[01:17] <HoloIRCUser3> Stuck accessing this on phone, alas; have Lubuntu 15.10 install that has no 'net access and software center doesn't work, managed to manually install vlc and all dependencies but still can't play videos correctly
[01:17] <DoranPhone> Audio works but video is blank
[01:20] <DoranPhone> Only other comps I have to work with here are sluggish windows ones - can use pkgs.org to find specific deb files but can't figure out what I need to get - looked up the same video in vlc on one of the other comps and it said mpeg4 (dx50) for video codec
[01:34] <DoranPhone> Heh, *finally* figured it out - had tried a million searches with no luck but at last stumbled across a forum thread discussing setting the video output to sthg else; hadn't even considered I'd need to do that - now it works great :D
[06:06] <liquidsnake> anyone here
[06:10] <hateball> !help | liquidsnake
[06:10] <liquidsnake> what chat client does lubuntu use?
[06:11] <hateball> liquidsnake: Do you mean for IM networks? Any you like really
[06:12] <liquidsnake> what about for irc?
[06:13] <liquidsnake> is there access to the ubuntu software center?
[06:13] <liquidsnake> i'm thinking of switchingwhich is why i'm asking
[06:15] <liquidsnake> i had trouble accessing my phone's mobile hotspot with lubuntu for some reason too. With Mint and Manjaro it picks it up automatically
[06:18] <liquidsnake> hateball you there?
[06:19] <hateball> liquidsnake: I am
[06:19] <hateball> liquidsnake: And yes, you could run software center if you like
[06:19] <liquidsnake> cool
[06:19] <hateball> Or just straight up use apt-get
[06:19] <liquidsnake> ok
[06:19] <hateball> For IRC I think the prefered GUI client is Hexchat these days, unless you run KDE Plasma
[06:19] <hateball> !info hexchat
[06:20] <hateball> So you'd install it by "sudo apt-get install hexchat"
[06:20] <liquidsnake> righton ty
[06:20] <hateball> liquidsnake: I am not sure about what options there are for IM clients, I don't use any myself
[06:20] <hateball> The general rule is you can run any you like, regardless of DE
[06:20] <hateball> It might look out of place at worst
[06:21] <liquidsnake> ok
[06:21] <hateball> liquidsnake: And you know you dont have to reinstall to test different DE's, right?
[06:21] <liquidsnake> any idea as to why i can't see my phone's mobile hotspot on lubuntu?
[06:21] <liquidsnake> yes i am aware
[06:22] <liquidsnake> i could run it in vm
[06:22] <hateball> liquidsnake: Can you see other networks?
[06:22] <liquidsnake> nope
[06:22] <hateball> liquidsnake: I mean, if you have installed vanilla Ubuntu, you can install the Lubuntu packages by "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop" and then you can pick session during login
[06:22] <liquidsnake> ok
[06:23] <hateball> liquidsnake: Are you on a live-cd/usb?
[06:23] <liquidsnake> yeah
[06:23] <liquidsnake> maybe i need to run it in vm instead?
[06:23] <hateball> If you can't see any wifi networks there's probably an issue with wifi drivers
[06:23] <liquidsnake> oh ok
[06:23] <hateball> If you run in a VM your guest will use the hosts networking
[06:24] <liquidsnake> well its weird cuz under Mint and manjaro i can see my phone's mobile hotspot
[06:24] <hateball> liquidsnake: Some wifi chipsets arent allowed to have the drivers installed from the start for license reasons
[06:24] <hateball> !drivers
[06:24] <hateball> hmmm
[06:25] <liquidsnake> ahhh ok
[06:25] <liquidsnake> well ty for all your help much appreciated:)
[06:25] <hateball> liquidsnake: But you can enable "restricted" drivers post-install easily
[06:26] <liquidsnake> okie dokie
[15:29] <calimlubb> hi guys
[15:29] <DOCtriN> hi
[15:29] <calimlubb> liferea doesn't work, can anyone help me? thanks
[15:29] <DOCtriN> what's wrong? any error message?
