[00:00] <edaq> field of study
[00:00] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: Konversation is the best client btw :)
[00:00] <edaq> it is
[00:00] <edaq> I use quassel and text only ones
[00:00] <edaq> but like konversation
[00:01] <edaq> it is really nice on KDE
[00:01] <MichaelTunnell> and to be fair, AOL chat rooms were reminiscent of IRC. I think IRC started in the 1970s
[00:01] <edaq> I thought IRC started in 1990s
[00:01] <edaq> after a commercial version
[00:02] <edaq> IRC replaced a commercial version of IRC
[00:02] <edaq> at least on wiki
[00:02] <MichaelTunnell> technically IRC replaced BBS which was much earlier but IRC started in 1988
[00:02] <edaq> yeah
[00:02] <Guest12447> The first time I ever "talked" to anyone via the internet was through AOL on my roomates computer back in the 90's
[00:02] <edaq> close to 90s
[00:02] <edaq> yeah
[00:02] <edaq> I like IRC better
[00:03] <MichaelTunnell> BBS was in 70s my bad
[00:03] <Guest12447> I remember references to IRC but never explored it
[00:03] <MichaelTunnell> still way before AOL :)
[00:03] <edaq> yes
[00:04] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: that's not surprising, AOL was my first as well. It's just that IRC was before AOL and still exists unlike AOL (well ok sure it exists kind of)
[00:04] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: what are you using to be in this room? The freenode webchat?
[00:05] <Guest12447> I just installed Kubuntu on an older laptop to see what Linux was all about and I'm just running through the installed programs one by one and came across Konversation
[00:06] <MichaelTunnell> oh nice. :) You got to experience IRC first through one of the best clients . . . that is lucky :)
[00:07] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: are you interested in learning about Linux and KDE Plasma?
[00:07] <MichaelTunnell> if so http://tuxdigital.com/youtube ;)
[00:08] <MichaelTunnell> I made a couple Kubuntu based videos that you might be interested in
[00:09] <Guest12447> I recently started regularly using open source software (such as LibreOffice) as a free alternative to Microsoft Office and figured I'd try out a free operating system
[00:10] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: that's great to hear :)
[00:10] <edaq> nice
[00:11] <Guest12447> Thanks, I'll be sure to check out some of the videos
[00:11] <MichaelTunnell> :)
[00:11] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: how do you like Kubuntu so far?
[00:12] <HetroErectus> Guest12447, thats how i started aswell... since i used mainly open source anyway, why not run the same software on a free os :)
[00:14] <Guest12447> A bit of a learning curve but it is very Windows-like (hope that's not like a curse-word on here).  I was using Ubuntu for a couple of weeks on an even older laptop and then decided to try this flavor
[00:16] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: actually KDE Plasma was designed to be Windows-like at first so people can transition easily. Once you get hooked then you can explore the awesome power of Plasma :)
[00:16] <Guest12447> To HetroErectus:  I already used Thunderbird, FileZilla, Chrome, and LibreOffice on Windows so yea, why not try Linux since they're all available
[00:16] <HetroErectus> lol.. same software here
[00:17] <HetroErectus> + gimp, hexchat +++
[00:17] <HetroErectus> minus thunderbird, i just use gmail and a chrome plugin :)
[00:18] <MichaelTunnell> my reason for moving was essentially the same thing . . . practically everything I used was available on Linux so I moved but this was a very long time ago and now I dont remember what most of those were :)
[00:18] <Guest12447> Ah Gimp...thing I'll go download that now
[00:18] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: have you ever used Photoshop?
[00:18] <Guest12447> I have many email addresses through my own domain so I always needed an email client
[00:19] <MichaelTunnell> Thunderbird is a great client for sure
[00:19] <MichaelTunnell> one of the best if not the best
[00:19] <HetroErectus> kdenlive is actually a huge plus for me ... pro free videoediting ability
[00:19] <HetroErectus> or openshot but kdenlive is sharper
[00:19] <Guest12447> I never really needed the power of a Photoshop and never took the time to learn it's features
[00:19] <MichaelTunnell> openshot is atrocious garbage but kdenlive is amazing and Shotcut is pretty good too
[00:19] <HetroErectus> windows doesnt have that, though openshot eventually moved there which crashed my previous win 10 install.. thats why i went kubuntu
[00:20] <HetroErectus> or i think it had something to do with it
[00:20] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: good. I was just curious of possible expectation. For 80% of the planet GIMP is awesome and plenty
[00:20] <MichaelTunnell> HetroErectus: Shotcut works on Windows. Openshot is terrible regardless of the platform it runs on
[00:20] <HetroErectus> unstable? i havent used it much honestly
[00:20] <MichaelTunnell> OpenShot is a joke when compared to Windows Movie Maker and that is just sad
[00:21] <Guest12447> I use the free Paint.net on my windows machine - it does all of the limited things i need it for
[00:21] <HetroErectus> yeah well kdenlive is what i like anyway.. its been rock solid
[00:21] <Guest12447> kdenlive is a video editor?
[00:21] <HetroErectus> yep
[00:21] <MichaelTunnell> it's unstable yea but that doesn't matter . . . when it does work it has basically no features at all. You can't do precision clip cutting and that is a fundamental of video editing
[00:22] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: yea Kdenlive is an awesome video editor and it works fantastic in Kubuntu (using it now)
[00:22] <HetroErectus> that bad.. well im going to attemt some youtubing and that means i wanted kdenlive
[00:22] <HetroErectus> it was that or crack some less nice payware for windows.. choice was obious
[00:22] <HetroErectus> in fact of all video editors ive tried, payware or not, i liked kdenlive the best
[00:23] <Guest12447> OK just to be sure I'm following this correctly...you both agree that kdenlive is great but OpenShot is terrible?
[00:23] <MichaelTunnell> HetroErectus: if you've never done in depth editing here is a tip . . . right before each scene do a clap so there is a large spike in the audio. This is what that slate thing on movie sets are for.
[00:23] <MichaelTunnell> You use the audio waveform in the editor to see where the spikes are so you can skip most of the bad takes.
[00:23] <HetroErectus> Guest12447, kdenlive is much better than openshot ... openshot is simple but like he says, it lacks some stuff
[00:23] <HetroErectus> i cant think of anything i havent found in kdenlive when ive played with it
[00:24] <HetroErectus> if openshot is for total noobs, kdenlive can actually be used by pro's
[00:24] <Guest12447> Precision clipping seems as basic as it gets
[00:24] <HetroErectus> yep
[00:24] <MichaelTunnell> HetroErectus: here is why OpenShot sucks . . . Openshot does not let you see the waveform so precision editing is impossible. lol
[00:24] <HetroErectus> yep
[00:24] <HetroErectus> and theres kopete, with OTR
[00:25] <MichaelTunnell> Pitivi is super beta and really buggy but at least you can see the freaking waveform lol
[00:25] <HetroErectus> off the record messaging.. strongest encryption obtainable for chatting..
