[01:43] <rustybofh> hi folks
[01:43] <rustybofh> anybody could tell me where could i find info about install ubuntu 16.04 on nexus 4?
[01:52] <rustybofh> nobody?
[01:53] <k1l> ota10 is still based on 15.10 iirc.
[01:54] <rustybofh> yeah i know
[01:54] <rustybofh> but i can see at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ there are images for mako
[01:55] <rustybofh> and i believe that i could flash it on nexus 4
[01:55] <rustybofh> maybe i'm wrong..
[01:57] <k1l> looks like automated builds. if you want you could try that but i dont know if that will work at all :)
[01:57] <rustybofh> hehehe ok
[01:57] <rustybofh> maybe its better to wait to ota-10 tomorrow
[01:57] <rustybofh> :)
[02:10] <rustybofh> so, anybody try yet ota-10?
[02:11] <k1l> i did not get offered to upgrade yet on mako, due to the bug blocking it still
[02:34] <rustybofh> yeah, i readed about that
[02:34] <rustybofh> readed that tomorrow will be available, isn't it?
[02:39] <k1l> last info i saw in here was: we are working on it and hope to push it tomorrow
[02:53] <streondj> hey whats the best way to upgrade to ubuntu touch? I think I'm running trusty taher.
[02:54] <streondj> am getting issue:
[02:54] <streondj> gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-videoparsers : Depends: libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 (= 1.2.4-1~ubuntu1) but 1.4.0-1 is to be installe
[02:55] <k1l> streondj: ubuntu and ubuntu-touch are two different systems right now.
[02:56] <streondj> oh, well I have a touch screen.. is there any way I can use it?
[02:57] <k1l> ubuntu-touch is about the os running on the smartphones (and tablets). if you talk about the desktop ubuntu better ask in #ubuntu
[02:58] <streondj> oh okay thanks
[02:58] <streondj> I'm running on an odroid
[02:59] <streondj> anyways seems like I installed ubuntu-touch-session I'll go try it out laterz
[05:01] <Smurphy>  I have ota-10 running on my BQ-4.5. Works nice so far :D
[06:49] <anddam> Smurphy: how reactive is the E4.5?
[07:53] <zoidburg> hello
[08:03] <Simounet> Hi there. I'm really impressed by Ubuntu Touch but I miss Whatsapp. Do you know any workaround to make it work?
[11:04] <mcphail> Acou_Bass: thanks. I'm finding quite a few performance issues with OTA10. If I was you, I'd stick with OTA9.1 for now
[11:05] <Acou_Bass> well im on an N4 anyway
[11:05] <Acou_Bass> so wont get 10 yet ;)
[11:05] <mcphail> Acou_Bass: aah. Does the N4 lag behind?
[11:06] <Acou_Bass> not usually, but theres a bug in the N4 build thats stopped them pushing it out yet
[11:12] <mcphail> Acou_Bass: when you finally get OTA10, would you be kind enough to append a comment to https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1555674 to state whether the browser regresses from OTA9.1 to 10? Although, to be honest, I'm not sure this is a browser-specific issue. I seem to be getting a lot of performance regressions across apps
[11:12] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1555674 in Oxide "Rendering is very slow when scrolling on ubuntu.com" [High,New]
[11:12] <Acou_Bass> sure :P
[11:12] <mcphail> ta!
[11:23] <mcphail> popey: do you have a link to the neat screencasting script? Does it use much CPU/memory on the device? I'm trying to track down an issue with the phone which may be memory related, and would like to have a video of the steps
[11:24] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15685457/
[11:24] <mcphail> popey: Ta!
[11:24] <popey> np
[11:24] <popey> i dont see any issue scrolling ubuntu.com on my ota-10 phone
[11:26] <mcphail> krillin? Or something with more memory?
[11:27] <mcphail> popey: in particular, the page at http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/04/07/ubuntu-is-everywhere/ has been giving me problems with graphics popping in and out when scrolling
[11:28] <popey> hm
[11:28] <popey> krillin
[11:28] <popey> lemme try that page
[11:30] <popey> mcphail: that page scrolls fine for me
[11:31] <mcphail> hmm. Have you been getting a lot of app crashes (? OOM) when switching between them? Or very slow performance of media-hub using apps?
