| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| seb128 | good morning desktops | 06:45 |
|---|---|---|
| pitti | Good morning | 06:51 |
| seb128 | hey pitti ;-) | 06:52 |
| larsu | seb128: no good morning for the laptops? | 07:32 |
| larsu | :P | 07:32 |
| larsu | morning everyone! | 07:32 |
| pitti | hey larsu, wie gehts? | 07:32 |
| larsu | pitti: morgen! Sehr gut. War gerade beim Fitness und bin durch die Sonne zurück gefahren. Im Shirt!!! | 07:33 |
| larsu | wie gehts dir? | 07:33 |
| pitti | larsu: prima, danke! keine Sonne mehr heute, aber immer noch warm | 07:34 |
| larsu | schade :( | 07:34 |
| seb128 | larsu, hey :-) | 07:34 |
| seb128 | bah | 07:35 |
| seb128 | it's sunny here as well but they forecast rain starting midday for the afternoon/evening | 07:35 |
| larsu | don't believe the forecast! | 07:39 |
| seb128 | that's right | 07:40 |
| seb128 | well for now I see blue sky and sun so I'm happy ;-) | 07:40 |
| willcooke | morning all | 07:54 |
| Sweet5hark | moin | 07:54 |
| willcooke | morning Sweet5hark | 07:56 |
| Sweet5hark | willcooke: heya | 07:57 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke Sweet5hark | 08:01 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: how is it going? are you at a/that sprint btw? | 08:03 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, I'm doing well thanks, got mostly over the holidays backlog and back on track for 16.04 I think ... and no, no hackfest for me, getting a week to get some work done before holidays and travelling for the planning sprint | 08:04 |
| seb128 | what about you? | 08:04 |
| Sweet5hark | trying to get my back back it shape -- it was hurting badly recent days, its better now. as for work: xenial looks all well AFAICS -- lets see how stuff will get amazing after that ;) | 08:07 |
| pitti | hey Sweet5hark | 08:07 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: urgh, good luck with your back, that sounds scary | 08:07 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: too much exercise or too much sitting? | 08:07 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: too much bad sitting apparently and then hurt myself by being too hard on myself when swimming. | 08:09 |
| Sweet5hark | ... but jogging helps. doing that daily now. | 08:09 |
| === Drac0 is now known as Guest80277 | ||
| * Laney is free | 08:54 | |
| Laney | free from the dmb | 08:54 |
| seb128 | Laney, congrats? ;-) | 08:59 |
| seb128 | and hey! | 08:59 |
| seb128 | still enjoying London? | 08:59 |
| larsu | dmb? | 09:04 |
| davidcalle | @dekstopers, hi, I'm looking for an ubiquity slideshow slide (the Gnome Software one), where is it located? | 09:06 |
| meetingology | davidcalle: Error: "dekstopers," is not a valid command. | 09:06 |
| willcooke | hey davidcalle | 09:07 |
| willcooke | davidcalle, have you got the ubiquity source downloaded already? | 09:08 |
| davidcalle | willcooke: nope, I was expecting to find it somewhere on my xenial system :) | 09:08 |
| seb128 | larsu, devmemberboard, the group that grants e.g upload rights | 09:09 |
| willcooke | davidcalle, https://launchpad.net/ubiquity | 09:09 |
| willcooke | err | 09:09 |
| willcooke | wrong | 09:09 |
| willcooke | davidcalle, correct link: https://launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu | 09:10 |
| larsu | seb128: thanks :) | 09:10 |
| seb128 | larsu, yw! | 09:10 |
| willcooke | davidcalle, then: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/slideshows/ubuntu/slides | 09:10 |
| willcooke | usc.html | 09:11 |
| seb128 | davidcalle, willcooke, did we get an agreement on what to use there? | 09:11 |
| davidcalle | willcooke: perfect, thanks :) | 09:11 |
| davidcalle | seb128: not sure. But on my end, I just need a nice screenshot ;) | 09:11 |
| willcooke | seb128, seems to still be pending. I went with not mentioned g-s at all and instead talking about "access to the store" | 09:11 |
| willcooke | davidcalle, if those screenshots are too small we can find you a better one | 09:12 |
| willcooke | davidcalle, e.g. http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/g-s.png | 09:13 |
| davidcalle | willcooke: this one is perfect, thanks! | 09:13 |
| willcooke | nw | 09:13 |
| seb128 | willcooke, davidcalle, didn't we get those screenshots updated some weeks ago? | 09:13 |
| willcooke | seb128, yeah | 09:14 |
| seb128 | ah | 09:14 |
| seb128 | davidcalle is looking for a screenshot, not at changing the current one? | 09:14 |
| davidcalle | seb128: yeah, I jsut need a screenshot matching roughly how we are presenting Gnome software to users | 09:15 |
| seb128 | k, gotcha | 09:15 |
| Laney | hey seb128 | 10:04 |
| Laney | yeah! | 10:04 |
| Laney | raining today though | 10:04 |
| * Laney might actually look at g-s itself | 10:05 | |
| Laney | noticed the list of nominees to the TB | 10:06 |
