[04:32] <Kilos> morning peeps
[04:39] <TheMurdz> Morning Kilos
[04:39] <Kilos> hi TheMurdz 
[04:39] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[04:40] <TheMurdz> Thanks a bunch!
[04:40] <Kilos> you havent been here before hey?
[04:41] <TheMurdz> Nope, Only started engaging with local communities today.
[04:41] <Kilos> great you are welcome to hang here 24/7
[04:41] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself
[04:42] <Kilos> like where you are and what system you use etc
[04:42] <Kilos> you know who weare hey?
[04:42] <Kilos> we are
[04:42] <TheMurdz> Awe, Thanks. Sounds like a plan. Well, I'm a sysadmin for one of ZA's ISPs, We don't really use Ubuntu for production, and our workstations are mainly MacOS unless we ask for something else. My personal systems at home though use Ubuntu though. 
[04:42] <TheMurdz> I assume you're all ZA's Ubuntu community ?
[04:43] <Kilos> yip thats us
[04:43] <TheMurdz> Well I'm based in JHB. I live the early life, usually up already at 5am. Cleaning up Naemon...
[04:44] <Kilos> we invite all linux users and even have the odd windows person here when he needs help migrating to linux
[04:44] <Kilos> cool we have quite a few sysadmins here
[04:44] <TheMurdz> hahaha, great great. Good morning to the one Windows user wherever he/she roams.
[04:45] <TheMurdz> Great to hear!
[04:45] <Kilos> may i ask which isp
[04:46] <TheMurdz> Afrihost
[04:46] <Kilos> cool quite a few guys use it
[04:47] <Kilos> now they have direct contact
[04:47] <TheMurdz> Nice. haha, Well I'll only really help out with hosting and it's infrastructure. The residential connectivity side of things I can't really help out with much.
[04:48] <TheMurdz> I'm open to help, but if things break, I'll just be handing out delayed responses. I'm sure you understand why though.
[04:48] <Kilos> yeah but you could maybe point them to the correct peeps when they have hassles
[04:50] <TheMurdz> Sure, that's cool with me. You seem like the only one awake so early?
[04:50] <Kilos> our fly is most likely half asleep on the train to work
[04:51] <Kilos> and other sysadmins do most of their work after everyone else goes home
[04:51] <TheMurdz> Oh, shame man. 
[04:51] <Kilos> im the greeter bot here
[04:51] <Kilos> lol
[04:51] <TheMurdz> Oh haha, nice. 
[04:54] <Kilos> more mazal 
[04:56] <mazal> More oom
[04:57] <mazal> Wat seg daai bot , hoe lank gaan ons koud kry ?
[04:57] <Kilos> ai!
[04:58] <Kilos> Maaz forecast pretoria
[04:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Thursday: Partly Cloudy. High: 22° C., Thursday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 9° C., Friday: Partly Cloudy. High: 22° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 10° C., Saturday: Clear. High: 24° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 12° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 26° C., Sunday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 12° C., Monday: Clear. High: 27° C., Monday Night: Clear.
[04:58] <Maaz> Low: 14° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 28° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 15° C., Wednesday:…
[04:58] <mazal> 22 ? Sal dit glo as ek dit voel
[04:58] <TheMurdz> Time to move the server racks outside. They'll do just fine.
[04:58] <mazal> Voel of ons naby 0 is hier
[04:58] <Kilos> lol
[04:59] <Kilos> mazal meet our new sysadmin TheMurdz 
[04:59] <mazal> Hi TheMurdz
[04:59] <mazal> Me be mazal , breaker of many things :P
[04:59] <TheMurdz> Heya Mazal! haha, great to meet you.
[05:20] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[05:20]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[05:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:24] <Kilos> Maaz thanks man
[05:24] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[05:45] <Kilos> hi Cryterion zipper 
[05:46] <inetpro> Guten morgen 
[05:46] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[05:46] <Kilos> morgen her inetpro 
[05:46] <inetpro> Kilos: where is your friend grumble? 
[05:46] <Kilos> cold hey
[05:46] <Kilos> i have no idea
[05:46] <Kilos> maybe studying
[05:46] <inetpro> oops, I mean, I found him 
[05:47] <Kilos> Maaz seen gremble
[05:47] <Maaz> Kilos: gremble was last seen 24 days, 17 hours, 33 minutes and 28 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-03-13 05:13:32 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-03-13 05:38:51 PDT
[05:47] <thatgraemeguy> morning peoples
[05:47] <Kilos> oh you found him
[05:47] <Kilos> where?
[05:47] <inetpro> "Just stay in bed. It's too cold. Turn away. Sleep further. Do not go down this road, it will bring only tears."
[05:47] <thatgraemeguy> actually feels like afternoon already :d
[05:47] <Kilos> lol
[05:49] <TheMurdz> Morning morning.
[05:49] <Kilos> guys meet TheMurdz sysadmin at afrihost
[05:49] <TheMurdz> :)
[05:50] <Kilos> and tell him where you are
[05:51] <Kilos> now they are all shy
[05:51] <Kilos> ai!
[05:52] <thatgraemeguy> Hi Afrihost
[05:52] <TheMurdz> Heya Graeme
[05:53] <Kilos> you know each other?
[05:53] <thatgraemeguy> so now we have an Afrihoster, a Webafrican and a Heztnerite in here
[05:53] <TheMurdz> Woah, That's awesome though!
[05:53] <thatgraemeguy> only as well as I know you Kilos :P
[05:53] <Kilos> now we just need a telkom isp
[05:53] <thatgraemeguy> uh no, then everyone will leave
[05:53] <TheMurdz> hahahahaha
[05:54] <Kilos> nono man then i can complain directly
[05:54] <thatgraemeguy> then he'll leave..... :D
[05:54] <Kilos> haha na we are too friendly
[06:04]  * mazal speaks in very cruel tongues
[06:04] <mazal> What a struggle
[06:04] <TheMurdz> What broke now?
[06:04] <Kilos> lol
[06:04] <mazal> Tried installing something small last night at home and failed due to no internet. Searching now for full offline solution for install , none
[06:05] <Kilos> oh mazal we looked at that on trello
[06:05] <mazal> Developer answer: " We live in 21st century and don't care about the minority that don't have internet "
[06:05] <Kilos> there are ways
[06:05] <mazal> He clearly don't live in SA
[06:05] <Kilos> inetpro tell him
[06:06] <Kilos> mazal what app do you need to get?