[11:33] <popey> not that I have noticed
[11:33] <popey> you use it more than I do though right now I imagine
[11:33] <mcphail> I've had problems from day 1 with the Gallery app performance, but this is now being duplicated in the music app. And podbird is getting killed if I get a text or phonecall. I don't know if my harware is dying...
[11:34] <mcphail> (presumably I'll have a 1 year warranty, and my phone is 1 year + 1 week old...)
[11:35] <popey> scrolling is slow for me in the messaging indicator
[11:35] <popey> wonder if it uses the old list view
[11:35] <popey> get about 5fps
[11:35] <popey> 4 days of notifications... takes a while to get to the bottom to clear them
[11:37] <mcphail> I think I might reflash 9.1 to see if things improve
[11:44] <jgdx> pete-woods, hey, could you comment on bug 1567389 and say whether or not connectivity is gtg for user/pass for openvpn connections?
[11:44] <ubot5`> bug 1567389 in ubuntu-settings-components (Ubuntu) "OpenVPN connections should allow username and password" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567389
[14:02] <PaulePanter> Hi!
[14:03] <PaulePanter> We just introduced S/MIME certificates for emails.
[14:03] <PaulePanter> Does the Ubuntu phone support that?
[14:03] <PaulePanter> Dekko is the mail client, right?
[14:03] <PaulePanter> On Apple stuff you can import certificates.
[14:04] <PaulePanter> On the Jolla phone it’s not supported by the default email application.
[14:04] <PaulePanter> No idea on Android.
[14:06] <homa> hi my friends
[14:42] <bumblefuzz> so, how close is ubuntu to BetterTouchTool for mac?
[14:42] <bumblefuzz> lack of gestures is the only reason I haven't switched yet
[14:47] <ogra_> funny statement to make in the touch OS channel (which works *only* through gestures)
[14:51] <dobey> lack of gestures? huh?
[14:52] <dobey> PaulePanter: i don't think dekko supports gpg or smime yet; they also have a #dekko irc channel i think :)
[14:53] <bumblefuzz> ok, sorry
[14:53] <bumblefuzz> it's been a while since I checked in on this stuff
[14:54] <bumblefuzz> the last time I tried converting to ubuntu, lack of gestures was why I switched back
[14:54] <ogra_> well, the touch OS only operates with gestures
[14:55] <ogra_> (or the touch UI i shoudl say ... its the same OS after all :) )
[14:55] <bumblefuzz> ok then
[14:55] <bumblefuzz> how close is Touch OS to bettertouchtool for mac?
[14:55] <ogra_> dunno, never used a mac :)
[14:55] <bumblefuzz> that's what I've been waiting for essentially
[14:56] <ogra_> but it was designed for tablets and phones mainly
[14:56] <bumblefuzz> ahhh
[14:56] <bumblefuzz> so am I looking for multitouch or similar?
[14:56] <bumblefuzz> this is my system: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP704?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
[15:03] <rdp5008> Hi guys, I'm curious about ubuntu touch. My use case involves about 75% of the time without wifi/data. How does that work with ubuntu touch and webapps?
[15:05] <PaulePanter> dobey: Understood. Thank you for the confirmation.
[15:05] <PaulePanter> For business use case (and Apple parity) that’s a crucial feature in my opinion.
[15:07] <dobey> rdp5008: webapps don't work without network. they are just confined browsers showing a web site
[15:10] <dobey> bumblefuzz: if you want regular ubuntu, the support channel is #ubuntu, btw
[15:10] <dobey> and there are certainly touchpad gestures in unity7
[15:10] <rdp5008> dobey so it wouldn't be a great choice for me? How about simple apps like ereader or video player?