| Laney | lots of good candidates there ;-) | 10:06 |
| didrocks | where is this list? (hey Laney!) | 10:10 |
| Laney | didrocks: on the tb list | 10:11 |
| seb128 | on planet ubuntu as well | 10:11 |
| didrocks | oh right, this was posted | 10:11 |
| didrocks | ah, the fridge, I probably bypassed it :) | 10:12 |
| seb128 | Laney, good candidates, rrrright | 10:12 |
| seb128 | wonder who nominated those! | 10:12 |
| Laney | teehee | 10:15 |
| cyphermox | morning | 10:59 |
| willcooke | hey cyphermox | 10:59 |
| seb128 | hey cyphermox! | 11:12 |
| cyphermox | hey :) | 11:14 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, did you see that awe seemed to have found the issue with new nm and vpn? | 11:26 |
| cyphermox | great | 11:30 |
| willcooke | urgh. Another odd bug in terminal | 11:53 |
| willcooke | open a few tabs, cd to somewhere with a longish path | 11:53 |
| willcooke | then drag that tab out of the window and don't let go of the button | 11:53 |
| * flocculant did that and is pleased it looks as expected here :p | 11:58 | |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| flexiondotorg | Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/compiz/fix-1559371/+merge/289588 | 12:08 |
| * Trevinho checks | 12:08 | |
| Trevinho | flexiondotorg: I'd really love to have the client fixed though... Also changing the mate.ini later couldn't cause the setting not to be updated by upgraders? | 12:12 |
| willcooke | seb128, just noticed the padding on the bluetooth window (for example) is gone again. Didn't we already fix that? I think it was an u/s bug? | 12:13 |
| willcooke | maybe it was called a wizard screen? | 12:13 |
| seb128 | willcooke, wfm, where do you see it? | 12:14 |
| willcooke | a new 16.04 install from the daily iso yesterday | 12:14 |
| seb128 | if I go to the bluetooth panel and click the "+" button the new dialog has space between the buttons and border | 12:14 |
| flexiondotorg | Trevinho, I'd like the client fixed too. But small team, little time and no obvious solution. This winrule is the best we have. | 12:15 |
| Trevinho | flexiondotorg: I understand, you tried to check what happens if that mate.ini option is removed? Is the option unset (for future use case) | 12:16 |
| seb128 | willcooke, it was a gtk bug that got fixed, the patch is still there afaik and wfm | 12:16 |
| flexiondotorg | Trevinho, Compiz is not enable by default in Ubuntu MATE. It can be optionally enabled via MATE Tweak. | 12:17 |
| flexiondotorg | New activations will use whatever the mate.ini provides. | 12:17 |
| willcooke | seb128, ah, buttons look ok actually. Seems to be the text on the left: http://imgur.com/glJoTXC | 12:17 |
| flexiondotorg | But MATE Tweak also has a button to reset Compiz to mate.ini defaults, should an updated mate.ini be released. | 12:18 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I can't confirm here but my virtualbox has no bluetooth and my system is in french so not having the same labels lead to a layout things differently | 12:26 |
| willcooke | I dont think its that big a deal, I'll see if I can fix it | 12:28 |
| seb128 | thanks | 12:28 |
| seb128 | I'm unsure it's a theming issue though | 12:28 |
| seb128 | you had another example of dialog last time iirc | 12:29 |
| seb128 | what was it? something with nm? | 12:29 |
| willcooke | yeah, I thnk it was vpns or something | 12:29 |
| willcooke | I'll see if I get time | 12:29 |
| willcooke | nw | 12:29 |
| seb128 | ah, right | 12:30 |
| seb128 | adding a mobile connection | 12:30 |
| seb128 | k, I can confirm in that dialog | 12:30 |
| seb128 | I've a feeling it's due to https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/gtk/ui/gtkassistant.ui?id=9c39232ab399eb3138fa4924b6072c3d340c215e | 12:32 |
| darkxst | willcooke, are you guys considering rebranding gnome-software this late in the cycle? atleast that is the impression I got from Michaels email | 12:32 |
| willcooke | mhall119, can I get a copy of that email? | 12:34 |
| seb128 | darkxst, "rebranding"? | 12:35 |
| davidcalle | seb128: where does the feature app comes from in gnome software? Gnome server somewhere? | 12:35 |
| seb128 | there are discussions about the wording of the ubiquity slide | 12:35 |
| seb128 | davidcalle, I don't know, but we have people at a hackfest who know and are working on changing that list I think ... why? please don't dup work by looking also at doing similar changes | 12:36 |
| seb128 | davidcalle, in any case please talk to Laney on this channel, he mentioned that on the first day of the hackfest so I guess he's the person to talk to about those changes | 12:37 |
| davidcalle | seb128: I'm not, no worries, just looking if there was a way to change this featured app locally. Nothing related with the wider GNome Software discussion ;) | 12:37 |
