=== JanC_ is now known as JanC [06:45] good morning desktops [06:51] Good morning [06:52] hey pitti ;-) [07:32] seb128: no good morning for the laptops? [07:32] :P [07:32] morning everyone! [07:32] hey larsu, wie gehts? [07:33] pitti: morgen! Sehr gut. War gerade beim Fitness und bin durch die Sonne zurück gefahren. Im Shirt!!! [07:33] wie gehts dir? [07:34] larsu: prima, danke! keine Sonne mehr heute, aber immer noch warm [07:34] schade :( [07:34] larsu, hey :-) [07:35] bah [07:35] it's sunny here as well but they forecast rain starting midday for the afternoon/evening [07:39] don't believe the forecast! [07:40] that's right [07:40] well for now I see blue sky and sun so I'm happy ;-) [07:54] morning all [07:54] moin [07:56] morning Sweet5hark [07:57] willcooke: heya [08:01] hey willcooke Sweet5hark [08:03] seb128: how is it going? are you at a/that sprint btw? [08:04] Sweet5hark, I'm doing well thanks, got mostly over the holidays backlog and back on track for 16.04 I think ... and no, no hackfest for me, getting a week to get some work done before holidays and travelling for the planning sprint [08:04] what about you? [08:07] trying to get my back back it shape -- it was hurting badly recent days, its better now. as for work: xenial looks all well AFAICS -- lets see how stuff will get amazing after that ;) [08:07] hey Sweet5hark [08:07] Sweet5hark: urgh, good luck with your back, that sounds scary [08:07] Sweet5hark: too much exercise or too much sitting? [08:09] pitti: too much bad sitting apparently and then hurt myself by being too hard on myself when swimming. [08:09] ... but jogging helps. doing that daily now. === Drac0 is now known as Guest80277 [08:54] * Laney is free [08:54] free from the dmb [08:59] Laney, congrats? ;-) [08:59] and hey! [08:59] still enjoying London? [09:04] dmb? [09:06] @dekstopers, hi, I'm looking for an ubiquity slideshow slide (the Gnome Software one), where is it located? [09:06] davidcalle: Error: "dekstopers," is not a valid command. [09:07] hey davidcalle [09:08] davidcalle, have you got the ubiquity source downloaded already? [09:08] willcooke: nope, I was expecting to find it somewhere on my xenial system :) [09:09] larsu, devmemberboard, the group that grants e.g upload rights [09:09] davidcalle, https://launchpad.net/ubiquity [09:09] err [09:09] wrong [09:10] davidcalle, correct link: https://launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [09:10] seb128: thanks :) [09:10] larsu, yw! [09:10] davidcalle, then: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/slideshows/ubuntu/slides [09:11] usc.html [09:11] davidcalle, willcooke, did we get an agreement on what to use there? [09:11] willcooke: perfect, thanks :) [09:11] seb128: not sure. But on my end, I just need a nice screenshot ;) [09:11] seb128, seems to still be pending. I went with not mentioned g-s at all and instead talking about "access to the store" [09:12] davidcalle, if those screenshots are too small we can find you a better one [09:13] davidcalle, e.g. http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/g-s.png [09:13] willcooke: this one is perfect, thanks! [09:13] nw [09:13] willcooke, davidcalle, didn't we get those screenshots updated some weeks ago? [09:14] seb128, yeah [09:14] ah [09:14] davidcalle is looking for a screenshot, not at changing the current one? [09:15] seb128: yeah, I jsut need a screenshot matching roughly how we are presenting Gnome software to users [09:15] k, gotcha [10:04] hey seb128 [10:04] yeah! [10:04] raining today though [10:05] * Laney might actually look at g-s itself [10:06] noticed the list of nominees to the TB [10:06] lots of good candidates there ;-) [10:10] where is this list? (hey Laney!) [10:11] didrocks: on the tb list [10:11] on planet ubuntu as well [10:11] oh right, this was posted [10:12] ah, the fridge, I probably bypassed it :) [10:12] Laney, good candidates, rrrright [10:12] wonder who nominated those! [10:15] teehee [10:59] morning [10:59] hey cyphermox [11:12] hey cyphermox! [11:14] hey :) [11:26] cyphermox, did you see that awe seemed to have found the issue with new nm and vpn? [11:30] great [11:53] urgh. Another odd bug in terminal [11:53] open a few tabs, cd to somewhere with a longish path [11:53] then drag that tab out of the window and don't let go of the button [11:58] * flocculant did that and is pleased it looks as expected