[15:11] <ogra_> rdp5008, there are a good bunch of native apps (the two are among them)
[15:11] <dobey> rdp5008: native apps should work fine
[15:11] <dobey> as long as they don't require talking to a web service or such
[15:12] <ogra_> you can install uappexplorer from the store, that aloows you to filter out webapps (unlike the installed ubuntu store)
[15:12] <rdp5008> okay cool. I need to give it a go.
[15:12] <ogra_> in case you want to make sure to have only native ones installed
[15:12] <dobey> how does it know what apps are webapps?
[15:13] <ogra_> i think it checks for "webapp-container" in the .desktop or some such
[15:13] <ogra_> there are definitely false positives for things that just use a WebView inside a QML wrapper
[15:13] <dobey> well i guess it doesn't do that for $$$ apps
[15:14] <ogra_> it does it as good as it can :)
[15:14] <dobey> downloading every app and parsing things sounds nasty
[15:15] <ogra_> well, thats just an assumption. ask the author how it actually does it in reality
[15:16] <dobey> well, the info isn't indexed in the store; so it's either manual data entry, or lots of extra work downloading things. either way is not fun :)
[15:16] <ogra_> yeah
[15:18] <rdp5008> how is the native ereader app? I really like fbreader on android. something comparable that can accesss my personal opds catalog?
[15:19] <popey> what are opds?
[15:19] <ogra_> rdp5008, https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.rschroll.beru
[15:20] <ogra_> or alternativealy: https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.docviewer
[15:20] <dobey> other peoples' documents ?
[15:20] <rdp5008> Hi popey! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPDS
[15:21] <rdp5008> I have my ebooks on owncloud and access them with an opds plugin for owncloud
[15:21] <rdp5008> nothing fancy. just a feed of ebooks really
[15:22] <popey> oh, I'd not heard of that format
[15:22] <popey> dunno if it's supported
[15:22] <popey> unlikely, but you could always file a bug and we can take a look
[15:22] <ogra_> likely needs some backend
[15:22] <popey> yeah
[15:23] <rdp5008> I think it might be similar to how ebook apps access feedbooks. I'm not sure how much work is done by the app or if you just need a way to plug-in a link to a url with the feed
[15:23]  * ogra_ curses about firefox updates recnetly killing the whole session history 
[15:24] <dobey> rdp5008: what format are the books actually in? epub? pdf?
[15:24] <ogra_> after an FF restart i end up with 200 "New tab" things :/
[15:24] <rdp5008> dboey they are mostly epub
[15:25] <ogra_> you can definitely download them to the device then  and view them locally
[15:25] <dobey> rdp5008: ok, they should mostly work fine in beru i guess; i don't think it or docviewer support OPDS though. there isn't special owncloud integration yet
[15:27] <rdp5008> dobey I think OPDS feeds can be generated using Calibre too. I'm new to this ebook world. I used to just use Kindle
[15:28] <dobey> rdp5008: i don't think it matters how the feeds are generated. i don't know if either support OPDS :)
[15:28] <dobey> but i guess if you don't have network most of the time, the books need to already be on the device anyway
[15:28] <ogra_> yeah
[15:32] <rdp5008> yes, I grab wifi and download books as I can. I work offshore  :(
[15:32] <rdp5008> away from home for months at a time. so cloud stuff is nice
[15:33] <rdp5008> thanks though. I think it wouldn't be too hard to implement. sounds like a fun project.
[15:37] <dobey> yeah, sounds like a nice feature
[15:42] <Smurphy> anddan: With ota-10, very. Smoother than with 9.1
[18:24] <pixel__> hello! welp :D
[18:25] <pixel__> any store people arround? :D
[18:25] <pidave> hi all
[18:26] <davmor2> pixel__: you are probably best to just ask your question then anyone about that can help will
[18:27] <mike00> hi, is right that in the today scope I can't see any more the time of sunset and sunrise ?
[18:27] <pidave> does anyone know if ota 10 for nexus 4 has been released yet?