[00:25] <HetroErectus> same encryption format wikileaks etc encrypts its stuff with
[00:25] <HetroErectus> NSA-graded
[00:26] <HetroErectus> plus it has camera support unlike pidgin
[00:26] <MichaelTunnell> Kopete is good
[00:26] <HetroErectus> so kopete and kdenlive is why i like KDE
[00:26] <MichaelTunnell> Pidgin has stuff Kopete doesn't though like UI controls
[00:26] <HetroErectus> as long as it has OTR by default and camera i dont care
[00:27] <MichaelTunnell> it doesnt have OTR by default you have to enable it and same with Pidgin.
[00:27] <HetroErectus> ah ok.. i didnt remember that
[00:27] <MichaelTunnell> because it needs to make sure the person on the other end can receive OTR because not all services can
[00:27] <HetroErectus> i mean, in pidgin you have to install a plugin after it ...
[00:28] <Guest12447> OK...total nube question...KDE Plasma is the name of the graphical interface for Kubuntu (if those terms are even correct)
[00:28] <Guest12447> ?
[00:28] <HetroErectus> yeah
[00:28] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: yes and no but mostly yes :)
[00:28] <HetroErectus> MichaelTunnell, nice thing about otr is it can run across any chat network independently.. as long as your client can connect to it
[00:28] <HetroErectus> google, irc, skype.. doesnt matter
[00:28] <HetroErectus> both clients needs otr but thats it
[00:29] <HetroErectus> all a middleman will see is: #"sdaE"#42eddww22 ...
[00:30] <MichaelTunnell> HetroErectus: it does matter because sadly some services block it now
[00:30] <MichaelTunnell> Google Hangouts, Facebook, etc
[00:30] <HetroErectus> :(
[00:30] <HetroErectus> new to me
[00:30] <HetroErectus> not irc though, or jabber, or aim
[00:30] <MichaelTunnell> HetroErectus: Hangouts is iffy because they killed their XMPP server . . . they might still allow it but it's a proprietary protocol now.
[00:31] <MichaelTunnell> I guarantee Facebook did it because I used to use OTR on Facebook and then I received a message saying it was against their TOS
[00:32] <HetroErectus> yep i belive you.. facebook doesnt like stuff they cant stick theyre nose in
[00:32] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: to clarify my response. Kubuntu is named after KDE Plasma + Ubuntu. However, KDE Plasma is only one peace of the awesome KDE Project.
[00:32] <HetroErectus> everything you put up there is "theyres" ... so if you end up in the newspapers, facebook can charge CNN for the info you've put up there... or CIA
[00:32] <MichaelTunnell> and KDE Plasma
[00:33] <HetroErectus> which is one of many reasons i dislike facebook
[00:33] <MichaelTunnell> KDE Plasma is the desktop environment and KWin is the window manager and so on so the answer is Yes but also only partially
[00:33] <HetroErectus> still use it because of easy registration though
[00:33] <MichaelTunnell> same, I have Facebook accounts purely because I work partially in social media so I have to but otherwise I'd never use it
[00:34] <MichaelTunnell> dont use facebook registration or login for anything you actually care about
[00:34] <MichaelTunnell> facebook also has your login at that point
[00:34] <HetroErectus> true
[00:35] <Guest12447> I guess Dolphin is my window manager?
[00:35] <HetroErectus> no thats your file browser
[00:35] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: Dolphin is the File Manager. KWin is the Window Manager
[00:36] <HetroErectus> its like explorer in windows
[00:36] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: I was going a bit too detailed honestly, you don't really need to know what a window manager is or how they differ from desktop environments. It doesn't matter really. :)
[00:36] <MichaelTunnell> unless you want to know.
[00:36] <HetroErectus> yeah .. just play around with it like it was windows
[00:36] <Guest12447> Not sure I'm understanding the difference
[00:37] <HetroErectus> you wont really .. its not that different from windows
[00:38] <HetroErectus> if you stick to using it like windows you can
[00:38] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: do you want to know the difference? If you're the type of "meh as long as it works" then we can skip it. That's perfectly fine stance to have.
[00:38] <HetroErectus> yep
[00:38] <tux|dude> What's this about?
[00:39] <HetroErectus> linux for noobs
[00:39] <HetroErectus> we're helping out a bit
[00:39] <tux|dude> Oh lol
[00:39] <Guest12447> I would like to know the difference between a file manager and window manager if you have a moment to elaborate
[00:39] <tux|dude> Might as well pitch in as well
[00:39] <MichaelTunnell> I should have clarified earlier that Windows is not a dirty word here. We don't care what people use as long as they enjoy their computing experience though of course we'd prefer it be Kubuntu but doesn't matter. :)
[00:39] <tux|dude> File managers are like windows explorer and all that. You use them to navigate the file system
[00:39] <HetroErectus> Guest12447, linux is like a cake with different layers
[00:40] <tux|dude> Window managers are like the backend of the system, they do all the handling of the windows and other important parts of the UI
[00:40] <HetroErectus> Guest12447, you can run it barebone ... just a commandlike
[00:40] <MichaelTunnell> HetroErectus: one topic at a time :)
[00:40] <HetroErectus> Guest12447, or you can put on some cream ... like a window manager, and have a graphical OS that looks like windows 10
[00:40] <HetroErectus> ok ... im trying to explain it in a easy way
[00:41] <MichaelTunnell> I see where you're going now . . . it just seem like you were taking much longer to get to the window manager. My bad, that's a fine analogy.
[00:41] <HetroErectus> windows is like more like a soup... it wont run without parts of it.. linux however, will
[00:41] <HetroErectus> you can make linux into anything you like
[00:42] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: Window Managers are backend software that handles the drawing, moving, sizing, positioning, etc of the windows of a system.
[00:43] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: Desktop Environment is a larger suite of software that does more such as the panels, start menus, system trays, etc.
[00:43] <Guest12447> I think I got it.  Windows was once just a graphical interface over DOS - making it more attractive and easier to use  (Like GeOS was an overlay on Commodore CBM)
[00:43] <HetroErectus> linux: layers like a cake, or a set of lego, where you can add several bricks and build it into anything you'd like basically ... windows: a soup of DLL's, runtimes etc that make up a complete OS
[00:44] <MichaelTunnell> KWin is the window manager and KDE Plasma is the suite, KWin is also a part of the suite.
[00:44] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: you got it
[00:44] <HetroErectus> yep
[00:46] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: KDE Plasma is not the only DE though, in Linux there are many as you saw with Ubuntu (proper).
[00:46] <MichaelTunnell> KDE Plasma just happens to be the best. :)
[00:48] <Guest12447> I played with Ubuntu and Fedora (I think)...KDE is the one I've stuck with the longest (a whopping three weeks)
[00:49] <MichaelTunnell> that's great . . .soon 3 months and then 3 years. :)
[00:50] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: Linux is actually really easy to use . . . it's the terminology that is confusing even sometimes I get annoyed by how confusing it is. I understand it and it still annoys me.
[00:50] <MichaelTunnell> like Ubuntu, Fedora, Kubuntu are what is called Linux Distributions aka Distros.
[00:51] <MichaelTunnell> KDE Plasma is a DE that runs on lots of distros.
[00:51] <MichaelTunnell> so Kubuntu is Ubuntu using KDE Plasma instead of the default "Unity" DE.
[00:52] <Guest12447> so....Ubuntu and Kubuntu are basically the same at their core?  It's just the human-facing interface that is different?
