[01:48] <Guest0> hi all.  im having trouble with installing server to a multipath target. i'm using the "install disk-device/././." option, but not getting a multipath device in the partitioning step.. going to another tty and running multipath -l shows me "mpatha is being ignored". there's no xenial bugs regarding multipath on launchpad.  can anyone suggest the next step in diagnosing why mpatha is being ignored?
[02:18] <Fudge> does anyone know if xenial universe exists?
[02:20] <krytarik> Fudge: Of course.
[02:21] <Fudge> ok, just was getting a sum mismatch on use.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:30] <krytarik> Fudge: Try again later, or try a different mirror.
[02:32] <Pwnna> is there any way to get openjdk7 back in 16.04?
[02:34] <EOBeav> I'm sure there will be a ppa to get it
[02:39] <Pwnna> i guess i can make that ppa >_>
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[05:44] <lotuspsychje> kernel freeze today
[05:59] <PETsounds> Hai, any reason why Xenial are not using Ffmpeg 3 ?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> !info ffmpeg xenial
[06:01] <ubottu> ffmpeg (source: ffmpeg): Tools for transcoding, streaming and playing of multimedia files. In component universe, is optional. Version 7:2.8.6-1ubuntu2 (xenial), package size 1271 kB, installed size 1891 kB
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> !latest | PETsounds
[06:01] <ubottu> PETsounds: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.
[06:05] <dax> because ffmpeg 3 came out on February 15th, which is pretty late in the release cycle to be pulling in new major versions of widely-used packages, i expect
[06:22] <ladyTalus> Regards.
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: few weeks indeed
[06:23] <ladyTalus> All the best coders are hard at work right around the clock right now.
[06:23] <ladyTalus> It should be good.
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: its already good
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> running daily here pretty stable
[06:24] <ladyTalus> I've chosen to stick with 15.10 until doing a full upgrade.
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> http://lotuspsychje.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-598369242
[06:24] <ladyTalus> That does look impressive.
[06:25] <ladyTalus> I always encourage the coders to get the first impression right. Give the user a good "wow" moment when they enter the fold.
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> http://lotuspsychje.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-601374206
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> and here my netbook
[06:28] <ladyTalus> that's unity?
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> yep
[06:29] <ladyTalus> the netbook has no problem with it?
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: with a tweaked launcher to bottom
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: 4gig ram and samsung 850 pro ssd inside, unity is like a rocket :p
[06:30] <ladyTalus> which cpu?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> 6sec boot, 3 sec halt
[06:31] <ladyTalus> which CPU?
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: amd ft1
[06:32] <ladyTalus> single thread passmark = ?
[06:33] <ladyTalus> my mini pc handles like a dream but my single thread passmark is over 1000.
[06:33] <ladyTalus> however the cpu is not so overpowered that i feel as though i am never pushing it.
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15664405/
[06:35] <ladyTalus> what do you call the cpu when you buy it?
[06:35] <ladyTalus> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+E-300+APU
[06:35] <ladyTalus> yours is only 1GHz.
[06:35] <ladyTalus> that there is 1.3.
[06:36] <ladyTalus> But look how low the single thread is even at 300MHz more.
[06:36] <ladyTalus> 342 single thread??
[06:36] <ladyTalus> when you check for software updates how long does it take to complete?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: that depends how big the updates are
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: on ssd everything goes fsater
[06:37] <ladyTalus> but doesn't anything meaningful on that PC lag badly?
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> faster
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> nop
[06:37] <ladyTalus> what if you use something like veracrypt? It must take 5 minutes just to mount a container.
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: its a netbook... i dont use heavy works on it
[06:38] <ladyTalus> i've never seen someone satisfied with a CPU with a single thread score of less than 350.
[06:38] <ladyTalus> for reference, the broadwell celeron has a single thread of 800 or so.
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> you focus too much on cpu
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> i rather have an overal smooth system
[06:39] <ladyTalus> i browse with a dual core 1.9GHz and when i look at system monitor i see both cores getting a good workout
[06:39] <ladyTalus> just browsing around the web.
