[00:36] damn flo stable images do not have working bluetooth === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [01:07] <_I_G_O_R__> any smart people out there have any recommendations of ways to go about installing python 2.76 on ubuntu touch? perhaps first answer here? http://askubuntu.com/questions/101591/how-do-i-install-python-2-7-2-on-ubuntu ... i had a bricked nexus 7 the first time i tried until i realized i could flash it while it sat in the the ubuntu recovery menu, would not recognize as device [01:07] <_I_G_O_R__> i see python3 on there and thats fun but this project is too time consuming to be taking time out to learn and convert to 3 at the moment [01:07] <_I_G_O_R__> my project, not your project, that is [01:09] <_I_G_O_R__> any recommendations would be much appreciated, however im not particularly comfortable with pyenv or the snake-guys ppa [01:13] <_I_G_O_R__> not to insult those projects just want to sleep at night having sensitive materials on there [01:15] damn bluetooth bugs === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === shark is now known as Guest38013 === shuduo-afk is now known as shuduo === shark is now known as Guest1315 === Guest1315 is now known as touchy [02:58] good morning everyone :) [02:58] ubuntu IDE is still downloading [02:58] LOL === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === shark is now known as Guest21236 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [07:09] hey all. Some webapps (like MixCloud) have audio playing in the background even if screen turned off. Anyone know if any youtube apps exist that work like this? [07:52] hi [08:02] is the resolution of the external display connected to Acquaris M10 tied to the one of the builtin display? [08:02] i.e. does it only do mirroring or are those detached? [08:02] also do they work both? i.e. having it running in dual-monitor? [08:03] and can Touch be easily installed on a x86 tablet? (easily compared to any other ARM tablet that is more likely to have difficulties with drivers and so) [08:06] I see https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ says "If you are looking to install Ubuntu on a desktop computer or laptop, you can alternatively download Ubuntu Desktop." [08:06] are the "regular" version and ubuntu-for-devices inherently different? [08:59] has anyone worked out how to send a notification to the message indicator from bash? [09:01] notify-send seems to just be a one-time message that instantly dissapears without leaving a "envelope" message in the tray === JamesTait is now known as Guest31919 === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [09:43] jabawok, the only way i know of to do it from the cli is with gdbus. see the Register and Post methods here https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/ === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [09:49] DanChapman: awesome thanks will check it out === sil2100 changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10 | http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet | OTA-10 phased updates started! === sil2100 changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10 | http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet | OTA-10 phased updates started (krillin, vegetahd, arale) - rest === sil2100 changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10 | http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet | OTA-10 phased updates started (krillin, vegetahd, arale) [10:09] Rest coming soon! [10:09] neat [10:09] is there a changelog? [10:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-10 <- that's a rough overview, you can check the commitlog for 100% details [10:10] But it's long [10:20] I hope I will have the update proposed today! :D === ecloud_wfh is now known as ecloud [10:51] mardy: do you have time to test the qtbase update from the silo, it has been waiting since Monday evening? the sooner it gets published to xenial the better. [10:52] Mirv: I did it already :-) I set it as Lander-approved [10:56] mardy: ah, ok great, I didn't poll the ticket! :) [10:57] mardy: actually it's still empty, the field at https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1215 [10:57] maybe the bileto doesn't like you [10:59] Mirv: now it should be ok [11:00] mardy: looks so, thanks === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [11:51] is the M10 out already? [11:51] will an user be able to install Ubuntu on a "regular" M10 if he bought it with android? [11:52] BQ supports replied to my ticket asking if the resolution of the HDMI display was tied to the builtin one, but avoided actually answering the topic === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:59] you could flash ubuntu-touch onto the bq smartphones shipping with android. but i can not guarantee that will work with the tablet. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [12:06] you will need to re-partition so you need to flash using a vendor tool (MTK tool) [12:06] with the right partition table files [12:07] beyond that it should just work [12:10] yay [12:10] htop working in libertine [12:10] (with some hackery of the .desktop file though) [12:14] ChrisTownsend, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15646641/ ... (still very rough, but it seems to work pretty well (except for the dbus issues) [12:14] (creates a container in your writable space, installs the package you want and creates a desktop file) [12:15] ogra_: Hey, I figured out the dbus issue. [12:15] what is it ? [12:16] ogra_: So libertine-launch fires off libertine-session-bridge and then starts the app, but there is a race between libertine-session-bridge being fully ready and the app running. [12:16] ah [12:16] ogra_: So I need to take better care of making sure libertine-session-bridge is up and running first, but I have a little hack to make it work. [12:16] cool [12:17] ogra_: Give me a moment and I'll paste a little diff here. [12:17] ogra_: But once that is fixed, there is another issue that is easily resolved. [12:19] ogra_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15646787/ [12:20] ogra_: 1 second should be enough time, but adjust as necessary. I'm going to work on a proper fix:) [12:20] is Touch running on top of android or is it a bare metal system? [12:21] ogra_: Once you apply that diff, you'll need to run "$ proot -S ~/.cache/libertine-container/${container_id}/rootfs ldconfig.REAL" [12:21] ChrisTownsend, cool, i'll try that this evening with vlc [12:21] ogra_: Cool. I have vlc running now on a Unity 8 desktop. === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:22] neat ! [12:22] I'm totally fascinated by the tablet concept turning into full desktop UI but somehow I assumed that the system running on the tablet was a "vanilla" ubuntu [12:22] * ogra_ wants .m3u8 support working :) [12:22] anddam, that wouldnt work, there are no drivers for the HW [12:22] they are all closed source android binaries [12:24] (GPS, graphics drivers, sensors ... and on phones the whole modem stack) [12:24] mm I see [12:25] so it's an ubuntu layer on top of android [12:25] so what we do is to actually boot into a vanilla ubuntu (in a special readonly setup for the OTA upgrade process though) ... and then during the boot process we fire up a minimal android container that manages the drivers [12:26] oh, so I was wrong still [12:26] the android bit runs in a container [12:26] no, it is an android container inside of ubuntu :) [12:26] that's much more interesting [12:26] about 100-200MB (differs per device) [12:26] what about x86 devices? [12:27] with a "regular" firmware and all [12:27] you could theoretically use a normal x86 install and have a ubity8 session on top of that [12:27] can one buy a window (ugh) tablet and perform a plain install on that [12:27] I see [12:27] but then you will only have the HW that the mainline kernel supports [12:27] I figure ubity8 is a UI [12:28] I'm really new to this, I just saw the tablet video promo a couple days ago [12:28] yes, thats the new phone and upcoming desktop UI [12:28] will it make into "base" system? [12:28] i.e. a single code base for all devices? [12:28] one day, yes [12:28] (actually that's what the site seemed to suggest) [12:28] nice [12:28] it still has its rough edges today [12:29] totally understandable [12:29] but before next LTS i would assume it to become the default [12:29] I wonder if that ubuntu phone got crowdfunded back then what the status would be [12:29] I remember following that in 2013 or 2014 [12:30] about being limited to the hardware mainline kernel support, what limit would that be? [12:30] consider I'm referring to a tablet usage, no cellular network involved [12:30] supports* [12:33] well, you would need to convince hardware manufacturers to open their drivers [12:34] or at least open the HW specs to the community so they can write open drivers [12:35] but isn't a tablet with, say, an Intel CPU with builtin GPU already well supported? [12:35] or what hardware are you thinking about? [12:35] well, tablets with intelö CPU are rare ... but yes, the graphics would work [12:36] not so rare, look for "window tablets", there are a lot of HP, lenovo, Acer, Asus [12:36] the usual suspects of notebook selling [12:36] with an ARM device I could see the issue [12:36] that are notebooks without keyboards :) [12:36] yep, fine by me [12:37] the android based intel trablets usually have poulsbo graphics though [12:37] I wonder what happened of that open source Mali driver that should have come with Novena Kosagi laptop [12:37] which means a completely closed driver [12:37] "poulsbo"? [12:37] google it [12:37] Poulsbo, Washington [12:37] "poulsbo intel" [12:37] mmm I don't get it [12:37] or linux ... [12:38] that driver is even worse than nvidias [12:38] ah I see [12:38] for that you'd again need the android container to get anything on screen [12:38] so it is totalyl device specific ... [12:38] The graphics core is called GMA 500 and unlike most graphics cores used by Intel was developed by Imagination Technologies [12:39] aren't they MIPS? [12:39] right [12:39] (or better acquired it) [12:39] Imagination produces graphics chips ... not sure they also do CPUs [12:39] PowerVR [12:39] right [12:40] so the graphic driver could still be a show stopper [12:41] not as long as you have an android source tree [12:41] then you can use the container model [12:41] Imagination bought MIPS some time ago indeed [12:41] for the "laptops without kbd" you can surely just use a normal ubuntu install (with all its drawbacks) [12:42] so they sell both CPU & GPU core designs nowadays [12:42] ah, i didnt know ;) [12:42] (they don't produce chips AFAIK) [12:45] and with that normal ubuntu install approach ubity8 is the UI I see at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU#t=2m8s , right? [12:49] not yet ... but you can install unity8 on a unity7 install [12:53] oh so that was a typo, I thought "ubity" was a specific thing for Touch [12:53] silly me [12:54] so the easiest thing is to just buy the tablet shipped with Ubuntu from BQ [12:54] yeah [12:55] though dont expect miracles ... it has 2GB ram ... [12:55] thats in the range of a low end netbook === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:08] that's why I was aiming at the windows tablets, those easily come with 4gb of ram in the same price span [13:11] right, but it will be up tio you to maintain it ... [13:11] yep, that's on the opposite direction of "I just want to use this thing" [13:12] right [13:12] this is a harsh, demanding world [13:12] not to mention that you support bq and canonical when buying it :) [13:12] https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena/updates/1028 this is what I was referring to [13:13] it was a Vivante open source driver for the i.MX6 [13:13] having Canonical hardware would be neat, maybe a reboot of the crowdfunding could be viable now [13:14] it didn't reached the goal but I see it raised 12 M$ back then and that's a lot of money [13:14] yeah, i doubt canonical w3ill ever do hardware ... bq is the perfect partner though [13:16] a partner with reliable production is second best, I guess [13:17] the edge would have been made by a partner company, not canonical [13:17] but BQ's production is a bit confusing, and they don't even list the ubuntu phones [13:17] google doesn't make their hardware either, though [13:17] dobey: right, but they brand it [13:18] yes, and google has plenty of resources to do whatever they want [13:18] eh pretty much [13:19] btw do you know if the external display on tablet is tied to the builtin display's size? [13:19] it's not [13:19] or if the GPU can drive different resolutions [13:19] oh good [13:20] bq definitely lists the ubuntu phones in theior store [13:20] where? I'm looking at http://www.bq.com/uk/smartphones [13:20] if you look at the right store === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [13:20] and which one is that? [13:20] oh via ubuntu's website [13:20] https://store.bq.com/gl/ubuntu-edition-e5 [13:21] they're in the other european stores [13:21] maybe they don't sell them in uk any more. i see the android versions of the same phones are also not listed on the uk page [13:21] oh right, funny thing is I'm not even in UK [13:21] it's in my country's store [13:21] it is on the global page "gl" [13:21] my bad [13:22] where global is "europe" [13:22] I figure BQ is Spanish [13:22] yep [13:22] since I see half-spanish sentences in the description === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [13:26] all in all I'd like a device very powerful, yet light, with long battery life, that I could fit in my pocket, that could be the center of my digital life and that could easily teleport me on the Enterprise bridge [13:27] just wait 10 years [13:27] you're not thinking fourt-dimensionally, Marty [13:28] heh [13:28] I figure we'll get there, meanwhile I'll check the M10 [13:29] after all with current smartphones we're already going around with sort of tricorders [13:29] who 10 years ago could have foreseen this kind of development? [13:29] :) [13:30] * dobey [13:31] i guess the one would be a billionaire now :) [13:32] i wish [13:33] he said, caressing his stack of ARM Holdings plc's shares… [13:34] (I don't actually know if their shares did good) [13:34] pmcgowan, hey, do you use the twitter scope? When I "open on twitter" from the scope it goes to the browser instead of the twitter webapp, I have a feeling it is not using the url-dispatcher for this [13:36] sergiusens, i have the feeling there is something wrong with url-dispatcher in general, i just had a pdf that didnt offer me any app to open [13:36] (document viewer is installed) [13:37] (pdf