[00:53] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: you got it
[00:53] <Guest12447> Yay me!
[00:53] <Guest12447> I noticed that the software available to the different "distros" varies
[00:54] <MichaelTunnell> Kubuntu also has different applications than Ubuntu by default because of the different app stack but everything in Kubuntu works in Ubuntu and vice versa . . . just different defaults
[00:54] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: yes Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, etc are all very different in terms of availability because they have a LOT of underlying things that are different.
[00:55] <MichaelTunnell> so packages in Ubuntu won't work in Fedora and vice versa.
[00:55] <MichaelTunnell> Ubuntu and Kubuntu are like family distros so they are pretty much completely compatible with each other.
[00:56] <MichaelTunnell> it's not a good idea to run multiple DEs at the same time, it's possible but not recommended so that's why I say "pretty much completely compatible".
[00:57] <MichaelTunnell> application-wise they are completely compatible.
[00:57] <MichaelTunnell> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Ubuntu MATE, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, and more are all completely compatible with application availability. . . they just all have different UIs
[00:58] <Guest12447> I'm down to just two distros - Kubuntu on this computer and a 32-Bit Ubuntu on an older laptop
[00:58] <Guest12447> I've seen GNOME mentioned alot since I started dabbling in Linux - it's just another DE?
[00:59] <HetroErectus> its basically gtk vs qt ... ways graphics interface are processed i guess
[00:59] <HetroErectus> qt is said to be a bit more efficient though
[00:59] <HetroErectus> gnome is gtk
[01:00] <HetroErectus> so is unity
[01:00] <HetroErectus> while kde is qt
[01:01] <Guest12447> Extremely thankful for your patience...do you have time to describe GTK and QT?
[01:01] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: yes GNOME is another DE.
[01:02] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: sure one moment
[01:06] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: ok so GTK and Qt are the two biggest "names" in window toolkits.
[01:07] <MichaelTunnell> KWin is a Window Manager and Qt is the preferred toolkit that it uses to render the windows.
[01:08] <MichaelTunnell> GNOME is a DE and they use the window manager Mutter with the toolkit, GTK.
[01:09] <MichaelTunnell> in Linux apps are typically made for GTK or Qt. There are other toolkits but they are practically unused by the majority of developers.
[01:09] <MichaelTunnell> GTK is the most popular toolkit based on numbers in Linux. However, Qt is more popular cross platform because it transitions better to other systems than GTK does.
[01:12] <MichaelTunnell> For example, Firefox, Thunderbird and FileZilla use GTK.
[01:13] <Guest12447> I think we may be going deeper than I need to now
[01:14] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: yea toolkits are pretty deep. :)
[01:14] <MichaelTunnell> but quick note, Ubuntu's Unity currently version 7 is written in GTK but they've decided to rewrite it so Unity 8 will be in Qt.
[01:15] <MichaelTunnell> so while GTK is currently the most popular, Qt will be making a big dent in that soon. :)
[01:15] <Guest12447> I'm going to spend some more swimming around in the basics before I jump into the deep end of toolkits
[01:19] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: I agree . . . in my opinion, you already swam in the deep end with asking about Desktop Environments, Window Managers, etc.
[01:19] <MichaelTunnell> tookits are like getting into the ocean of complexity. :)
[01:20] <MichaelTunnell> so yea easing it is a good thing because while Linux is not hard to use and is quite easy in fact . . . it can totally get complicated pretty fast when you start digging in. :)
[01:20] <Guest12447> With giant squids and great white whales
[01:22] <Guest12447> OK, let's back it off a bit...can I change from Guest12447 to a permanent "handle" with Konversation?
[01:24] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: yes but you need to create the permanent handle via Freenode
[01:25] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: here is a page on Freenode that explains how. https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
[01:25] <MichaelTunnell> do NOT use this channel to register. uses the Server window to do that
[01:25] <MichaelTunnell> dont want to screw up and expose your password just because of weird syntax issue. :)
[01:26] <MichaelTunnell> once you get registered let me know and I will guide you through setting it up in Konversation.
[01:26] <MichaelTunnell> also save your password in a password manager for safe keeping. :)
[01:27] <Guest12447> Excellent.  I'll read through it tomorrow.
[01:27] <Guest12447> MichaelTunnell & HetroErectus:  thank you so much for your time tonight!
[01:28] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: you're welcome.
[01:28] <MichaelTunnell> tomorrow your name will probably reset to another guest randomness so just remind me about helping setup your permanent nick.
[01:29] <Guest12447> Will do!  Thanks guys.  Goodnight.
[01:29] <MichaelTunnell> Guest12447: I see that you used my full name in your last message. Did you find tab complete?
[01:29] <Guest12447> lol.  No, I manually typed it
[01:29] <MichaelTunnell> if not . . . type just "mi" and hit tab on your keyboard and enjoy the awesomeness.
[01:29] <Guest12447> ah, nice
[01:29] <Guest12447> MichaelTunnell: ah, nice
[01:30] <ahoneybun> sweet
[01:30] <MichaelTunnell> :)
[01:30] <MichaelTunnell> Konversation does this feature the best. :)
[01:30] <Guest12447> Peace, all.
[01:30] <MichaelTunnell> cya
[01:30] <ahoneybun> thanks for the support MichaelTunnell
[01:31] <MichaelTunnell> ahoneybun: you're welcome. :) Always happy to help.
[01:31] <ahoneybun> it's so nice to see some new people hanging around
[01:31] <MichaelTunnell> ahoneybun: I
[01:31] <MichaelTunnell> meant to do an apostrophe dang it
[01:32] <MichaelTunnell> I'm somewhat new here but you might know my other nick. RottNKorpse. I'm a producer for Linux Unplugged and Linux Action Show.
[01:32] <ahoneybun> oh sweet
[01:33] <ahoneybun> I think I have seen that one before
[01:33] <MichaelTunnell> you've been on Linux Unplugged. :)
[01:33] <ahoneybun> more in the JB network last time I was in there
[01:33] <MichaelTunnell> the episode about Kubuntu Podcast advice
[01:33] <ahoneybun> yea I'm still not good at that lol
[01:34] <vino> Hi
[01:34] <ahoneybun> hey vino
[01:34] <MichaelTunnell> I saw the one for today. It's fine overall it just needs a bit cleaned up because there doesn't seem to be a clear guide in segments.
[01:34] <vino> i can't update or remove the software
[01:35] <MichaelTunnell> vino: what software?
[01:35] <vino> sendanywhere
[01:35] <vino> software
[01:36] <vino> i have tried in command mode sudo remove sendanywhere and sudo purge sendanywhere that shows error
[01:37] <MichaelTunnell> sendanywhere is not in the repo so link to where you got it?
[01:37] <vino> just min
[01:38] <vino> https://send-anywhere.com/
[01:38] <vino> i download linux version
[01:40] <vino> Please help to remove this
[01:40] <vino> beacuse of i can't install other software too
[01:40] <vino> getting error
[01:45] <vino> can anyone  slove this problem ??
[01:46] <MichaelTunnell> vino: ok so I've never seen this app before but if you are willing to wait. I'll install it and see what all it is doing but I will do that in a VM so it might take a bit.