[15:30] <calimlubb> yes DOCtriN
[15:30] <calimlubb> ** (liferea:5694): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
[15:31] <DOCtriN> what version?
[15:31] <calimlubb> how can i see it?
[15:31] <calimlubb> i've used apt-get install in lubu 15.10
[15:32] <DOCtriN> liferea -v
[15:32] <calimlubb> Liferea 1.10.12
[15:32] <DOCtriN> I also have similar error message (in my case liferea:3136) but Liferea still work.
[15:33] <DOCtriN> what happened after your run liferea? nothing opened?
[15:33] <calimlubb> yes DOCtriN , nothing
[15:34] <DOCtriN> have you re-install Liferea?
[15:35] <calimlubb> yes DOCtriN , i've also deleted directory in .config .share, nothing
[15:37] <calimlubb> any idea?
[15:38] <DOCtriN> check your /tmp/ any liferea file?
[15:38] <calimlubb> now i see
[15:38] <calimlubb> no
[15:38] <DOCtriN> if you found it, remove it and try to run liferea again
[15:38] <original> hello just installed lxle
[15:39] <original> when i try to intall new language
[15:39] <original> download package failed
[15:39] <DOCtriN> calimlubb what happened if you run liferea again in terminal?
[15:39] <original> any ideas
[15:39] <calimlubb> always the same answer in the terminal
[15:40] <DOCtriN> calimlubb, have you checked the task manager, any liferea there?
[15:40] <krytarik> original: LXLE is another distro, and not supported here - regardless of what they point you to.
[15:40] <calimlubb> yes DOCtriN
[15:41] <original> ok
[15:41] <original> it seems like a connection problem
[15:44] <DOCtriN> calimlubb, try these one, liferea -w shown
[15:45] <calimlubb> now starts
[15:46] <calimlubb> so i must do it always?
[15:48] <DOCtriN> I'm not sure, but it's look like you need to uncheck the "show icon in system tray"
[15:49] <calimlubb> where's this option?
[15:49] <DOCtriN> you can find it in Preferences > GUI
[15:50] <DOCtriN> Tool > Preferences > GUI
[15:51] <calimlubb> where is gui?
[15:51] <DOCtriN> beside Browser tab
[15:52] <DOCtriN> I think the "Show icon in system tray" is no longer available in your version.
[15:52] <calimlubb> i've 15.10 lubuntu
[15:53] <DOCtriN> It will be easier if you just change the Liferea command from menu
[15:53] <DOCtriN> Go to Internet menu and right click on Liferea, choose Properties
[15:54] <calimlubb> ok
[15:54] <calimlubb> done
[15:55] <calimlubb> i've only 2 option
[15:55] <DOCtriN> Go to Desktop Entry and on command section add "liferea -w shown"
[15:55] <DOCtriN> and everytime you want to run liferea you just need to do it from menu
[15:57] <calimlubb> thanks DOCtriN , can i uncheck this option (show icon) in lubuntu 1510?
[16:01] <DOCtriN> I've checked my Liferea option and can't found any "Show icon" uncheck option. I think the "Show icon" only available from previous version of Liferea
[16:02] <DOCtriN> anyway glad your liferea can work now.
[16:02] <DOCtriN> Hi all, anyone know when Lubuntu will use LXQT, and what is the big differences compare with current DE?
[16:03] <calimlubb> thanks DOCtriN
[19:28] <ChunkzZ> hi, is lubuntu moving over to lxqt?
[20:12] <rumi> Hi everyone, recently, I ran a apt-get upgrade on my Lubuntu based chromebook Asus C-300, and the touchpad suddenly stopped working at all
[20:12] <rumi> I had to reinstall the OS, but now I fear that if I upgrade, it'll break again
[20:13] <tsimonq2> rumi: what release were you on and what did you upgrade to?