[18:27] <pixel__> davmor2, i can't push an update i get "Status
[18:27] <pixel__> Manual review pending"
[18:27] <pixel__> but Automated review for version 0.195: passed
[18:27] <pixel__>  0 Fails
[18:27] <pixel__>  0 Warnings
[18:27] <pixel__>  115 Passes
[18:27] <pixel__>  https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/4490/rev/195/
[18:28] <davmor2> pixel__: might be a permissions thing if someone is being asked to review it
[18:29] <davmor2> sil2100: if you are about question on mako above
[18:30] <pixel__> davmor2, it didn't asked before :D
[18:30] <pixel__> thanks :D popey is helping me on telegram
[18:30] <popey> it's in hand
[18:31] <davmor2> popey: I was going to say your name as someone who might be able to help but thought it was friday night let him drink beer till he can't stand
[18:31] <pixel__> popey yay :D it's just a silly update, nothing important
[18:31] <sil2100> pidave: hey! It's released but in the phased update stage
[18:31] <sil2100> pidave: all users should get it around tomorrow
[18:32] <pidave> ok that's good to hear - thank you
[18:35] <pidave> I'm also getting download errors when I try to download Core Apps from the store
[18:35] <pidave> is this a known issue?
[18:38] <pidave> I've even Erased and Reset - really odd - all other apps download fine
[18:39] <sil2100> huh
[18:43] <sil2100> pidave: which apps are those?
[18:43] <pidave> Calendar and Document Viewer
[18:44] <mike00> where have I report a OS bug?
[18:44] <popey> mike00: depends which bit of the OS
[18:44] <popey> mike00: whats the issue?
[18:45] <sil2100> pidave: hm, ok so that's strange, I thought it might be related to us locking down certain clicks in staging, but we didn't do anything with the doc-viewer...
[18:45] <mike00> translation
[18:45] <sil2100> pidave: could you file a bug?
[18:45] <popey> mike00: can you elaborate? :)
[18:45] <dobey> pidave: no, it works for me
[18:46] <pidave> I've got to go now but yes I will look into that when I'm back online - Thanks for your time
[18:46] <dobey> sil2100: locking down clicks in staging?
[18:46] <sil2100> dobey: that's how I call it, basically locking certain clicks in the upload queue and on snakefruit for click-sync to pick up
[18:47] <sil2100> Well, anyway, unrelated
[18:47] <mike00> popey: what do you mean with "elaborate"?
[18:47] <dobey> sil2100: yeah, i don't think that's related to the problem
[18:48] <dobey> the scope certainly doesn't show you any apps which aren't published :)
[18:49] <popey> mike00: where is the translation issue?
[18:49] <dobey> pidave: is your storage space full?
[18:49] <mike00> popey: notifications drop down menu
[18:49] <dobey> mike00: state the exact issue please
[18:49] <pidave> hi dobey - no lots of space - just completed an erase and reset as well
[18:50] <pidave> could it be ubuntu account related?
[18:50] <dobey> pidave: no, from your previous description it fails after the download finishes
[18:50] <popey> mike00: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bugs
[18:50] <popey> thats probably the best place then
[18:50] <mike00> popey: when I try to close a notification I see "delete" and not "Elimina" in Italian
[18:50] <pidave> ah ok that makes sense
[18:51] <popey> mike00: oh, thats somewhere else
[18:51] <mike00> popey: so the link is wrong?
[18:51] <pidave> i wonder it its the image version that i have flashed to the phone?
[18:51] <jibel> mike00, file a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug
[18:51] <popey> yeah, thats easier :)
[18:51] <dobey> pidave: no, shouldn't be. but i need to see the download manager logs
[18:52] <jibel> mike00, and add a screenshot showing where the translation is incorrect
[18:52] <pidave> ok sir - i'll try and get a hold of them for you
[18:53] <jibel> mike00, it's a general issue apparently, the string is not translated in French either. Likely something in the sdk
[18:53] <mike00> where have I add the screenshot? here or in the bug report?
[18:53] <mike00> *Italian
[18:54] <jibel> mike00, in the bug report
[18:54] <mike00> and what link shall I click?