[06:06] <mazal> Forge
[06:06] <mazal> Minecraft forge to be more exact 
[06:06] <Kilos> get that and run apt rdepends for all the dependancies
[06:07] <Kilos> ai!
[06:07] <Kilos> you and your games
[06:07] <mazal> Have nothing else oom
[06:07] <thatgraemeguy> to be honest its hard to fault him on that.... trying to be a normal user of a PC without good internet access is hard enough, but for a power user / enthusiast..... that's just so rare it isn't worth the effort to try and support that scenario
[06:07] <mazal> Don't even have tv
[06:07] <Kilos> ai!
[06:08] <Kilos> told you get your 3g working and chat to us at night man
[06:08] <Kilos> forget gaming
[06:08] <Kilos> you missed lots last night
[06:08] <mazal> thatgraemeguy: Yeah I can understand that answer. The problem is SA and the dreadful customer service and lack of infrastructure here , not the developer's fault
[06:09] <thatgraemeguy> exactly
[06:09] <Kilos> hmm... cupasoup lekker in the cold
[06:09] <thatgraemeguy> also the lack of infrastructure is not as widespread even here
[06:09] <thatgraemeguy> not saying there isn't a lack in some places but because of vocal minority effect it seems worse than it really is
[06:09] <mazal> Oom it's very lonely at home , gaming is literaly all I have. No wife , no kids , no pets , no tv , no internet , no hot water , nothing !!!!
[06:10] <Kilos> eish no hot water even
[06:10] <TheMurdz> Ouch... 
[06:10] <thatgraemeguy> no attachments..... time to move somewhere better then :)
[06:10] <mazal> Kilos: No hot water for a week now yes
[06:10] <Kilos> ai!
[06:10] <mazal> Geaser broke , none in stock to replace
[06:11] <thatgraemeguy> where do you live exactly? :-o
[06:11] <mazal> Cullinan. Problem with the geyser thing is I live on goverment terrain. That will say it all
[06:12] <mazal> I hire a flat with them
[06:12] <mazal> So physical breakdowns on the flats gets repaired at goverment pace
[06:12] <thatgraemeguy> population 8,693
[06:12] <mazal> Nah is not really a very small town actually
[06:13] <thatgraemeguy> yeah man, you need to move. that place isn't on anyone's priority list sadly
[06:13] <mazal> Can't afford it on my salary
[06:13] <thatgraemeguy> not with THAT attitude! ;p
[06:14] <mazal> Cost of living is so high I simply can't afford it , it's a fact
[06:14] <mazal> Only thing is to try and find better work then
[06:15] <thatgraemeguy> go for it, apply all over, sounds like you have nothing to lose
[06:16] <mazal> White male over 40 in SA , with no qualifications , what's te chance
[06:16] <thatgraemeguy> I guess with that kind of attitude, then no chance
[06:17] <mazal> Me and Barry have a bussness idea though which is much better me thinks
[06:17] <mazal> But we need capital
[06:17] <mazal> Something here that everyone needs and is not here yet , Postnet
[06:25] <TheMurdz> omg... Ubuntu and Hyper-V don't like playing along today... tsk tsk 
[06:25] <TheMurdz> Well, every day really.
[06:28] <TheMurdz> Don't know if anyone knows about it, but it seems like ubuntu VMs hosted on HyperV hangs on shutdown with "Stopping System V runlevel compatibility", an end user gave me a fix a while back, I'll dig this up and share if anyone has the same problem :(
[06:31] <TheMurdz> >> apt-get install hv-kvp-daemon-init linux-tools-`uname -r` linux-cloud-tools-`uname -r`
[06:31] <TheMurdz> This was the fix, let's see how well it works.
[06:42] <Kilos> waiting
[06:44] <TheMurdz> End user taking their time...
[06:45] <Kilos> if it works save the fix , sooner or later someone will need it
[06:46] <Kilos> TheMurdz you know you can use apt on its own from 14.04
[06:47] <TheMurdz> I had no idea, just tried it now. NEAT!. Thanks Kilos.
[06:47] <Kilos> np
[06:47] <Kilos> we just heard about it a couple or few weeks ago
[06:50] <mazal> maaz cofee on
[06:50] <Maaz> mazal: What?
[06:50] <mazal> maaz coffee on
[06:50]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[06:50] <mazal> maaz large
[06:50] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you mazal
[06:50] <mazal> maaz larger
[06:50] <Maaz> Sorry mazal  No more than a beer mug full is allowed. Times are hard!
[06:51] <mazal> Shees I am freezing
[06:51] <Kilos> yip winter has shoved its ugly head in the door
[06:53] <TheMurdz> The fix was successful and fixed the problem! WOO Save'd 
[06:54] <Kilos> cool
[06:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for mazal!
[06:55] <mazal> maaz dankie man
[06:55] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[06:55] <mazal> hehehe cheeky bot
[07:02] <mazal> Oom Kilos , you still using psensor without issues ?
[07:02] <Kilos> not using it at all mazal 
[07:03] <Kilos> did i ever
[07:03] <mazal> Yes you told me about it
[07:03] <Kilos> nee man
[07:03] <mazal> is
[07:03] <Kilos> what does it do
[07:03] <mazal> monitor cpu temp
[07:03] <Kilos> oh my
[07:04] <Kilos> must have been on a desktop
[07:04] <Kilos> ive forgotten about it
[07:04] <Kilos> this lappy runs cool with an ssd in
[07:05] <mazal> Just going through my active stuff here to see what's running and saw it
[07:05] <Kilos> ah
[07:05] <Kilos> you still going slow there
[07:05] <mazal> Still looking for what could cause me issues
[07:05] <mazal> Yep
[07:06] <mazal> Thing is , once everything is up and running then it's fine. It's the boot , the log-in and opening file manager that has issues
[07:06] <mazal> And opening an app
[07:06] <mazal> Once the app is open though it works normal
[07:07] <mazal> Dies kinda sound like HDD doesn't it.