| darkxst | willcooke, i sent you a copy | 12:38 |
| seb128 | willcooke, we might need something like https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/theme/Adwaita/_common.scss#n225 ? | 12:38 |
| seb128 | davidcalle, k, Laney can help you with that I think | 12:38 |
| davidcalle | thanks | 12:38 |
| seb128 | darkxst, there are discussions about the wording of the slide as just said and maybe naming of the .desktop under Unity | 12:39 |
| willcooke | darkxst, ta | 12:39 |
| seb128 | darkxst, no changing of the look/branding of the software | 12:39 |
| darkxst | seb128, thats fine, and not I would consider rebranding | 12:39 |
| mhall119 | willcooke: darkxst: which email? | 12:43 |
| seb128 | willcooke, if you play with css maybe look if something around the | 12:44 |
| seb128 | GtkAssistant { | 12:44 |
| seb128 | .sidebar GtkLabel { | 12:44 |
| seb128 | padding: 6px; | 12:44 |
| seb128 | would fix it? | 12:44 |
| darkxst | mhall119, the snap email, where you suggested gnome-software might be rebranded, but apparently that is not the case actually | 12:45 |
| mhall119 | darkxst: ok, that. It's actually not branded "GNOME Software" right now, it's just "Software", we put that in because we weren't sure how it was going to be called | 12:47 |
| larsu | the "using packages from other distributions" section on https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading could use some clarification: the url should probably say ~<lp_name>/<ppa_name>/ubuntu/<a ubuntu suite> | 12:49 |
| larsu | at least it confused me :) | 12:49 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: OMG an upgrade and it seems to be working this can't be right :) | 12:50 |
| willcooke | davmor2, It'll never last. | 12:51 |
| willcooke | quick pull the plug | 12:51 |
| darkxst | mhall119, ok, so long as its only Unity specific desktop files, I couldnt care what you call it | 12:51 |
| darkxst | we have already made our slideshows, and our users are expect GNOME "Software" not some other name ;) | 12:53 |
| mhall119 | darkxst: I think this was more a case of the community team not knowing what name to use for it than anything | 12:53 |
| seb128 | larsu, open a bug against launchpad ;-) | 12:54 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: it's got time to break on the mokutil yet something to blame cyphermox for again cause you know how he likes me to blame him for stuff :) | 12:54 |
| mhall119 | since we've always heard it called "GNOME Software" but the app itself only uses the name "Software" | 12:54 |
| mhall119 | and we know that non-GNOME flavors are also using it | 12:54 |
| cyphermox | what what ? mokutil broken? | 12:54 |
| darkxst | mhall119, all the core GNOME apps are like that | 12:54 |
| larsu | seb128: thanks, will do (didn't know where the correct place would be...) | 12:54 |
| mhall119 | darkxst: yeah, it causes some confusion :) | 12:55 |
| seb128 | darkxst, not really, we don't have "GNOME gedit" or "GNOME nautilus" | 12:56 |
| darkxst | seb128, ok all the newer GNOME apps are like that | 12:56 |
| darkxst | photos, maps, music, logs, etc | 12:56 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| seb128 | right, I don't think we include any of those on Unity default install atm | 12:57 |
| larsu | seb128: done, #1566839 | 12:57 |
| seb128 | larsu, danke | 12:57 |
| darkxst | and then the oddball epiphany => web | 12:58 |
| darkxst | but its all just desktop file tinkering | 12:59 |
| darkxst | and the lack of security support makes the latter rather irrelevant I guess | 13:00 |
| seb128 | yeah | 13:00 |
| darkxst | otherwise it would be a really nice browser | 13:00 |
| davmor2 | cyphermox: not yet | 13:11 |
| davmor2 | cyphermox: is the kernel code in play now that disables the modules if secureboot isn't enabled | 13:13 |
| cyphermox | davmor2: not yet | 13:13 |
| davmor2 | cyphermox: right thanks | 13:14 |
| flexiondotorg | TheMuso, Thanks for the a11y work. | 13:45 |
| flexiondotorg | Can I just confirm what packages I need to seed? | 13:45 |
| flexiondotorg | TheMuso, just a11y-profile-manager and a11y-profile-manager-indicator? | 13:47 |
| willcooke | flexiondotorg, might be better by email, he's UTC+12 | 13:52 |
| flexiondotorg | willcooke, Ah. OK, thanks :-) | 13:52 |
| andyrock | willcooke: looks like we don't need to modify any unity code to support alt+space | 13:54 |
| andyrock | we just need to modify the key binding | 13:54 |
| willcooke | andyrock, sweet! How about the two modifiers issue? Are we stuck there? | 13:54 |
| andyrock | willcooke: ccsm partially support them | 13:55 |
| willcooke | if so I will see what the alternatives are from design etc | 13:55 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Hi Martin! Regression from yesterday's fontconfig upload. Can you please take a look at bug #1566651. | 13:55 |