[18:55] <popey> mike00: the one from jibel
[18:55] <mike00> ok
[19:00] <dobey> mariogrip: hey. any news? :)
[19:04] <mariogrip> dobey: I did some modifying, i'm now testing if there battery is better or just the same
[19:04] <mariogrip> from what I have tester so fast, it seems to be better
[19:05] <dobey> cool
[19:05] <mariogrip> far*
[19:05] <dobey> can you update the recovery too? :)
[19:06] <mariogrip> yeah :)
[19:06] <dobey> yay
[19:09] <dobey> i wonder wtf is causing content-hub and thumbnails to be broken for me though
[19:10] <mike00> I submit it
[19:12] <pidave> hi dobey - apologies i got impatient and re-flashed the phone which dropped ota 10 on it - core apps now install from the store ok now
[19:12] <pidave> FYI the image i downloaded that had the issue was 28
[19:12] <dobey> ok
[19:13] <pidave> ubuntu-touch/stable channel
[19:13] <pidave> a quick thanks to all - oobe is much improved and i'm noticing a speed increase and new sharpness to the display
[19:13] <pidave> thanks to all involved in this update
[19:21] <mike00> bye
[19:55] <ahoneybun> anyone get the Microsoft Designer mouse to work?
[19:55] <ahoneybun> it works on Android
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[19:59] <ahoneybun> mm that was weird
[20:00] <dobey> indeed
[20:00] <ahoneybun> dobey, any reason why a bluetooth mouse works in Android but not Ubuntu?
[20:01] <dobey> ahoneybun: i'm certain there is a reason, but i don't know it
[20:01] <ahoneybun> right
[20:01] <dobey> my jawbone era earpiece doesn't seem to get picked up by ubuntu phone either
[20:02] <dobey> but i can pair it just fine to my laptop with ubuntu
[20:02] <ahoneybun> but does that uses 3rd party software no?
[20:02] <dobey> not for pairing
[20:02] <dobey> they have a fancy app that shows upcoming events and such
[20:03] <dobey> but has nothing to do with basic bluetooth operation
[20:03] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:03] <pat__> ahoneybun, does that mouse say it has "smart technology"
[20:03] <dobey> it works fine on webos on my pre3 too :)
[20:03]  * ahoneybun looks
[20:03] <pat__> which is code for low energy, which does not always work right now
[20:04] <ahoneybun> pat__, says something about BlueTrack technology
[20:04] <dobey> that's their magic lasers thing
[20:04] <dobey> nothing to do with bluetooth
[20:04]  * ahoneybun should move to stable channel
[20:04] <dobey> but it could be a BLE device
[20:05] <ahoneybun> I'm using a N7 if that matters
[20:05] <dobey> oh
[20:05] <ahoneybun> I was just trying to find some bluetooth mouse
[20:05] <dobey> i've seen people complaining about issues with bt on flo
[20:05] <ahoneybun> "stable" = 9.1 was just soooo bad
[20:05] <ahoneybun> moved to rc-proposed and worked much better
[20:06] <dobey> ahoneybun: fwiw, lots of things that are "Bluetooth 4.x" devices, may be BLE, and i don't think will necessarily work with ubuntu phone currently
[20:06] <ahoneybun> yea I've found that out the hard way lol
[20:06] <dobey> eh, i use rc-proposed on my n5
[20:06] <ahoneybun> I need to ask people what they use
[20:06] <dobey> it works great until one time you update and then it doesn't work so great :P
[20:07] <ahoneybun> I kinda want to try it on my OPO but major things don't work yet
[20:07] <pat__> ahoneybun, that mouse is smart, le
[20:07] <dobey> but should be much better now that mariogrip has one and images are on ubports
[20:07] <ahoneybun> yea but I like a kinda working phone
[20:08] <dobey> i don't know about opo
[20:08] <dobey> but n5 kinda works
[20:08] <ahoneybun> OnePlus One
[20:08] <dobey> has been kinda working for like 2 years :P
[20:08] <dobey> yeah, i know what it is. i don't have one. :)
[20:08] <ahoneybun> switching tasks on the N7 is so hard
[20:08] <dobey> so i can't say how well it works for using as a phone or not