[07:07] <mazal> does*
[07:07] <Kilos> i dont know, they dont seem to slow down much here
[07:08] <Kilos> and i have some old ones
[07:08] <Kilos> is it sata or still ide
[07:08] <mazal> SATA
[07:08] <Kilos> size?
[07:08] <mazal> Well the old drives was much better. These new ones , I dunno. Lost 2x 2TB lately , both were not even 2 years old
[07:09] <Kilos> where are they now
[07:09] <Kilos> i need 2tb spares
[07:09] <mazal> This one is a 1TB , but 2 partitions
[07:09] <mazal> 250gig OS , the rest storage
[07:09] <mazal> I "helped" them out the door oom
[07:10] <Kilos> man i told you long ago i need old drives for spares
[07:10] <Kilos> i have a 2tb that needs a platter
[07:10] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel met my volk
[07:11] <Kilos> did you look at that link i gave you on speeding up kubuntu
[07:17] <mazal> How would I get it to you oom ?
[07:18] <mazal> Post office also had no service delivery
[07:18] <mazal> has*
[07:18] <Kilos> i can ask my son to stop there on his way past
[07:18] <mazal> Oh ok , does he live close here ?
[07:18] <Kilos> he travels all over sorting clients
[07:19] <mazal> Ok will remember that , will give a shout when the next one breaks , my storage one at home is close to breaking
[07:19] <mazal> And that's a 2tb
[07:19] <Kilos> he is in rustyenburg but travels to places like thabantsimbi at times
[07:19] <mazal> Also only about 3 years old and I can hear it "clanking". Not far from dead
[07:20] <Kilos> oh my
[07:20] <Kilos> thats bad
[07:20] <mazal> Yeah , the old smaller drives was much tougher
[07:21] <mazal> I have much much older 500gig drives that's still going without issue
[07:21] <Kilos> yeah
[07:21] <Kilos> now they making them even larger
[07:21] <mazal> BTW , what's the lifetime of the SSD's ? They will have only so many read/writes ?
[07:23] <Kilos> http://betanews.com/2014/12/05/modern-ssds-can-last-a-lifetime/
[07:23] <Kilos> hehe
[07:24] <Kilos> this one im using here was a discard from a windows pc
[07:24] <Kilos> works lekker
[07:26] <Sxuza> hey guys :)
[07:26] <Sxuza> 	http://myvoipwireless.co.za  <-- what do  u guys think of these people and their services , in comparison with the current services we have in the country for Wireless connections 
[07:26] <Kilos> hi Sxuza 
[07:27] <Sxuza> hey Kilos 
 i have a 2tb that needs a platter
[07:28] <thatgraemeguy> huh? you want to replace a single platter?
[07:28] <Kilos> or both , im not sure if both are bust
[07:28] <thatgraemeguy> you realise you cannot replace a platter?
[07:29] <Kilos> why?
[07:29] <TheMurdz> Heya Sxuza
[07:29] <thatgraemeguy> because the inside of a HDD is cleaner than most hospitals'
[07:29] <thatgraemeguy> ... operating theatres
[07:29] <thatgraemeguy> once you open it, game over, throw it away
[07:29] <Kilos> the cleanliness part i understand yes
[07:30] <Kilos> same as formula 1 engines 
[07:30] <Kilos> built it totally dust free areas
[07:30] <mazal> Interesting read that about the SSD lifespan. Some interesting comments as well
[07:30] <thatgraemeguy> ok so how did you hope to replace a platter then?
[07:31] <Kilos> in the bathroom after steam has settled
[07:31] <thatgraemeguy> mazal: we have offered SSD as an option for a good few years now, and I have never had to replace a dead one. On the other hand, there are at least 5-6 HDD failures a month
[07:32] <thatgraemeguy> lol
[07:32] <thatgraemeguy> Kilos: for real?
[07:32] <mazal> Good to know thanx thatgraemeguy
[07:32] <thatgraemeguy> you say you understand the cleanliness, but i don't think you have any idea, sorry :p
[07:32] <Kilos> the biggest prob i think will be getting all the spacers and top nut back in exactly the same place because of balancing holes
[07:33] <thatgraemeguy> you cannot replace a HDD platter. period. the tolerances those things are assembled with you cannot hope to get anywhere near, nevermind the cleanliness factor
[07:33] <Kilos> ive done a 500g and its been going 2 years now i think
[07:33] <thatgraemeguy> hah, ok then
[07:34] <Kilos> there are many sites that show you how to do it
[07:34] <Kilos> but now using the lappy with the ssd i hardly ever get to the desktop anymore
[07:37] <Kilos> one must never be afraid to try things
[07:38] <Kilos> thats how data recovery peeps work. when the mechanical stuff on a drive packs up they put those platters into a new one and charge you 6k
[07:54] <mazal> Ok here comes trouble , I finished my lunchbox and it's not even 10 yet :P
[07:54] <mazal> Maaz start making steak boet
[07:54] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[07:54] <Kilos> lol
[07:55] <mazal> And we already cheated twice this week
[07:55] <mazal> ( we only allowed take-aways on Fridays )
[07:55] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:59] <mazal> maaz google stop an app launching on startup kde
[07:59] <Maaz> mazal: "kde - How to control programs run at startup? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/487920/how-to-control-programs-run-at-startup :: "kubuntu - KDE opens recent session applications - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/118591/kde-opens-recent-session-applications :: "boot - How do I add/modify/remove startup programs in KDE ..."
