[00:32] <Acou_Bass> hey guys, i plugged my nexus 4 into HDMI using a MySP cable to test this convergence fandangle... the screen on the phone changes to say its plugged into an external display however nothing appears on my TV... is that a duff cable, or am i missng some sort of seting on the phone?
[03:01] <Xandebastos> Hi
[03:02] <Xandebastos> Imagina Talking by my new ubuntu phone
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-10-update-is-coming-on-april-7-for-nexus-4-and-nexus-7-devices-502660.shtml
[05:31] <mpt> ogra_, who is “you guys”? If you mean Canonical’s designers, a few of us hang out in #ubuntu-design
[08:09] <stakewinner00> I think there are some type of visual bug, instead of showing the text it shows "indicator-rotation-lock" and there are no switch to unlock it.
[08:10] <stakewinner00> Also, the alarm now shows "Tomorrow" instea of the text in my language.
[08:13] <hjb> howdy. is there any way to disable the snooze timer on the alarm clock once i hit it?
[08:14] <hjb> i yet haven't found one
[08:23] <sil2100> stakewinner00: hey! The 'Tomorrow' translation issue is a known bug sadly which we found out about a bit late in the OTA-10 cycle...
[08:23] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1566341
[08:23] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1566341 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "``Tomorrow'' appears untranslated" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:25] <stakewinner00> sil2100, well, this doesn't matter anyway, the "problem" es that i can not turn on/off rotation, i was searching some related issue now.
[08:25] <sil2100> stakewinner00: that one is weird indeed
[08:27] <sil2100> stakewinner00: this looks and works fine on my device - what device/channel/image are you using?
[08:33] <stakewinner00> sil2100, bq e4.5 https://a.uguu.se/hrtsua_photo_2016-04-07_10-33-19.jpg
[08:34] <sil2100> Ok, that's really weird
[08:35] <sil2100> rvr: hey, you saw anything like that during testing? ^
[08:35] <sil2100> stakewinner00: is it reproducible on subsequent reboots?
[08:36] <sil2100> In my Polish locale things look ok, I get the usual indicator name and the right contents
[08:36] <stakewinner00> i don't try to reboot,
[08:37] <stakewinner00> lol, now it shows.
[08:39] <sil2100> uhh
[08:39] <sil2100> Ok, that was strange, not really sure how to explain that
[08:39] <stakewinner00> I have not tried to reboot because when installing OTA-10 it reboots automatically.
[08:39] <sil2100> Things like that should not happen but well, yeah
[08:47] <hjb> noone with an idea regarding that snooze problem? it's a bit annoying :)
[08:53] <sil2100> hjb: hey, sorry I don't use the snooze option so I wouldn't know ;)
[08:54] <stakewinner00> This code doesn't seem to handle errors, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/indicator-display/vivid/view/head:/src/rotation-lock.cpp#L117 and reading the documentation for gmenu i don't says anything about handling errors.
[09:24] <zzarr> I have OTA-10 on my phone now, what have happened to the browser?
[09:24] <zzarr> I mean, it's so fast :-D
[09:38] <rvr> sil2100: Nope :-/
[09:42] <hjb> sil2100: you should really try it. it's great
[09:42] <hjb> you can snooze for a couple of minutes
[09:50] <popey> mpt: what word do we use instead of "click" or "tap" to mean both? Choose?
[09:52] <arnaudober3> @popey: http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/37963/what-word-can-be-used-to-mean-either-click-or-tap
[09:52] <popey> ah, select
[10:02] <rvr> sil2100: stakewinner00: To me it looks like the indicator crashed, because it is showing the gear icon, instead of its own
[10:02] <k1l_> still no ota10 for my n4 :(
[10:04] <sil2100> k1l_: yeah, sorry about that, our developers are working on the fix that blocked mako OTA-10 release
[10:11] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, a question. In the bluetooth indicator dropdown, did it used to list devices there?