here :p === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:08] Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/compiz/fix-1559371/+merge/289588 [12:08] * Trevinho checks [12:12] flexiondotorg: I'd really love to have the client fixed though... Also changing the mate.ini later couldn't cause the setting not to be updated by upgraders? [12:13] seb128, just noticed the padding on the bluetooth window (for example) is gone again. Didn't we already fix that? I think it was an u/s bug? [12:13] maybe it was called a wizard screen? [12:14] willcooke, wfm, where do you see it? [12:14] a new 16.04 install from the daily iso yesterday [12:14] if I go to the bluetooth panel and click the "+" button the new dialog has space between the buttons and border [12:15] Trevinho, I'd like the client fixed too. But small team, little time and no obvious solution. This winrule is the best we have. [12:16] flexiondotorg: I understand, you tried to check what happens if that mate.ini option is removed? Is the option unset (for future use case) [12:16] willcooke, it was a gtk bug that got fixed, the patch is still there afaik and wfm [12:17] Trevinho, Compiz is not enable by default in Ubuntu MATE. It can be optionally enabled via MATE Tweak. [12:17] New activations will use whatever the mate.ini provides. [12:17] seb128, ah, buttons look ok actually. Seems to be the text on the left: http://imgur.com/glJoTXC [12:18] But MATE Tweak also has a button to reset Compiz to mate.ini defaults, should an updated mate.ini be released. [12:26] willcooke, I can't confirm here but my virtualbox has no bluetooth and my system is in french so not having the same labels lead to a layout things differently [12:28] I dont think its that big a deal, I'll see if I can fix it [12:28] thanks [12:28] I'm unsure it's a theming issue though [12:29] you had another example of dialog last time iirc [12:29] what was it? something with nm? [12:29] yeah, I thnk it was vpns or something [12:29] I'll see if I get time [12:29] nw [12:30] ah, right [12:30] adding a mobile connection [12:30] k, I can confirm in that dialog [12:32] I've a feeling it's due to https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/gtk/ui/gtkassistant.ui?id=9c39232ab399eb3138fa4924b6072c3d340c215e [12:32] willcooke, are you guys considering rebranding gnome-software this late in the cycle? atleast that is the impression I got from Michaels email [12:34] mhall119, can I get a copy of that email? [12:35] darkxst, "rebranding"? [12:35] seb128: where does the feature app comes from in gnome software? Gnome server somewhere? [12:35] there are discussions about the wording of the ubiquity slide [12:36] davidcalle, I don't know, but we have people at a hackfest who know and are working on changing that list I think ... why? please don't dup work by looking also at doing similar changes [12:37] davidcalle, in any case please talk to Laney on this channel, he mentioned that on the first day of the hackfest so I guess he's the person to talk to about those changes [12:37] seb128: I'm not, no worries, just looking if there was a way to change this featured app locally. Nothing related with the wider GNome Software discussion ;) [12:38] willcooke, i sent you a copy [12:38] willcooke, we might need something like https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/theme/Adwaita/_common.scss#n225 ? [12:38] davidcalle, k, Laney can help you with that I think [12:38] thanks [12:39] darkxst, there are discussions about the wording of the slide as just said and maybe naming of the .desktop under Unity [12:39] darkxst, ta [12:39] darkxst, no changing of the look/branding of the software [12:39] seb128, thats fine, and not I would consider rebranding [12:43] willcooke: darkxst: which email? [12:44] willcooke, if you play with css maybe look if something around the [12:44] GtkAssistant { [12:44] .sidebar GtkLabel { [12:44] padding: 6px; [12:44] would fix it? [12:45] mhall119, the snap email, where you suggested gnome-software might be rebranded, but apparently that is not the case actually [12:47] darkxst: ok, that. It's actually not branded "GNOME Software" right now, it's just "Software", we put that in because we weren't sure how it was going to be called [12:49] the "using packages from other distributions" section on https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading could use some clarification: the url should probably say ~//ubuntu/ [12:49] at least it confused me :) [12:50] willcooke: OMG an upgrade and it seems to be working this can't be right :) [12:51] davmor2, It'll never last. [12:51] quick pull the plug [12:51] mhall119, ok, so long as its only Unity specific desktop files, I couldnt care what you call it [12:53] we have already made our slideshows, and our users are expect GNOME "Software" not some other name ;) [12:53] darkxst: I think this was more a case of the community team not knowing what name to use for it than anything [12:54] larsu, open a bug against launchpad ;-) [12:54] willcooke: it's got time to break on the mokutil yet something to blame cyphermox for again cause you know how he likes me to blame him for stuff :) [12:54] since we've always heard it called "GNOME Software" but the app itself only uses the name "Software" [12:54] and we know that non-GNOME flavors are also using it [12:54] what what ? mokutil broken? [12:54] mhall119, all the core GNOME apps are like that [12:54] seb128: thanks, will do (didn't know where the correct place would be...) [12:55] darkxst: yeah, it causes some confusion :) [12:56] darkxst, not really, we don't have "GNOME gedit" or "GNOME nautilus" [12:56] seb128, ok all the newer GNOME apps are like that [12:56] photos, maps, music, logs, etc === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:57] right, I don't think we include any of those on Unity default install atm [12:57] seb128: done, #1566839 [12:57] larsu, danke [12:58] and then the oddball epiphany => web [12:59] but its all just desktop file tinkering [13:00] and the lack of security support makes the latter rather irrelevant I guess [13:00] yeah [13:00] otherwise it would be a really nice browser [13:11] cyphermox: not yet [13:13] cyphermox: is the kernel code in play now that disables the modules if secureboot isn't enabled [13:13] davmor2: not yet [13:14] cyphermox: right thanks [13:45] TheMuso, Thanks for the a11y work. [13:45] Can I just confirm what packages I need to seed? [13:47] TheMuso, just a11y-profile-manager and a11y-profile-manager-indicator? [13:52] flexiondotorg, might be better by email, he's UTC+12 [13:52] willcooke, Ah. OK, thanks :-) [13:54] willcooke: looks like we don't need to modify any unity code to support alt+space [13:54] we just need to modify the key binding [13:54] andyrock, sweet! How about the two modifiers issue? Are we stuck there? [13:55] willcooke: ccsm partially support them [13:55] if so I will see what the alternatives are from design etc [13:55] pitti: Hi Martin! Regression from yesterday's fontconfig upload. Can you please take a look at bug #1566651. [13:55] bug 1566651 in fontconfig (Ubuntu) "Blurry fonts after update to fontconfig 2.11.1-0ubuntu9" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566651 [13:55] also i experiences some problems showing that menu with alt+super [13:55] *ed [13:55] andyrock, partially meaning that it will be really buggy and crap? [13:55] right [13:55] oki [13:56] lemme see if I can get a better choice then... [13:56] like if you press two times super+alt you can get stuck with that menu [13:56] :D [13:56] erk [13:56] oki [13:57] willcooke: the branch for lp:hud has already been proposed I'll finish the bamf one today [13:57] do you have the bug number? [13:57] andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1551986 [13:57] Launchpad bug 1551986 in unity (Ubuntu Xenial) "HUD hotkey assignment is suboptimal" [Undecided,In progress] [13:57] thx [14:27] willcooke, cyphermox: see what did I say no mok-util trigger on upgrade for intel-microcode :'( I blame cyphermox I'll try it on nvidia hardware and see what happens there though now that I know that upgrades are at least working [14:27] tjaalton, Trevinho, andyrock, saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1566878 ? [14:27] Launchpad bug 1566878 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Alt-backtick regression" [Undecided,New] [14:27] tjaalton, the bug states it's due to the recent xserver update [14:27] nope... [14:27] davmor2: on upgrade for intel-microcode? [14:27] you mean upgrading from trusty? [14:28] cyphermox: install trusty, install intel-microcode, upgrade to 16.04 [14:28] right, no [14:29] intel-microcode doesn't seem to need dkms [14:29] seb128: backtick? [14:29] cyphermox: but