[01:46] <vino> okay i will wait thanks
[01:47] <vino> this is app to share photos and media files from mobile to laptop
[01:48] <MichaelTunnell> vino: already well for future reference Syncthing is fantastic and if it is just one time . . . Linux has built in support so you can just do that through Dolphin.
[01:49] <vino> Yes Using Software center can't update or remove
[01:50] <vino> this shows error i will ping error wait
[01:50] <MichaelTunnell> well first lets try this . . . open the main menu, bottom left KDE icon.
[01:50] <vino> yes
[01:50] <MichaelTunnell> type the word "konsole"
[01:51] <MichaelTunnell> once you have that opened run the following command
[01:51] <MichaelTunnell> sudo apt remove sendanywhere
[01:51] <vino> yes thanks then
[01:51] <vino> dpkg: error processing package sendanywhere (--remove):  package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should  reinstall it before attempting a removal Errors were encountered while processing:  sendanywhere E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:52] <vino> error and stopped
[01:54] <MichaelTunnell> try to reinstall it with the deb I suppose and then try again
[01:54] <vino> okay thanks Michael
[01:57] <vino> i will try and ping you once its finished
[08:10] <BlueProtoman> Help!  I can't log in graphically!  It's just a blank screen; I *am* able to log in via a TTY, though (I'm writing this on irssi).  I'm on Kubuntu 15.10.  What do I do?
[08:14] <hateball> BlueProtoman: Check that you're the owner of ~/.Xauthority
[08:14] <hateball> BlueProtoman: What has changed between things working and now? Have you been running GUI applications with sudo?
[08:16] <BlueProtoman> hateball: Yes, I have...
[08:17] <BlueProtoman> hateball: synaptic, mostly
[08:20] <BlueProtoman> hateball: I do own ~/.Xauthority, though
[08:21] <hateball> BlueProtoman: can you check if ~/.xsession-errors  has any interesting info?
[08:21] <hateball> BlueProtoman: If you "need" to run gui apps as root, use kdesudo
[08:21] <BlueProtoman> hateball: What am I looking for?  It's huge
[08:22] <hateball> BlueProtoman: Well, the latest entries really, after a failed login
[08:22] <hateball> BlueProtoman: Does SDDM start at all?
[08:22] <hateball> or are you not even able to see the login screen
[08:23] <BlueProtoman> hateball: Not even the login screen.  SDDM does not start.  I can log in via terminal, though (I'm on Irssi right now)
[08:24] <hateball> BlueProtoman: What has changed since you could? Have you done any updates of packages?
[08:24] <BlueProtoman> hateball: Not that I recall, but I could be wrong.  How can I check the logs?
[08:24] <hateball> If you are unsure, look through /var/log/apt/history*
[08:25] <hateball> Perhaps a new kernel, or video driver. What setup are you running?
[08:26] <BlueProtoman> hateball: Samsung QX411-W01 with a combo nVidia GeForce 520M/Intel HD 5000.  However, this was working just fine until today (I used nVidia's thing to always leave the nVidia GPU on)
[08:27] <BlueProtoman> I noticed that today my nVidia GPU was off, so I re-enabled it then shut my computer off for an unrelated reason.
[08:29] <BlueProtoman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15665170/
[08:29] <BlueProtoman> That's my /var/log/apt/history.log
[08:32] <hateball> BlueProtoman: There's at least a kernel update there, you could try rebooting and picking an older kernel in GRUB to start with
[08:32] <BlueProtoman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15665202/
[08:32] <BlueProtoman> That's my last 20 lines of .xsession-errors, too
[08:33] <BlueProtoman> The song titles at the beginning are what I was listening to before I shut off my computer
[08:33] <hateball> I chuckled :D
[08:33] <BlueProtoman> And it looks like that KCrash is where things started
[08:33] <BlueProtoman> But it wasn't a crash...
[08:33] <BlueProtoman> ...it was a crash lobster!
[08:34] <hateball> BlueProtoman: just for good measure, have a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log also
[08:34] <BlueProtoman> hateball: What am I looking for?
[08:34] <hateball> Well, errors :)
[08:35] <hateball> BlueProtoman: are you using proprietary nvidia driver from repos, or how is it installed?
[08:35] <BlueProtoman> hateball: Proprietary drivers, yes
[08:35] <BlueProtoman> This is my /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
[08:35] <BlueProtoman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15665232/
[08:36] <BlueProtoman> I don't understand what happened, because I didn't make any major system changes (at least not knowingly)
[08:37] <hateball> BlueProtoman: Well there is the kernel update. I suggest you reboot, hold/hammer left shift to get into grub menu, pick an older kernel than 4.2.0-35 which you are using now
[08:37] <hateball> BlueProtoman: See if that works, and then we can go from there
[08:37] <BlueProtoman> hateball: Will do, brb
[08:40] <BlueProtoman> hateball: It worked!
[08:40] <mohan3> Hey. I'm running Kubuntu 15.10 (Plasma 5.4.2) and am having a weird network problem. I'm on a university network, and I can access internet fine via wifi from my router. But, when I connect to other networks on campus, I'm unable to access internet - pages do not load. Any help on how to troubleshoot this
[08:41] <hateball> BlueProtoman: Then the problem is likely that the nvidia module hasnt been built by dkms for the updated kernel
[08:41] <BlueProtoman> hateball: So should I just wait a few days or something?
[08:42] <hateball> BlueProtoman: I am looking how to force a dkms rebuild, I cant remember off the top of my head
[08:44] <hateball> BlueProtoman: can you paste "dpkg -l |grep nvidia"
[08:44] <BlueProtoman> hateball: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15665303/
[08:45] <hateball> BlueProtoman: oh, you are using the nvidia ppa?
[08:45] <BlueProtoman> hateball: Yes.
[08:45] <BlueProtoman> And besides today's incident it works fine.
[08:45] <hateball> BlueProtoman: Then I suggest you "sudo apt-get install nvidia-361"
[08:46] <BlueProtoman> hateball: Why, what's so special about 361?  Will it work on my hardware?
[08:46] <BlueProtoman> I don't feel like dealing with this crap again right now
[08:46] <hateball> 358 was a beta release, 361 is the new stable
[08:46] <hateball> 364 is new beta but it's broken in some places and I think it doesnt work properly with hybrid gpus
[08:47] <hateball> BlueProtoman: or you can try sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-358, but I am guessing it will fail to build the module for the new kernel
[08:47] <hateball> I use the same ppa you see
[08:50] <mohan3> Hey. Sorry for the repost. I'm running Kubuntu 15.10 (Plasma 5.4.2) and am having a weird network problem. I'm on a university network, and I can access internet fine via wifi from my router. But, when I connect to other networks on campus, I'm unable to access internet - pages do not load. Any help on how to troubleshoot this?
[08:51] <BlueProtoman> hateball: OK, but if this screws me up again it's on you!
[08:51] <hateball> BlueProtoman: You can always revert to 358
[08:52] <hateball> BlueProtoman: And for the record, it's on *you* to do what you want with free advice
[08:52] <BlueProtoman> hateball: All the same, thank you for the help!
[08:53] <hateball> mohan3: What does "your router" mean? Is it something supplied by the campus? Does it come with a proxy that you do not have otherwise?