[10:12] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: no the bt indicator kinda sucks as an indicator I think it does on desktop but on on phone
[10:12] <davmor2> but not on phone even
[10:12] <john-mcaleely> aha. causing confusion for an OEM qa team
[10:12] <john-mcaleely> so, yes, sucks, but 'by current design'
[10:12] <john-mcaleely> thanks davmor2
[10:13] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: current implementation not necessarily design :)  Might want to ask mpt about design
[10:16] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, just need to resolve a bug today, not solve all the world's problems :-
[10:16] <john-mcaleely> )
[10:17] <john-mcaleely> and sure 'by current implementation'
[10:20] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: :D
[10:37] <mpt> davmor2, john-mcaleely: I designed the PC version. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth#PC> Paty I think designed the phone version. <https://goo.gl/xIF8Cb> (currently Canonical-only link, sorry) We haven’t yet had time to converge them.
[10:39] <john-mcaleely> mpt, thanks!
[10:39] <davmor2> mpt: thanks
[10:39] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: so as designed too :)
[10:41] <john-mcaleely> ha
[10:42] <mpt> My original design for the phone menu did show connected devices. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth#Indicator_and_menu>
[11:03] <Acou_Bass> quick query guys - do i need a BT keyboard hooked up to my phone to test convergence? ive tried plugging into a monitor, and the screen changes to say its registered as being plugged into a display, but nothing appears on said display
[11:03] <Acou_Bass> i was wondering if its a case of 'nothing will happen until you actually attach peripherals' :D
[11:05] <greyback> Acou_Bass: unity8 shell should appear on the external display. You just get all black?
[11:05] <Acou_Bass> yeah my display says no input detected
[11:05] <greyback> Acou_Bass: you using a slimport to hdmi adapter?
[11:05] <Acou_Bass> yarr
[11:06] <davmor2> Acou_Bass: what phone are you using?
[11:06] <Acou_Bass> nexus 4 :D
[11:06] <greyback> Acou_Bass: have you connected the additional USB cable to the slimport? It adds power, which slimports sometimes needs to operate properly
[11:06] <Acou_Bass> yeah i added that too
[11:07] <greyback> Acou_Bass: hmm, I'm not certain what's wrong. Since phone is reporting external display, it must be drawing to it
[11:07] <davmor2> and you are using a straight hdmi lead plugged into the slimport right?
[11:08] <Acou_Bass> and if i unplug HDMI from TV and leave phone plugged in, it does take power, shows as charging
[11:08] <Acou_Bass> davmor2: the cable i have has HDMI male on one end and micro-USB on the other, so no second cable  attached
[11:08] <davmor2> Acou_Bass: also are what version of ubuntu are you using on the n4
[11:09] <Acou_Bass> OTA 9.1 i believe? i just flashed the stable image
[11:09] <davmor2> greyback: ^ isn't this a ota10 feature
[11:09] <Acou_Bass> as in, --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[11:09] <greyback> davmor2: yeah
[11:09] <davmor2> Acou_Bass: it might be that it is only ota10 so you are no on the right image yet
[11:10] <Acou_Bass> ahhhh ok ;D cool, i think ill wait for the OTA 10 bugfixes to finnish then
[11:10] <greyback> davmor2: no, it's been there a while
[11:10] <Acou_Bass> oh or not :P
[11:10] <greyback> I'm trying flashing my N4
[11:11] <Acou_Bass> its possible the cable is duff i guess, its only a cheap one off amazon, but the phone registers it as being connected...
[11:11] <greyback> Acou_Bass: unfortunately I have had problems with cheap slimport cables
[11:11] <greyback> but let me try here first
[11:11] <Acou_Bass> hmm, i didnt even know there were non-cheap ones ;P and ok
[11:19] <greyback> lousy router
[11:21] <CaptainHeavy> Hello all, is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers still used for filing new bugs?
[11:22] <CaptainHeavy> Doesn't look like it is.  Ah sorry, just saw a link on the page to the new filing system.  Ignore me!
[11:22] <popey> its a good starting point to find where to file bugs
[11:26] <CaptainHeavy> Am I right in assuming that to file a bug for the newest OTA I'd shell to my phone and type "ubuntu-bug unity10"?
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> CaptainHeavy: did you find an ota-10 bug?
[11:31] <CaptainHeavy> lotuspsychje: I'm filing one for the messaging-app, realised that it originated in that app so I should probably create the report in that context
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> CaptainHeavy: can you share to the channel, what you experience?