in a website that is) [13:37] I also noticed something similar from file-browser [13:38] oh wow, ARM Holdings shares went 10x in 10 years [13:38] and even more wow google finance and yahoo finance actually do use Flash (!) [13:39] ogra_, the webbrowser itself does not use url-dispatcher at all as oSoMoN mentioned many times :-) [13:39] oh ? [13:39] what is the window i get when i pick "download that link" ? [13:39] it definitely looks like the url dispatcher window [13:40] (from the long-press context menu) [13:40] thanks for all the info [13:40] sergiusens, I don't use it [13:41] hmm [13:41] ogra_, urldisptacher or content hub [13:53] pmcgowan, dunno, the thing that lets you select an app to open a file :P [13:53] thats content hub, did it offer you any apps? === archangel_ is now known as Guest98107 [13:53] no [13:53] not a single one [13:54] hmm same issue reported on the mailing list [13:54] can you check your conf [13:54] one sec [13:54] i could copy the link, paste it in the terminal app to wget and download it ... then i could open it with document viewer [13:55] ogra_, dconf dump / [13:55] should show entries for [com/ubuntu/content/hub/destination], [com/ubuntu/content/hub/share] and [com/ubuntu/content/hub/source] [13:56] http://paste.ubuntu.com/15650915/ [13:56] that looks ok === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [13:56] yeah [13:56] what going on [13:56] kenvandine, ^^ [13:57] pmcgowan, alos ... on fireza the reboot option sometimes only restarts the dash [13:58] report bugs I suppose then [13:58] yep [13:58] maybe it crashes the shell before doing the reboot [13:59] * ogra_ really loves libertine ... so much fun [14:00] proper xterm ftw *g* [14:02] hi all, have you seen the update? [14:03] you want an update about the update ? [14:05] * kenvandine reads [14:07] yes ,please [14:07] ogra_, what happens when you try to download a pdf from http://www.mikeasoft.com/research/ [14:08] that's what i use when testing :) [14:09] kenvandine, i get a popup in the middle of the screen when i tap it [14:09] and i dont get the download option at all in the long-press menu [14:09] thats different [14:11] kenvandine, http://www.hackster.io/vocore/products [14:11] kenvandine, scroll down, there is a "datasheet" link [14:11] woah [14:12] and that works too now ... (i rebooted since i had the issue) [14:13] what do you think about the new interface? [14:15] I don't like the new Switch... [14:15] weird [14:15] ogra_, so you're good? [14:15] kenvandine, until it happens next time, yeah :) [14:16] but what are the main changes with ota 10? [14:17] a lot [14:18] I saw only the VPN and the mouse in settings... [14:18] something around 220 bugs fixed [14:20] ah, even more ... [14:20] https://plus.google.com/+BogdanB/posts/8nGDma5aiRG [14:21] what is it? [14:21] there is a link to the details [14:22] mterry, looking at your timezone-name branch, since that's a private API only used in that plugin i don't think we really need to bump the API version [14:22] details of what? I saw it but i didn't understand [14:22] unless that is used somewhere else, like the wizard? [14:22] * kenvandine hasn't looked at the wizard lately [14:23] mike00, the issues that have been fixed between ota 9.1 and ota 10 [14:23] ah [14:23] thanks [14:23] but why the version is still 15.04? [14:23] kenvandine: unity8 wizard uses it to set timezone on first boot [14:23] because that is what the bottom layer is using [14:24] mterry, ok, that's what i needed to know. then i'm fine with bumping the version [14:25] kenvandine: it was recently added to wizard for ota10 [14:26] mterry, great, we needed that! [14:35] mike00: because migrating to a newer base version of ubuntu for the phone images is an extremely complicated non-trivial task [14:35] thanks [14:36] because 15.10 has gcc5, which breaks binary compat, and would thus break many things in the store [14:36] all development happens on top of that bottom layer anyway [14:36] (the phone is not bound to the distro release schedule) [14:43] but why the design is all so flat??? I don't like the keyboard now... and neither the Switches... [14:43] you will have to ask the design team :) [14:43] is there a IRC channel? [14:44] mpt, do you guys have an IRC channel ? (the last one i knew was the ayatana one, i guess thats dead nowadays) [14:51] after the update, I saw the bluetooth doesn't work at all: I have an audio device and when it is Switched on the phone sholud connect automatically, and it happend but when I raise the volume I see "speakers" instead "bluetooth device" and when I play a song I listen to it drom the phone speakres... [14:51] from the phone speakers* [14:56] hmm, nexus4 doesn't find my jawbone [15:03] I updated my phone, BQ Aquaris E5. After the update, I have Gmail and Dekko, Here Maps and uNav. Is it not a "bug" to have two applications which do approximately the same things? (and Dekko