| ubot5` | bug 1566651 in fontconfig (Ubuntu) "Blurry fonts after update to fontconfig 2.11.1-0ubuntu9" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566651 | 13:55 |
| andyrock | also i experiences some problems showing that menu with alt+super | 13:55 |
| andyrock | *ed | 13:55 |
| willcooke | andyrock, partially meaning that it will be really buggy and crap? | 13:55 |
| willcooke | right | 13:55 |
| willcooke | oki | 13:55 |
| willcooke | lemme see if I can get a better choice then... | 13:56 |
| andyrock | like if you press two times super+alt you can get stuck with that menu | 13:56 |
| andyrock | :D | 13:56 |
| willcooke | erk | 13:56 |
| willcooke | oki | 13:56 |
| andyrock | willcooke: the branch for lp:hud has already been proposed I'll finish the bamf one today | 13:57 |
| andyrock | do you have the bug number? | 13:57 |
| willcooke | andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1551986 | 13:57 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1551986 in unity (Ubuntu Xenial) "HUD hotkey assignment is suboptimal" [Undecided,In progress] | 13:57 |
| andyrock | thx | 13:57 |
| davmor2 | willcooke, cyphermox: see what did I say no mok-util trigger on upgrade for intel-microcode :'( I blame cyphermox I'll try it on nvidia hardware and see what happens there though now that I know that upgrades are at least working | 14:27 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, Trevinho, andyrock, saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1566878 ? | 14:27 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1566878 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Alt-backtick regression" [Undecided,New] | 14:27 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, the bug states it's due to the recent xserver update | 14:27 |
| Trevinho | nope... | 14:27 |
| cyphermox | davmor2: on upgrade for intel-microcode? | 14:27 |
| cyphermox | you mean upgrading from trusty? | 14:27 |
| davmor2 | cyphermox: install trusty, install intel-microcode, upgrade to 16.04 | 14:28 |
| cyphermox | right, no | 14:28 |
| cyphermox | intel-microcode doesn't seem to need dkms | 14:29 |
| andyrock | seb128: backtick? | 14:29 |
| davmor2 | cyphermox: but it is the only driver that gets installed for 3rd party drivers on 16.04 and that triggers it unless it is like mp3 codec or something crazy | 14:29 |
| seb128 | andyrock, the key on left of 1 (top of tab) | 14:30 |
| seb128 | andyrock, the one to switch between wins of the active application | 14:30 |
| cyphermox | fglrx? | 14:30 |
| Trevinho | andyrock: alt+\ :) | 14:31 |
| Trevinho | or alt grave.. | 14:31 |
| Trevinho | for us keys | 14:31 |
| andyrock | ah yeah | 14:31 |
| andyrock | sorry | 14:31 |
| andyrock | :D | 14:31 |
| Trevinho | Well, tjaalton there might be some changes in xkb code? | 14:31 |
| Trevinho | as it's the one we use to figure out which key is above tab | 14:32 |
| tjaalton | seb128, Trevinho: hrm, i'll have a look later | 14:37 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/251848437/xorg-server_2%3A1.18.1-1ubuntu4_2%3A1.18.3-1ubuntu1.diff.gz | 14:38 |
| tjaalton | ppa:canonical-x/x-staging has had 1.18.2+fixes for several weeks, weird if noone else sees that | 14:39 |
| tjaalton | 1.18.3 adds only a commit or two on top of the ppa | 14:48 |
| tjaalton | i guess that shortcut is kbd layout specific? | 14:49 |
| seb128 | yes | 14:49 |
| willcooke | andyrock, what do you think about alt-super-space for window controls? | 14:51 |
| willcooke | might be confusing I guess | 14:51 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, do you have any idea about bug #1565522? Mikkel is one of the njpatel time unity devs if you knew/remember him ;-) | 14:52 |
| ubot5` | bug 1565522 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "No menu bar in gtk apps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1565522 | 14:52 |
| Trevinho | seb128: yeah, i do know him | 14:53 |
| andyrock | willcooke: too big? but i'm now a designer | 14:53 |
| andyrock | should not conflict with other stuf | 14:53 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: ah, is there anything to sponsor? or should we revert the change for now? | 14:58 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, k, unsure if that's a really issue but it would be nice to at least follow up on the bug | 14:59 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Nothing to sponsor yet. That issue would be resolved with 2.11.94, so I'd like your view (again). | 14:59 |
