[04:56] <Jordan_U> !ubuwin
[04:58] <Jordan_U> !no ubuwin is <reply> Canonical and Microsoft have announced that Windows 10 will be able to run Ubuntu programs without needing porting/recompilation. This functionality is still in beta and is not currently supported in #ubuntu. For discussion, see #ubuntu-offtopic and/or #ubuntu-discuss.
[04:59] <Jordan_U> !no ubuwin is <reply> Canonical and Microsoft have announced that Windows 10 will be able to run Ubuntu programs without needing porting/recompilation. This functionality is still in beta and is not currently supported in #ubuntu. For discussion, see #ubuntu-offtopic and/or #ubuntu-discuss.
[04:59] <dax> @login
[04:59] <dax> !ubuwin
[04:59] <dax> !ubuwin =~ s/has not yet been released/is still in beta and is not currently supported in #ubuntu/
[05:00] <Jordan_U> I did a successfull @login in PM before my second attempt, so I don't know why it failed. Maybe because it was a "duplicate" request and thus ignored?
[05:00] <dax> yeah, it gets prissy about duplicate requests
[05:05] <dax> we really need to figure out what to do about Ubuntu for Windows long-term.
[05:05] <dax> i don't think #ubuntu is a good idea. i like popey's #ubuntu-for-windows idea. i do not particularly like the complete lack of useful replies to it.
[05:11] <Jordan_U> I think how good of an idea it is to support in #ubuntu might depend on how good the implementation is. Right now, definitely not: Only allows root user, no DRI even though you can get X to work running the server as a Windows app, and numerous other subtle bugs due to things like differences between linux processes/threads and the windows threads used to implement them that end up giving errors messa
[05:11] <Jordan_U> ges and results that can't be easily recognised as Windows specific.
[05:14] <Jordan_U> I don't expect that to change enough before it's officially "released" as non-beta, so maybe it should be uncontroversial to have #ubuntu-for-windows at the start and only allow discussion in #ubuntu once the vast majority of problems in #ubuntu-for-windows are clearly not Windows specific (if that ever happens).
[05:15] <dax> what's it actually officially called
[05:18] <Jordan_U> dax: Multiple things as far as I can tell, including "bash on Ubuntu on Windows" "Windows services for Linux" and "lsx".
[05:18] <dax> the middle one seems to be the name of the bit of the Windows kernel that supports it, which presumably is outside of our area of things
[05:19] <Jordan_U> dax: Indeed.
[05:19] <dax> i've seen "Ubuntu on Windows" a few times but mostly in the context of it, like, literally being Ubuntu on Windows
[05:19] <dax> see this is why it's absurd that there's a community called Ubuntu that produces a distro called Ubuntu and is attached to a company that makes other products and also calls them Ubuntu (sometimes with extra words)
[05:20] <dax> anyway
[05:20] <dax> #ubuntu-on-windows i guess
[05:20] <Jordan_U> And I think focusing on "bash" is a little silly, but it does appear to be what they're doing: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/04/06/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-14316/ "Run native Bash on Ubuntu on Windows".
[05:20] <dax> well i mean it's Windows, it's silly out of the box
[05:21] <dax> screw it, I'm registering #ubuntu-on-windows, registering #ubuntu-for-windows, +if'ing the latter to the former, and flagging the IRCC as founder on both
[05:22] <Jordan_U> Cool.
[05:39] <dax> if anyone wants ops there, let me know. ubuntu/member/* and freenode/staff/* have it already
[05:40] <elky> +1 to the separate channels. even without the oddities it's goign to have, it'll turn #ubuntu into a windows support channel within approxmately .3 of a second.
[05:40] <Jordan_U> Is giving all Ubuntu members ops access in a channel common? That seems a little too broad a class of people to trust.
[05:41] <elky> it works for -release-party
[05:41] <dax> Jordan_U: #ubuntu-irc, #ubuntu-unregged, etc. I'll probably remove it if it gets an actual ops team
[05:41] <dax> just don't wanna throw it out there and then go to sleep
[05:42] <dax> correction: if it gets an actual ops team, one of them can have +F and figure out ubuntu member flags
[05:44]  * dax wanders off
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[20:58] <Pici> :)
[21:12] <k1l> had today again pm spam from smart_girl [~amelia@189.84.244.177], was there last weeks with pm spam as _crazy_girl [~crazy@189.84.244.177]
[21:15] <Myrtti> noted, gotten rid of