[08:54] <mohan3> hateball: wifi router. No, it's a personal router. It does not have a proxy.
[08:55] <BlueProtoman> mohan3: Don't universities typically not allow personal routers because it might interfere with their own infrastructure?
[08:55] <BlueProtoman> I know mine doesn't for that reason
[08:55] <hateball> mohan3: Well if it's a campus with associated wifi, I am sure you have a local IT dept you can talk to
[08:55] <mohan3> BlueProtoman: It's fine here.
[08:55] <hateball> It could be anything from white/blacklisting MAC address and so on
[08:55] <hateball> mohan3: Do you get a dhcp IP at all?
[08:56] <mohan3> hateball: hmm. So you think it is a service side problem and not something about my machine?
[08:56] <hateball> Some places also employ captive portals that only work with Windows clients, and silly things like that
[08:56] <mohan3> hateball: how do I check that? Using ifconfig?
[08:56] <hateball> mohan3: Yes
[08:57] <mohan3> hateball: I understand, but the thing is, I used to run an older Ubuntu; this trouble started only after a fresh install of Kubuntu a few months back
[08:58] <mohan3> hateball: I'll check the DHCP ip the next time I connect to another network. Is there anything else I could check for before approaching the campus IT people? They are a grumpy lot...
[08:58] <hateball> mohan3: Well there are so many different solutions they could be using
[08:58] <hateball> Perhaps they are fingerprinting your OS before allowing it network access, and they only allow say... older versions
[08:58] <hateball> etc etc
[08:59] <hateball> It's very hard to know in a corporate/controlled environment, which is why it is probably more useful to approach them friendly and ask :)
[08:59] <mohan3> hateball: hmm. Okay. I'll check with them first then, and see if I can rule something out. Thanks for the advice. I was quite clueless on how to proceed (thinking it was a problem of my laptop)
[09:00] <hateball> mohan3: Well first check that you can connect to the network at all. Then if you get a dhcp lease at all.
[09:00] <mohan3> hateball: yes, the connection goes through. But the dhcp lease, I haven't checked. I will...
[09:00] <mohan3> hateball: thank you for the help! I'll come back here after checking...
[09:37] <BlueProtoman> hateball: I broke it again.  :(
[09:38] <hateball> BlueProtoman: How so?
[09:38] <hateball> BlueProtoman: Which of my suggestions did you use?
[09:38] <hateball> Oh I must rush to lunch
[09:39] <BlueProtoman> hateball: I tried installing nvidia-361.  When that failed, I uninstalled and reinstalled 358
[09:48] <BlueProtoman> Help!  I can't boot X!  The login screen doesn't appear, though I'm able to log in via tty (I'm writing this via irssi).  I'm running Kubuntu 15.10 with a nVidia GeForce 520M/Intel HD 5000 combo via Optimus.  What do I do?
[09:48] <Krise> Can anyone plese help me to install ID card software, instructioans are here but i still need help
[09:48] <Krise> https://installer.id.ee/?lang=eng
[10:33] <hateball> oh they left
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:13] <mohan3> Hello. I'm having a network problem, running Kubuntu 15.10. I'm on a university network, and I'm able to access internet on the wifi router in my room, but nowhere else on campus. Problem persists for both with ethernet and wifi. An IP is getting leased to me, can ping 8.8.8.8, but cannot ping google.com. Can load local network websites using IP address, but not with their hostnames. Also cannot load outside websites using IP address
[12:15] <mohan3> I did speak to the network support. They were clueless. But they did confirm that there were no blocks, and that the network does not discriminate or throttle based on OS.
[12:17] <hateball> mohan3: Do you know what IP your internal DNS has?
[12:18] <hateball> mohan3: I'm thinking... perhaps the DNS server your campus has does not properly provide the DNS server when you request a lease.
[12:18] <mohan3> hateball: yes. The network support guys did configuring that manually. I have it with me.
[12:18] <hateball> That's awful. But alright!
[12:19] <hateball> mohan3: Did you enter it using the network-manager applet?
[12:19] <mohan3> hateball: Hmm. Would such a problem be preempted if the DNS was supplied manually? Because the network guys did that, and the symptoms were still the same.
[12:19] <mohan3> yes
[12:19] <mohan3> through the gui on plasma
[12:19] <nicofrand_cozy> hi
[12:20] <hateball> mohan3: That *should* just work. You can perform a few tests tho
[12:20] <hateball> mohan3: in a terminal, "dig @campus.dns.ip.here dns.name.of.internalserver"
[12:20] <mohan3> hateball: Sorry, didn't catch you. What should just work? Configuring dns manually?
[12:20] <mohan3> hang on
[12:20] <hateball> mohan3: Yea
[12:21] <hateball> mohan3: so for example "dig @1.2.3.4 www.campus.org"
[12:21] <mohan3> um sorry what is the dns.name.of.internal.server?
[12:21] <hateball> mohan3: That will ask the campus DNS server what it thinks the hostname resolves to
[12:21] <mohan3> okay hang on
[12:22] <mohan3> should I do it with the dns setting configured manually or not?
[12:22] <hateball> mohan3: when you do it with dig it doesnt matter since you're explicitly telling it to use that server for that request
[12:22] <mohan3> okay hang on
[12:22] <hateball> mohan3: so you can compare "dig @1.2.3.4 (your internal) www.google.com" to "dig @8.8.8.8 www.google.com"
[12:23] <nicofrand_cozy> I am having issues automounting CD-ROMs (not DVDs !) with kubuntu 15.10. Everything is fine if I "mount /dev/sr0 …" in root though (so the CDs work fine). In system settings > Removable devices, everything (mount auto checkbox) is checked for the "CD-ROM" line…
[12:23] <nicofrand_cozy> Would anyone have a hint ?
[12:23] <nicofrand_cozy> please
[12:23] <mohan3> hateball: hang on
[12:24] <mohan3> hateball: okay, so what should I look out for?
[12:25] <mohan3> hateball: both answers are different
[12:25] <BluesKaj> nicofrand_cozy, what type of cds , music, software, bootable image ?
[12:26] <mohan3> with @8.8.8.8, I get one answer in the answer section. The IP is 216.58.197.68
[12:26] <nicofrand_cozy> BluesKaj data (photos, videos, whatever)
[12:26] <mohan3> with the campus dns, I'm getting a whole bunch of different IPs for - all of them have 74.125.200. in common.
[12:28] <BluesKaj> nicofrand_cozy, ok what kind of dvd does mount ?
[12:28] <nicofrand_cozy> BluesKaj I did not check movies DVDs but DVDs with data on it work fine
[12:29] <hateball> mohan3: yes that's ok, as there are lots of servers serving google.com :)
[12:30] <hateball> mohan3: was just checking that you were getting *any* reply. Now if you just do "dig www.campussite.org" or some internal servername, it will use your system defined DNS server
[12:30] <hateball> mohan3: so that way we can see if it has been set properly in networkmanager
[12:30] <mohan3> hateball: dig without the @?