it is the only driver that gets installed for 3rd party drivers on 16.04 and that triggers it unless it is like mp3 codec or something crazy [14:30] andyrock, the key on left of 1 (top of tab) [14:30] andyrock, the one to switch between wins of the active application [14:30] fglrx? [14:31] andyrock: alt+\ :) [14:31] or alt grave.. [14:31] for us keys [14:31] ah yeah [14:31] sorry [14:31] :D [14:31] Well, tjaalton there might be some changes in xkb code? [14:32] as it's the one we use to figure out which key is above tab [14:37] seb128, Trevinho: hrm, i'll have a look later [14:38] Trevinho, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/251848437/xorg-server_2%3A1.18.1-1ubuntu4_2%3A1.18.3-1ubuntu1.diff.gz [14:39] ppa:canonical-x/x-staging has had 1.18.2+fixes for several weeks, weird if noone else sees that [14:48] 1.18.3 adds only a commit or two on top of the ppa [14:49] i guess that shortcut is kbd layout specific? [14:49] yes [14:51] andyrock, what do you think about alt-super-space for window controls? [14:51] might be confusing I guess [14:52] Trevinho, do you have any idea about bug #1565522? Mikkel is one of the njpatel time unity devs if you knew/remember him ;-) [14:52] bug 1565522 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "No menu bar in gtk apps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1565522 [14:53] seb128: yeah, i do know him [14:53] willcooke: too big? but i'm now a designer [14:53] should not conflict with other stuf [14:58] GunnarHj: ah, is there anything to sponsor? or should we revert the change for now? [14:59] Trevinho, k, unsure if that's a really issue but it would be nice to at least follow up on the bug [14:59] pitti: Nothing to sponsor yet. That issue would be resolved with 2.11.94, so I'd like your view (again). [15:01] seb128: sure, I think it's a duplicate of anohter one we're getting... It seems like a race though [15:01] GunnarHj: well, it hasn't changed much; if even one patch does such damage, there's little reason to believe that taking 50 more patches is regression free [15:01] Trevinho, well, you at least have somebody who knows how to follow debug intructions if you need some info ;-) [15:01] GunnarHj: that said, upgrading is not off the table, but there's a lot more QA to be done there than just "crossing fingers" [15:01] sure... [15:02] GunnarHj: Mingye suggested some comparison script, that looks like a good start [15:02] pitti: I rather think that the commits are too interdependent to be cherry picked. [15:02] GunnarHj, pitti, 2.11.1 is the current stable version, .94 is an unstable one ... seems late for such changes without a good rational? [15:03] seb128: well, my point :) (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1556457/comments/18) [15:03] Launchpad bug 1556457 in fontconfig (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Demilight (OS/2 weight=350) confuses fontconfig" [High,Fix released] [15:03] pitti: Yeah, if I understand it correctly, Mingye's script would check for proper weigths. [15:03] still, I think if someone can come up with a convincing plan to test this across fonts/glyphs/locales/desktops, it'd be okay, but this is a high-risk update [15:04] pitti, right, I was just throwing in that 11.1 is the current stable and .9x are unstable versions since their versionning is a bit confusing [15:04] pitti, seb128: What triggered this was the switch for Chinese from fonts-droid to fonts-noto-cjk. 2.11.1 is simply not ready for all the fonts weights in fonts-noto-cjk. [15:05] :-/ [15:05] blame happyaron! [15:06] * happyaron hummmmm... [15:06] seb128, pitti: If you talk to the upstream fontconfig developers, they have left 2.11.1 behind long ago. "Ancient". So we should probably not take the distinction between stable and development too seriously. [15:07] * happyaron goes to his bed [15:07] happyaron, night! [15:08] happyaron, sorry was teasing you, it's a side effect of the change to use fonts-noto-cjk but you are not the only responsible for that transition ;-) [15:09] yeah I know, :p [15:10] so, no idea here -- damned if you do, damned if you don't [15:10] yeah :-/ [15:10] pitti, seb128: Yeah, it may be high risk, but the risk for a regression wrt Chinese rendering is 100% if we don't do anything. [15:11] larsu, do you have a German kbd layout? If so, can you tell me where you / key is? [15:11] your [15:11] is