:32] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: lol
[15:33] <ogra_> oh, i used it wrong too ... (should indeed have been -t chroot)
[15:35] <tbnBuddha> hello. in which programming language are apps for ubuntu smartphones written? java?
[15:37] <ogra_> tbnBuddha, QML or HTML5 for the GUI parts, javascript and/or C++ for backend bits
[15:37] <tbnBuddha> oh
[15:37] <tbnBuddha> didn't expect that.
[15:38] <ogra_> there is also the #ubuntu-app-devel channel wheer you might find more app devs
[15:39] <tbnBuddha> thx for the hint
[15:39] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Yeah, but I have recently put in logic to automatically figure out the backend type if you leave out -t based on the running kernel version.
[15:40] <ogra_> so this time i got a proper chroot created
[15:40] <ogra_> using: libertine-container-manager -v create -n bar -i bar -t chroot -d xenial
[15:40] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Yep
[15:43] <ogra_> wow ... and install-package vlc just works
[15:54] <ogra_> libertine-launch doesnt thogh
[15:57] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: What do you mean?
[15:58] <ogra_> libertine-launch bar /usr/bin/vlc ... gets me a DISPLAY error
[15:59] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15632220/
[15:59] <ogra_> ah
[15:59] <ogra_> most likely because i staert it from a ssh terminal
[15:59] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: That most definitely will not work.
[15:59] <ogra_> yeah, that just struck me :)
[16:00] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: You need to do some desktop file hackery to get it to work.  See /usr/share/applications/puritine* for examples.
[16:00] <ogra_> that Exec line is confusing :)
[16:01] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: The desktop file needs to be in the form of ${container_id}_${real_exec_name}_0.0.desktop
[16:01] <ogra_> ok
[16:01] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Yes, it's an awful hack.
[16:02] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: You can pin silo 56 to use the Libertine Scope.
[16:02] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Then no need for desktop hacks.
[16:03] <ogra_> hmm, it wont pick up a .desktop i put into ~/.local/share/applications ?
[16:03] <ogra_> oh
[16:04] <ogra_> silly me :P
[16:04] <ogra_> (it does, all fine)
[16:07] <ogra_> hmm, where do i find logs ?
[16:16] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: ~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-${container_id}_${appid})_0.0.log (or something like that.
[16:17] <ogra_> sadly not
[16:18] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ find . -name application-legacy*
[16:18] <ogra_> ./.cache/upstart/application-legacy-webbrowser-app-.log
[16:18] <ogra_> thats all
[16:22] <ogra_> i dont see logs for any of the libertine apps btw
[16:25] <touchy> i usually find logs in rivers
[16:25] <touchy> :)
[16:25] <touchy> or streams
[16:25] <touchy> data streams =D
[16:26] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Then it's not even getting to the point of launching the app.  Probably need to look in unity8.log for a clue.
[16:26] <ogra_> ChrisTownsend, well xchat or firefox run fine and dont produce any logs
[16:27] <ogra_> VLC shows me a splash and dies, xeyes and xteddy that i installed in the same container dont even show a splash
[16:27] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Those logs should exist when the app is running, but *something* cleans it up immediately after it exits.
[16:27]  * ogra_ tries
[16:27] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: I have no idea what does that and why.
[16:28] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ls .cache/upstart/application-legacy-puritine_firefox_0.0-.log
[16:28] <ogra_> .cache/upstart/application-legacy-puritine_firefox_0.0-.log
[16:28] <ogra_> yeah
[16:28]  * ogra_ blames tedg 
[16:28] <ogra_> must be the app launcher being over sensitive here
[16:29] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: I've only noticed it on frieza.  IS that what you are using?
[16:29] <ogra_> shhh ;)
[16:29] <ChrisTownsend> lol
[16:29] <ogra_> (yes)
[16:30] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: On mako, the logs stick around, so I think something different has been configured on the frieza, but I've no idea what.  Maybe some cron job or some other things that cleans up logs immediately.
[16:30] <tedg> It does that if you're not in developer mode.
[16:30] <tedg> The app task does itself.
[16:30] <ogra_> well, unlikely cron ... but some logrotate stuff most likely
[16:31] <tedg> I need to run, but if you look at the post-stop rule you can see what happens.