[20:13] <rumi> I was and still am on 15.10
[20:13] <rumi> I just ran an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[20:13] <tsimonq2> so what broke?
[20:14] <tsimonq2> (BTW you can use apt instead of apt-get)
[20:14] <rumi> The touchpad stopped working, I had to move in the menus using the arrows
[20:14] <rumi> I don't know what package caused this
[20:15] <tsimonq2> ChunkzZ: yep, we will have an image for 16.10 and we will encourage people to use it, and 17.04 will be default, at least that's what I've been hearing, wxl and/or phillw, you want to confirm?
[20:17] <tsimonq2> rumi: run the following for me: sudo apt update && sudo apt install pastebinit && sudo apt update && apt list --upgradeable | pastebinit
[20:17] <tsimonq2> then give me the link it produces, if you could
[20:17] <rumi> okay let's try that
[20:18] <tsimonq2> (this will tell me what packages it's trying to upgrade, the | pastebinit will pipe it to pastebinit, which automatically uploads the output of that command to paste.ubuntu.com, which is really neat)
[20:18] <ChunkzZ> I'm having problems with lubuntu :(
[20:18] <tsimonq2> ChunkzZ: state your problem and I can help :)
[20:18] <rumi> this pastebinit is quite neat
[20:18] <tsimonq2> rumi: it is :)
[20:19] <ChunkzZ> tsimonq2, the only way to get brightness working on my laptop is to modify grub with acpi_osi= but the battery is terrible...the fan is always on etc
[20:21] <rumi> :tsimonq here it is: paste.ubuntu.com/15697828
[20:21] <tsimonq2> rumi: Tab autocompletion is a thing, but thank you :)
[20:21] <rumi> tsimonq2, haha
[20:21] <rumi> tsimonq2, first time on IRC since looong
[20:21] <DaniKitten> Does Lubuntu have support for GRUB multiboot?
[20:22] <DaniKitten> Like Ubuntu
[20:22] <tsimonq2> ChunkzZ: this doesn't seem like a Lubuntu-specific thing, might want to try on #ubuntu-kernel and/or #ubuntu-devel, state to them that this is NOT support
[20:22] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu is Ubuntu with a different desktop :)
[20:22] <tsimonq2> DaniKitten: ^
[20:22] <DaniKitten> Just this
[20:22] <tsimonq2> DaniKitten: hm?
[20:22] <wxl> DaniKitten: tl;dr yes
[20:22] <DaniKitten> I have Windows XP, because Wine does not run very well my PC games...
[20:23] <rumi> I recommend Lubuntu for weak machines like Asus Chromebooks ;)
[20:23] <DaniKitten> Or an HP Mini Notebook 2140 with 1 GB RAM
[20:23] <tsimonq2> DaniKitten: you look at virtualization ever?
[20:23] <tsimonq2> it might help
[20:24] <tsimonq2> and if you just have it on a different partition, you can emulate that
[20:24] <tsimonq2> rumi: sorry, reviewing now :)
[20:24] <wxl> and it has the added benefit of potentially sticking it in a jail
[20:25] <wxl> xp is a security issue waiting to happen
[20:25] <rumi> tsimonq, no problem, it's a long list because no upgrade since installation !
[20:25] <wxl> (unless you disconnect the network)
[20:25] <tsimonq2> rumi: not really, I've seen larger ;)
[20:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: anything look awry? http://paste.ubuntu.com/15697828/
[20:25] <wxl> tsimonq2: what am i looking at?
[20:26] <ChunkzZ> so much for helping -.- lol
[20:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: when he does an apt upgrade on his machine, his touchpad support breaks
[20:26] <rumi> wxl: my Asus Chromebook's touchpad stopped functioning after an upgrade, so this is pre-upgrade package list
[20:26] <tsimonq2> maybe a package upgrade does it
[20:26] <wxl> ChunkzZ: pointing you to the people that can best help you *IS* helping :)
[20:26] <tsimonq2> ^
[20:27] <wxl> the touchpad is, assumedly, taken care of by synaptics
[20:27] <rumi> wxl: yes it is
[20:27] <DaniKitten> Virtualization?