[20:08] <ahoneybun> it keeps going back to the home screen
[20:08] <ahoneybun> *home scope
[20:09] <ahoneybun> camera, video decode, gps, and bluetooth do not work YET
[20:09] <ahoneybun> important things to me
[20:09] <ahoneybun> at least the GPS anyway
[20:09] <ahoneybun> that is life and death for me
[20:10] <dobey> ah, i can't play local videos on n5 either
[20:10] <dobey> and no bt
[20:10] <dobey> but camera works and gps does now too
[20:10] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: I'll try getting GPS working for you in a short time :)
[20:10] <dobey> but content-hub doesn't work for me and i have no idea why
[20:10] <mariogrip> Also bt for you dobey
[20:10] <dobey> i can take pictures all day. just can't see thumbnails or upload them in the browser
[20:11] <ahoneybun> mariogrip, I know your working super hard on all your devices :)
[20:11] <ahoneybun> so don't feel like I'm pressuring you
[20:12] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: ah, don't worry about that ;)
[20:13] <ahoneybun> my Spigen R12E work fine dobey
[20:13] <ahoneybun> mariogrip, :)
[20:13] <mariogrip> dobey: I'll debug the content-hub part now, have you seen any error that I can go from
[20:15] <dobey> mariogrip: only errors i've seen have been about the thumbnails. but if you just create a fake contact and try to set the picture to any random picture, it just fails and returns to the "select the app you want to use a picture from" window. don't know if you see the same or not
[20:18] <mariogrip> dobey: OH!  apparmor="DENIED"
[20:18] <dobey> mariogrip: ?
[20:18] <mariogrip> that's why,
[20:20] <dobey> mariogrip: but why would unconfined apps have an apparmor denial for something they clearly have access to?
[20:20] <dobey> and is that actually why content-hub is failing, or is that just the thumbnailer disallowing the image?
[20:21] <dobey> i couldn't find why that denial was happening at all, as it makes absolutely no sense
[20:21] <mariogrip> dobey: I have no idea. yes, apparmor is disallowing access to the images yes
[20:21] <mariogrip> the same thing happens on my opo
[20:22] <dobey> ok
[20:23] <dobey> hmm. my jawbone is LE it seems :-/
[20:25] <mariogrip> this is weird, why is apparmor denying it?
[20:27] <dobey> something with the kernel maybe?
[20:28] <dobey> though the rest of the apparmor-related stuff seems to be working ok
[20:28] <dobey> pat__: make LE devices work! :)
[22:02] <popey> mariogrip: what's the command to flash opo with ota-10?
[22:10] <mariogrip> popey: sudo ubuntu-device-flash --server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable --device=bacon --bootstrap
[22:10] <popey> mariogrip: thanks
[22:10] <mariogrip> np :)
[22:10] <popey> i find it hard to get my opo to retain a charge
[22:11] <popey> is the battery life better now? :)
[22:12] <mariogrip> popey: oh, my opo seems to be holding 2-3 days no problem, but mine has no sim
[22:12] <popey> wow, the screen on my opo is knackered
[22:13] <mariogrip> popey: the 5.1 images is really bad battery life, are you using them?
[22:13] <popey> no
[22:14] <mariogrip> is there a sim in it?
[22:14] <mariogrip> how bad is the battery life?
[22:14] <popey> no
[22:15] <popey> less than a day
[22:15] <mariogrip> what channel are you on?
[22:15] <popey> same one you originally helped me install
[22:15] <popey> never had any updates
[22:15] <mariogrip> oh?
[22:16] <mariogrip> that's stable channel then?
[22:16] <popey> channel: ubuntu-touch/stable
[22:16] <popey> version version: 9
[22:17] <mariogrip> could you update to v10 and see if the update to v11 works (v11 is OTA-10)
[22:17] <mariogrip> (if you have time)
[22:17] <popey> sure
[22:18] <popey> sudo ubuntu-device-flash --server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable --device=bacon --revision=10
[22:18] <popey> ^ ?
