[00:11] <ali1234> networking doesn't work so i can't install anything
[00:14] <daftykins> wat
[00:14] <ali1234> can't even ping localhost. fail.
[00:17] <daftykins> dead interfaces?
[00:17] <ali1234> /proc/net/dev doesn't exist
[00:18] <ali1234> it's as if you built a linux kernel with no network device support at all
[00:18] <ali1234> "ping: icmp open socket: Socket type not supported"
[00:18] <daftykins> oh i see in there, i was assuming in the host OS
[00:18] <daftykins> or rather the VM
[00:18] <ali1234> no, in the host OS it works "fine" (for windows)
[00:21] <daftykins> loving the ongoing bias
[00:26] <zmoylan-pi> i'm not biased, i just hate ms... :-P
[00:27] <daftykins> still, makes sense to acknowledge none are without fault
[00:27] <ali1234> i rebooted, now it doesn't work at all
[00:27] <daftykins> \o/
[00:31] <ali1234> maybe i need to check for updates again
[00:32] <diddledan> ali1234: try something other than ping. like apt
[00:32] <diddledan> or curl/wget
[00:33] <ali1234> http://i.imgur.com/EXraQqq.png
[00:33] <ali1234> none of it works
[00:33] <ali1234> can't resolve hostnames, can't create sockets
[00:33] <diddledan> worked for me
[00:34] <diddledan> though I didn't do it in a VM
[00:34] <diddledan> maybe the virtual network driver is shoddy
[00:35] <ali1234> maybe. i'll add a usb wifi dongle and pass it thru to windows
[00:36] <ali1234> apparently my virtualbox isn't configured properly to do that
[00:36] <diddledan> for reference I ran "apt update" and "apt upgrade" with no problems
[00:36] <ali1234> those don't work either
[00:37] <daftykins> bridged networking or NATing in this thing?
[00:39] <ali1234> NAT
[00:39] <ali1234> not that it matters
[00:39] <diddledan> it might
[00:39] <daftykins> with vbox, any tweak is worth a go
[00:39] <diddledan> vbox nat is half-assed
[00:39] <daftykins> s/vbox//
[00:39] <ali1234> okay i will try it
[00:41] <ali1234> absolutely no difference
[00:42] <daftykins> which vbox is this?
[00:42] <daftykins> i was never a fan
[00:42] <ali1234> 5
[00:45] <diddledan> couple things to check: did you launch bash from a command prompt or did you find it in the start-menu? is your windows user an administrator? (I started bash from powershell by simply typing `bash` and my user IS an administrator)
[00:46] <ali1234> i have absolutely no idea
[00:49] <diddledan> random diversion: btrfs scrub is gonna take an AGE on here - I started it 2 hours ago and it's done approx 50GB on each of my four discs and they're each 3TB large
[00:49] <ali1234> running it as administrator makes no difference
[00:49] <diddledan> weirdness indeed
[00:50] <diddledan> I'm out of ideas :-(
[00:55] <daftykins> early software strikes?
[00:55] <ali1234> not really sure what i expected
[00:55] <diddledan> daftykins: blame the unions
[00:56] <daftykins> happy to throw it on vmware tomorrow to see how that behaves
[00:56] <daftykins> does vbox have multiple model virtual NICs you can assign?
[00:56] <daftykins> i'm clutching at straws totally there, of course
[00:56] <diddledan> I'll download a copy and try on vbox myself to see if it's related to vbox directly
[00:58] <daftykins> are you both on the same release and have vbox from the same source?
[00:58] <diddledan> ali1234: only thing I can think that I've not checked - they said in their smallprint that it requires a 64bit edition of win10
[00:58] <ali1234> i have 64 bit
[00:59] <diddledan> I'm on xenial, daftykins, and I'll be installing vbox from the repo
[01:00] <ali1234> nothing with the virtual network adapter explains why i don't even have a loopback device
[01:01] <daftykins> does it even work that way?