[20:28] <tsimonq2> DaniKitten: https://www.virtualbox.org/ or http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page :)
[20:28] <tsimonq2> one is open source and the other isn't
[20:28] <wxl> DaniKitten: basically it's like running an opterating system within your operating system
[20:28] <tsimonq2> but the latter is easier to use
[20:28] <tsimonq2> and my explanation is how to do what wxl said ;)
[20:29] <wxl> right now i'm using a locked down xp to run access 2010 within my kubuntu
[20:29] <rumi> is kvm less resource hungry ?
[20:29] <wxl> basically i allot a certain amount of my system memory to the machine
[20:29] <wxl> and i can adjust how much cpu i let it use
[20:29] <wxl> though usually memory is the issue
[20:29] <tsimonq2> rumi: whatever you allocate to it is what you get :)
[20:29] <wxl> we run this same system on work with 3GB
[20:30] <tsimonq2> rumi: but KVM has built-in Linux support where VirtualBox uses a couple tricks that may break if you do a lot of kernel upgrades
[20:31] <tsimonq2> s/upgrades/upgrades to unsupported kernels/
[20:31] <wxl> rumi: i don't see anything directly related to synaptics unfortunately. even the xserver packages at the bottom
[20:31] <rumi> I'll try this, I was also interested with Xen, but seems harder to use
[20:31] <wxl> it's better to say that the linux kernel has built in kvm support :)
[20:31] <rumi> wxl: I'll try and upgrade again, to see.
[20:32] <tsimonq2> yes what wxl said ;)
[20:32] <DaniKitten> Yeah, I known virtual machines, but my computer run a lot faster hardware than virtual machine
[20:32] <DaniKitten> I have Virtual Box
[20:32] <DaniKitten> But is slow
[20:33] <DaniKitten> At least is many times slower than direct hardware
[20:34] <tsimonq2> DaniKitten: how old is your hardware
[20:34] <tsimonq2> maybe it doesn't have virtualization support
[20:34] <tsimonq2> rumi: I think Xen is parallel operating systems as opposed to virtualized, am I wrong, wxl?
[20:36] <rumi> tsimonq2: from what I understood, there is sharing of resources, but not actually a guest and host OS
[20:36] <DaniKitten> 2008
[20:36] <DaniKitten> HP Mini 2140 is from 2008/2009
[20:36] <wxl> tsimonq2: i think that's right, but i'm not the xen master.
[20:37] <wxl> DaniKitten: is that because of memory or cpu?
[20:37] <DaniKitten> 1 GB RAM, Intel Atom Dual-Core @ 1.6 Ghz
[20:37] <DaniKitten> Some people claims that is old
[20:38] <DaniKitten> but I want to use the same PC for old and new things, I'm not rich
[20:38] <wxl> 1gb is barely enough to run windows xp
[20:38] <wxl> so i can see why that would be problematic
[20:38] <DaniKitten> and new computer have issued with 16-bit things
[20:38] <DaniKitten> *issues
[20:38] <wxl> if i were you, i'd give it 2-3GB more and you could virtualize fine
[20:38] <wxl> then you could game AND chat on irc XD
[20:39] <DaniKitten> For example: My dad have an Acer Aspire One from 2012, but I tried to run a DOS game (Alley Cat) and the screen looks garbled
[20:39] <DaniKitten> I want to buy better RAM cards
[20:39] <DaniKitten> Is DDR3 compatible with DDR2?
[20:39] <tsimonq2> no, I don't think so
[20:40] <wxl> definitely not
[20:40] <DaniKitten> Or all the things are different now?