[12:32] <mohan3> when I try "dig www.google.com" or "dig internal.ip.address" connection times out
[12:33] <mohan3> hateball: but this is without the dns being configured manually in networkmanager
[12:34] <hateball> mohan3: yes, then that is to be expected. Now enter it and try again
[12:35] <hateball> mohan3: the @ means you're overriding the system dns settings
[12:35] <mohan3> hateball: sorry, I don't understand... enter what and try again? the manual dns setting?
[12:35] <hateball> mohan3: Enter the DNS server in network manager, yes. Then try "dig www.google.com" again
[12:35] <mohan3> hateball: okay, hang on
[12:36] <hateball> mohan3: The problem with adding DNS manually is that when you connect to the router in your home/room/whatever, it'll still use the "campus" dns server. Which might not be desirable
[12:36] <hateball> mohan3: You can work around this by creating a new connection called "Campus" where you set this DNS server, and then you have connection for "Home" that is all automatic
[12:37] <hateball> So then you can choose which connection to use in the network-manager
[12:37] <hateball> Or you could tell your campus IT to hand out DNS with their DHCP leases, like civilized folk
[12:38] <mohan3> hateball: um. okay, little lost here. I configured the campus DNS servers manually for the network. dig www.google.com still times out.
[12:38] <NaGERST> Hi
[12:39] <NaGERST> I get error "cannot connect to fcitx by dbus" in systemsettings when trying to reach the fctix settings. What should i do to get it working?
[12:39] <mohan3> hateball: and I should have specified it earlier - I'm still on the same campus network when I connect from my room (and internet works there), just that I connect to my wifi router which is connected to the university LAN.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> nicofrand_cozy, is there a "device actions" option in sytsem settings on 15.10? (I'm on 16.04)
[12:40] <nicofrand_cozy> BluesKaj yes and I check everything on the "CD" line
[12:40] <nicofrand_cozy> checked*
[12:41] <nicofrand_cozy> (like on this capture, but with the CD line and everything checked :) : http://i.stack.imgur.com/gR1Ah.png)
[12:42] <nicofrand_cozy> oops, forgot to say, my CD player is a USB one, but not sure that changes anything
[12:43] <BluesKaj> nicofrand_cozy, on my system settings there is no cdrom setting in "removable devices", only in "device actions"
[12:44] <nicofrand_cozy> BluesKaj and what do you have for cdrom (data) in "device actions" ?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> nicofrand_cozy, check the boxes under "automount on login" the devices for both listed
[12:45] <mohan3> hateball: any leads?
[12:47] <nicofrand_cozy> BluesKaj it is
[12:47] <BluesKaj> nicofrand_cozy, it wasn't in the screenshot you posted
[12:48] <hateball> mohan3: well, if you connect to your rooms router, then run "nmcli dev list|grep DNS" it returns which DNS server you get assigned
[12:48] <nicofrand_cozy> (the capture is not mine, I just used to be more clear about the "removable devices" in system settings. In mine there is a "CD" line and I checked everything in this line)
[12:48] <BluesKaj> boxes to the right of the devices should be checked
[12:48] <hateball> mohan3: which it does now as well when you are outside the room. They may or not be the same, I have no idea how the networks are set up
[12:49] <hateball> mohan3: so what I mean is if you run "nmcli dev list|grep DNS" after manually configuring DNS in network-manager gui, that command should return that IP
[12:50] <hateball> mohan3: and if you remove the manual DNS, connect to your room router, run it again, compare which DNS you get
[12:50] <mohan3> hateball: I'm getting an error on that command. "'dev' command 'list' is not valid"
[12:51] <hateball> mohan3: did you copy-paste or type manually, check for errors
[12:51] <hateball> It's valid in 14.04, perhaps it has changed in 15.10...
[12:51] <nicofrand_cozy> BluesKaj sorry, that was not my screenshot, but I assure you everything is checked on my window.
[12:51] <BluesKaj> nicofrand_cozy, perhaps since the cdrom is an outboard you should add an entry for it in /etc/fstab, runs sudo blkid and find the UUID for the cdrom/usb device and add it
[12:52] <mohan3> I typed manually - because I'm on irc from a different pc. Checked, no typos
[12:53] <BluesKaj> nicofrand_cozy, remove the  quotes from the string after adding the entry
[12:53] <mohan3> hateball: does dev stand for device/
[12:53] <nicofrand_cozy> BluesKaj ok. "/dev/sr0" would not be enough instead of the UUID (I do not know fstab really well) ? And using fstab, that will force me to be root to mount/unmount it, no ?
[12:53] <mohan3> hateball: *device?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> no it will mount at boot , that's what fstab does
[12:54] <BluesKaj> , nicofrand_cozy^
[12:55] <nicofrand_cozy> BluesKaj ok. But that would not work if I plug the removable CD/DVD player after the boot, right ?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> nicofrand_cozy, dunno, unless you relogin
[12:56] <nicofrand_cozy> :/, not handy
[12:58] <BluesKaj> well , typing a command isn't all that difficult , is it ./..less problematic than no mounbt at all
[13:00] <hateball> mohan3: Type exactly as I typed, nothing else
[13:00] <mohan3> yup
[13:00] <mohan3> hateball: I did. I get the same error
[13:00] <hateball> I will boot this 16.04 next to me and have a look
[13:01] <nicofrand_cozy> BluesKaj no, typing the command is fine, relogin each time I plug the player is less
[13:01] <mohan3> hateball: got it. "nmcli dev show|grep DNS"
[13:01] <nicofrand_cozy> oh, maybe you meant that I have mount it myself everytime
[13:03] <BluesKaj> nicofrand_cozy, well , that's the price for plugging and unplugging your device, just leave it plugged in unless you use it elsewhere then you'll just have to use the command ...it's not really such an inconvenience, actaully it's rather trivial
[13:03] <nicofrand_cozy> hum, that would still be inefficient. But I'll give it a try
[13:04]  * BluesKaj sgrugs
[13:04] <BluesKaj> shrugs even
[13:04] <mohan3> hateball: this is weird. I'm getting 192.168.0.1 as the result without the manual DNS configuration (not in my room - in my office now)
[13:05] <mohan3> hateball: with the manual DNS config, I'm getting those that I put in
[13:05] <nicofrand_cozy> BluesKaj sorry for the bother and thanks
[13:05] <BluesKaj> nicofrand_cozy ,yw
[13:06] <hateball> mohan3: Yes, because it's a router in your room. So you're using that as DNS. Are you able to admin your router? Log in to it and see what DNS it has
[13:10] <mohan3> hateball: unfortunately, don't have admin to the router. But I did plug in directly to the ethernet. Without the manual config, the same DNS addresses are showing up.
[13:11] <mohan3> hateball: same, meaning, not 192.168.0.1, but the university DNS addresses
[13:17] <hateball> mohan3: well I am running out of ideas.
[13:18] <mohan3> hateball: drat :(
[13:18] <mohan3> hateball: where could the problem possibly lie?
[13:19] <hateball> mohan3: you said you got dhcp IP from outside the room yeah? but no DNS?
[13:20] <mohan3> hateball: I'm not sure what you mean by no DNS. The nmcli command gives the two campus DNS addresses (which I would put in if I were to configure manually)
[13:21] <mohan3> I haven't gone back to my room (where I do get internet) to check what DNS addresses I get there... Or, maybe, I should check what DNS addresses my router there is configured to.