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: how fast does your pc unpack a 4gig rar?
[06:42] <ladyTalus> Never yet tried. I have a speedy mSATA and 8GB of RAM.
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: wich hd brand?
[06:43] <ladyTalus> But I don't feel like my system is overpowered except for having at least 2GB more RAM than I ever need.
[06:43] <ladyTalus> Kingston.
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> ssd?
[06:43] <ladyTalus> Yes. It's an mSATA. I'll show you.
[06:43] <ladyTalus> http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Notebooks-Ultrabooks-SMS200S3-60G/dp/B00COFMPAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460011420&sr=8-1&keywords=kingston+msata+60gb
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> nice
[06:45] <ladyTalus> It's an impressive piece of technology and only $40 now.
[06:45] <ladyTalus> For an extra 60GB you can get the 120GB for only $52.
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> i payed 94 for my samsung pro 850 128gig
[06:46] <ladyTalus> how long ago?
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> yesterday
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> 94 euro that is
[06:47] <ladyTalus> Really??
[06:47] <ladyTalus> You bought it yesterday?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> yep
[06:47] <ladyTalus> Your netbook was bought yesterday?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> plugged my evo in my desktop
[06:47] <ladyTalus> or upgraded yesterday?
[06:47] <ladyTalus> Oh.
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> upgraded
[06:47] <ladyTalus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDt42Vs-teI&list=PLhj6R3nBEgyIdyIVKV2XDfDUdyhcWsWpw&index=11&nohtml5=False
[06:48] <ladyTalus> Listen here and tell me how that sounds on your headphones or speakers.
[06:48] <ladyTalus> I just upgraded my sound card by plugging in a USB device as shown here:
[06:48] <ladyTalus> http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-UCA202-Audio-Interface/dp/B000KW2YEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460011712&sr=8-1&keywords=behringer+usb+sound
[06:48] <ladyTalus> Now my sound settings as configured for Digital Stereo Out.
[06:49] <ladyTalus> The sound quality is an outstanding and a noticeable improvement from using the sound card built in my PC.
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> ladyTalus: perhaps we should move this to #ubuntu-discuss, keep the room free for xenial issues :p
[07:24] <Light_> How is the beta looking is it looking like the LTS release will be good or bad?
[08:04] <Light_> Can you download a beta or alpha of 16.04?
[08:26] <server_> Hello. Kernel update linux-image-4.4.0-16-generic broke my DELL Inspiron 7599. VLC stopped working and VPN stopped working, also on reboot only got black screen.  I did apt-get purge of that kernel but VLC and vpn are still not working.  How can I fix?  I tried to reinstall linux-image-4.4.0-14-generic in case that would fix things but it could not be reinstalled.
[08:29] <server_> DELL Inspiron has skylake and nvidia geforce gtx.
[08:39] <dioioib> I just had a crash trying to install 16.04 beta 2. Wouldn't figure a crash before I even started using 16.04 beta.
[09:15] <tracker9> hello. Could u tell me which server of x11 is present in 16.04?
[09:19] <sgbirch> Where is the best place to get a docker container with ubuntu 16.04 installed? ubuntu:16.04 has no networking installed
[09:24] <server_> X.Org X Server 1.17.3
[09:24] <server_> Release Date: 2015-10-26
[09:24] <server_> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[09:25] <server_> sgbirch, what do you mean no networking installed?
[09:26] <sgbirch> root@fbc5ea8d571f:/usr/bin# ifconfig
[09:26] <sgbirch> bash: ifconfig: command not found
[09:26] <TJ-> sgbirch: "ip addr show"
[09:27] <sgbirch> root@02b58caaaff9:/# ip addr show
[09:27] <sgbirch> bash: ip: command not found
[09:27] <sgbirch> I created the container like this: docker run -ti ubuntu:16.04 /bin/bash
[09:29] <tracker9> server_, that's kinda old
[09:29] <TJ-> sgbirch: is the PATH set as you'd expect; are the packages installed (net-tools, iproute2) ?