[07:59] <Maaz> http://superuser.com/questions/158765/how-do-i-add-modify-remove-startup-programs-in-kde :: "System Se…
[08:08] <mazal> Hmm I wound up in the service manager. Wonder if it's save to disabled running stuff I don't need like bluetooth and touchpad
[08:09] <Kilos> you can set touchpad to disable when usb mouse is used
[08:09] <Kilos> and my bluetooth thing is disabled
[08:12] <chesedo> morning Kilos mazal thatgraemeguy inetpro Sxuza and all others
[08:13] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[08:13] <chesedo> and hi TheMurdz... welcome
[08:13] <thatgraemeguy> morning chesedo 
[08:13]  * chesedo 's intro is only that he is a student based in Pretoria North
[08:14] <mazal> Hi chesedo
[08:14] <chesedo> see Kilos ^^ not all too shy
[08:14] <Kilos> lol
[08:14] <mazal> oom Kilos !!! I think I fixed my notifier bug that been plaguing me so long :)
[08:14] <Kilos> well done
[08:14] <Kilos> oh tell me how
[08:15] <chesedo> Maaz: ubuntu shutdown on Hyper-V fix is <reply> apt-get install hv-kvp-daemon-init linux-tools-`uname -r` linux-cloud-tools-`uname -r`
[08:15] <Kilos> my knotify often crashes
[08:15] <Maaz> chesedo: If you say so
[08:15] <mazal> In those services was a muon-application notifier. For some reason it was disabled. Enabled it and few minutes later Notifier pops up on the task bar that there is updates
[08:15] <TheMurdz> Morning Chesedo!
[08:15] <TheMurdz> And thanks!
[08:16] <Kilos> chesedo ty i forgot the bot
[08:16] <mazal> Now I get it fixed few fix before re-install :P
[08:16] <mazal> few days*
[08:16] <thatgraemeguy> wait, we can teach maaz new stuff?
[08:16]  * thatgraemeguy grins
[08:16] <Kilos> thatgraemeguy you also in CT hey?
[08:17]  * thatgraemeguy looks out the window
[08:17] <thatgraemeguy> yup
[08:17] <Kilos> ok watch
[08:17] <TheMurdz> loll
[08:17] <mazal> Now how am I gonna remember that
[08:17] <Kilos> Maaz thatgraemeguy is <reply> Capetown
[08:17] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[08:17] <Kilos> we are recording who is where
[08:18] <Kilos> Maaz TheMurdz is <reply> Johannesburg
[08:18] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[08:18] <chesedo> TheMurdz: out of interest, does AfriHost allow ssh on their shared hosting?
[08:19] <TheMurdz> Yes, Afrihost does, just jailed. (cPanel Jailed shell)
[08:19] <thatgraemeguy> Maaz: where is TheMurdz 
[08:19] <Maaz> Johannesburg
[08:19] <TheMurdz> JHB
[08:19] <thatgraemeguy> well look at that
[08:19] <chesedo> TheMurdz: great to hear ty
[08:19] <TheMurdz> :)
[08:20]  * chesedo now has a bit more faith in SA hosts
[08:21] <mazal> maaz where is Kilos
[08:21] <Maaz> Just west of Pretoria
[08:21] <mazal> Hmm , nice
[08:21] <Kilos> mazal add your info
[08:21] <chesedo> oh also accidentally discovered vim's short command history in visual form - using `q:'
[08:21] <mazal> maaz mazal is <reply> gat gat
[08:21] <Maaz> mazal: I'll remember that
[08:21] <Kilos> nee man
[08:21] <mazal> is
[08:21] <Kilos> Maaz forget mazal
[08:21] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[08:22] <Kilos> Maaz mazal is <reply> Cullinan
[08:22] <Maaz> Kilos: I'll remember that
[08:22] <mazal> maaz mazal is <reply> Zonderwater, Cullinan
[08:22] <Maaz> mazal: I already know stuff about mazal
[08:22] <Kilos> lol
[08:22] <mazal> maaz forget mazal
[08:22] <Maaz> mazal: Sure
[08:22] <mazal> maaz mazal is <reply> Zonderwater, Cullinan
[08:22] <Maaz> mazal: If you say so
[08:22] <Kilos> Maaz mazal
[08:22] <Maaz> Zonderwater, Cullinan
[08:22] <mazal> Daarsy
[08:22] <Kilos> good
[08:22] <Kilos> los nou uit
[08:23] <mazal> I am so chuffed I found that month long problem , ai
[08:23] <mazal> And that while looking for something else :P
[08:23] <Kilos> always
[08:23] <mazal> Question now is , why couldn't any google answer I could get my hands on point me to that
[08:36] <mazal> Ai still can't find where psensor startup is
[08:37] <mazal> It's not in services , it's not in autostart , it's not in ~./kde4/autostart
[08:38] <mazal> Anywhere else I can look ?
[08:39] <Kilos> konsole
[08:39] <Kilos> i think you start and stop it there
[08:40] <mazal> I want to disable it not to autostart at all
[08:40] <Kilos> thet remove it
[08:40] <Kilos> then
[08:40] <Kilos> aptitude remove psensor
[08:41] <mazal> Also don't wan to do that , want to use it only when I need it
[08:41] <Kilos> lol
[08:41] <mazal> In the app settings itself there isn't a autostart setting either
[08:41] <Kilos> do you have heating probs
[08:41] <mazal> Nope
[08:41] <mazal> Maybe I must just remove it
[08:42] <Kilos> then why worry about psensor
[08:42] <chesedo> mazal: try http://askubuntu.com/questions/487920/how-to-control-programs-run-at-startup
[08:43] <mazal> chesedo: I already been to that same link. It's not in any of those folders mentioned
[08:44] <mazal> I wonder of a search for psensor.desktop would yield something
[08:44] <mazal> In one of the links I read autostart files are sometimes .desktop files
[08:44] <Kilos> look in home
[08:44] <Kilos> and unhide them
[08:45] <mazal> Already checked home's autostart , isn't there
[08:45] <Kilos> then just remove it
[08:45] <mazal> I think so
[08:59] <chesedo> mazal: yes, its desktop file has this line `X-GNOME-Autostart-Delay=30`
[09:01] <chesedo> but still not a startup "command"
[09:08] <mazal> I think that was the last of the unneccesary running stuff. Will see how it goes now
[09:16] <Xsm> good day everyone
[09:22] <mazal> Lo Xsm
[09:24] <Kilos> hi bushtech 
[09:25] <mazal> Shees the incompetance in this country is shocking. Even though I have had no service for almost 6 weeks now and still have no service , I just now got my Telkom account , full charge , not a single days credit.