[13:23] <mohan3> hateball: also, pinging 8.8.8.8 works, but not google.com. However, neither load on the browser.
[13:23] <mohan3> hateball: internal ip addresses are both pinging, and loading on the browser
[13:23] <hateball> mohan3: I mean you dont get the DNS adresses assigned automatically when you connect to the wifi
[13:24] <hateball> mohan3: but do you get a regular ip? ifconfig
[13:24] <hateball> mohan3: and you cant browse to 8.8.8.8, it's not a webserver
[13:24] <mohan3> hateball: I get a regular IP
[13:25] <mohan3> hateball: mm, that was stupid :/ but, I tried other ips too (for eg., the public ip of my university website) and it does not load
[13:25] <hateball> mohan3: well it could be set to only serve a page if you use DNS name to reach it
[13:26] <mohan3> hateball: with the office wifi, nmcli returns 192.169.0.1
[13:26] <mohan3> hateball: hmm. Would you know of an address that I can access using an ip address?
[13:26] <hateball> mohan3: same if you browse to 216.58.209.110, which is google, it will redirect to a dns-based instead of just use the ip
[13:27] <mohan3> hateball: yes, that does happen with 216.58.209.110
[13:27] <hateball> pretty much any modern website will redirect you to a proper url instead of let you browse using the IP, for loadbalance reasons etc
[13:28] <puff> I'm having problems with amarok on xubuntu 14.04LTS.
[13:29] <puff> The other day the menus disappeared from Amarok.  I.e. the text menus on the menu bar at the top of the window.  After much fussing, killing and restarting Amarok, then somebody on freenode said "Try ctrl-M" and the menus came back.  I assumed I had just accidentally hit ctrl-M and hidden them.
[13:29] <puff> However, the menus are gone again.  When I type ctrl-M, Amarok warns me "You have chosen to hide the menu bar...etc".  If I type ctrl-M again, nothing visible/audible happens.  Type ctrl-M a third time and I get the warning popup again.  I assume Amarok thinks it's toggling the menus on and off, but they're not appearing.
[13:29] <puff> Quitting and restarting Amarok has not had any effect.
[13:29] <mohan3> hateball: okay... so any hints on how to proceed?
[13:29] <hateball> mohan3: No, not really. I would try getting help locally, it's not easy to troubleshoot this over the internet
[13:30] <hateball> mohan3: Especially when one doesnt know the specifics of the network setups etc
[13:30] <mohan3> mohan3: hmm...
[13:30] <hateball> mohan3: add to that, things seem fine. but dont work
[13:30] <mohan3> mohan3: would you be able to think of what I could check?
[13:35] <mohan3> hateball: I guess this was only to be expected, but, I found an IP I could use - stackexchange, at 198.252.206.140. It's at least loading a stackexchange error page. So you're write about the DNS.
[13:35] <mohan3> hateball: but then, when the dns is manually configured, shouldn't it work?
[13:36] <hateball> mohan3: Indeed it should
[13:37] <mohan3> hateball: I think I'm justified right now in saying bloody hell.
[13:38] <mohan3> hateball: so, um, given the situation, what would you think - problem with my installation, or problem with the network?
[13:39] <hateball> mohan3: I would say network. but you also mentioned "office wifi" which gave you automatic DNS. is this different from "campus wifi" ?
[13:40] <mohan3> hateball: no, I just used to differentiate between my room wifi, where internet works, and office wifi, where internet doesn't work. Both are on the same network, and both are routers plugged in to campus network ethernet ports.
[13:41] <BluesKaj> mohan3, is the ISP DNS IP  entered in your router ?if so perahap entering it as a nameserver in  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head might help
[13:41] <hateball> That still doesnt help resolving local hosts
[13:41] <mohan3> BluesKaj: wouldn't that be the same as entering it manually via network-manager?
[13:41] <hateball> It is
[13:42] <mohan3> thats what I thought...
[13:42] <BluesKaj> yeah itr would keep it i resolv.conf
[13:42] <BluesKaj> in
[13:42] <mohan3> I could try that of course
[13:42] <hateball> mohan3: if you do "nmcli dev show|grep gw" outside your room, does that show 192.169.0.1 as well?
[13:43] <BluesKaj> so when you move about the campus you still have the DNS on your machine
[13:44] <mohan3> Blueskaj, I haven't tried outside campus. But I did not manually configure the DNS until today, when I was trying to troubleshoot
[13:44] <hateball> Well it appears that you *are* getting DNS via DHCP both in your room and outside it
[13:45] <mohan3> hateball: grep gw returns no result
[13:45] <hateball> If I am reading everything above correctly at any rate
[13:45] <BluesKaj> mohan3, I meant on campus , just not thru your router
[13:45] <hateball> mohan3: hmmm, it might have a different syntax post 14.04
[13:45] <hateball> lemme see...
[13:46] <mohan3> BluesKaj: I get your point. But, when I plug in the ethernet, nmcli gives me the dns addresses even without manually configuring them. And manual configuration still doesnt work - a ping to 8.8.8.8 times out
[13:47] <hateball> mohan3: it's called IP4.GATEWAY now apparently
[13:47] <hateball> mohan3: so, nmcli dev show|grep -i gateway
[13:48] <mohan3> ip4.gateway 192.168.0.1
[13:48] <BluesKaj> mohan3, so your ISP is the University provider?
[13:49] <hateball> mohan3: is that in your room, or when outside?
[13:49] <mohan3> BluesKaj: yes
[13:49] <mohan3> hateball: outside
[13:50] <mohan3> hateball: haven't checked any of these in the room where I get internet
[13:50] <hateball> mohan3: so it sets 192.168.0.1 as gateway, and 192.169.0.1 as DNS?
[13:50] <mohan3> hateball: seems like, yes
[13:50] <mohan3> hateball: there are other machines connected to the same router, and they are all working fine
[13:50] <hateball> That seems... well it's possible such a config exists, just seems weird
[13:51] <hateball> mohan3: Could you check the settings on those machines, to compare?
[13:51] <mohan3> yup
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ipconfig on windows
[13:51] <mohan3> gateway is the same - 192.168.0.1
[13:51] <konrados> Hello. I'm looking for an app I don't know how to call, so I can't even google that. Well, I often want keep various notes, so I have a text file where I do this. But it's getting very big. Creating/saving/opening many different files is boring. Is there something where I can add new notes, and it keeps all my notes in a list or tree so I can click it to open it, and I don't have to explicitly save it?
[13:51] <hateball> mohan3: and DNS?
[13:51] <mohan3> ipv4 address is 192.168.0.11
[13:52] <mohan3> hateball: windows. ipconfig. Doesnt show DNS. What should I look for?
[13:52] <hateball> mohan3: ipconfig /all
[13:52] <hateball> mohan3: that'll show DNS as well
[13:53] <mohan3> yeah, DNS is the same 192.168.0.1
[13:54] <mohan3> DNS, gateway, DHCP server all the same
[13:54] <hateball> mohan3: yeah... and you get assigned 192.169.0.1 for some reason. which wont work. so if you set DNS manually to 192.168.0.1, does that work?
[13:55] <mohan3> hateball: sorry... what?
