[01:43] hi folks [01:43] anybody could tell me where could i find info about install ubuntu 16.04 on nexus 4? [01:52] nobody? [01:53] ota10 is still based on 15.10 iirc. [01:54] yeah i know [01:54] but i can see at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ there are images for mako [01:55] and i believe that i could flash it on nexus 4 [01:55] maybe i'm wrong.. [01:57] looks like automated builds. if you want you could try that but i dont know if that will work at all :) [01:57] hehehe ok [01:57] maybe its better to wait to ota-10 tomorrow [01:57] :) [02:10] so, anybody try yet ota-10? [02:11] i did not get offered to upgrade yet on mako, due to the bug blocking it still [02:34] yeah, i readed about that [02:34] readed that tomorrow will be available, isn't it? [02:39] last info i saw in here was: we are working on it and hope to push it tomorrow [02:53] hey whats the best way to upgrade to ubuntu touch? I think I'm running trusty taher. [02:54] am getting issue: [02:54] gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-videoparsers : Depends: libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 (= 1.2.4-1~ubuntu1) but 1.4.0-1 is to be installe [02:55] streondj: ubuntu and ubuntu-touch are two different systems right now. [02:56] oh, well I have a touch screen.. is there any way I can use it? [02:57] ubuntu-touch is about the os running on the smartphones (and tablets). if you talk about the desktop ubuntu better ask in #ubuntu [02:58] oh okay thanks [02:58] I'm running on an odroid [02:59] anyways seems like I installed ubuntu-touch-session I'll go try it out laterz === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [05:01] I have ota-10 running on my BQ-4.5. Works nice so far :D [06:49] Smurphy: how reactive is the E4.5? [07:53] hello [08:03] Hi there. I'm really impressed by Ubuntu Touch but I miss Whatsapp. Do you know any workaround to make it work? [11:04] Acou_Bass: thanks. I'm finding quite a few performance issues with OTA10. If I was you, I'd stick with OTA9.1 for now [11:05] well im on an N4 anyway [11:05] so wont get 10 yet ;) [11:05] Acou_Bass: aah. Does the N4 lag behind? [11:06] not usually, but theres a bug in the N4 build thats stopped them pushing it out yet [11:12] Acou_Bass: when you finally get OTA10, would you be kind enough to append a comment to https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1555674 to state whether the browser regresses from OTA9.1 to 10? Although, to be honest, I'm not sure this is a browser-specific issue. I seem to be getting a lot of performance regressions across apps [11:12] Launchpad bug 1555674 in Oxide "Rendering is very slow when scrolling on ubuntu.com" [High,New] [11:12] sure :P [11:12] ta! [11:23] popey: do you have a link to the neat screencasting script? Does it use much CPU/memory on the device? I'm trying to track down an issue with the phone which may be memory related, and would like to have a video of the steps [11:24] http://paste.ubuntu.com/15685457/ [11:24] popey: Ta! [11:24] np [11:24] i dont see any issue scrolling ubuntu.com on my ota-10 phone [11:26] krillin? Or something with more memory? [11:27] popey: in particular, the page at http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/04/07/ubuntu-is-everywhere/ has been giving me problems with graphics popping in and out when scrolling [11:28] hm [11:28] krillin [11:28] lemme try that page [11:30] mcphail: that page scrolls fine for me [11:31] hmm. Have you been getting a lot of app crashes (? OOM) when switching between them? Or very slow performance of media-hub using apps? [11:33] not that I have noticed [11:33] you use it more than I do though right now I imagine [11:33] I've had problems from day 1 with the Gallery app performance, but this is now being duplicated in the music app. And podbird is getting killed if I get a text or phonecall. I don't know if my harware is dying... [11:34] (presumably I'll have a 1 year warranty, and my phone is 1 year + 1 week old...) [11:35] scrolling is slow for me in the messaging indicator [11:35] wonder if it uses the old list view [11:35] get about 5fps [11:35] 4 days of notifications... takes a while to get to the bottom to clear them [11:37] I think I might reflash 9.1 to see if things improve [11:44] pete-woods, hey, could you comment on bug 1567389 and say whether or not connectivity is gtg for user/pass for openvpn connections? [11:44] bug 1567389 in ubuntu-settings-components (Ubuntu) "OpenVPN connections should allow username and password" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567389 === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === _salem is now known as salem_ === sil2100 changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10 | http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet | OTA-10 out (BQ and Meizu), mako/flo phasing === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === LjL is now known as Out [14:02] Hi! [14:03] We just introduced S/MIME certificates for emails. [14:03] Does the Ubuntu phone support that? [14:03] Dekko is the mail client, right? [14:03] On Apple stuff you can import certificates. [14:04] On the Jolla phone it’s not supported by the default email application. [14:04] No idea on Android. === Out is now known as LjL [14:06] hi my friends === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:42] so, how close is ubuntu to BetterTouchTool for mac? [14:42] lack of gestures is the only reason I haven't switched yet [14:47] funny statement to make in the touch OS channel (which works *only* through gestures) [14:51] lack of gestures? huh? [14:52] PaulePanter: i don't think dekko supports gpg or smime yet; they also have a #dekko irc channel i think :) [14:53] ok, sorry [14:53] it's been a while since I checked in on this stuff [14:54] the last time I tried converting to ubuntu, lack of gestures was why I switched back [14:54] well, the touch OS only operates with gestures [14:55] (or the touch UI i shoudl say ... its the same OS after all :) ) [14:55] ok then [14:55] how close is Touch OS to bettertouchtool for mac? [14:55] dunno, never used a mac :) [14:55] that's what I've been waiting for essentially [14:56] but it was designed for tablets and phones mainly [14:56] ahhh [14:56] so am I looking for multitouch or similar? [14:56] this is my system: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP704?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US [15:03] Hi guys, I'm curious about ubuntu touch. My use case involves about 75% of the time without wifi/data. How does that work with ubuntu touch and webapps? [15:05] dobey: Understood. Thank you for the confirmation. [15:05] For business use case (and Apple parity) that’s a crucial feature in my opinion. [15:07] rdp5008: webapps don't work without network. they are just confined browsers showing a web site [15:10] bumblefuzz: if you want regular ubuntu, the support channel is #ubuntu, btw [15:10] and there are certainly touchpad gestures in unity7 [15:10] dobey so it wouldn't be a great choice for me? How about simple apps like ereader or video player? [15:11] rdp5008, there are a good bunch of native apps (the two are among them) [15:11] rdp5008: native apps should work fine [15:11] as long as they don't require talking to a web service or such [15:12] you can install uappexplorer from the store, that aloows you to filter out webapps (unlike the installed ubuntu store) [15:12] okay cool. I need to give it a go. [15:12] in case you want to make sure to have only native ones installed [15:12] how does it know what apps are webapps? [15:13] i think it checks for "webapp-container" in the .desktop or some such [15:13] there are definitely false positives for things that just use a WebView inside a QML wrapper [15:13] well i guess it doesn't do that for $$$ apps [15:14] it does it as good as it can :) === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [15:14] downloading every app and parsing things sounds nasty [15:15] well, thats just an assumption. ask the author how it actually does it in reality [15:16] well, the info isn't indexed in the store; so it's either manual data entry, or lots of extra work downloading things. either way is not fun :) [15:16] yeah [15:18] how is the native ereader app? I really like fbreader on android. something comparable that can accesss my personal opds catalog? [15:19] what are opds? [15:19] rdp5008, https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.rschroll.beru [15:20] or alternativealy: https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.docviewer [15:20] other peoples' documents ? [15:20] Hi popey! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPDS [15:21] I have my ebooks on owncloud and access them with an opds plugin for owncloud [15:21] nothing fancy. just a feed of ebooks really [15:22] oh, I'd not heard of that format [15:22] dunno if it's supported [15:22] unlikely, but you could always file a bug and we can take a look [15:22] likely needs some backend [15:22] yeah [15:23] I think it might be similar to how ebook apps access feedbooks. I'm not sure how much work is done by the app or if you just need a way to plug-in a link to a url with the feed [15:23] * ogra_ curses about firefox updates recnetly killing the whole session history [15:24] rdp5008: what format are the books actually in? epub? pdf? [15:24] after an FF restart i end up with 200 "New tab" things :/ [15:24] dboey they are mostly epub [15:25] you can definitely download them to the device then and view them locally [15:25] rdp5008: ok, they should mostly work fine in beru i guess; i don't think it or docviewer support OPDS though. there isn't special owncloud integration yet [15:27] dobey I think OPDS feeds can be generated using Calibre too. I'm new to this ebook world. I used to just use Kindle [15:28] rdp5008: i don't think it matters how the feeds are generated. i don't know if either support OPDS :) [15:28] but i guess if you don't have network most of the time, the books need to already be on the device anyway [15:28] yeah [15:32] yes, I grab wifi and download books as I can. I work offshore :( [15:32] away from home for months at a time. so cloud stuff is nice [15:33] thanks though. I think it wouldn't be too hard to implement. sounds like a fun project. [15:37] yeah, sounds like a nice feature [15:42] anddan: With ota-10, very. Smoother than with 9.1 === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader [18:24] hello! welp :D [18:25] any store people arround? :D [18:25] hi all [18:26] pixel__: you are probably best to just ask your question then anyone about that can help will [18:27] hi, is right that in the today scope I can't see any more the time of sunset and sunrise ? [18:27] does anyone know if ota 10 for nexus 4 has been released yet? [18:27] davmor2, i can't push an update i get "Status [18:27] Manual review pending" [18:27] but Automated review for version 0.195: passed [18:27] 0 Fails [18:27] 0 Warnings [18:27] 115 Passes [18:27] https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/4490/rev/195/ [18:28] pixel__: might be a permissions thing if someone is being asked to review it [18:29] sil2100: if you are about question on mako above [18:30] davmor2, it didn't asked before :D [18:30] thanks :D popey is helping me on telegram [18:30] it's in hand [18:31] popey: I was going to say your name as someone who might be able to help but thought it was friday night let him drink beer till he can't stand [18:31] popey yay :D it's just a silly update, nothing important [18:31] pidave: hey! It's released but in the phased update stage [18:31] pidave: all users should get it around tomorrow [18:32] ok that's good to hear - thank you [18:35] I'm also getting download errors when I try to download Core Apps from the store [18:35] is this a known issue? [18:38] I've even Erased and Reset - really odd - all other apps download fine [18:39] huh [18:43] pidave: which apps are those? [18:43] Calendar and Document Viewer [18:44] where have I report a OS bug? [18:44] mike00: depends which bit of the OS [18:44] mike00: whats the issue? [18:45] pidave: hm, ok so that's strange, I thought it might be related to us locking down certain clicks in staging, but we didn't do anything with the doc-viewer... [18:45] translation [18:45] pidave: could you file a bug? [18:45] mike00: can you elaborate? :) [18:45] pidave: no, it works for me [18:46] I've got to go now but yes I will look into that when I'm back online - Thanks for your time [18:46] sil2100: locking down clicks in staging? [18:46] dobey: that's how I call it, basically locking certain clicks in the upload queue and on snakefruit for click-sync to pick up [18:47] Well, anyway, unrelated [18:47] popey: what do you mean with "elaborate"? [18:47] sil2100: yeah, i don't think that's related to the problem [18:48] the scope certainly doesn't show you any apps which aren't published :) [18:49] mike00: where is the translation issue? [18:49] pidave: is your storage space full? [18:49] popey: notifications drop down menu [18:49] mike00: state the exact issue please [18:49] hi dobey - no lots of space - just completed an erase and reset as well [18:50] could it be ubuntu account related? [18:50] pidave: no, from your previous description it fails after the download finishes [18:50] mike00: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bugs [18:50] thats probably the best place then [18:50] popey: when I try to close a notification I see "delete" and not "Elimina" in Italian [18:50] ah ok that makes sense [18:51] mike00: oh, thats somewhere else [18:51] popey: so the link is wrong? [18:51] i