[16:31] <ChrisTownsend> Ah, developer mode.  I haven't set that on my frieza.
[16:31] <ogra_> yeah, you are right
[16:31] <ogra_> it keeps the logs in dev mode
[16:32] <ogra_> tedg, thanks !
[16:33] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Glad you blamed tedg:)
[16:33] <ogra_> wow, ebaling dev mode massively harms my ssh session
[16:33] <ogra_> *enabling
[16:33] <ogra_> it is all stuttery
[16:35] <ogra_> ondra, any idea whats up here ? seems adbd has some harmful influence to wifi on frieza
[16:36] <ondra> ogra_ really?
[16:36] <ogra_> yeah
[16:36] <ondra> ogra_ I'd not blame it on adbd, wifi is just *** in general
[16:36] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: I've noticed Wifi issues lately on my frieza as well.  Like http no longer works.
[16:36] <ondra> ogra_ even before adb landed
[16:36] <ogra_> well, if i turn off developer mode it is all fine
[16:37] <ondra> ogra_ really? ok that is strange
[16:37] <ogra_> as soon as i turn it on my keystrokes are all delayed in the ssh shell
[16:37] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: I should say http works for a bit then stalls and doesn't recover until I reset my Wifi connection.
[16:37] <ogra_> tunring it off again turns it back to normal
[16:38] <ogra_> wow ... "dmesg -w" is so fast that it is unreadable
[16:38] <ogra_> so many log events :/
[16:38] <ChrisTownsend> Hmm, mine isn't in developer mode with this issue.
[16:38] <ogra_> mine wasnt either til ted told me i need it for logs
[16:39] <ogra_> wow, the swapper is really noisy
[16:39] <ogra_> (in demsg)
[16:39] <ogra_> *dmesg
[16:39] <ondra> ogra_ adbd should not be logging at all
[16:39] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: I mean I have http/wifi issues even when I'm not in developer mode.
[16:39] <ogra_> ondra, thats not related to logging
[16:39] <ogra_> logging of libertine apps was just the reason why i turned on dev mode
[16:40] <ondra> ogra_ so ssh over wifi?
[16:40] <ogra_> and then notices tzhat my ssh shell got slow
[16:40] <ogra_> yeah
[16:40] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Have you seen the load average?
[16:40] <ondra> ogra_ just testing here and works fine
[16:40] <ogra_> weird
[16:40] <ondra> ogra_ what can I test?
[16:40] <ogra_> ChrisTownsend, old bug with MTK
[16:40] <ondra> ogra_ I'm conneted now
[16:40] <ogra_> ondra, i just tried to tab complete some logfiles
[16:40] <ondra> ogra_ and ssh is responsive
[16:41] <ogra_> and then delete some of the filename
[16:41] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Which bug is that?  Load averages over 10 doesn't seem like a Good Thing to me.
[16:41] <ogra_> and the deleting of chars was about 1-2sec delayed
[16:41] <ogra_> ChrisTownsend, must be somewhere in the arale bugs
[16:41] <ogra_> was never fixed
[16:42] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Ok, that just seems bad, but meh.
[16:42] <ogra_> yep
[16:43] <ondra> ogra_ so always get occasional delay over ssh, pretty much on any device I tested, and old or new adb, same
[16:43] <ogra_> ondra, well, i dont
[16:43] <ondra> ogra_ I was even developing new adb while connected over ssh/wifi on frieza, so defo quite OK here
[16:43] <ogra_> and i can toggle that with the dev mode switch in the UI
[16:43] <ondra> ogra_ so can you see adbd going crazy or something?