[11:32] <mcphail> Is it possible to use a PPTP vpn in OTA10? Is it openvpn-only?
[11:32] <CaptainHeavy> Yeah sure, I'll finish typing it up then copy/paste :-)
[11:34] <CaptainHeavy> After opening messaging-app to reply to a message, I clicked on the microphone button to record audio and a pop-up dialog appeared stating that the messaging-app was requesting access to the microphone.  Only the top half of this dialog was visible however, since the keyboard was still displayed on screen.  After pressing the "home" button on my Meizu MX4 I was taken back to the app selection scope but the keyboard was s
[11:39] <popey> mcphail: not yet, ota-10 is first OTA with vpn, PPTP later
[11:40] <mcphail> popey: ta
[12:08] <greyback_> Acou_Bass: sorry for the delay. Just testing my N4 with slimport to monitor - it is working here
[12:09] <greyback_> Acou_Bass: perhaps you could try a different monitor? And ensure the extra USB power is working.
[12:10] <zzarr> will there be a way to communicate be a way to "bind" a computer and phone? (both running Ubuntu)
[12:11] <zzarr> what I mean is, that if my phone "see" my computer in the same WLAN it could connect and I would be notified about phone calls and SMS on my computer
[12:11] <zzarr> as well as able to respond to SMS
[12:12] <greyback_> zzarr: we don't have such plans just yet. Doing that in a reliable & secure way will be tough
[12:12] <zzarr> greyback_, why? ssh with keys
[12:15] <zzarr> maybe one could pare the devices by connecting the USB cable the first time
[12:15] <greyback_> it's do-able, but the amount of ways something can go wrong is high
[12:16] <zzarr> greyback_, why? what could go wrong?
[12:17] <greyback_> 2 devices talking - if connection dies, need to handle that
[12:17] <greyback_> what if both devices have conflicting info, how to resolve that
[12:18] <zzarr> how could that happen?
[12:19] <greyback_> you have contacts database on both devices. it's totally possible they'll pick up different info
[12:20] <zzarr> greyback_, no, there's no need for contacts on both ends (besides that's already implemented)
[12:21] <zzarr> greyback_, just a way to transfer text in each direction
[12:21] <greyback_> zzarr: well anyway, this is a hypothetical discussion, and we've no plans to do it
[12:22] <greyback_> you're welcome to give it a go
[12:22] <zzarr> might do actually some time
[12:24] <zzarr> in any way, I feel like OTA-10 made my phone faster
[12:24] <zzarr> I have a MX4
[13:03] <dobey> zzarr: i wouldn't expect those features over wifi, but via bluetooth perhaps
[13:56] <mcphail> hmm. Browser experience isn't great so far on OTA10 for me. Is there a more aggressive memory recovery algorithm? Pages are breaking and reloading as I scroll up and down
[13:57] <pmcgowan> oSoMoN, ^^
[13:57] <ogra_> just dont scroll, not implemented yet
[13:57]  * ogra_ hides
[13:57] <mcphail> ha!
[13:57] <ogra_> :)
[13:59] <pmcgowan> mcphail, there was a change to unload background tabs to free memory, but shouldn't affect active page
[14:00] <mike00> often, when I'm seeing a video with the browser, instead clicking on the pause button the system recognize a scroll and it shows me open tabs: DO SOMETHING!!!
[14:02] <mcphail> pmcgowan: i'm scrolling through the "how many Ubuntu users" infographic on insights.ubuntu.com, and the graphics seem to be repeatedly dying and reloading with scrollinf. not sure if it is just a badly optimised page
[14:02] <mcphail> single tab open only
[14:03] <mcphail> fresh reboot, no other apps opened
[14:03] <dobey> mike00: file a bug report please, ideally with a link to a page with a video where this happens
[14:03] <oSoMoN> mike00, that’s https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1474533, and it’s being worked on
[14:03] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1474533 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Taps at the bottom of the screen trigger a bottom edge gesture" [High,In progress]
[14:03] <dobey> oh, or there is one
[14:04] <mike00> so? is there the bug report yet?