[09:25]  * mazal shakes head
[09:27] <Kilos> complain to the CEO man
[09:27] <Xsm> heya mazal
[09:28] <bushtech> morning Kilos
[09:29] <chesedo> hi Xsm
[09:30] <Xsm> heya chesedo
[09:30] <Xsm> heya bushtech
[09:32] <bushtech> hi Xsm
[09:44] <mazal> Kilos: How do I send a tweet to Telkom , I setup twitter for myself now
[09:46] <mazal> One can only write like 2 lines ? That won't do
[09:52] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:52] <Kilos> Maaz google telkoza on twitter
[09:52] <Maaz> Kilos: "Koza Kebap Menu, Menu for Koza Kebap, Ümraniye Merkez ..." https://www.zomato.com/istanbul/koza-kebap-%C3%BCmraniye-merkez-istanbul/menu :: "Koza Kebap, Ümraniye Merkez, İstanbul - Zomato Turkey" https://www.zomato.com/istanbul/koza-kebap-%C3%BCmraniye-merkez-istanbul
[09:52] <Kilos> ai!
[09:52] <Kilos> Maaz google telkomza on twitter
[09:52] <Maaz> Kilos: "Telkom (@TelkomZA) | Twitter" https://twitter.com/telkomza?lang=en :: "Nate Maingard on Twitter: "Ok @HelloTelkom @TelkomZA you sent ..." https://twitter.com/NateMaingard/status/715895603327332352 :: "Bravado Gaming on Twitter: "Our album from tonight's ..." https://twitter.com/bravadogaming/status/690303937065410560 :: "TelkomZA - MyBroadband"
[09:52] <Maaz> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/544781-TelkomZA :: "Telkom - Facebook" https://www.faceboo…
[09:53] <mazal> Kilos I found it , but twitter is to restricted , can hardly write anything
[09:53] <Kilos> you cant write books no
[09:53] <Kilos> short and sweet
[09:54] <mazal> I spam their FB page and Hello Peter again now
[09:54] <TheMurdz> Good morning / afternoon Xsm :)
[09:54] <Kilos> TheMurdz Xsm is my son
[09:54] <mazal> It's ridiculous how bad it is
[09:55] <TheMurdz> Woah, that's neat haha. 
[09:56] <mazal> Nice :) Didn't even know that
[09:57] <mazal> Kilos: What's the CEO's mail adress ?
[09:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:58] <Kilos> lemme hunt
[09:58] <mazal> I am beyond de m@er in now
[09:59] <Kilos> Maaz google telkom CEO email address
[09:59] <Maaz> Kilos: "Management Team - Telkom" https://www.telkom.co.za/sites/aboutus/companyinfo/companymanagement/managementteam/ :: "Telkom SA (Ltd) | South African Government" http://www.gov.za/about-government/contact-directory/organisation/672/26 :: "••• Solving a Telkom Problem- Hellkom.co.za" http://www.hellkom.co.za/pages/resolving-a-telkom-dispute.php :: "TELKOM
[09:59] <Maaz> SA SOC LTD | Who's Who SA" http://whoswho.co.za/TELKOM-SA-SOC-LTD :: "Sipho Maseko the n…
[10:00] <Kilos> Maaz google sipho maseko email address
[10:00] <Maaz> Kilos: "Telkom SA (Ltd) | South African Government" http://www.gov.za/about-government/contact-directory/organisation/672/26 :: "Sipho changed his email address its... - People against Telkom poor ..." https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1602669349965361&id=1580149488884014 :: "Sipho Maseko | Who's Who SA" http://whoswho.co.za/sipho-maseko-398920 ::
[10:00] <Maaz> "Management Team - Telkom" https://www.telkom.co.za/sites/aboutus/companyinfo/companymanag…
[10:00] <Kilos> in een van daai lienks sal jy dit kry
[10:01] <Kilos> kap hom even op facebook
[10:01] <mazal> telkom.co.za doesn't even work
[10:01] <Kilos> http://whoswho.co.za/TELKOM-SA-SOC-LTD
[10:02] <mazal> Typical , no contact details. Hiding in their smart offices with their big salaries
[10:02] <Kilos> maar wees um
[10:02] <Kilos> er
[10:02] <Kilos> something skik
[10:03] <Kilos> nie onbeskof nie
[10:03] <Kilos> somewhere i got it
[10:03] <Kilos> maybe on lappy other drive
[10:03] <mazal> They don't even have email adresses in their contacts at their main page
[10:04] <Kilos> daai twitter link werk gewwonlik
[10:04] <Kilos> hulle sal jou private chat
[10:06] <mazal> Posted in a "ask a question" thing now
[10:06] <Kilos> keep looking, somewhere you will find his office email addy
[10:12] <Kilos> sjoe he isnt easy to mail
[10:13] <Kilos> Maaz google sipho masko on twitter
[10:13] <Maaz> Kilos: "Telkom reveals big turnaround plan - BusinessTech" http://businesstech.co.za/news/telecommunications/57331/telkom-reveals-big-turnaround-plan/ :: "Paiste: Artists-> Search Artists" http://www.paiste.com/e/artistslist.php?famid=2&menuid=31&famname=Signature+Dark+Energy :: "Did commission err on Telkom, MTN deal? | TechCentral" http://www.techcentral.co.za
[10:13] <Maaz> /did-commission-err-on-telkom-mtn/59173/
[10:13] <Kilos> ai!
[10:32] <Kilos> mazal you find it?
[10:32] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[10:34] <superfly> hi
[10:34] <superfly> lunch time
[11:24] <inetpro> superfly: lunchtime is over, start working for a change
[11:26] <Kilos> lol
[11:35] <mazal> Kilos nope
[11:35] <Kilos> ai!
[11:37] <mazal> Wednesday I am going to PTA , if the mobile is not done by then I tear up that application also
[11:37] <mazal> Then I will look to Afrihost or such for service
[11:37] <mazal> If I have to struggle with bad signal then so be it
[11:38] <mazal> Will have to take everything off my network and do just basic stuffs like mail and browsing. But there is no way left
[11:39] <Kilos> they must have routers at the telkom shops man
[11:40] <mazal> Well they have 6 days left
[11:40] <Kilos> call a couple of different telkom shops
[11:40] <mazal> Then I tear it up in thier face and have a good mind to set fire to it in the shop as well
[11:41] <Kilos> maybe the one you went to didnt like your hair style
[11:41] <mazal> I don't have a hair style :P
[11:41] <Kilos> dont be hardegat
[11:41] <Kilos> be diplomatic
[11:41] <mazal> After 6 weeks of patience I have the right to be hardegat
[11:41] <Kilos> Maaz diplomat
[11:41] <Maaz> A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip
[11:41] <mazal> It's because we are not hardegat that nobody gives service
[11:42] <Kilos> nope
[11:42] <Kilos> you trek hardegat they get you back in other ways
[11:42] <mazal> And as far as the wrong billing goes , gonna take them to court if they don't sort it
[11:42] <Kilos> like make you wait
[11:42] <mazal> They want a fight , they gonna get one. 