and uNav are native by the way, not Here Maps and Gmail...) [15:08] arnaudober3: system updates don't remove apps you installed from the store, for sure [15:09] and i think HERE is how the agps stuff is enabled [15:09] I connected the phone to the pc via usb and I opened the SDK. the phone ask me if allow usb debug, but are there some usb debug settings, like "always wake"? [15:09] @dobey: Yeah I know, but Here Maps and GMail were installed by default on my phone. ;) I didn't downloaded them. :/ [15:09] 'cause when I try to execute an app on the phone I always have to unlock the screen... [15:10] arnaudober3: did you install updates to them? [15:10] mike00: no. "usb debug" is just adb [15:10] ok [15:11] mike00: "enable usb debugging" is also what the android UI calls it [15:11] @dobey: Yeah, it's possible. :/ [15:11] Yeah, i know === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [15:37] Hi [15:38] I am trying to follow https://wiki2.ubports.com/wiki/Installation-of-ubuntu-touch-on-fairphone [15:38] but getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/15653382/ [15:39] Target device cannot be reached over adb [15:39] however this is most probably not the real problem but something else [15:40] (strace log http://paste.ubuntu.com/15653422/ [15:40] ) [15:41] mhall119, ^ [15:58] keesj: I think the Fairphone 2 still requires a hack to get adb working [15:58] mariogrip: ^^ can you confirm and help keesj ? [15:58] we can continue here. [15:58] mhall119: we are over at the #fairphone channel [15:59] ok [15:59] mariogrip: ack, thanks [16:00] mhall119: some news on when to update/refresh the docs, people tell me it's really hard even when they follow the porting guide [16:03] mariogrip: are you asking or telling? [16:03] both [16:07] mhall119: also, have you got your new device? === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader [16:09] not yet :/ [16:20] anyone else have a jawbone era headset? it doesn't show up in the bt settings of my mako when trying to pair it [16:26] ChrisTownsend, so what else did you have to do for vlc ... the sleep alone seems not enough [16:27] (i dont get any dbus error anymore, but it still fails with "no dialogs provider found") [16:32] ChrisTownsend, oh, ignore that ... forgot the ldconfig call [16:32] work ! [16:32] *works [16:34] ogra_: Cool! I've entered bug reports for the two bugs, so I'll get those fixed soon-ish. [16:34] cool ! === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === nuclearbob is now known as nuclearbob_afk [19:20] my arale isnt able to get gps signals in unav and here...any ideas how to troubleshoot this? [19:21] also, is there a way to reflash imei on arale after coming back from cyanogenmod? [19:25] Isotop7, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/location-service#Forensics [19:26] Isotop7, do you have the Here stuff enabled? its much better with it [19:26] pmcgowan: ty [19:26] pmcgowan: here stuff? [19:27] you mean location based on gps and anonymous data? [19:27] there is agps capability [19:27] using wifi aps and such [19:27] Flashing cyanogenmod might have touched firmware blob partitions we do not touch [19:28] (especially if you say your IMEI is gone) [19:31] ogra_: in cm i could reflash nvram.img with my MP0B_001 containing my imei but in ut this does not work... [19:34] ubuntu-device-flash explicitly leaves all factory partitions alone... If you wiped something of that I don't know how you could get it back [19:35] ogra_ ty anyway :) [19:36] overall im pretty satisfied with the better performance and more functions in comparisons to early versions i tested :) [19:36] congrats [19:36] Yep, getting there... It gets better every 6 weeks... Like a clockwork [19:37] * BOHverkill updates his e4.5 to ota-10 and gets excited [19:56] popey: Do you know where I could find the amd64 click for ubuntu terminal? [19:57] tedg: do you mind a multi-arch one? [19:57] or do you specifically want amd64 only? [19:57] popey: multi arch is fine [19:58] popey: I just want it installable :-) [19:59] tedg: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.180_multi.click [19:59] oh, the one in the store isn't multi any more :( [20:00] seemed pointless given there was no platform it could be installed on [20:01] emulator? [20:02] popey: Thanks! [20:02] but yeah, it's somewhat not nice that you can use unity8 on 16.04, but any c++ stuff you install from store probably won't work, because of gcc5 === nuclearbob_afk is now known as nuclearbob === gr is now known as Guest74556 [21:07] Hi! [21:07] Any images been made for the Sony Xperia Z3 Compact Tablet? [21:15] !devices [21:15] You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices === salem_ is now known as _salem [21:40] Seems like the first model is supported. [21:40] scorpion_windy. [21:53] :D my nexus 4 arrived today, flashed ubuntu touch on it in a matter of minutes, im impressed just by that :D