| Trevinho | seb128: sure, I think it's a duplicate of anohter one we're getting... It seems like a race though | 15:01 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: well, it hasn't changed much; if even one patch does such damage, there's little reason to believe that taking 50 more patches is regression free | 15:01 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, well, you at least have somebody who knows how to follow debug intructions if you need some info ;-) | 15:01 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: that said, upgrading is not off the table, but there's a lot more QA to be done there than just "crossing fingers" | 15:01 |
| Trevinho | sure... | 15:01 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: Mingye suggested some comparison script, that looks like a good start | 15:02 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: I rather think that the commits are too interdependent to be cherry picked. | 15:02 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, pitti, 2.11.1 is the current stable version, .94 is an unstable one ... seems late for such changes without a good rational? | 15:02 |
| pitti | seb128: well, my point :) (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1556457/comments/18) | 15:03 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1556457 in fontconfig (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Demilight (OS/2 weight=350) confuses fontconfig" [High,Fix released] | 15:03 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Yeah, if I understand it correctly, Mingye's script would check for proper weigths. | 15:03 |
| pitti | still, I think if someone can come up with a convincing plan to test this across fonts/glyphs/locales/desktops, it'd be okay, but this is a high-risk update | 15:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, right, I was just throwing in that 11.1 is the current stable and .9x are unstable versions since their versionning is a bit confusing | 15:04 |
| GunnarHj | pitti, seb128: What triggered this was the switch for Chinese from fonts-droid to fonts-noto-cjk. 2.11.1 is simply not ready for all the fonts weights in fonts-noto-cjk. | 15:04 |
| seb128 | :-/ | 15:05 |
| seb128 | blame happyaron! | 15:05 |
| * happyaron hummmmm... | 15:06 | |
| GunnarHj | seb128, pitti: If you talk to the upstream fontconfig developers, they have left 2.11.1 behind long ago. "Ancient". So we should probably not take the distinction between stable and development too seriously. | 15:06 |
| * happyaron goes to his bed | 15:07 | |
| seb128 | happyaron, night! | 15:07 |
| seb128 | happyaron, sorry was teasing you, it's a side effect of the change to use fonts-noto-cjk but you are not the only responsible for that transition ;-) | 15:08 |
| happyaron | yeah I know, :p | 15:09 |
| pitti | so, no idea here -- damned if you do, damned if you don't | 15:10 |
| seb128 | yeah :-/ | 15:10 |
| GunnarHj | pitti, seb128: Yeah, it may be high risk, but the risk for a regression wrt Chinese rendering is 100% if we don't do anything. | 15:10 |
| willcooke | larsu, do you have a German kbd layout? If so, can you tell me where you / key is? | 15:11 |
| willcooke | your | 15:11 |
| willcooke | is it on 7? | 15:11 |
| pitti | willcooke: Shift+7 | 15:11 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, pitti, just as a data point, seems that fedora is on 2.11.94 so at least that version got some testing | 15:11 |
| larsu | willcooke: I don't, but it's on the 7 | 15:11 |
| willcooke | thanks pitti | 15:11 |
| larsu | pitti beat me to it. Of course :) | 15:12 |
| willcooke | cheers larsu | 15:12 |
| pitti | it's been a long time since I had a German keyboard, but my wife still has one :) | 15:12 |
| GunnarHj | seb128, pitti: Right, we would certainly not be first. Also Arch Linux (and some more, don't remember...). | 15:12 |
| seb128 | willcooke, just for info you can add a german layout and click the keyboard icon then to see the keyboard drawing with the symbols | 15:13 |
| seb128 | in unity-control-center | 15:13 |
| willcooke | thanks seb128 | 15:13 |
| seb128 | yw! | 15:13 |
| GunnarHj | seb128, pitti: Arch Linux upgraded to 2.11.94 for this same reason. | 15:13 |
| willcooke | andyrock, thinking alt-; for window controls. It's in the same place on most kbds and not far from space. Asking design and Mark to advise.... | 15:16 |
| GunnarHj | pitti, seb128: I could try to make use of Mingye's test script together with Mingye tomorrow. (Suspect he is sleeping now.) | 15:18 |
| willcooke | andyrock, looking at your mps - tests as well, nice! | 15:19 |
| GunnarHj | pitti, seb128: At the same time, wouldn't it be advisable to get 2.11.94 into the archive ASAP, so we have some time for the community/testers to provide feedback? | 15:19 |
| happyaron | GunnarHj: he never sleep at this moment | 15:20 |
| pitti | GunnarHj, seb128: either that, or a call for testing (flavors times locales) with the PPA | 15:20 |
| pitti | although I guess the more probable outcome will be that we do upgrade | 15:20 |