[14:04] <dobey> mike00: the one oSoMoN just linked, yes
[14:05] <mike00> and what I have to do?
[14:06] <mike00> tell I have the same bug? how?
[14:06] <pmcgowan> mike00, at the top of the bug page "Does this bug affect you?"
[14:06] <mike00> ok, thanks
[14:12] <mcphail> Can anyone running OTA9.1 load http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/04/07/ubuntu-is-everywhere/ and tell me if the graphics keep popping in and out if you scroll up and down (which they are doing on OTA10 for me on krillin)?
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: im on ota10 already
[14:15] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: Suspect most people will be by now...
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> lemme try that link anyway
[14:20] <ogra_> wow, this page is generally bad in the ubuntu browser
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: same issue on ota10 bq 4.5, scrolling up n down shows/hides pics
[14:21] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: ta!
[14:21] <ogra_> like ... *any* subpage underneath insights.u.c is like that
[14:22] <ogra_> a simple scroll event shows me 300% CPU usage in htop
[14:23] <mcphail> ogra_: is that a new thing? I don't remember such a bad experience with the browser before this, but not sure if I've been on that subdomain before
[14:23] <ogra_> oSoMoN, ^^ that seems like a good page to add to regular testing ...
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> the slideshow on document viewer is fantastic, 0 lag on pdf's
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> and night mode :p
[14:27] <oSoMoN> ogra_, yup, I’ll file a bug to track that one, it’s pretty bad
[14:27] <ogra_> yep
[14:27] <mcphail> oSoMoN: thanks
[14:28] <ogra_> oSoMoN, even on frieza i only see it scroll like 2min after i touched the screen
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> perhaps website related? deviantart mobile version scrolls tru pics just fine
[14:31] <oSoMoN> in general scrolling on any *ubuntu.com page on ubuntu devices is a painful experience, I wonder if the images embedded are super high resolution or something
[14:31] <oSoMoN> (yes, it’s as bad as it sounds)
[14:33] <oSoMoN> actually, there is already a bug report for that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1555674
[14:33] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1555674 in Oxide "Rendering is very slow on MX4 when scrolling on ubuntu.com" [Undecided,New]
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> oSoMoN: nice find, i have this too on the bq 4.5
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> oSoMoN: comment added
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> webbrowser-app on desktop 16.04 loads page like a charm
[14:54] <dobey> oSoMoN: any chance that webbrowser-app will get support for chromium extensions?
[14:55] <oSoMoN> dobey, not really, that’s a non-goal for oxide
[14:55] <dobey> :(
[14:55] <dobey> really need https-everywhere, ublock, and would allow chromecast
[14:57] <oSoMoN> a built-in adblocker would be great to have
[14:59] <dobey> oSoMoN: chromecast would be a big thing for many people. but we can't ship it in the browser afaik. has to be installed from the chrome store
[15:15] <lotuspsychje_> popey: is there a starting point for ubuntu-touch contribute, for new developers
[15:21] <popey> lotuspsychje_: http://developer.ubuntu.com/ is the main starting point
[15:22] <lotuspsychje_> popey: yes, but is there a sublink to ubuntu-touch specific?
[15:22] <lotuspsychje_> upp wants to help develop
[15:27] <popey> lotuspsychje: not really.
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[15:27] <upp> okay, http://developer.ubuntu.com/ is also a good place
[15:28] <upp> will try to start there
[15:47] <mcphail> Is jhodapp around this week?
[16:14] <zzarr> dobey, yea, bt might work
[16:54] <n8m> anyone know the status of the rest of the OTA-10 releases?
[16:56] <popey> n8m: ping sil2100
[17:01] <n8m> thanks
[17:19] <dobey> mariogrip: hey. did you get any chance to see about the battery fix on hammerhead too?
[19:08] <mariogrip> dobey: it did not work on hammerhead, i'll debug that and bt tomorrow
[19:10] <dobey> mariogrip: ok, thanks
[19:17] <matv1> hello, is Mako ota-10 still rolling? landing emails suggest I should have it by now. So I am not sure if something is wrong at my end
[19:18] <sil2100> matv1: hey!