[20:40] <wxl> but DD2 is cheap
[20:40] <wxl> i think there's like DDR4 or 5 now
[20:40] <wxl> :)
[20:40] <DaniKitten> So, I need to buy DDR2 cards
[20:40] <wxl> i most use old stuff, so i don't know about this new fangled stuff
[20:40] <DaniKitten> Are cheaper and my laptop model still uses that kind of cards
[20:40] <DaniKitten> I'll check now
[20:41] <tsimonq2> wxl: I thought DDR4 was the current one but I could be wrong
[20:41] <DaniKitten> I also use old stuff
[20:41] <wxl> i have a place that i can get DDR2 desktop in 2GB for like $10
[20:41] <wxl> it's used but who cares
[20:41] <rumi> rebooting...
[20:41] <tsimonq2> rumi: you don't have to reboot for upgrades unless it's a kernel upgrade ;)
[20:42] <DaniKitten> but some trolls want to make me upgrade the entire laptop (instead of saving money upgrading only the oldest things)
[20:42] <rumi> tsimonq2, last time the touchpad stopped working after a reboot...
[20:42] <tsimonq2> alright rumi :)
[20:42] <rumi> tsimonq2, aaaaaand, touchpad gone
[20:42] <tsimonq2> :/
[20:42] <tsimonq2> wxl: you know where to start? dmesg?
[20:42] <rumi> good thing is, terminator opens at startup :)
[20:42] <wxl> yeah that's where i'd start
[20:43] <DaniKitten> I want to buy a BIG laptop, maybe 16" or more if available
[20:43] <rumi> pastebinit dmesg output ? or grepping something first ?
[20:43] <tsimonq2> rumi: could you run: dmesg | pastebinit ?
[20:43] <DaniKitten> The BIG things uses old (and cheap) things, and probably will be cheaper that BIG laptops
[20:44] <rumi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15698340
[20:44] <rumi> [   10.396296] atmel_mxt_ts: probe of i2c-ATML0000:01 failed with error -22
[20:44] <tsimonq2> rumi: what's your laptop model?
[20:44] <rumi> look tat that
[20:45] <rumi> atmel seems to be some touch driver
[20:45] <rumi> it's Asus Chromebook C200M
[20:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: anything?
[20:46] <rumi> wxl: line 640
[20:46] <wxl> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit
[20:47] <rumi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15698417
[20:48] <wxl> that's weird
[20:49] <wxl> i don't see any mention of the touchpad at all there
[20:50] <rumi> :/
[20:53] <wxl> rumi: xinput list | pastebinit
[20:55] <rumi> okay
[20:55] <rumi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15698581
[21:01] <wxl> rumi: cat /proc/bus/input/devices | pastebinit
[21:01] <rumi> alright
[21:02] <rumi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15698716
[21:05] <wxl> rumi: it might also be valuable to see lspci -vv
[21:05] <rumi> okay
[21:06] <rumi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15698784
[21:07] <wxl> rumi: can i make a dramatic suggestion? maybe it's unplugged?
[21:07] <rumi> wxl: what could be unplugged ?
[21:07] <wxl> rumi: the cable that connects the touchpad to the system board
[21:08] <rumi> but it worked 10 minutes ago, just before the upgrade
[21:08] <wxl> weird
[21:08] <rumi> wxl: beside, it's a tight notebook
[21:10] <rumi> wxl: this same problem happened twice before, in the previous weeks, it's repeatable
[21:11] <wxl> rumi: there's this but i'm not getting anywhere with it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection
[21:11] <rumi> I could upgrade each package after one another, to narrow the search to a specific package
[21:12] <rumi> external mouse works fine.
[21:13] <rumi> looks like a bug in the latest kernel image
[21:14] <rumi> Can I easily revert to the previous image ?
[21:14] <rumi> maybe with changing the symbolic link to vmlinuz ?
[21:23] <rumi> Actually, one need to relink initrd.img instead of vmlinuz