[09:31] <sgbirch> The path looks good, net-tools and iproute2 are both installed
[09:31] <sgbirch> oh .. hang on, I was on trusty and not in a container .. one set
[09:32] <sgbirch> correction! the PATH is correct, net-tools and iproute2 are not installed
[09:43] <bittin-> Ubuntu and Debian isos updated at work :)
[09:46] <bittin-> now waiting for the 16.04 isos :)
[09:49] <server_> tracker9, really?  This is from an beta 2 iso I installed a week ago.
[09:50] <server_> I fixed the vlc... the issue was needing to switch to nvidia chips using prime-select nvidia.
[09:54] <tracker9> server_, how could i check version bundled in daily ISO?
[09:55] <server_> From a terminal, I typed:  startx --version
[09:55] <server_> it gave the versions at the start.  I don't know how to check the daily ISO builds for what is included.
[09:55] <server_> (never new there were daily isos)
[09:59] <TJ-> sgbirch: it looks like the -core builds stopped at end of March, and also, that the 16.04 builds do not contain a lot of packages that the 14.04, etc., images do contain (been looking at the manifests on partner-images.canonical.com)
[10:11] <tracker6> server_, next time warn that startx even with -version will launch another xsession pls
[10:11] <tracker6> its 1.18.1 in daily iso
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[10:20] <ubottu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.17.18 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> new kernel out
[10:22] <server_> tracker6, sorry about that.  Didn't think it was important since it doesn't kill the active X server. :(  I will warn next time.
[10:22] <server_> !info linux-image-generic
[10:22] <ubottu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.17.18 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB
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[10:38] <sgbirch> TJ-: Is there anything that can be done about it?
[10:38] <TJ-> sgbirch: I've just reported bug 1567349
[10:38] <ubottu> bug 1567349 in cloud-images "partner-images (for Docker, etc) seem to be missing key network packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567349
[10:39] <sgbirch> thank you .. is there anything I can do to help?
[10:40] <TJ-> sgbirch: I suspect it is intended from what I found
[10:41] <sgbirch> TJ-: why would they want to do that?
[10:44] <TJ-> sgbirch: I don't know, but you'll see the images on partner-images.canonical.com (where the Docker images are) are different to those (that include the network packages) on cloud-images.ubuntu.com, so I'd recommend you manually fetch the 16.04 image from there
[10:49] <sgbirch> TJ-: I wonder if the objective is to encourage the use of LXD instead of docker
[10:50] <server_> GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[10:50] <sgbirch> TJ-: I know they are different animals, but many people (myself included) will be making that decision. I can use either for my current project.
[10:50] <server_> I get the above message, after I installed linux-image-4.4.0-16-generic.
[10:51] <TJ-> sgbirch: I wondered about the images having 'core' in their titles. Possibly its the absolute minimum image without an assumption of networking being required.
[10:54] <sgbirch> TJ-: hmmm .. that would make more sense than my conspiracy theory :-)
[10:57] <TJ-> sgbirch: but it does seem a bit counter when they're talked about as 'cloud' images
[10:58] <TJ-> sgbirch: rather like sending the eunuchs into the harem and expecting the pitter-patter of tiny feet in 9 months time :)
[10:58] <sgbirch> TJ-: lmao - perfect analogy
[10:59] <sgbirch> TJ-: yeah, a cloud image with no networking is pretty strange
[11:02] <TJ-> Are the images pre-configured to do IPv6 RA and SLAAC? I recall some talk of LX{C,D} images going IPv6 only; this may be related
[11:02] <TJ-> sgbirch: if you're expecting IPv4 that may well explain it
[11:03] <sgbirch> TJ-: how can I check?