it on 7? [15:11] willcooke: Shift+7 [15:11] GunnarHj, pitti, just as a data point, seems that fedora is on 2.11.94 so at least that version got some testing [15:11] willcooke: I don't, but it's on the 7 [15:11] thanks pitti [15:12] pitti beat me to it. Of course :) [15:12] cheers larsu [15:12] it's been a long time since I had a German keyboard, but my wife still has one :) [15:12] seb128, pitti: Right, we would certainly not be first. Also Arch Linux (and some more, don't remember...). [15:13] willcooke, just for info you can add a german layout and click the keyboard icon then to see the keyboard drawing with the symbols [15:13] in unity-control-center [15:13] thanks seb128 [15:13] yw! [15:13] seb128, pitti: Arch Linux upgraded to 2.11.94 for this same reason. [15:16] andyrock, thinking alt-; for window controls. It's in the same place on most kbds and not far from space. Asking design and Mark to advise.... [15:18] pitti, seb128: I could try to make use of Mingye's test script together with Mingye tomorrow. (Suspect he is sleeping now.) [15:19] andyrock, looking at your mps - tests as well, nice! [15:19] pitti, seb128: At the same time, wouldn't it be advisable to get 2.11.94 into the archive ASAP, so we have some time for the community/testers to provide feedback? [15:20] GunnarHj: he never sleep at this moment [15:20] GunnarHj, seb128: either that, or a call for testing (flavors times locales) with the PPA [15:20] although I guess the more probable outcome will be that we do upgrade [15:20] and we can revert back to 2.11.1 in the worst case [15:20] GunnarHj: well, a senior high student with quite a lot motivation [15:21] pitti: Right, reverting would be easy . [15:21] go to my bed really this time... [15:21] I went over the other commits in 2.11.94 and almost all of them are bug fix-y [15:21] happyaron: Then I'll try to reach him. [15:22] pitti: So, are you ready to take the chance? [15:22] I feel like getting my arm twisted, but I don't see a lot of other options [15:22] seb128: WDYT? [15:23] pitti, I think I would go for the update, it's relatively easy to revert if needed [15:23] seb128: i. e. do you object to update+call for testing+revert to 2.11.94 on regressions? any better idea? [15:23] it's likely going to be the most maintainable solution for a LTS [15:23] cherry pick of random patches might backfire [15:24] pitti, seb128: Where would we post a call for testing? [15:24] ubuntu-devel@list [15:24] seb128: Ok. [15:24] happyaron, night [15:25] willcooke: i just have a problem with the "_" char showing up in the hud [15:25] not sure where is the problem but should not be a big thing to fix [15:25] thx andyrock [15:27] pitti, seb128: I could reopen bug #1556457, somebody uploads the thing, and I can made the call for testing on the ubuntu-devel list. [15:27] bug 1556457 in fontconfig (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Demilight (OS/2 weight=350) confuses fontconfig" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556457 [15:28] GunnarHj: ack, sounds like a plan [15:30] pitti: Just a detail as regards the PPA source: I think it would be proper to change the FreeType build dependency to 2.5.1. [15:30] pitti: Required according to one of the commits. [15:31] pitti: Will you do the upload? https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/fontconfig-test2 [15:31] GunnarHj: ah, you already merged in the previosu changelog? thanks [15:32] GunnarHj: yes, will do [15:32] GunnarHj: +1 for bumping the build dep indeed [15:34] GunnarHj, did you update to .95? [15:34] if we go with the new version we can as well take thecurrent one [15:35] seb128, pitti: The version in the PPA is 2.11.94. I think 2.11.95 was tagged today... [15:36] yeah, but .94 got some testing, so let's rather update in two steps [15:36] k [15:36] that makes sense [15:36] (that said, still a good idea to follow the .9x) [15:45] GunnarHj: I suppose I should keep the gperf build dep from the previous upload too? [15:45] there was no rationale, but your PPA package doesn't have it [15:45] pitti: Not sure. It proved to be necessary for the patching approach, but not for 2.11.94. [15:45] ah, ok [15:46] GunnarHj: ok, I took your PPA package, merged the ubuntu9 changelog, bumped fontconfig and mentioned the dropping of gperf b-dep and dropping the 0002 patch [15:47] test-building now [15:48] oh, should add a ref to