[01:02] <diddledan> ifconfig fails on my system so I'm assuming MS have some magic sauce that isn't a complete implementation of the linux network stack
[01:03] <diddledan> ali1234: just a thought. did you install home or pro variant? (I'll do both to check)
[01:03] <ali1234> i wasn't offered a choice
[01:03] <ali1234> i installed windows 10 N
[01:03] <diddledan> hmm
[01:04] <diddledan> I'll get a copy of that too, then
[01:04] <ali1234> i used the "English" version not "English (International)"
[01:04] <daftykins> ooh-err.
[01:04] <daftykins> N is that weird cutdown
[01:04] <daftykins> can't see it breaking that though
[01:04] <ali1234> the download page said that 10 N is compatible with both home and pro
[01:05] <daftykins> i definitely had a vanilla image from xenial earlier, on the download page
[01:05] <diddledan> N is the EU-endorsed no-media variant isn't it?
[01:05] <zmoylan-pi> i always worry when i read compatible...
[01:05] <daftykins> Lemmings, IBM PC compatible
[01:06] <ali1234> i will download the insider preview iso and install that instead
[01:06] <ali1234> on my desktop it says this "Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview Evaluation Copy Build 14316.rs1_release.160402-2217"
[01:07] <daftykins> diddledan: one of my clients got tired of 'contacts' opening slowly on his Samsung Galaxy S5 so called me up today to say he'd bought a Nokia Lumia... >_<
[01:07] <ali1234> but my original download was not an insider ISO, it was 10 N
[01:07] <diddledan> ok, that answers whether you got pro or home then
[01:07] <diddledan> daftykins: haha
[01:09] <diddledan> right, full-fat home and pro are installing. just firing up N-home and N-pro now
[01:10] <diddledan> ok, they're all going now
[01:11] <diddledan> just have to wait till they fini installing
[01:11] <daftykins> some day soon i'll have fancy modern kit that's that rapid!
[01:11] <diddledan> \o/
[01:11] <diddledan> yours'll be better than mine then
[01:11] <daftykins> i'm going to retire my RAID-0'd pair of velociraptors as VM storage, i think
[01:12] <daftykins> well, £600 bought me a skylake i7 and 32GB RAM
[01:12] <diddledan> full-fat pro installed
[01:12] <diddledan> getting critical updates >.<
[01:13] <ali1234> i think it just doesn't work inside a VM
[01:14] <daftykins> sure seems that way
[01:14] <daftykins> i take it your CPU supports VT?
[01:14] <ali1234> yes, but not inside a VM
[01:15] <daftykins> last thing i can think of
[01:20] <diddledan> ali1234: so that I replicate as close as poss - did you install the guest additions?
[01:21] <ali1234> no
[01:51] <diddledan> ok, they're uptodate prior to receiving an insider build - I'll leave them running till I wake up tomorrow and hopefully they'll be ready to install the build by then (there's a bit of a delay between activating the insider builds on an install and actually being offered your first insider update)
[01:52] <diddledan> and on that note I'm off to the land of Nod
[01:53] <daftykins> ah i thought you had grabbed the image
[01:53] <daftykins> ta-ra \o
[06:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy World Health Day! 😃
[09:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: got bro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWf-eARnf6U&nohtml5=False
[09:06] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:17] <foobarry> my doggy died yesterday:(
[09:17] <foobarry> got more upset than i expected.
[09:19] <popey> :(
[09:19] <popey> Sorry to hear that foobarry
[09:33] <davmor2> foobarry: :(
[09:39] <foobarry> a finer doggy you never did meet
[09:40] <foobarry> heart was failing and her lungs were filling so we had to put her down, even though she was still wagging her tail etc and looked ok :(
[09:43] <SuperMatt> people often underestimate how hard it is to lose a dog
[09:51] <popey> awwww
[09:52] <popey> keep trying to convince wifey we should get a dog
[09:52] <SuperMatt> I will be inconsolable when my cat passed, I'm sure
[09:52] <SuperMatt> pets bring so much to our lives
[09:52] <SuperMatt> and I'm glad you had one foobarry that you loved, and loved you back
[09:53] <popey> yeah. one of my cats got run over, managed to drag herself back to the house to die in the den. survived long enough to take her to the vet.