[11:05] <sgbirch> TJ-: ahh .. apt-get update works .. I had just *assumed* it had no networking
[11:05] <sgbirch> TJ-: I think you nailed it, ipv6 only installed in the container
[11:06] <sgbirch> TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1525420
[11:06] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1525420 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "[xenial] daily server image - no network after install" [Undecided,Expired]
[11:08] <TJ-> sgbirch: I don't think that bug report applies at all; that's for the ISO server install images, for bare hardware
[11:08] <sgbirch> TJ-: Oh yes, sorry
[11:09] <TJ-> I recall the discussion about the LXD/IPv6 only stuff in one of the ubuntu developer channels some time ago, I'll see if I can find it in my logs
[11:12] <TJ-> here we go. this was in the context of LXD discussions about DHCP, dnsmasq, and lxc vs lxd
[11:12] <TJ-> 2016-03-21 20:52:03     infinity        stgraber: How do guests get IPv4 connectivity?
[11:12] <TJ-> 2016-03-21 20:52:20     stgraber        infinity: the guest won't have any connectivity by default except http through a minimal proxy
[11:13] <TJ-> sgbirch: I'm guessing those -core images implement that... although that doesn't explain why the -core images going back to 15.04 also don't have those network packages, unless this was a build-service change that affects all release images built since
[11:13] <sgbirch> TJ-: yes
[11:14] <sgbirch> TJ-: it still seems like a pretty bad thing to do :-( What is the answer to the question about getting IPv4 connectivity?
[11:15] <sgbirch> TJ-: I am sure I am not the last person who will stare blankly in dispair at what appears to be a completely broken container!
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:15] <TJ-> sgbirch: I'm not clear on that; these images aren't strictly Ubuntu - these are hosted on Canonical's site so it's different
[11:16] <TJ-> sgbirch: but you can see the Vivid/15.04 manifest also shows it missing those packages. Today's Trusty and Utopic builds do have the packages. https://partner-images.canonical.com/core/vivid/current/ubuntu-vivid-core-cloudimg-amd64.manifest
[11:17] <TJ-> sgbirch: and those 15.04 package build dates are January, so it's not something recent
[11:18] <sgbirch> TJ-: given that it has been this way for a while it is strange that google didn’t find any discussion on it. I must not have found the right search terms
[11:20] <TJ-> sgbirch: you're not alone; my search-fu is usually HOT but I've not found anything. On a side-note I did find this, which might explain *how* the images are created http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/datasources.html#no-cloud
[11:24] <sjoshi> Hello, I am not able to install unity8 on ubuntu16.04 beta2
[11:24] <sjoshi> its day Unable to locate package
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> !unity8 | sjoshi
[11:24] <ubottu> sjoshi: Unity8 is the next Unity Desktop running on Mir. It is already used on the smartphones running ubuntu-touch (!touch) and can be tested on the Desktop with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[11:24] <sjoshi> say*
[11:25] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: thanks! But as soon as I run this command "sudo apt install unity8-desktop-session-mir"
[11:25] <sjoshi> its say Unable to locate package
[11:25] <sjoshi> I am installing it into a pendrive to see the compatability of my hardware
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: apt-cache shows me unity8-desktop-session-mir - Unity8 desktop session for Mir
[11:26] <lotuspsychje>  correctly
[11:27] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: Let me try again
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: you mean your on the live mode right now?
[11:28] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: No I am not
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: explain the pendrive part?
[11:29] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: I have downloaded Ubuntu16.04 and created a live USB of it
[11:30] <sjoshi> Now I am trying to install unity8 desktop on it
[11:31] <sjoshi> Right now, I am on Xubuntu15.10
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> !info unity8-desktop-session-mir wily
[11:33] <ubottu> unity8-desktop-session-mir (source: unity8-desktop-session): Unity8 desktop session for Mir. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.12+15.10.20150609-0ubuntu1 (wily), package size 4 kB, installed size 54 kB
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: uname -a plz?
[11:34] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: I dont wanna experiment with my office laptop installation :)
[11:34] <sjoshi> Linux shupkarn 4.2.0-35-generic #40-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 15 22:15:45 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: but im not sure you can install unity8 on live, as you need logout/login to enter unity8
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: physical install is recommended
[11:35] <sjoshi> ahh.. ok
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: try unity8 on your 15.10? dont like= purge?