wonder it its the image version that i have flashed to the phone? [18:51] mike00, file a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug [18:51] yeah, thats easier :) [18:51] pidave: no, shouldn't be. but i need to see the download manager logs [18:52] mike00, and add a screenshot showing where the translation is incorrect [18:52] ok sir - i'll try and get a hold of them for you [18:53] mike00, it's a general issue apparently, the string is not translated in French either. Likely something in the sdk [18:53] where have I add the screenshot? here or in the bug report? [18:53] *Italian [18:54] mike00, in the bug report [18:54] and what link shall I click? [18:55] mike00: the one from jibel [18:55] ok [19:00] mariogrip: hey. any news? :) [19:04] dobey: I did some modifying, i'm now testing if there battery is better or just the same [19:04] from what I have tester so fast, it seems to be better [19:05] cool [19:05] far* [19:05] can you update the recovery too? :) [19:06] yeah :) [19:06] yay [19:09] i wonder wtf is causing content-hub and thumbnails to be broken for me though [19:10] I submit it [19:12] hi dobey - apologies i got impatient and re-flashed the phone which dropped ota 10 on it - core apps now install from the store ok now [19:12] FYI the image i downloaded that had the issue was 28 [19:12] ok [19:13] ubuntu-touch/stable channel [19:13] a quick thanks to all - oobe is much improved and i'm noticing a speed increase and new sharpness to the display [19:13] thanks to all involved in this update [19:21] bye [19:55] anyone get the Microsoft Designer mouse to work? [19:55] it works on Android === Mick is now known as Guest1902 [19:56] lkda [19:56] sd [19:56] fasd [19:56] f [19:56] asd [19:56] fas [19:56] g [19:56] ar [19:56] hbas [19:56] help [19:56] hello? [19:56] Anyone there? [19:56] i need advice [19:57] tips [19:57] having problems installing ubuntu [19:57] ? [19:57] ? [19:57] ? [19:57] ? [19:57] ? [19:57] ? [19:57] ? [19:57] ? [19:57] ? [19:57] ? [19:57] ? [19:57] ? [19:57] [19:57] [19:57] [19:57] [19:57] [19:57] [19:57] [19:57] ????? [19:58] who is ahoneybun [19:58] hello [19:59] mm that was weird [20:00] indeed [20:00] dobey, any reason why a bluetooth mouse works in Android but not Ubuntu? [20:01] ahoneybun: i'm certain there is a reason, but i don't know it [20:01] right [20:01] my jawbone era earpiece doesn't seem to get picked up by ubuntu phone either [20:02] but i can pair it just fine to my laptop with ubuntu [20:02] but does that uses 3rd party software no? [20:02] not for pairing [20:02] they have a fancy app that shows upcoming events and such [20:03] but has nothing to do with basic bluetooth operation [20:03] oh [20:03] ahoneybun, does that mouse say it has "smart technology" [20:03] it works fine on webos on my pre3 too :) [20:03] * ahoneybun looks [20:03] which is code for low energy, which does not always work right now [20:04] pat__, says something about BlueTrack technology [20:04] that's their magic lasers thing [20:04] nothing to do with bluetooth [20:04] * ahoneybun should move to stable channel [20:04] but it could be a BLE device [20:05] I'm using a N7 if that matters [20:05] oh [20:05] I was just trying to find some bluetooth mouse [20:05] i've seen people complaining about issues with bt on flo [20:05] "stable" = 9.1 was just soooo bad [20:05] moved to rc-proposed and worked much better [20:06] ahoneybun: fwiw, lots of things that are "Bluetooth 4.x" devices, may be BLE, and i don't think will necessarily work with ubuntu phone currently [20:06] yea I've found that out the hard way lol [20:06] eh, i use rc-proposed on my n5 [20:06] I need to ask people what they use [20:06] it works great until one time you update and then it doesn't work so great :P [20:07] I kinda want to try it on my OPO but major things don't work yet [20:07] ahoneybun, that mouse is smart, le [20:07] but should be much better now that mariogrip has one and images are on ubports [20:07] yea but I like a kinda working phone [20:08] i don't know about opo [20:08] but n5 kinda works [20:08] OnePlus One [20:08] has been kinda working for like 2 years :P [20:08] yeah, i know what it is. i don't have one. :) [20:08] switching tasks on the N7 is so hard [20:08] so i can't say how well it works for using as a phone or not [20:08] it keeps going back to the home screen [20:08] *home scope [20:09] camera, video decode, gps, and bluetooth do not work YET [20:09] important things to me [20:09] at least the GPS anyway [20:09] that is life and death for me [20:10] ah, i can't