the regression [15:48] pitti: The regression was reported at bug #1566651. [15:49] bug 1566651 in fontconfig (Ubuntu) "Blurry fonts after update to fontconfig 2.11.1-0ubuntu9" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566651 [15:49] yep, that; just added to changelog [15:49] uploaded [15:50] pitti: Ok, great. I'll post the call for testing in an hour or so. (Need a break for food...). [15:50] GunnarHj: thanks for your perseverance, and bon appetit ! [15:50] * pitti grabs some dinner too [15:50] ;) [16:30] seb128: where is the lp branch for libwnck xenail? [16:30] i need to provide a small distro patch (1 line) for the hud change [16:30] andyrock, I don't think we have a vcs for that? [16:30] just add a debdiff to a bug and subscribe sponsors [16:30] or ask for sponsoring here [16:30] oki [16:49] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/bamf/+bug/1551986/comments/4 [16:49] Launchpad bug 1551986 in unity (Ubuntu Xenial) "HUD hotkey assignment is suboptimal" [Undecided,In progress] [16:49] not sure the patch format is ok :D [16:50] seems fine [16:50] did you upstream that one? [16:50] you know Trevinho right? :p [16:50] I'm not sure i will accept that... :-D [16:51] andyrock, btw you are sure you want libwnck and not libwnck3? [16:51] seb128: is not the same :D [16:51] ? [16:51] no [16:51] libwnck is old gtk2 version [16:51] ah ok [16:51] sorry didn't know we had two [16:51] I'll make a new one [16:52] yw [16:52] did you test it? [16:52] did it work? ;-) [16:52] maybe hud is still using the old lib [16:59] anyone else notice that in 16.04, when closing the empathy window, most accounts are also disconnected? [17:01] dobey, no, what account types? how do you notice? [17:03] at least icq and jabber (gtalk); close empathy window, then click on messaging menu -> empathy to open it again, and most of my online contacts no longer appear [17:03] seb128: yeah it works like a charm [17:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/bamf/+bug/1551986/comments/6 [17:03] Launchpad bug 1551986 in unity (Ubuntu Xenial) "HUD hotkey assignment is suboptimal" [Undecided,In progress] [17:04] the problem is that set_text (...) resets the use-underline property [17:04] andyrock, how come it worked if you patched the wrong package?! [17:04] so if there is something (in our case dbusmenuitem) attached to the notify:label signal [17:04] or did you patch a source and ld_preload that to test? [17:05] seb128: nope i tested it on the upstream project [17:05] I see [17:05] thanks [17:05] that's why i didn't know about the libwnck libwnck3 difference [17:15] weird; seems to behaving better now after a reboot [17:16] weird [17:17] and it finally did the contact linking correctly it seems [17:17] was having issues with that [17:17] although that could still be very weird [17:33] seb128: Talking about regressions due to fonts-droid -> fonts-noto-cjk: Kubuntu and Xubuntu have not yet included fonts-noto-cjk in their seeds. [17:33] https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.xenial_chinese-fonts/+merge/288192 [17:33] https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.xenial_chinese-fonts/+merge/288195 [17:33] Are you able to help here? [17:34] not really [17:34] I'm not involved in those flavors [17:34] unsure who to ping either [17:35] seb128: So they have themselves to blame, is that it? [17:37] sort of I guess [17:39] desktoppers - I got the OK from design to use the grey colours for the tabs in terminal (@bg_color for active and shade(@bg_color, 0.7 for the others) [17:39] but... [17:39] I wondered... [17:39] seb128: IMO they have. Besides those MP:s, it was also up at ubuntu-devel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039217.html [17:39] http://imgur.com/MhMd1wo [17:41] GunnarHj, you can maybe try mentioning in on #ubuntu-release [17:42] willcooke, the orange is not light enough imho [17:42] seb128, it's the right colour, but yeah, I agree. If I tweaked it - what do you think about an orange active tab? Too much? [17:43] willcooke, I still wonder if the adwaita way would be nicer, having a colored line at the top [17:43] "right colour" = "ubuorange" [17:44] willcooke: other thing in the hud the items are going to appear as "Close (Window)", "Resize (Window)" [17:45] seb128: Thanks for the tip, will do. [17:45] GunnarHj, yw [17:45] to distinguish from Close (File) e.g. [17:45]