[11:36] <sjoshi> I can give it a shot on my home laptop.. it has Xubuntu15.10 but right its having h/w issue
[11:36] <sjoshi> now its*
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> oh wait, its xubuntu not sure how unity8 will react on that
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> didnt test myself yet
[11:37] <sjoshi> yeah, thats also a point to be noted :P
[11:37] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: also I have made persistence live usb, still it will not work?
[11:38] <sjoshi> there is a logout option in Live USB i guess
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: didnt test either, try it perhaps
[11:38] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: sure :)
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: just keep in mind, usb can bottleneck your Os
[11:39] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: agree! I am js going to check hardware compatability.. with new Ubuntu + Unity(mainly display, sound and network)
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: i tested unity8 on my 16.04 desktop, and running like a charm
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: with basic features, more to come @ final
[11:40] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: sounds good!
[11:41] <sjoshi> yah!
[11:42] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: which brand of laptop you have?
[11:42] <sjoshi> for me: office: Lenovo and home:Dell
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: acer aspire netbook
[11:42] <sjoshi> hmm ok
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: http://lotuspsychje.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-601374206
[11:44] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: how was the graphic performance of Unity8? light on CPU or ..?
[11:44] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: nice wallpaper..! :)
[11:45] <sjoshi> looks cool
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> tnx :p
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: same feeling as unity7 for me
[11:45] <sjoshi> ok
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[12:09] <sgbirch> TJ-: I made some progress .. thank you for your help. It seems that apt-get install net-tools solves the problem
[12:12] <BluesKaj> sgbirch, odd that wasn't installed by default...
[12:19] <TJ-> sgbirch: so, that infers there was network connectivity already!
[12:20] <sgbirch> TJ-: yes .. it was just no tools installed, that fooled me
[12:20] <TJ-> sgbirch: so presumably the images are configured to auto-configure, so to speak. For IPv4 that'd mean DHCP enabled, via either ifupdown or NetworkManager, or if IPv6 then RA and SLAAC should be sufficient
[12:20] <TJ-> sgbirch: did you check /etc/network/interfaces to see if it was pre-configured?
[12:40] <sgbirch> TJ-: I just checked.  /etc/network is not present but there is a file called /etc/networks which contains one line:
[12:40] <sgbirch> # symbolic names for networks, see networks(5) for more information
[12:40] <sgbirch> link-local 169.254.0.0
[12:40] <sgbirch> I lied .. two lines
[13:21] <jonathan_zz> I currently have "timidity" slowing down my system considerable. I have no idea what started it: "timidity 27699 83.8  0.1 127488  4504 ?        RL   apr04 3797:23 /usr/bin/timidity -Os -iAD"  ---> taking about 100% (of one core, supposedly). The other core is 40% idle.  How do I discover what process started it?
[13:31] <jonathan_zz> apparently it just gets started at boot
[13:44] <asper> hi there. it seems that the php5-common package is no longer in the xenial sources. was is renamed or is it simply gone?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> asper: could it be php7 now on xenial?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> !info php7-common
[13:45] <ubottu> Package php7-common does not exist in xenial
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> !info php7
[13:45] <ubottu> Package php7 does not exist in xenial
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> !find php7
[13:45] <ubottu> Found: libapache2-mod-php7.0, php7.0, php7.0-cgi, php7.0-cli, php7.0-common, php7.0-curl, php7.0-dev, php7.0-gd, php7.0-gmp, php7.0-json (and 28 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=php7&searchon=names&suite=xenial&section=all
[13:46] <pcn> That probably makes the world a better place
[13:46] <asper> ahh thanks!
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> php7.0-common - documentation, examples and common module for PHP
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> asper: cant find a php5 on xenial neither on apt-cache
[13:47] <teward> lotuspsychje: asper: php5 is gone in Xenial, replaced with php7.0
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> teward: ok thank you
[13:48] <teward> lotuspsychje: asper: you'll need to use ppa:ondrej/php and install php5.6 or w/e it is from there
[13:48] <teward> and then remove php7.0 from the repositories on Xenial
[13:48] <teward> (that's Ondrej's coinstallable PHP versions PPA)
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> teward: but not recommended i suppose?