play local videos on n5 either [20:10] and no bt [20:10] but camera works and gps does now too [20:10] ahoneybun: I'll try getting GPS working for you in a short time :) [20:10] but content-hub doesn't work for me and i have no idea why [20:10] Also bt for you dobey [20:10] i can take pictures all day. just can't see thumbnails or upload them in the browser [20:11] mariogrip, I know your working super hard on all your devices :) [20:11] so don't feel like I'm pressuring you [20:12] ahoneybun: ah, don't worry about that ;) [20:13] my Spigen R12E work fine dobey [20:13] mariogrip, :) [20:13] dobey: I'll debug the content-hub part now, have you seen any error that I can go from [20:15] mariogrip: only errors i've seen have been about the thumbnails. but if you just create a fake contact and try to set the picture to any random picture, it just fails and returns to the "select the app you want to use a picture from" window. don't know if you see the same or not [20:18] dobey: OH! apparmor="DENIED" [20:18] mariogrip: ? [20:18] that's why, [20:20] mariogrip: but why would unconfined apps have an apparmor denial for something they clearly have access to? [20:20] and is that actually why content-hub is failing, or is that just the thumbnailer disallowing the image? [20:21] i couldn't find why that denial was happening at all, as it makes absolutely no sense [20:21] dobey: I have no idea. yes, apparmor is disallowing access to the images yes [20:21] the same thing happens on my opo [20:22] ok [20:23] hmm. my jawbone is LE it seems :-/ [20:25] this is weird, why is apparmor denying it? [20:27] something with the kernel maybe? [20:28] though the rest of the apparmor-related stuff seems to be working ok [20:28] pat__: make LE devices work! :) [22:02] mariogrip: what's the command to flash opo with ota-10? [22:10] popey: sudo ubuntu-device-flash --server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable --device=bacon --bootstrap [22:10] mariogrip: thanks [22:10] np :) [22:10] i find it hard to get my opo to retain a charge [22:11] is the battery life better now? :) [22:12] popey: oh, my opo seems to be holding 2-3 days no problem, but mine has no sim [22:12] wow, the screen on my opo is knackered [22:13] popey: the 5.1 images is really bad battery life, are you using them? [22:13] no [22:14] is there a sim in it? [22:14] how bad is the battery life? [22:14] no [22:15] less than a day [22:15] what channel are you on? [22:15] same one you originally helped me install [22:15] never had any updates [22:15] oh? [22:16] that's stable channel then? [22:16] channel: ubuntu-touch/stable [22:16] version version: 9 [22:17] could you update to v10 and see if the update to v11 works (v11 is OTA-10) [22:17] (if you have time) [22:17] sure [22:18] sudo ubuntu-device-flash --server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable --device=bacon --revision=10 [22:18] ^ ? [22:18] also, why sudo? [22:18] yes, and due to fastboot [22:18] udev rules [22:18] k [22:19] downloading now [22:19] awesome, thanks :) [22:22] hey guys, slightly dumb question possibly... is it possible to package a webapp on ubuntu touch and *not* submit it to the store? [22:22] sure [22:22] you can sideload clicks [22:22] ahh, so just make a click but then dont submit it :D [22:22] ya [22:22] cool thanks :D its not that i dont want to share the love, its just a very specific app for a small community and so doesnt really make sense to publish it [22:23] sure [22:23] i have webapps on my device that i never pushed to the store [22:23] wish the browser let us make them on-device without making a click [22:23] yeah thatd be great, firefox os-style [22:24] mariogrip: how long should I expect it to sit at the oneplus logo? [22:24] max 20 seconds [22:25] been a couple of mins [22:25] oh, wait it's flashing issint+ [22:25] its in recovery mode [22:25] then give it 7 mins [22:26] the all new recovery is coming when i release 5.1 btw :) [22:26] then this issue will be fixed [22:26] adb shell in and it doesnt appear to be doing much [22:27] then just reboot it [22:30] ok [22:31] it rebooted into recovery again [22:34] popey: then it didn't flash finish i guess [22:34] I think you need to redo it then [22:34] k [22:35] didnt bootstrap, wanted to keep stuff [22:35] do i have to bootstrap? === salem_ is now known as _salem [22:35] popey: no, it should work without [22:39] dobey: I think I found the issue with the n5 on why it uses so much battery, it tries to suspend but it immediately wakes up again (or it fails to suspend) [22:44]