[16:44] <ogra_> nope
[16:45] <ondra> ogra_ hmm I switched dev mode off and now my ssh is a bit more laggy
[16:45] <ogra_> i wonder if starting adb somehow makes my device switch to another AP or so
[16:45] <ogra_> i have three APs with the same SSID to roam though the house
[16:45] <ondra> ogra_ well again not really more different than other time
[16:46] <ogra_> i havernt seen any lags at all with mine ... until i toggled the switch ffor the first time :)
[16:46] <ondra> ogra_ you know adb code, does not really touch any of it
[16:46] <ondra> ogra_ very strange
[16:46] <ogra_> the enabling code touches poperties
[16:46] <ondra> ogra_ OK experiment
[16:46] <ogra_> (we use the android init.rc for turning the gadget on/off)
[16:46] <ondra> ogra_ try to enable adb manually
[16:46] <ondra> ogra_ you can do that just with few echos
[16:47] <ondra> ogra_ and that would not explain why it goes normal when you switch dev mode off again
[16:47] <ogra_> note that i dont have any cable attached to the device
[16:47] <ogra_> perhaps that has some influence
[16:47] <ondra> ogra_ try to fire up adbd binary from your ssh session, if that has some impact
[16:48] <ondra> ogra_ testing without cable and still works fine here
[16:48] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo start android-tools-adbd
[16:48] <ogra_> start: Job is already running: android-tools-adbd
[16:48] <ogra_> hmm
[16:48] <ogra_> interesting
[16:48] <ogra_> the switch is off
[16:50] <ondra> ogra_ hmm what rom are you running? :)
[16:50] <ondra> ogra_ $ getprop ro.debuggable
[16:50] <ondra> ?
[16:51] <ondra> ogra_ $ getprop persist.sys.usb.config
[16:51] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$  getprop ro.debuggable
[16:51] <ogra_> 0
[16:51] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ getprop persist.sys.usb.config
[16:51] <ogra_> mtp
[16:51] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
[16:51] <ogra_> i'm on image 77 from ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris-pd.en
[16:51] <ondra> ogra_ is adbd running then?
[16:52] <ogra_> no, i just manually stopped it
[16:52] <ogra_> hmm
[16:52] <ondra> ogra_ I'm on 75
[16:52] <ogra_> and flicking the dev mode switch doesnt start itz
[16:52] <ogra_> that used to work
[16:54] <ondra> ogra_ remember, our upstart job is written way, it does not stop when switch persist.sys.usb.config= to non adbd
[16:54] <ondra> ogra_ something we may be should add there to "stop on"
[16:54] <ogra_> i remeber that i wrote a patch for that ... a century ago
[16:55] <ogra_> (though i cant remember if it ever landed)
[16:55] <ondra> ogra_ don't think it was ever there, not in master of that bzr branch
[16:55] <ogra_> we never used bzr branches, just the package
[16:55] <ogra_> did you create one ?
[16:55] <ondra> ogra_ no we use git now for it
[16:56] <ondra> ogra_ but there was defo bzr branch for android tools
[16:56] <ogra_> not one that we used
[16:56] <ogra_> in the old phonedations team
[16:56] <ogra_> android-tools was always directly maintained in the package
[16:57] <ondra> ogra_ you even have commits here :) https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/android-tools/wily
[16:57] <ogra_> the only possible bzr branches for that could have been UDD branches ... which were probably contantly outdated by ten versions
[16:57] <ogra_> ugh
[16:57] <ogra_> yeah, thats UDD
[16:58] <ogra_> are you sure you didnt roll back a gazillion of versions when you used that for an upload ?
[16:58] <ondra> ogra_ well you maintain 100 copies, don't wonder people get lost in them :)
[16:58] <ogra_> UDD was always broken and usually outdated
[16:58] <ondra> ogra_ I used what was in that bzr, but I did anyway general clean up
[16:58] <ogra_> yeah, that is why i still prefer the package as the autoritative source ;)
[16:59] <ogra_> right, but it can be that the last ten uploads werent synced into that branch
[16:59] <ondra> ogra_ and that bzr branch has last commit in 2015/10/05 so defo it's alive
[16:59] <ondra> ogra_ ot it was before we killed it now
[16:59] <ogra_> (not to say ... it is very likely they were not)
[17:03] <ogra_> ondra, note that UDD only operates on the archive ... none of the overlay uploads will show up there
[17:05] <ogra_> (the branch matches my last upload to vivid though)
[17:06] <ondra> ogra_ so code is up to date?