[11:43] <Kilos> lol
[11:43] <Kilos> you too small man
[11:43] <mazal> They don't know this bewaarder when he is pissed off
[11:44] <mazal> It's becuase nobody do anything that they just get away with murder
[11:44] <Kilos> too late
[11:46] <Kilos> ai! board meeting at 10pm tonight
[11:46] <Kilos> sigh
[11:46] <Kilos> inetpro i need to retire now
[11:51] <mazal> Who here is the afrihost man ?
[11:51] <Kilos> they use mtn towers
[11:51] <Kilos> TheMurdz 
[11:52] <TheMurdz> Heya!
[11:52] <dlPhreak> Greetings
[11:52] <TheMurdz> Sorry, was AFK
[11:52] <Kilos> np
[11:52] <Kilos> mazal praat man
[11:52] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak 
[11:52] <mazal> TheMurdz: I am looking for info that I can't find on your site
[11:52] <dlPhreak> Kilos hi
[11:53] <mazal> Do you know , the mobile data , does it have double midnight data also , or is it just anytime data ?
[11:54] <TheMurdz> Sorry, just reading up
[11:54] <TheMurdz> @Mazal, The mobile data as far as I know is straight up, so if you have a 3GB package, it's just 3GB, nothing special like the DSL Packages
[11:54] <mazal> K thanx
[11:54] <TheMurdz> Cool
[11:55] <mazal> I see you guys also don't have routers
[11:55] <mazal> The B series specifically
[11:55] <Kilos> mazal dont fight him he isnt the sales rep
[11:55] <TheMurdz> Well, just the Netgear DGN2200 here https://www.afrihost.com/site/hardware/modems_wifi/#?src=website_nav
[11:55] <Kilos> lol
[11:55] <TheMurdz> loll
[11:56] <mazal> Kilos: I aint fighting , I am asking info
[11:56] <Kilos> im teasing man
[11:56] <Kilos> haha
[11:57] <TheMurdz> hehe
[11:57] <mazal> TheMurdz: But that one is for ADSL only ? Or am I missing something
[11:57] <Kilos> you van der merwes when you get cross with one okey fight with eaveryone around you for 3 days
[11:58] <TheMurdz> Yes, it's only ADSL ready, We don't have anything else on the site but Mobile units. I know we may carry Zyxel somewhere. We just don't show it on the site.
[11:58] <mazal> Ish
[11:58] <TheMurdz> But that's about as much as , I last heard, that we had available.
[11:59] <mazal> Kilos: I ain't fighting man
[11:59] <Kilos> rofl
[11:59] <Kilos> see
[12:00] <mazal> Kilos: So looks like that routers are really out of stock nowehere to be found
[12:00] <mazal> And the wi-fi ones I can't use , must have ethernet
[12:00] <Kilos> why must it be that one
[12:00] <mazal> See above
[12:00] <mazal> Ethernet
[12:00] <Kilos> lemme see this one of ians
[12:01] <mazal> The B series is the only ones I could see that have 4 ethernet ports , that is my need
[12:01] <Kilos> 4 eth and wifi
[12:02] <Kilos> d-link 2750-U
[12:02] <mazal> Is that a mobile router though ?
[12:02] <Kilos> well
[12:02] <mazal> That takes mobile sim card I mean
[12:02] <Kilos> it hasnt got wheels on
[12:02] <TheMurdz_> Sorry, DC'd  
[12:02] <mazal> Nee man
[12:03] <TheMurdz_> Thunderbolt screens...
[12:03] <Kilos> yes i run it with my dlink usb dongle
[12:03] <mazal> So no , it can't take a sim
[12:03] <mazal> But can take a 3g dongle
[12:03] <Kilos> no you plug in your bongle
[12:03] <Kilos> dongle
[12:04] <mazal> That I don't have
[12:04] <Kilos> you do
[12:04] <mazal> Mine is vodacom dongle
[12:04] <Kilos> so what
[12:04] <mazal> Prob won't work with MTN sim
[12:04] <Kilos> you make it work
[12:05] <Kilos> you forget i started with a suadi arabian modem here
[12:05] <Kilos> you unlock them then use any sim
[12:05] <mazal> Afrihost is MTN mos , so that sim won't work with the Vodacom dongle ten to 1
[12:06] <mazal> I wonder of d-link has sim models ?
[12:06] <Kilos> you got to gsm unlock and give them the imei number and they give you the unlock code
[12:07] <Kilos> j inetpro has one
[12:07] <Kilos> or not
[12:07] <Kilos> i forget now
[12:08] <mazal> If I could get one of those somewhere , then I can just get the sim and data from Afrihost. Am I correct TheMurdz_ ?
[12:09] <Kilos> you dont get mtn signal
[12:09] <TheMurdz_> Yea, pretty much. 
[12:09] <mazal> Kilos: Terrible signal yes
[12:09] <Kilos> what sim is in your cell fone
[12:09] <mazal> But what else is left , no options left to do. Like I said I must then just stick to basics
[12:09] <mazal> Kilos: Vodacom
[12:10] <Kilos> is the signal better than mtn
[12:10] <mazal> I actually don't know
[12:10] <Kilos> lol
[12:10] <mazal> Haven't used an MTN in my new flat
[12:10] <mazal> Might be better
[12:11] <mazal> At the office is bad
[12:11] <Kilos> check in flat then decide
[12:11] <mazal> Where I was all was near unusable , but maybe in this new one is better
[12:11] <mazal> And it's about 2km difference from where I was , so I dunno
[12:12] <mazal> Vodacom is just 1 bar signal
[12:12] <mazal> Can't be worse than that
[12:12] <Kilos> check  before you think about going further with your plans
[12:12] <Kilos> eish
[12:12] <mazal> Yeah , not an option for internet at all
[12:13] <Kilos> is there no one with a telkom mobile sim
[12:13] <Kilos> try them all then use the best one
[12:13] <mazal> Yeah that is already tested , like I said that one runs about 4mb speed
[12:14] <mazal> That's one of the reasons I applied for that one
[12:14] <mazal> Used Barry's router to test it
[12:15] <Kilos> what router has he got
[12:15] <mazal> Gonna ask around which of my tjommies have MTN. But as far as I remember they all Vodacom
[12:15] <mazal> B series
[12:15] <TheMurdz_> Meh, I have MTN as well.