[09:58] <foobarry> my dog was like a cat
[09:58] <foobarry> liked cuddles etc. wife is devastated as it was her friend when she was alone.kids don't know yet
[09:58] <foobarry> also we rescued her from RSPCA so she had a good life
[10:21] <foobarry> did you cat owners get your cats from kitten stage?
[10:24] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think one /owns/ a cat.  feels the other way around... :-)
[10:25] <zmoylan-pi> and i hope you find a new dog to share your life with foobarry...
[10:29] <foobarry> maybe we will get a cat instead
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> you can /bring/ cats for a walk but they have to learn young i've been told...
[10:34] <foobarry> realised most of the fun times and good bonding i've had with my kids has been on doggy walks
[10:35] <popey> foobarry: yes, one of ours was a kitten, the other we got because a friend wasn't allowed cats anymore
[10:35] <popey> I'll be devastated when Salem goes. he's 12 now, and is super clingy
[10:35] <davmor2> popey: so how's the mate or is there more curing to do yet?
[10:36] <popey> still curing
[10:36] <davmor2> popey: how long does that take?
[10:36] <popey> as long as you like
[10:37] <popey> I'm only letting it sit for 24 hrs
[10:37] <popey> will have a cup later today
[10:37] <davmor2> popey: oh okay I was wondering if it was like a week long thing or something
[10:37] <popey> apparently you can do that if you want
[10:38] <popey> but have to replace the leaves every 24 hours
[10:38] <popey> if I did this for a week I'd run out of mate before I had any to drink :)
[10:41] <davmor2> popey: hahaha
[10:42] <davmor2> popey: it's like the pucker teacup in china they say aren't seasoned properly till they are 2 years old :)
[10:42] <popey> blimey
[10:48] <davmor2> popey: sorry meant teapot don't know why I put cup :D
[11:54] <foobarry> has anyone seen the creature swimming in the thames video?
[11:56] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubwFvl-My4E
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> porpoise? dolphin? didn't a whale swim in a few years ago?
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames_whale
[12:15] <foobarry> somebodys selling a xbox360 for £30, thats pretty good surely
[12:15] <foobarry> if it works
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> don't microsoft block xboxes if the account does funny things?
[12:17] <foobarry> the whole console? wow
[12:17] <foobarry> i'd get a ps3 at that price
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> might just be modded consoles... http://www.geeksquad.com/intelligence/blog/xbox-360-buyer-beware-of-blocked-consoles/
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> i could never bring myself to buy a console that you never 100% own
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> *console/hardware... as google is now reminding nest owners... :-)
[12:24] <foobarry> revolv
[12:24]  * popey wonders if http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B010Q57S62 works in a pi 3
[12:26] <foobarry> what's this review banging on about
[12:26] <foobarry> http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R1QZ6A8TZ38ETH/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B013UDL5HU&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=340831031&store=computers
[12:28] <foobarry> it had a non supported filesystem but couldn't he use linux to format it?
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> i have had problems formatting 1-2 cards in the past... ususally just wrote them off to wonky cards... i had formatted them as they had become /glitchy/
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> and a recent usb drive that i formatted as ext4 that was wonky refused to reformat till i realised i had to unmount it in gparted before i could reformat it to work
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> partitions and formatting are just a little different in linux from windows and may cause confusion i suppose is what i am suggesting...
[12:37] <popey> "For the record, I have been using a Belkin card reader, not some unbranded reader"
[12:37] <popey> lulz
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> i hear a lot of people hating on belkin but to me they supply good very generic hardware
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> nothing fancy, no wacky drivers required hardware
[12:38] <foobarry> looking on gumtree, a bargain hunte could prob snap up a ps3 quite cheap
[12:38] <foobarry> plus cheap games
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> how much longer will the ps3 game servers remain online? didn't they just shut down the last of the ps2 servers?