[17:06] <ondra> ogra_ to be honest I never seen that stop condition modified
[17:06] <ogra_> tghe UDD code matches the vivid archive ... but definitely not the overlay
[17:07]  * ogra_ is pretty sure there were some overlay only dputs 
[17:07] <ondra> ogra_ so just checked rootfs before abd landed, and there is "stop on runlevel [06]"
[17:07] <ogra_> but it is hard to do any forcensics on that i thinnk
[17:09] <ogra_> there was some interaction between the android-usb-state.conf job and the android-tools-adbd.conf jobs
[17:10] <ogra_> i dont see that anymore
[17:10] <ogra_> (so that adbd would be stopped when you remove the cable and re-started if you re-attach it
[17:10] <ogra_> )
[17:10] <ogra_> iirc the same thing landed in mtp and adbd
[17:11] <ogra_> stop on :sys:android-usb-disconnected or android-usb-disconnected ...
[17:11] <ogra_> something like that
[17:11] <ogra_> anyway
[17:25] <mterry> kenvandine: that no-default-value for MousePrimaryButton issue you ran into?  My fault, sorry.  Fix here if you want to review/test: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/fix-strings/+merge/291019
[17:26] <kenvandine> mterry, oh my!
[17:27] <kenvandine> i looked at that and thought it was right :)
[17:27] <mterry> kenvandine: yeah silly mistake on my part.  I also could have inserted single quotes around the default string.
[17:28] <kenvandine> mterry, when do you want to land that?
[17:28] <kenvandine> i'd like to land a fix removing my work around in settings with it
[17:28] <mterry> kenvandine: I don't care.  I don't think it exposes a current problem
[17:28] <kenvandine> right
[17:28] <kenvandine> not urgent... but i would like to remove my hack before i forget
[17:28] <mterry> kenvandine: I hand it off to you and your eventual silo then  :)
[17:28] <kenvandine> mterry, i'll handle landing it
[17:28] <kenvandine> mterry, thanks!
[17:30] <ogra_> kenvandine, mterry, are you guysw also responsible for the "physical keyboard layout" bit ?
[17:30] <mterry> I know ltinkl has been doing some work there
[17:31] <ogra_> while i can select a german layout, no matter which one i pick i cant get all keys to work ... well, mainly alt-gr ... which means no tilde, @ or | signs for me
[17:31] <mterry> ogra_: :-/  ask ltinkl in #ubuntu-unity
[17:32] <ogra_> will do
[17:36] <kenvandine> ogra_, jgdx did the settings work for that, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the layout working properly
[17:36] <kenvandine> ogra_, hopefully ltinkl can help
[18:06] <jgdx> ogra_, we don't expose any layout specific options. Is that what's lacking?
[18:06] <jgdx> or should it work out of the box?
[18:06] <ogra_> jgdx: no, not options, the alt-gr key is a default key on german keyboards
[18:07] <ogra_> i got the general äöüß ... but nothing that needs the altgr modifier like tilde, at, or the pipe sign
[18:08] <ogra_> it is 80% good :)
[18:09]  * ogra_ uses a logitech k480 with german layout ... i'm surprised none of our german devs has hit that issue yet
[18:09]  * ogra_ looks at mzanetti
[18:09] <ogra_> :)
[18:09] <jgdx> ogra_, right, not sure where in the stack that is. Let's start with mir. I'm marking bug 1565236 as confirmed for you
[18:09] <ubot5`> bug 1565236 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Spanish keyboard layout wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1565236
[18:11] <ogra_> jgdx: perfect, thats my bug
[18:25] <ogra_> ChrisTownsend: is there a way to hand over cmdline options to the libertine apps ?
[18:26] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Not easily.  The only way that I can think of is to modify the EXEC line of the .desktop file *inside* the container.
[18:31]  * ogra_ wonders what "Received an unknown 8 event" might mean
[18:32] <ogra_> (that is what i have in all the logs)
[18:33] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Yeah, I'm seeing that too which is a new behavior.
[18:33] <ogra_> oooh ... regarding your comment above .. can i only start apps that have a .desktop inside the container ?
[18:34] <ogra_> that would explain why xeyes and xteddy dont work
[18:34] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Yes, there has to be a desktop file inside as well.