[12:15] <mazal> 592 or 593 , something like that
[12:15] <TheMurdz_> (for reasons)
[12:15] <Kilos> lol
[12:16] <Kilos> telkom mobile rocks
[12:16] <mazal> Gonna pu add on my door " anybody with a mtn smartphone or tablet can you come drink coffee at my place please "
[12:16] <Kilos> lol
[12:17] <mazal> " and if you blonde you can have dinner as well "
[12:17] <Kilos> hahaha and bearded
[12:17] <mazal> Shees I can't think of a single one , barry was with them but left
[12:17] <Kilos> are there blonde chicks there
[12:18] <mazal> Yes
[12:18] <Kilos> wow
[12:18] <mazal> Lots actually
[12:18] <Kilos> doing what
[12:18] <Kilos> locked up ones?
[12:18] <mazal> But not at work , at work there are like 3 or 4
[12:19] <mazal> 2 is psycologists
[12:19] <Kilos> fis their pcs man
[12:19] <Kilos> why you so slow
[12:19] <Kilos> fiz
[12:19] <Kilos> fix
[12:19] <mazal> They never complain or brake anything
[12:19] <Kilos> lol
[12:19] <mazal> Very annoying
[12:19] <mazal> But I'm scared of both anyway
[12:19] <Kilos> lol
[12:20] <mazal> They too pretty
[12:20]  * mazal scared of pretty girls
[12:21] <Kilos> i need to nap if im gonna make the late night meeting
[12:21] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[12:21] <Maaz> oh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon!
[12:22] <Kilos> Maaz botsnack
[12:22] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[12:22] <mazal> gtg , have a nice evening everyone
[13:00] <TheMurdz_> Goodbye gents! It was nice to be here. You'll see me here more often :D
[13:18] <inetpro> hmm.... another who leaves early?
[13:19] <inetpro> Kilos: must be mazal's big buddy 
[13:42] <Kilos> lol
[13:42] <Kilos> he starts early inetpro 
[13:43] <inetpro> and he leaves early Kilos
[13:43] <Kilos> was here at 6.30 this morning
[13:43] <inetpro> so!?
[13:44] <Kilos> maybe we got too quet for him
[13:44] <Kilos> quiet
[13:44] <Kilos> i slept a while
[13:45] <Kilos> stupid head day again
[13:45] <Kilos> what you going?
[13:48] <Kilos> karl is working on the site i see
[13:49] <Kilos> oh just looking
[13:49] <Kilos> inetpro does he prefer mattermost to irc
[13:50] <Kilos> he gets to use @
[13:50] <Kilos> haha
[15:14] <Kilos> Maaz ask bushtech what do you do in a nature reserve
[15:14] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll ask bushtech on freenode
[15:36] <Kilos> bushtech 
[15:36] <Kilos> i think ive asked before
[15:37] <bushtech> kilos: i live here
[15:38] <Kilos> oh you dont work there
[15:38] <Kilos> like check fishing licences etv
[15:38] <Kilos> ai!
[15:39] <Kilos> he been poached
[16:54] <pavlushka> Hi dears!
[17:08] <pavlushka> o/ all!
[17:08] <pavlushka> and Kilos, you ok?
[17:16] <Kilos> hi pavlushka yes ty
[17:17] <pavlushka> Hello, it felt great that you replied!
[17:17] <pavlushka> because you always do.
[17:17] <Kilos> lol i was eating
[17:18] <pavlushka> you know what, I was guessing that.
[17:18] <Kilos> ill be quiet tomorrow, late meeting tonight
[17:19] <pavlushka> ok, its my turn, now I gonna eat.
[17:19] <Kilos> hey you havent got more peeps to join your channel yet
[17:19] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:19] <pavlushka> yep, that will make me quite too.
[17:19] <Kilos> you eat at 11pm?
[17:19] <pavlushka> atleat for today.
[17:20] <Kilos> you will end up round like a ball
[17:20] <pavlushka> I wanted to and the online thing is not that easy here even now
[17:21] <Kilos> where is that other friend of yours
[17:21] <Kilos> gone back to windows?
[17:21] <pavlushka> peeps go easily online by their phone but the PC thing is yet to be generalized.
[17:22] <pavlushka> no , he is busy in exam, didn't find the time to fix his pc.
[17:22] <Kilos> ok
[17:23] <pavlushka> ok, I go eat, see ya.
[17:23] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:06] <inetpro> wat voer jy hom die tyd van die aand Kilos?
[18:06] <inetpro>  
[18:06] <inetpro> good evening
[18:09] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:09] <Kilos> wie
[18:12] <inetpro> die ou van bang lad esh
[18:12] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: watse vergadering was/is jy nou by?
[18:14] <Kilos> the cc checking all the councils and boards to see if there are any probs
[18:15] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[18:15] <Kilos> done though
[18:15] <inetpro> Kilos: so you have more meetings than usual?
[18:16] <Kilos> next 1 hour 45 is yours
[18:16] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:17] <Kilos> yeah the odd one here and there and having to join ML,s to get into their world and motivate them
[18:17] <Kilos> thats why i said when can i retire
[18:31] <inetpro> no time for you to retire oom Kilos
[18:31] <Kilos> sigh
[18:32]  * inetpro is the only one who's allowed to retire early today
[18:32] <Kilos> ai!
[18:32] <Kilos> whyyyyyy
[18:32] <inetpro> ek's moeg man
[18:32] <Kilos> ok
[18:32] <Kilos> i understand
[18:33] <Kilos> at least chesedo is quite active here so that helps lots
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: is jy en kmf wat my moeg maak
[18:34] <Kilos> ek?