[13:56] <hateball> mohan3: <mohan3> hateball: with the office wifi, nmcli returns 192.169.0.1
[13:57] <mohan3> hateball: yes
[13:57] <hateball> mohan3: which means when you connect to the wifi, it automatically sets DNS server to 192.169.0.1, instead of the working 192.168.0.1
[13:58] <mohan3> hateball: wait. sorry! Typo. It's all 192.168.0.1
[13:58] <hateball> ...
[13:58] <hateball> :|
[13:58] <mohan3> hateball: not 192.169.0.1 Really sorry. Didn't notice that
[13:58] <hateball> welllllll then I really dont know
[13:58] <hateball> surely campus must have some proper support
[13:59] <mohan3> *starts pulling out hair*
[14:00] <mohan3> yeah, campus support spent the better part of an hour on it, all the while muttering "We really don't know much about linux"
[14:00] <mohan3> :(
[14:01] <BluesKaj> `gateways, DNS etc are the same no matter the platform
[14:02] <mohan3> Would you have any clue of what's happening here BluesKaj?
[14:03] <mohan3> anything else I could look for? anything I can ask my admin people?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> mohan3, not really, are there any other linux users on campus you might consult about this problem ? That's about all I can suggest
[14:05] <BluesKaj> to compare notes
[14:07] <mohan3> BluesKaj: hmm, perhaps... though I doubt if they will be experieced enough to troubleshoot this...
[14:07] <BluesKaj> but I would try adding the nameserver to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, it retains the nameserver on your machine without needing the ISP to resolve it for you
[14:08] <mohan3> I should ask around, maybe perchance there would be a developer...
[14:08] <mohan3> okay, I'll do that
[14:08] <mohan3> I should take it out though when I leave campus right?
[14:09] <hateball> Yes, unless everywhere you connect to uses 192.168.0.1 as DNS
[14:09] <BluesKaj> moh if you use a different ISP , yes
[14:09] <BluesKaj> mohan3,^
[14:09] <hateball> Which is why I suggested you could set up different connection profiles
[14:09] <hateball> One for Campus-what-aint-working-like-it-should and one for The-rest-of-the-world
[14:09] <hateball> so you can easily switch between them
[14:10] <mohan3> okay
[14:10] <hateball> rather than editing config files also
[14:10] <hateball> which is just... headache
[14:10] <hateball> But any workflow is good as long as you're comfortable with it
[14:10] <mohan3> hmm... I doubt if editing the config will work, when manually putting in the dns through network-manager doesnt...
[14:11] <mohan3> But, right now, I dont't think I have anything to lose :/
[14:11] <BluesKaj> network manager overwrites /etc/resolve.conf, but not /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[14:12] <BluesKaj>  /etc/resolv.conf eevn
[14:13] <mohan3> hmm, opening resolv.conf.d/head gives me the message that I ought not edit it by hand, and that it will be overwritten... help?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> mohan3, yeah , just ignore that :-)
[14:14] <mohan3> okay :) if it works, then I'll buy you a beer if you ever come to this part of the world
[14:15] <mohan3> I should put in "nameserver the.dns.address.here" right?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> it's a small chance that it'll work  , yes nameserver 192.168.0.1
[14:16] <mohan3> what? 192.168.0.1?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> just an example
[14:16] <mohan3> ah okay
[14:17] <mohan3> I used the network dns address
[14:17] <mohan3> it's a no go
[14:17] <BluesKaj> you need to restart the nm
[14:18] <BluesKaj> sudo systemctl restart network-manager, if you're on 15.10
[14:18] <mohan3> I did
[14:20] <mohan3> well, its still a no go
[14:21] <BluesKaj> ok try this: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart, for the offchance it still works
[14:21] <BluesKaj> no more init , but it stll links the command
[14:22] <mohan3> sorry, still no...
[14:22] <BluesKaj> I hate systemd , none of the old networking commands work  anymore
[14:23] <mohan3> mm
[14:24] <mohan3> hmm, there
[14:24] <mohan3> *hmm there's something I didn't try. I didn't check the gateway on the ethernet. Will check now.
[14:26] <mohan3> hmm, over the ethernet, it shows a local network address as gateway - 10.5.6.1
[14:27] <BluesKaj> what does ip add  show ?
[14:30] <mohan3> 10.5.7.71
[14:30] <mohan3> and bcast as 10.5.7.255
[14:35] <mohan3> any hints?
[16:56] <BlueProtoman> Help!  I can't log in to my Ubuntu 15.10 installation graphically!  When I try, I'm just booted to a TTY login screen (I'm writing this in irssi).  I have a nVidia GeForce 520M/Intel HD 5000 combo via Optimus.  It was working just fine until last night, and I have no idea why it decided to break.  What do I do?
[17:12] <BluesKaj> BlueProtoman, run an update and upgrade in the tty then make sure nvidia-prime is still installed
[17:13] <BlueProtoman> BluesKaj: Which version of the driver should I try?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> if there's a kernel module upgrade to the driver then it will happen during regular upgrades , don't think changing the recommended driver will halp, BlueProtoman
[17:17] <BluesKaj> err help rather
[19:42] <Lord_> Hey guys
[19:43] <Lord_> I had a quick question to ask: How do I make the APE file playable on Kubuntu? Google searches seem to show how to convert APE into FLAC/MP3.
[19:43] <Lord_> Besides, why is APE hated so much by people who use Kubuntu?
[19:44] <soee> is it apple format ?
[19:46] <BluesKaj> no it's a compression format , think soundkonverter can handle ape conversions to whatever you want
[19:47] <Pici> wikipedia suggests that it might have something to do with its licensing.
[19:47] <Swipe-> Lord_: this iste suggests that mplayer should be able to play .ape files
[19:48] <Swipe-> site*
[19:48] <Swipe-> http://www.openthefile.net/extension/ape
[19:51] <BluesKaj> yeah mplayer is a dependency
[20:18] <hMelissa> I can't boot into Kubuntu 15.10.  :(  When I try, I just get a blank screen and have to log in via the terminal thing.  i've tried several different nvidia drivers (i have optimus), but none of them work.  someone told me it could be my window manager?
[20:33] <puff> My menus disappeared from amarok, any idea how to get them back?  Tried using the menubar applet to quit amarok and restart it...
[20:40] <bprompt> puff:    ctrl-m maybe?   to get the menubar on/off
[20:47] <puff> bprompt: I tried ctrl-m, it didn't work.
[22:30] <aguitel> how install minimal kubuntu desktop ?
[22:31] <VeryBewitching> aguitel: What do you mean by Minimal?
[22:32] <aguitel> core system
[22:32] <VeryBewitching> aguitel: Just install off of the disk and pare it backwards.
[22:33] <VeryBewitching> Remove the parts you don't need after the fact.  I'm not sure the installer is interactive, but it's possible that there's a custom ISO somewhere.
[22:34] <VeryBewitching> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD and then install kubuntu-desktop
[22:34] <aguitel> thanks
[22:37] <krytarik> Except for the 'kubuntu-desktop' part, of course.
[22:51] <tux|dude> Someone should update the kubuntu website so the screenshot of kde telepathy doesn't have a picture of facebook chat in it anymore