[18:34] <ogra_> aha
[18:42] <ogra_> hmm, i wish i could squeeze some more info out ... all apps are segfaulting :(
[18:42] <ogra_> (log shows signal 11)
[18:46] <ogra_> oh, bah ... i should probably have picked vivid as distro for the container ... not xenial :P
[18:55] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Oh, right.  And since vivid is out of support, you'll need to use the "--force" option for create.
[18:55] <ogra_> it worked fine just omitting -d
[18:56] <ogra_> (or rather it works ... still bootstrapping)
[18:56] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Really?  I'm surprised, but as long as it worked.
[18:56] <ogra_> :)
[19:12] <ogra_> hmm ... failed with dpkg errors
[19:12]  * ogra_ tries -d vivid and --force
[19:30] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Are you running it via ssh/phablet-shell or terminal-app?
[19:31] <ogra_> terminal app this time
[19:31] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Bah, I ran into that issue.  It's due to terminal-app's confinement.
[19:31] <ogra_> ok
[19:31]  * ogra_ ssh's to localhost
[19:32] <ChrisTownsend> :)
[19:34] <ogra_> thanks for teh hint
[19:35] <ChrisTownsend> Sure thing
[19:41] <ba2095> Hello, guys! Release notes for OTA-10(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-10) mention 2 tablets: frieza & cooler, but images section - only one. This two are M10's FHD & HD, right?
[19:43] <ogra_> i guess they use the same image
[19:49] <ogra_> hmm, that looks better but vlc fails to start due to a missing dbus socket it seems
[19:51] <ogra_> hah, gnome mplayer starts
[19:53] <dobey> are we forwarding the bus, or starting a private session bus, for libertine stuff?
[19:56] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: We have a dbus session bridge that basically creates and bind-mounts a new socket and DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS that points to that socket in the container and bridges that over to the true sessions abstract socket.
[19:58] <dobey> that is going to be "fun"
[19:58] <dobey> either way i guess it will result in plenty of broken applications
[19:58] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: It actually works fairly well, but yeah, there will probably be some apps that don't like it.
[20:00] <dobey> well i presume it can't activate things that are installed in the container, for example
[20:10] <ogra_> hmm, seems vlc actually wants to run dbus-launch
[20:24] <ogra_> weird .. so i get a host_dbus_session0 file for firefox ... but not for vlc in my own container
[20:29] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Is firefox still running?  If not, is host_dbus_session0 still there?
[20:30] <ogra_> no, it gets properly removed when teh app stops
[20:31] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Hmm, ok.  Does the upstart log show anything when you try to start vlc?
[20:31] <ogra_> according to the log vlc actually looks for it
[20:31] <ogra_> yes, it looks for that socket file and then dies because it cant find it
[20:31] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Hmm, I wonder if libertine-session-bridge is dying for some reason.
[20:31] <ogra_> (in /run/user/32011/libertine)
[20:32] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Yeah, that's right.
[20:32] <ogra_> i have gnome-mplayer in teh same container ... that runs fine (but doesnt use dbus and doesnt play any videos)
[20:33] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Hmm, I'm thinking about how to debug this.
[20:33] <ogra_> i see the socket for a running gnome-mplayer
[20:34] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: I'm wondering if there is something that libertine-session-bridge doesn't like and errors or crashes out when using vlc.
[20:35] <ogra_> yeah
[20:35] <ogra_> but that must happen very early ... the complaint about dbus is the first thing vlc prints in the log
[20:37] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Well, I *thought* libertine-session-bridge issues were printed in the application log, but I must be wrong.  I'll do a bit of digging and see what I can come up with.
[20:37] <ogra_> no hurry, i'm really just playing around
[20:38] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Sure, but it sounds like a bug and one we will have to address sooner or later.
[20:38] <ogra_> yep
[20:38] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: I can't remember, but is /var/crash utilized on the phone?
[20:39] <ogra_> yeah
[20:39] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Anything in there?
[20:39] <ogra_> nothing current, no
[20:40] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: Hmm, ok.  WEll, it was a thought
[20:40] <ogra_> (there are a few from my tinkering this afternoon, but nothing thats newer than 5h)
[20:46]  * ogra_ gives up on it for today