[18:34] <Kilos> wat doen ek?
[18:34] <inetpro> alles jou skuld
[18:34] <Kilos> nee nee
[18:35] <Kilos> julle het my in die diep kant ingegooi 
[18:35] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[18:35] <inetpro> ok
[18:43] <Wolfeyes> hey inetpro
[18:44] <inetpro> good evenin Wolfeyes
[18:45] <inetpro> oh and sorry Kilos I was only joking with you
[18:45] <Kilos> when
[18:45] <inetpro> as ek sê, alles jou skuld
[18:45] <inetpro> en jy maak my moeg
[18:45] <Kilos> o dit weet ek
[18:46] <inetpro> haha :-)
[18:46] <Kilos> ek het jou in die begin moeg gemaak
[18:46] <Kilos> ek was baie dom
[18:46] <inetpro> nee man
[18:46] <Kilos> jaja jou geduld was fantasties en ek is baie dankbaar
[18:50] <inetpro> today I go sleep earlier
[18:50] <Wolfeyes> night inetpro lol
[18:51] <Kilos> tough getting old hey
[18:51] <Wolfeyes> in ten minutes I will go too
[18:51] <inetpro> night Wolfeyes
[18:51] <MaNI> http://www.mini-box.com/M4-ATX < anyone know any local places that sell these things?
[18:52] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man, was net te laat op in die laaste paar dae
[18:52] <inetpro> good night everyone
[18:52] <Kilos> night inetpro sleep lekker
[18:55] <Wolfeyes> MaNI: not sure if you just want the board but matrix was selling a car power supply for laptops
[18:58] <Kilos> how much Wolfeyes 
[18:59] <Kilos> oh cigarette lighter plugin
[18:59] <Wolfeyes> Yeah
[19:00] <Wolfeyes> they were about 389 
[19:00] <Kilos> i need one of those all plugs to usa plug adapters
[19:00] <Kilos> eish
[19:00] <MaNI> nah, I want an atx power supply, for a laptop its just a simple 12v->19v step up which is much simpler :p
[19:03] <superfly> MaNI: you could try RS Components
[19:04] <superfly> But they do more component level stuff 
[19:04] <superfly> I got my RPi through them back in the day 
[19:04] <MaNI> nothing there sadly
[19:04]  * Wolfeyes pricks my ears
[19:17] <Kilos> whew another 45 mins
[19:17] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy standby?
[19:20] <chesedo> MaNI: you can try Electronics123 if you are in pretoria
[19:21] <chesedo> Kilos: me active... where, am only doing meetings
[19:21] <Kilos> what about communica
[19:21] <chesedo> you the one that is active
[19:21] <Kilos> no man you help out 
[19:21] <Kilos> dont argue
[19:21] <chesedo> lol
[19:22] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[19:22] <Cryterion> hi everyone
[19:22] <Wolfeyes> heya Cryterion
[19:22]  * chesedo hides... had a bad dream last night about Cryterion
[19:22] <Cryterion> MaNI - Have you tried ACDC
[19:22] <Kilos> lol
[19:22]  * Cryterion wonders about the dream
[19:23] <Wolfeyes> night all
[19:23] <Cryterion> night Wolfeyes
[19:23] <Kilos> night  boy sleep tight
[19:23] <Wolfeyes> ty ty
[19:24] <chesedo> ...was a fanatic shark supporter in it
[19:24] <Cryterion> lol
[19:25]  * chesedo still has the chills... or is it cold in prt
[19:25] <Cryterion> Cold everywhere atm I think
[19:26] <Kilos> warmer now
[19:26] <Kilos> morning was freezing
[19:27] <Cryterion> will be cold again tomorrow morning
[19:28] <Kilos> yeah
[19:28] <Kilos> weather liar also says so
[19:28] <Kilos> 10°c
[19:31] <Cryterion> MaNI - ACDC has an adjustable DC-DC converter 10.5-16V Input / 12-24V Adj Ouput List price is R1008 though, part# MSD100-12/24
[19:34] <MaNI> yeah, I'm specifically looking for ATX though, which means it provides a whole bunch of voltages not just one
[19:35] <MaNI> I'm probably going to have to import, was just being hopeful :p
[19:36] <Cryterion> hmm, would it not just be easier to use an Inverter, convert 12V to a mod sine 220VAC, then feed that directly into a normal atx psu
[19:37] <Cryterion> that'll be exactly what a normal std ups does
[19:38]  * chesedo is goes off for the night o/
[19:38] <MaNI> well easier is relative. Would it be easier to buy in south africa, probably. Would it be easier to set up, no actually m ore wiring, but thats insignificant anyway. Would it would be pricier, nosier and less efficient, yes.
[19:40] <Kilos> night chesedo 
[19:47] <Cryterion> compare costs, shouldn't be much more wiring, extra unit I do agree with an extra plug to worry about, but that should be straight forward. Cost will depend, what does an atx psu cost now R500 if that, depends on wattage, 350W std, fed with a 650VA inverter at R1000. It depends on what a 12VDC input ATX Psu costs
[19:50] <Cryterion> Noise is already filtered out by std ATX psu, the inverters even though modified sine, aren't generally noisy, not 100% sure what it'll do in running vehicle though. If you went true sine, the output caps would filter any vehicle noise out
[19:52] <Cryterion> True sine inverters are generally more expensive, due to fact they have the high capacity stabilising capacitors on the output stage, to make the digitised signal an actual sine wave
[19:53] <MaNI> I mean audible noise not electrical noise
[19:54] <Cryterion> Otherwise you could always just modify an atx psu to bypass the step-down stage. Your highest voltage available is 12VDC anyway, you have 13.8-15V in a vehicle
[19:55] <MaNI> anyway I'm pretty sure what I want, I have one already, I was just hoping not to have to import the second time around
[19:55] <Cryterion> what make and model is it, I'll ask around
[19:58] <MaNI> mini-box m4-atx, but yeah its pretty niche/specialised stuff - there used to be some mini-box stuff available locally before pi and arduino became the rage
[20:30] <pavlushka> night guys~!
[20:34] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:13] <magespawn> good evening night owls