| pitti | and we can revert back to 2.11.1 in the worst case | 15:20 |
| happyaron | GunnarHj: well, a senior high student with quite a lot motivation | 15:20 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Right, reverting would be easy . | 15:21 |
| happyaron | go to my bed really this time... | 15:21 |
| pitti | I went over the other commits in 2.11.94 and almost all of them are bug fix-y | 15:21 |
| GunnarHj | happyaron: Then I'll try to reach him. | 15:21 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: So, are you ready to take the chance? | 15:22 |
| pitti | I feel like getting my arm twisted, but I don't see a lot of other options | 15:22 |
| pitti | seb128: WDYT? | 15:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, I think I would go for the update, it's relatively easy to revert if needed | 15:23 |
| pitti | seb128: i. e. do you object to update+call for testing+revert to 2.11.94 on regressions? any better idea? | 15:23 |
| seb128 | it's likely going to be the most maintainable solution for a LTS | 15:23 |
| seb128 | cherry pick of random patches might backfire | 15:23 |
| GunnarHj | pitti, seb128: Where would we post a call for testing? | 15:24 |
| seb128 | ubuntu-devel@list | 15:24 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Ok. | 15:24 |
| seb128 | happyaron, night | 15:24 |
| andyrock | willcooke: i just have a problem with the "_" char showing up in the hud | 15:25 |
| andyrock | not sure where is the problem but should not be a big thing to fix | 15:25 |
| willcooke | thx andyrock | 15:25 |
| GunnarHj | pitti, seb128: I could reopen bug #1556457, somebody uploads the thing, and I can made the call for testing on the ubuntu-devel list. | 15:27 |
| ubot5` | bug 1556457 in fontconfig (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Demilight (OS/2 weight=350) confuses fontconfig" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556457 | 15:27 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: ack, sounds like a plan | 15:28 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Just a detail as regards the PPA source: I think it would be proper to change the FreeType build dependency to 2.5.1. | 15:30 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Required according to one of the commits. | 15:30 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Will you do the upload? https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/fontconfig-test2 | 15:31 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: ah, you already merged in the previosu changelog? thanks | 15:31 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: yes, will do | 15:32 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: +1 for bumping the build dep indeed | 15:32 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, did you update to .95? | 15:34 |
| seb128 | if we go with the new version we can as well take thecurrent one | 15:34 |
| GunnarHj | seb128, pitti: The version in the PPA is 2.11.94. I think 2.11.95 was tagged today... | 15:35 |
| pitti | yeah, but .94 got some testing, so let's rather update in two steps | 15:36 |
| seb128 | k | 15:36 |
| seb128 | that makes sense | 15:36 |
| pitti | (that said, still a good idea to follow the .9x) | 15:36 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: I suppose I should keep the gperf build dep from the previous upload too? | 15:45 |
| pitti | there was no rationale, but your PPA package doesn't have it | 15:45 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Not sure. It proved to be necessary for the patching approach, but not for 2.11.94. | 15:45 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 15:45 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: ok, I took your PPA package, merged the ubuntu9 changelog, bumped fontconfig and mentioned the dropping of gperf b-dep and dropping the 0002 patch | 15:46 |
| pitti | test-building now | 15:47 |
| pitti | oh, should add a ref to the regression | 15:48 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: The regression was reported at bug #1566651. | 15:48 |
| ubot5` | bug 1566651 in fontconfig (Ubuntu) "Blurry fonts after update to fontconfig 2.11.1-0ubuntu9" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566651 | 15:49 |
| pitti | yep, that; just added to changelog | 15:49 |
| pitti | uploaded | 15:49 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Ok, great. I'll post the call for testing in an hour or so. (Need a break for food...). | 15:50 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: thanks for your perseverance, and bon appetit ! | 15:50 |
| * pitti grabs some dinner too | 15:50 | |
| GunnarHj | ;) | 15:50 |
| andyrock | seb128: where is the lp branch for libwnck xenail? | 16:30 |
| andyrock | i need to provide a small distro patch (1 line) for the hud change | 16:30 |