[13:49] <teward> !ppa
[13:49] <ubottu> A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge
[13:49] <teward> obligatory notice is obligatory
[13:49] <asper> thanks. we will upgrade to 7.0
[13:49] <teward> lotuspsychje: There are things which don't support php7.0 - only way to get php5.6 will be to use the PPA< but you lose all other support
[13:49] <teward> (for the package)
[13:50] <teward> lotuspsychje: so no, not supported, not really recommended, I think 5.6 is EOLing anyways, but don't quote me on that
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> teward: yeah downgrading packages, doesnt sound like wise decision
[13:50] <teward> lotuspsychje: it's not a downgrade
[13:50] <teward> it's a separate package?
[13:51] <teward> they're *coinstallable*
[13:51] <teward> they run separately
[13:51] <teward> still a much better idea to modernize your site code to php7.0 which is reportedly much faster
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> right, but lets say a security hole reaches into 5.6, the user wont get official upsate/support
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> update
[13:51] <teward> lotuspsychje: right, that's why I still don't recommend the PPA, though AFAIK, Ondrej keeps that PPA updated...
[13:52] <teward> but yes, not officially supported
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> ok
[13:52] <teward> lotuspsychje: FYI, the !ppa factoid I just posted?  Still applies.
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> yep
[13:52] <teward> (you can answer your own question you just asked there by reading the factoid)
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> upp: you can already help test beta2 or daily
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> upp: but for daily use its recommended to wait until final
[14:50] <teward> ^
[14:50] <upp> how can i help?
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> upp: finding bugs, testing packages,etc
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> upp: the sky is the limit and helps the community
[14:51] <upp> i have to read first what daily is ( mean)
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> upp: the daily images are in topic
[14:54] <upp> lotuspsychje: the daily build change every day?
[14:54] <teward> upp: the daily build is a respin of the ISO daily
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> upp: if you install daily, you will receive the updates also, and be able to upgrade to final
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> !final | upp
[14:54] <ubottu> upp: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Xenial and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 16.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade » in a terminal.
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> upp: if you accept the fact your system 'could' break till final in this stage
[14:55] <upp> ohh cool
[14:55] <upp> i understand now
[14:56] <upp> now it's only my personal computer now, so not so important
[14:56] <upp> but nice to know such thing exist
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> upp: ok great!
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> upp: i got it installed both on desktop + netbook working like a rocket
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> nothing broken yet
[14:57] <upp> ^^cool
[14:57] <teward> install once, and then `apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade` daily and you'll be fine
[14:57] <teward> or, reinstall the ISO daily for daily testing
[15:00] <upp> tewar: or, reinstall the ISO daily for daily testing -> that's only if i want to test something in daily?
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> teward: ^
[15:04] <upp> if i install daily today, and tomorrow i run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade i get the new daily?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> upp: daily means the most up to date packages inserted
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> upp: so if you install a daily, you will receive latest updates via apt-get also
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> upp: the daily just follows the progress
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> upp: if your system breaks somehow, and you reinstall daily iso, your back in business
[15:08] <upp> thanks for answer, i thought it a daily new image because the one i download now is released today :-)
[15:08] <upp> now i understand very well
[15:08] <upp> thank you so much
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> upp: good luck and welcome to the ubuntu (xenial) experience
[15:09] <upp> i will try to find time to start developing for ubuntu ;-)
[15:09] <upp> it will be a pleasure for me
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | upp thank you
[15:10] <ubottu> upp thank you: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://community.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> upp: the #ubuntu-touch guys can always need a help aswell
[15:11] <upp> i will try my best, but first i have to understand more
[15:16] <teward> lotuspsychje_: I was pinged?
[15:16] <teward> oh
[15:16] <lotuspsychje_> upp: wanted to know more on daily
=== lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje
[17:56] <devslash> is Ubuntu 16.04 locked from any new changes between now and when it will be released later this month ?
[17:58] <dax> The 16.04 release schedule is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule . Most stuff is frozen for release by now, but there's still polishing and bugfixing going on.