[12:39] <foobarry> 5yrs?
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> it's such a shame that some great games can't be shown to future generatations as the servers they require will be gone...
[12:42] <foobarry> mario kart wii still works, i played it yesterday :D
[12:42] <foobarry> also future generations don't care
[12:42] <popey> friend of mine has re-implemented the dreamcast server to run on a pi
[12:42] <popey> so he can play online dreamcast games again
[12:43] <foobarry> the only ones who care are the ones who played them
[12:43] <foobarry> nice work, reverse engineered popey ?
[12:43] <popey> yeah
[12:44] <popey> https://twitter.com/kazade/status/717411678569283584
[12:47] <foobarry> i recognise the name
[12:47] <foobarry> from some years ago.
[12:47] <foobarry> maybe on digg or irc or something
[12:48] <foobarry> or omgubuntu
[12:48] <popey> he used to kick around on ubuntu yes
[14:48] <TwistedLucidity> With SD cards, the reader firmware is important. My Dell reader won't do high-capacity cards and (for whatever reason) the updated Dell firmware won't install.
[14:48] <TwistedLucidity> Remember kids - don't buy Dell!
[14:49] <popey> i bought an external usb3 reader
[14:49] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Belkin are...below the standard one would expect. Bought two Belkin surge protectored socket strips with "Remote off". Both have now failed
[14:49] <TwistedLucidity> In the same way
[14:52] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Won't future generations care? I think they will. Games are part of our culture and we are heading deeper into an electronic dark age where we not only card read the past (proprietary formats), but how the past even functioned is lost (closed servers)
[14:52] <TwistedLucidity> If they shut down the server, they should F/OSS the code.
[14:53] <TwistedLucidity> If there is a community, let it provide.
[14:53] <TwistedLucidity> Sauerbraten (which runs on Cube2) is still thriving, for example
[14:55] <TwistedLucidity> popey: A RasPi 3 has the same (more more) CPU/GPU chops as a Dreamcast had? Crikey.
[14:55] <bashrc_> surely that's just a selection pressure in favour of open source. Let evolution do its work.
[14:56] <popey> blimey, really?
[14:58] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Well, isn't that what that Dreamcast project implies?
[15:01] <popey> i thought it was the backend bit
[15:03] <TwistedLucidity> Oh......I misunderstood. We'll wait for the RPi4 then :-)
[15:08] <popey> heh
[16:38] <diddledan> this guy scares me: https://youtu.be/Zfc789pGHjA?t=1140 - I'm concerned for Britney's safety after watching that
[17:41] <diddledan> aah the sound of summer - someone in the distance mowing their lawn
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> here it's idiots commuting with stero in car on full blast with windows down now it's warm enough...
[17:52] <diddledan> we get idiots that squeel their tyres outside in the dead of night
[17:52] <diddledan> I find it odd, 'cos we're a cul-de-sac which means they aren't passing-by but chose to be an idiot here
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> speedbump outside house takes care of those... does mean every lorry passing house with scaffolding in back at 6am gets a bit of a reshuffle...
[18:26] <ali1234> diddledan judging from the posts in the feedback centre bash does not work in a vm
[18:26] <diddledan> odd
[18:26] <diddledan> I wonder if that's related to the 64bit requirement
[18:26] <ali1234> also why does opening the start menu freeze all running software?
[18:27] <diddledan> it must be expecting something in hardware that the vm isn't exposing
[18:27] <ali1234> someone wrote that if you start a VPN connection, bash sees it
[18:27] <ali1234> so it must be something to do with the virtual network hardware
[18:28] <diddledan> I'm still waiting for my 4vms to offer me the build
[18:28] <ali1234> just keep rebooting and clicking "check for updates" and eventually it will give up
[18:28] <ali1234> you might have to do it 4 or 5 times
[18:28]  * diddledan tries
[18:29] <ali1234> like most things windows, it's mainly a question of how persistent you can be
[18:29] <diddledan> lol
[18:29] <ali1234> do you get a thing where the start menu won't open?