[22:18] <popey> also, why sudo?
[22:18] <mariogrip> yes, and due to fastboot
[22:18] <mariogrip> udev rules
[22:18] <popey> k
[22:19] <popey> downloading now
[22:19] <mariogrip> awesome, thanks :)
[22:22] <Acou_Bass> hey guys, slightly dumb question possibly... is it possible to package a webapp on ubuntu touch and *not* submit it to the store?
[22:22] <popey> sure
[22:22] <popey> you can sideload clicks
[22:22] <Acou_Bass> ahh, so just make a click but then dont submit it :D
[22:22] <popey> ya
[22:22] <Acou_Bass> cool thanks :D its not that i dont want to share the love, its just a very specific app for a small community and so doesnt really make sense to publish it
[22:23] <popey> sure
[22:23] <popey> i have webapps on my device that i never pushed to the store
[22:23] <popey> wish the browser let us make them on-device without making a click
[22:23] <Acou_Bass> yeah thatd be great, firefox os-style
[22:24] <popey> mariogrip: how long should I expect it to sit at the oneplus logo?
[22:24] <mariogrip> max 20 seconds
[22:25] <popey> been a couple of mins
[22:25] <mariogrip> oh, wait it's flashing issint+
[22:25] <popey> its in recovery mode
[22:25] <mariogrip> then give it 7 mins
[22:26] <mariogrip> the all new recovery is coming when i release 5.1 btw :)
[22:26] <mariogrip> then this issue will be fixed
[22:26] <popey> adb shell in and it doesnt appear to be doing much
[22:27] <mariogrip> then just reboot it
[22:30] <popey> ok
[22:31] <popey> it rebooted into recovery again
[22:34] <mariogrip> popey: then it didn't flash finish i guess
[22:34] <mariogrip> I think you need to redo it then
[22:34] <popey> k
[22:35] <popey> didnt bootstrap, wanted to keep stuff
[22:35] <popey> do i have to bootstrap?
[22:35] <mariogrip> popey: no, it should work without
[22:39] <mariogrip> dobey: I think I found the issue with the n5 on why it uses so much battery, it tries to suspend but it immediately wakes up again (or it fails to suspend)
[22:44] <popey> -rw-------    1 system   system   160389198 Jan  7 09:58 log
[22:44] <popey> in cache/recovery, ran out of space
[22:44] <popey> guess thats why
[22:46] <mariogrip> popey: oh, just wipe that
[22:47] <popey> right, better this time, i see it unxzing stuff
[22:51] <popey> mariogrip: channel: ubuntu-touch/stable
[22:51] <popey> version version: 10
[22:51] <popey> :)
[22:51] <mariogrip> yey :D
[22:51] <mariogrip> now, does it update ;)
[22:51] <popey> yes
[22:51] <mariogrip> yey :)
[22:51] <mariogrip> version version :P
[22:52] <popey> 11
[22:53]  * popey hits restart & install
[22:53] <mariogrip> btw, do you know why AppArmor policy forbids access to images (gallery)
[22:53] <popey> well, you dont want rogue apps from getting access to your photos and uploading them to the web do you?
[22:54] <mariogrip> or more specific the Thumbnailer
[22:54] <popey> not sure i understand
[22:54] <mariogrip> also, com.ubuntu.gallery_gallery wants to access images to show thumbnails
[22:55] <popey> mariogrip: after doing the ota to 11 it's sat at the 1plus logo again
[22:56] <mariogrip> popey: it's in the recovery to flash probably
[22:56] <popey> I adb shelled in and its doing nothing
[22:57] <dobey> mariogrip: ah. do you know how to fix it?
[22:58] <mariogrip> popey: humm, give it a minute and try to reboot it
[22:58] <mariogrip> I need to update the recovery asap
[22:59] <mariogrip> I probably can do it now, yeah sure why not
[22:59] <mariogrip> dobey: not yet, I need to find where the issue lays first
[23:00] <popey> rebooted and it's fine
[23:00] <mariogrip> ota 11=
[23:00] <mariogrip> ?