[17:58] <devslash> is anyone here ?
[17:58] <dax> So, it's not stable/unchanging, but it is getting there.
[17:58] <devslash> ok thanks
[17:59] <dax> If you're asking because you want to upgrade important stuff, the answer would still be "no that's a terrible idea"
[17:59] <dax> we've had stuff come up *very* late in the cycle that needed fixing before, the next couple of weeks are not just a formality
[18:00] <dax> (personally, the Ubuntu servers I have at work are on 14.04 and won't be going to 16.04 until 16.04.1, assuming we decide to upgrade them)
[18:01] <dax> (for desktop users on 14.04, I'd probably wait until a week after release, or 16.04.1, depending on risk aversion)
[18:20] <ratrace> Hello. Trying out 16.04. Previously (in 15.10 eg.) I could alt-tab between different program windows and alt-` between windows of the same program. This latter behavior is absent in 16.04. Is this a bug?
[18:25] <nacc> ratrace: i think it got fixed this AM
[18:25] <nacc> ratrace: trying to find you a bug #
[18:26] <ratrace> nacc: it's okay if it's a bug. I Was afraid it's a "feature" of the so called "evolving" and "progressing" GNOME... :)
[18:26] <nacc> ratrace: no, i believe it was an xorg issue, actually, fixed now
[18:26] <ratrace> great, thanks for confirming and checking!
[18:27] <nacc> ratrace: yeah, that's based purely on my IRC logs mind you :)
[18:27] <ratrace> :)
[20:18] <strahl> Hi, will Ubuntu 16.04 include a working version of mir? (able to support 3d games)
[20:18] <k1l_> !unity8
[20:18] <ubottu> Unity8 is the next Unity Desktop running on Mir. It is already used on the smartphones running ubuntu-touch (!touch) and can be tested on the Desktop with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[20:19] <k1l_> strahl: neither wayland nor mir are productionready for desktops. they just gained first support by nvidia, for example.
[20:19] <k1l_> nvidia just released a driver with _first_ support for walynad and mir.
[20:19] <strahl> k1l_ if my graphics card is Nvidia, should it work?
[20:20] <k1l_> you need to get that driver from the nvidia website. and i think there is only the lxc version of unity8 and mir available now.
[20:21] <strahl> k1l_ ok. And nouveau?
[20:21] <strahl> k1l_ should it work just like in X windows?
[20:21] <k1l_> no
[20:22] <k1l_> its still in development, as said above.
[20:22] <strahl> k1l_ ok, thank you for the information!
[20:23] <k1l_> you could ask in #ubuntu-mir for the exact state. but i doubt they will say "its just like x works now"
[20:23] <strahl> k1l_ ok, thank you! :)
[20:26] <devslash> how do I move the unity taskbar in 16.04 ?
[20:30] <k1l_> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom
[20:31] <k1l_> devslash: ^
[20:31] <devslash> I thought that it was built into the GUI in 16.04 but you could do that command in older versions of ubuntu
[20:34] <k1l_> no
[20:35] <k1l_> the patch to enable it was just included into the unity version that is shipped with 16.04. you cant do that on older ubuntus without using a pathced version or patch it manually
[20:42] <devslash>  can you change Bottom to any direction like Top or Right ?
[20:43] <k1l> try it
[20:43] <k1l> i only know of Bottom and Left
[20:44] <devslash> so it doesnt go into effect until you restart X....
[20:45] <devslash> nope
[20:45] <devslash> it only allows for Top and Left
[20:47] <k1l> not Top, Bottom
[20:47] <devslash> err sorry
[20:47] <devslash> bottom and left
[20:47] <devslash> not top or right
[20:48] <devslash> so what do you need to do to install this patch in 15.10
[20:48] <devslash> I like the launcher at the bottom a little better
[20:48] <k1l> build unity yourself  with that patch included
[20:49] <devslash> ahh... sounds a little compalicated
[20:49] <devslash> sudo killall Xorg
[20:51] <devslash> I heard about a programmer who tried to end it all by rm -rf self...