[18:30] <diddledan> not that I recall
[18:30] <ali1234> i click on it and the logo turns darker blue for like 10 seconds
[18:30] <ali1234> then nothing happens
[18:30] <ali1234> after i do that about 3 or 4 times it opens
[18:30] <ali1234> sometimes it gets stuck open as well
[18:31] <diddledan> although, I just opened start and now it won't close
[18:31] <ali1234> this whole OS is so shoddy I can't understand why anyone would ever use it
[19:06] <ali1234> what is "Oracle Virtualbox VM Extension Pack"?
[19:06] <ali1234> is it the same as guest utilities?
[19:08] <ali1234> ah, package virtualbox-ext-pack
[19:08] <ali1234> it's the stuff you'd previously have to install oracle virtualbox as opposed to OSE to get
[19:10] <diddledan> yeah they packaged it so that it can be added to an existing OSE install
[19:10] <diddledan> that's where the USB support is stored which would be why you couldn't get your wifi to work
[19:11] <ali1234> yeah that's exactly what i'm trying to do
[19:13] <ali1234> still doesn't work though. probably user permissions
[20:17] <diddledan> ali1234: further investigations. it seems that it might be specific to vbox - I just tested using vmware fusion on my mac with a copy of windows that was already in the insider program (and therefore already had received the build without needing to wait for inertia) and it successfully responded to `curl -I google.com` but does still fail to ping
[20:17] <diddledan> anywhere/everywhere
[21:25] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:26] <popey> yo
[21:26] <sebsebseb> popey: how similar are the two M10 tablets really?
[21:27] <popey> no idea, never seen either
[21:27] <popey> specs are on their website
[21:27] <sebsebseb> yeah indeed I know the specs, but what does it really mean,  HD screen
[21:27] <sebsebseb> FHD screen
[21:27] <sebsebseb> slighty better camera on the FHD
[21:28] <sebsebseb> popey: how come y9ou haven't seen one?
[21:29] <popey> hd usually means 720p
[21:29] <popey> fhd usually means 1080p
[21:29] <popey> I don't get to see every single device
[21:29] <sebsebseb> yeah and both are 10 inch
[21:30] <sebsebseb> popey: I will buy one of them soon, might buy the other one at a  later date to, don't know yet
[21:35] <sebsebseb> popey: nexdock very nearly funded now, I look forward to getting that :)
[21:57] <popey> I considered what would take to make one of them
[21:57] <popey> with a better display
[22:00] <sebsebseb> popey: there's only a slight price difference between the two
[22:01] <sebsebseb> altough sometimes 40 pounds or so price difference is more than had orignallhy thought
[22:03] <popey> wondered if I could pick up a second hand broken 1080p laptop and modify it to be like a nexdock
[22:06] <sebsebseb> popey: yeh maybe, if you take the hard disk out and what not
[22:14] <popey> yeah
[22:20] <sebsebseb> popey: nexdock has it's own battery though
[22:20] <sebsebseb> popey: that then powers the rassbery pi for example
[22:20] <sebsebseb> when connected
[22:25] <popey> right, which you'd get in any laptop
[22:42] <sebsebseb> popey: nexdock is still a bit or so different going by the videos etc about it
[22:42] <sebsebseb> it's like a lap top, but not a lap top
[22:45] <popey> it's a laptop with no brain
[22:48] <diddledan> that sounds like diddledan
[22:49] <diddledan> he's a body with no brain
[23:13] <aquarius> ok, it's probably not the right time to work on this, but I'm awake, so hey ho. I have a machine with a root disk and a bunch of other disks in it; the root disk is, I think, ext3, and the other disks are a btrfs cluster. And... it won't boot; it throws errors. Is step 1 "boot off an Ubuntu usb stick"?
[23:26] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/718218054598062081