| seb128 | andyrock, I don't think we have a vcs for that? | 16:30 |
| seb128 | just add a debdiff to a bug and subscribe sponsors | 16:30 |
| seb128 | or ask for sponsoring here | 16:30 |
| andyrock | oki | 16:30 |
| andyrock | seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/bamf/+bug/1551986/comments/4 | 16:49 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1551986 in unity (Ubuntu Xenial) "HUD hotkey assignment is suboptimal" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:49 |
| andyrock | not sure the patch format is ok :D | 16:49 |
| seb128 | seems fine | 16:50 |
| seb128 | did you upstream that one? | 16:50 |
| seb128 | you know Trevinho right? :p | 16:50 |
| Trevinho | I'm not sure i will accept that... :-D | 16:50 |
| seb128 | andyrock, btw you are sure you want libwnck and not libwnck3? | 16:51 |
| andyrock | seb128: is not the same :D | 16:51 |
| andyrock | ? | 16:51 |
| seb128 | no | 16:51 |
| seb128 | libwnck is old gtk2 version | 16:51 |
| andyrock | ah ok | 16:51 |
| andyrock | sorry didn't know we had two | 16:51 |
| andyrock | I'll make a new one | 16:51 |
| seb128 | yw | 16:52 |
| seb128 | did you test it? | 16:52 |
| seb128 | did it work? ;-) | 16:52 |
| seb128 | maybe hud is still using the old lib | 16:52 |
| dobey | anyone else notice that in 16.04, when closing the empathy window, most accounts are also disconnected? | 16:59 |
| seb128 | dobey, no, what account types? how do you notice? | 17:01 |
| dobey | at least icq and jabber (gtalk); close empathy window, then click on messaging menu -> empathy to open it again, and most of my online contacts no longer appear | 17:03 |
| andyrock | seb128: yeah it works like a charm | 17:03 |
| andyrock | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/bamf/+bug/1551986/comments/6 | 17:03 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1551986 in unity (Ubuntu Xenial) "HUD hotkey assignment is suboptimal" [Undecided,In progress] | 17:03 |
| andyrock | the problem is that set_text (...) resets the use-underline property | 17:04 |
| seb128 | andyrock, how come it worked if you patched the wrong package?! | 17:04 |
| andyrock | so if there is something (in our case dbusmenuitem) attached to the notify:label signal | 17:04 |
| seb128 | or did you patch a source and ld_preload that to test? | 17:04 |
| andyrock | seb128: nope i tested it on the upstream project | 17:05 |
| seb128 | I see | 17:05 |
| seb128 | thanks | 17:05 |
| andyrock | that's why i didn't know about the libwnck libwnck3 difference | 17:05 |
| dobey | weird; seems to behaving better now after a reboot | 17:15 |
| seb128 | weird | 17:16 |
| dobey | and it finally did the contact linking correctly it seems | 17:17 |
| dobey | was having issues with that | 17:17 |
| dobey | although that could still be very weird | 17:17 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Talking about regressions due to fonts-droid -> fonts-noto-cjk: Kubuntu and Xubuntu have not yet included fonts-noto-cjk in their seeds. | 17:33 |
| GunnarHj | https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.xenial_chinese-fonts/+merge/288192 | 17:33 |
| GunnarHj | https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.xenial_chinese-fonts/+merge/288195 | 17:33 |
| GunnarHj | Are you able to help here? | 17:33 |
| seb128 | not really | 17:34 |
| seb128 | I'm not involved in those flavors | 17:34 |
| seb128 | unsure who to ping either | 17:34 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: So they have themselves to blame, is that it? | 17:35 |
| seb128 | sort of I guess | 17:37 |
| willcooke | desktoppers - I got the OK from design to use the grey colours for the tabs in terminal (@bg_color for active and shade(@bg_color, 0.7 for the others) | 17:39 |
| willcooke | but... | 17:39 |
| willcooke | I wondered... | 17:39 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: IMO they have. Besides those MP:s, it was also up at ubuntu-devel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039217.html | 17:39 |
| willcooke | http://imgur.com/MhMd1wo | 17:39 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, you can maybe try mentioning in on #ubuntu-release | 17:41 |
| seb128 | willcooke, the orange is not light enough imho | 17:42 |
| willcooke | seb128, it's the right colour, but yeah, I agree. If I tweaked it - what do you think about an orange active tab? Too much? | 17:42 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I still wonder if the adwaita way would be nicer, having a colored line at the top | 17:43 |
| willcooke | "right colour" = "ubuorange" | 17:43 |
| andyrock | willcooke: other thing in the hud the items are going to appear as "Close (Window)", "Resize (Window)" | 17:44 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Thanks for the tip, will do. | 17:45 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, yw | 17:45 |