[19:19] <matv1> hi sil2100
[19:19] <sil2100> No no, all is ok on your end, we still didn't manage to release the mako OTA-10 images - there's a regression we had to fix first
[19:19] <sil2100> We have the fix ready and in testing now
[19:19] <sil2100> Once it gets released, we will be quickly re-spinning mako and making it available
[19:20] <matv1> ah ok. allright then. best of luck on that last bit!
[19:20] <sil2100> The fix was a bit more troublesome than we anticipated as it's actually a pulseaudio change, so we need to rebuild the rootfs (which will take time)
[19:20] <sil2100> So realistically, sadly, I would say tomorrow would be the best ETA for the update :(
[19:20] <sil2100> Sorry about that
[19:21] <matv1> sil2100 Don't worry about it :)
[19:38] <pidave> hi all - any news on ota 10 for nexus 4
[19:38] <pidave> ?
[19:38] <sil2100> pidave: hey! Yes, we have a fix for the issue we found but it's still being tested right now
[19:38] <pidave> that's great to hear - thank you
[19:38] <sil2100> Meaning we still need a little bit time
[19:39] <pidave> i'm also having issues downloading canonical apps from the store - all others appear ok?
[19:39]  * k1l_ stops searching for updates then every 2 minutes :)
[19:39] <pidave> it gets to 100% then says download failed
[19:41] <sil2100> hm, would have to check
[19:41] <sil2100> But it was fine in the morning
[19:42] <pidave> yep - i rebuilt yesterday evening -all apps appear to d/l bar canonical - will try again after ota 10 and jump back in if its still an issue
[19:44] <pidave> by canonical i mean ubuntu core apps - document viewer and calendar specifically
[19:49] <dobey> pidave: in the store, not the updates in system settings?
[19:49] <pidave> hi dobey - yes trying to install from the store
[19:50] <pidave> got a 'feeling' its to do with them being updated for ota 10? but that's just a guess nothing more
[19:50] <dobey> that's odd. would have to see the download-manager logs probably, to possibly tell what's wrong
[19:50] <dobey> nope, that wouldn't be it
[19:51] <pidave> where is the location of the logs please?
[19:51] <dobey> under ~/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager/
[19:51] <dobey> there's probably an ubuntu-download-manager.ERROR there
[19:52] <pidave> hi dobey - just a .info and a .warning
[19:52] <dobey> pidave: can you pastebin the contents of the warning file?
[19:54] <pidave> apologies but i'm running out of time for tonight's tinkering - but i really a appreciate the help -
[19:54] <pidave> a quick tail of the file shows
[19:54] <pidave> Log line format: [IWEF]mmdd hh:mm:ss.uuuuuu threadid file:line] msg
[19:54] <pidave> W0407 20:31:51.640933  5058 filename_mutex.cpp:85] Tried to remove filename ' /home/phablet/.local/share/ubuntu-download-manager/Downloads/com.ubuntu.calendar_0.5.800_all.click' when it was not owned by any object.
[19:54] <pidave> W0407 20:31:53.179281  5058 file_download.cpp:1178]  Download ID{ 52add14d765d47de9e44121a2fe696f5 } Error 9removing file with path /home/phablet/.local/share/ubuntu-download-manager/Downloads/com (4).ubuntu.calendar_0.5.800_all.click
[19:54] <pidave> don't want to be too spammy on the chat
[19:56] <dobey> ok
[19:56] <pidave> I'll rm the click files from the dl folder
[19:58] <pidave> odd - cleared the .click files d/l document viewer again and got the same error
[19:59] <pidave> com.ubuntu.docviewer_2.1.330_armhf.click
[19:59] <pidave>  - is the file it creates
[19:59] <pidave> got to go now
[20:00] <pidave> thanks sil2100 and dobey for your time and pointers etc
[20:00] <dobey> yeah, that's not the issue; something else wrong. trying here, but my mako is being really slow with my wifi for some reason
[20:00] <pidave> ok thanks again
[20:00] <pidave> bfn
[20:10] <dobey> hmm, just installed docviewr fine on my mako
[22:03] <Acou_Bass> mcphail: im a bit late... but that insights page works absolutely fine on OTA 9.1 on nexus 4