[23:00] <mariogrip> (version 11)
[23:02] <popey> mariogrip: http://imgur.com/J9IqzL8
[23:02] <mariogrip> popey: \o/
[23:02] <popey> Nice work mariogrip !
[23:02] <mariogrip> Thanks :)
[23:04] <popey> mcphail: I'm seeing what you mean about the browser - on the oneplus which is super fast and has tons of ram
[23:04] <popey> mcphail: images disappearing during scrolling
[23:04] <popey> mcphail: looks to me like it's doing some kind of tile based rendering as individual squares appear and disappear
[23:07] <mariogrip> popey: do you recommend an bt keyboard that works perfectly with Ubuntu touch? (I need to do some testing with bt, but I have no bt devices)
[23:07] <mariogrip> also, thinking that some cheap chines keyborads might not works with ubuntu touch
[23:08] <Acou_Bass> surely bluetooth is bluetooth? its not like ubuntu actually needs to support the kb, just the bluetooth spec?
[23:09] <mariogrip> i dunno, never had a keyboard mouse or keyboard so
[23:09] <Acou_Bass> hehe me neither... im just making assumptions, probably bad ones :P
[23:10] <Acou_Bass> im interested too though - id like a keyboard with it at some point, not too bothered about a mouse though if i can just use the phone as a touchpad when in desktop mode
[23:11] <mariogrip> this seems pretty cool, with track pad http://eud.dx.com/product/ultra-thin-bluetooth-v3-0-59-key-keyboard-w-touch-mouse-for-android-windows-devices-black-844386275#.Vwg6n3V953A
[23:12] <mariogrip> says for Android so, then it has to work with ubuntu :P
[23:13] <Acou_Bass> 8x5 in roughly... trying to think how big that is
[23:14] <Acou_Bass> when i first got my ubuntu touch phone i was considering something like those flippy-case keyboards you can get for ipads (but smaller), and y'know basically have a mini 5" laptop-type thing
[23:15] <Acou_Bass> but now im thinking...t he touch keyboard is good enough, and when in desktop mode id want a 2-handed keyboard i can touch type on xD
[23:15] <mariogrip> Acou_Bass: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/image20160408_231450241.jpg
[23:16] <mariogrip> pretty small
[23:16] <Acou_Bass> yeah thats pretty cool
[23:16] <Acou_Bass> sort of halfway between my two above choices... XD
[23:16] <Acou_Bass> not quite phone-size but smaller than desktop size... fun
[23:17] <mariogrip> 21 usd is not bad
[23:18] <Acou_Bass> heh, looking at that site you linked... didnt know those lazer keyboards were still a thing
[23:19] <mariogrip> im at the EU version, but the main site has much more
[23:20] <mariogrip> main side sends world wide, but EU sends just to eu
[23:20] <mariogrip> + it has free shipping
[23:23] <Acou_Bass> hehe EU + free shipping sounds good, though ill check the main site too
[23:29] <Acou_Bass> http://www.dx.com/p/rechargeable-bluetooth-v3-0-wireless-slide-out-50-key-keyboard-hard-case-for-iphone-5-black-162431
[23:29] <Acou_Bass> see, i wanted something like that... but obviously not for an iphone :P
[23:34] <mariogrip> someone needs to drag me off this site, everthing is so cheap...
[23:35] <Acou_Bass> XD
[23:35] <Acou_Bass> beware the crap thatll break after two uses :D
[23:37] <mariogrip> :P
[23:37] <popey> mariogrip: logitech k480
[23:37] <popey> mariogrip: it is switchable, so can be associated with 3 devices
[23:38] <popey> which is helpful if you have more than one device, which I suspect you do
[23:38] <mariogrip> :D
[23:38] <mariogrip> thanks :)
[23:39] <popey> np
[23:39] <popey> ooh, bed time! I'll turn into a pumpkin!
[23:42] <mariogrip> popey: me to, it's 01:41
[23:42] <mariogrip> here