| andyrock | to distinguish from Close (File) e.g. | 17:45 |
| willcooke | andyrock, perfect, thanks | 17:45 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I saw some website today doing the 'color line at the top' thing, can't remember which one now but I think it was a popular one because I though that if even them were doing it that might be a good option | 17:46 |
| willcooke | andyrock, can we use the original short cuts from the window menu, i.e. minimize = n to get the HUD to match against it? | 17:46 |
| willcooke | seb128, the only way I can think of doing that would be with a coloured border | 17:47 |
| andyrock | willcooke: we need to modify hud-service to take into account the mnemonic | 17:47 |
| andyrock | not sure it's that easy | 17:47 |
| andyrock | i'll take a look as soon as i push the bamf branch | 17:48 |
| willcooke | thanks andyrock | 17:48 |
| flocculant | GunnarHj: I've passed the comment along for us (xubuntu) | 17:50 |
| willcooke | seb128, ha - I've done it! | 17:51 |
| GunnarHj | flocculant: Great, thanks! Then there is only Kubuntu left. | 17:51 |
| willcooke | seb128, ignore the borders etc for now; http://imgur.com/ffyCZ1y | 17:54 |
| willcooke | seb128, I'm pretty pissed though. It's taken me hours and hours to get those colour tabs working properly, and that took about 5 mins. ;D | 17:56 |
| willcooke | and I like it better | 17:56 |
| willcooke | more | 17:56 |
| willcooke | don't learn English from me | 17:56 |
| * willcooke -> dinner | 17:57 | |
| flocculant | alphabettispaghetti for you | 17:58 |
| seb128 | willcooke, enjoy! | 18:04 |
| davmor2 | Yeah learn proper English like what I does | 18:06 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 18:08 |
| seb128 | zat i'ow you speek then? | 18:11 |
| flocculant | on day's with a y in them yup | 18:15 |
| Sweet5hark | https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/717778599902744576 <- Matthew Garrett owes me a handle of gin (he says) | 18:23 |
| willcooke | ha | 18:24 |
| ogra_ | Trade it for a new xscreensaver | 18:25 |
| sarnold | Sweet5hark: hah, nice | 18:26 |
| willcooke | seb128, oki, issues with coloured bar at the top of the tab.... | 18:29 |
| willcooke | * I'll have to turn off image borders and replace with solid ones | 18:29 |
| willcooke | (not a big deal at all) | 18:29 |
| willcooke | * Need to sort the padding on the buttons, they're huuuuge at the moment | 18:29 |
| willcooke | (easy fix) | 18:30 |
| willcooke | and I think that's it | 18:30 |
| willcooke | http://imgur.com/E6ByaXz | 18:31 |
| willcooke | could probably do with a bit more separation between the tabs | 18:31 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: that's quite nice... Some separation would be cool | 19:00 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: what about doing the same in FF then? :-) | 19:01 |
| willcooke | it's gtk2 right? | 19:01 |
| willcooke | might be able to | 19:01 |
| willcooke | imgur.com/S6hjZN3 | 19:01 |
| willcooke | http://imgur.com/S6hjZN3 | 19:01 |
| willcooke | what do you think? | 19:02 |
| willcooke | it doesnt work with radiused tabs | 19:02 |
| willcooke | and I feel that the tabs are still too big, but the "+" and the drop down arrow are a bit buggy and can't be fixed (by me, now) | 19:02 |
| davmor2 | willcooke, cyphermox: good news Nvidia upgrade upgraded and mokutils kicked in | 19:03 |
| willcooke | and they need extra padding to work | 19:03 |
| willcooke | woah! | 19:03 |
| willcooke | good news davmor2 | 19:03 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: tomorrow morning AMD/ATI | 19:03 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: see what havoc comes from going from fglrx to whatever the hell it's called now | 19:04 |
| willcooke | :) | 19:07 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: maybe a px less? If possible it would be nice to have the border bigger on selected one, and very tiny in the others | 19:13 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, that's as small as I can get it | 19:14 |
| willcooke | but I can make it 2px wide when selected | 19:17 |
| willcooke | http://imgur.com/QR4tyVB | 19:19 |
| willcooke | bed time | 19:44 |
| willcooke | night all | 19:44 |
| TheMuso | flexiondotorg: And mate-accessibility-profiles, but it needs to be let through binary NEW. | 20:06 |
| TheMuso | flexiondotorg: And it seems they have. | 20:10 |
| TheMuso | flexiondotorg: I've made a few changes since the indicator and profiles can be shipped on the desktop install, the redesign was to allow for that after all. | 20:19 |
| TheMuso | flexiondotorg: Will upload a new ubuntu-mate-meta to address this. | 20:19 |
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