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Kilosmorning all 05:12
Kiloshi TheMurdz 05:12
Kilosnice to see you back again05:13
KilosMaaz coffee on05:15
* Maaz flips the salt-timer05:15
Kiloshi inetpro Private_User theblazehen 05:16
TheMurdzMorning! Thanks, 05:17
TheMurdzOh, Happy RO Friday.05:17
Kiloswhats that05:17
TheMurdzRead Only Friday05:17
Kiloshaha05:17
TheMurdzDon't break ANYTHING.05:17
Kilossince ive installed kubuntu 14.04 on this lappy it hasnt broken once nyet05:18
Kilosyrt05:18
Kilosyet05:18
Kiloswhen i used old drives on the desktop things broke often05:19
TheMurdzOh gosh, bad drives?05:19
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!05:19
Kilosyeah05:20
superflyTheMurdz: is it OK if I break CI today? 05:24
superflyJust for a little while. Then I'll fix it. 05:24
TheMurdzDo it just for the fun. :)05:40
TheMurdzI wanna see heads on fire.05:40
mazalMornings06:02
mazalmaaz tell Kilos I have good news and bad news06:02
Maazmazal: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode06:02
theblazehenhey Kilos, others06:34
Kiloshi mazal theblazehen 06:39
MaazKilos: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell Kilos I have good news and bad news" 36 minutes and 14 seconds ago06:39
Kiloswhat news mazal 06:39
mazalMore oom , morning theblazehen06:39
Kilossorry i was talking to my girls06:39
theblazehenhi mazal06:39
mazalKilos: I tested my sim in my 3g dongle last night06:39
Kilosyes?06:40
Kilosand it works?06:40
mazalGood news first. The signal is only 2 bars , but I could at least read mail and open web sites.06:40
mazalAlthough it is only a 2 bar signal it is HDu something quality. So speed wise something I can live with06:40
mazalFor basics anyway. Can't do big download or updates06:40
Kilosok06:41
mazalBad news: Extremely expensive. It's not a real option06:41
mazalI was connected for 15 min , cost me R2506:41
Kilosman you must use it only for mail and im06:41
mazalOnly read email and opened 1 web site for 2 minutes06:41
theblazehenmazal: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_3G_Modem#Low_connection_speed have you tried this?06:41
mazalStill , just with that 80mb was used06:41
Kilosdid you get a data bundle or use airtime06:41
mazalI paid R60 for only 250mb , so it actually cost me R30 just to read my mail and open a page06:42
Kilosairtime disappears very fast06:42
mazalData bundle06:42
Kilosvodacom?06:42
mazalSo , for interim I will do that just to quickly catch up with mail and do internet banking at least06:42
Kilostelkom bundles are much cheaper06:42
mazalThe good news is , that even with only 2 bar signal the speed was workable06:43
mazalSo , if MTN could be the same at least and not worse , then Afrihost becomes a real option06:43
Kilos250meg is R3906:43
mazalStill not tested a MTN device at my place , still looking for someone06:43
Kilosok06:44
Kilosget a telkom sim  and try it there06:44
mazalAt least there is a little light for mobile solution. I will never be able to have the network I did and do the things I did before , but at least I will be able to do basics06:44
Kilosthey only about R506:44
mazalThe major problem still persist though , no routers anywhere06:45
Kiloswow06:45
mazalNow a question , how well does these dongles work with Ubuntu ?06:45
Kiloseasy06:45
mazalconfigure/stability/speed/software/drivers wise06:45
Kilosnm does it all06:45
mazalOn my Win 7 machine it was litterally plug and play06:46
mazalWhat's nm ?06:46
Kilosit sees the dongle then you just go next next next06:46
Kilosnetwork manager06:46
mazalOk , so that is good news also at least06:46
mazalSo now my plan forward :06:46
Kilosthe icon on the bar06:46
mazalI will wait until wednesday for Telkom mobile as they are by far the cheapest and best signal. If they still can'r help me though I am thinking to tear up that application and go with Afrihost06:47
* chesedo just waves morning to all as to not interupt the conversation o/06:47
mazalAfrihost much more expensive , but I need service06:47
mazalHi chesedo06:47
mazalBUT , here is the major flaw in that plan: Afrihost also don't have routers06:48
Kilosjust get a telkom sim and try it in your dongle06:48
mazalNo06:48
Kiloswhy06:48
mazalThe dongle is not a long term solution06:48
Kilosive been using one for years06:48
mazalI need a ethernet router06:48
Kilosoh ya06:48
mazalI don't have just the pc , have 4 devices that needs connectivity06:49
mazalThat little dongle is just for interim now06:49
Kilosok06:49
mazalIf it wasn't for that I would have been fine long ago , Telkom has a ton of those Mickey mouse wi-fi routers06:49
Kilos4 devices are going to eat data06:49
mazalBut that won't work in my setup06:49
Kilostelkom supply the d-links06:50
mazalI tried wi-fi once in my pc , never again. Complete crap.06:50
Kilosi find it slow as well06:50
Kilosthats why i have dongle in the laptop06:51
mazalYep. And speed gets devided for every device that connects etc. Is just too crappy06:51
Kiloswell at least you have sorted a connection for in the meantime06:51
Kilosmeeting on the 22nd06:52
Kilosi need to go do chores06:52
Kiloswbb06:52
mazalIf I only had a pac I would have taken the dongle route with 30gig and would have been online long ago. But ya , that's just the bad luck now that 1. Manufactureres of 3g routers don't make proper ones with ethernet and 2. The only one that does is out of stock06:52
KilosMaaz watch them06:52
Maazoh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon!06:52
Kilosai!07:01
theblazehenhi Sxuza07:03
Kilosmazal whats a pac07:13
Kilosoh07:13
Kilosonly a pc07:14
mazalpc\07:17
mazalpc07:17
Kiloslol07:17
magespawngood morning07:27
magespawnMaaz weather Pretoria07:27
Maazmagespawn: In Waterkloof, South Africa at 9:00 AM SAST on April 08, 2016: 15°C; Humidity: 6°C; Wind: km/h; Conditions: ; Sunrise/set: 6:19 AM SAST/5:58 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 7:10 AM SAST/6:59 PM SAST07:27
Kiloshi magespawn 07:28
magespawnhi Kilos 07:28
magespawnis that accurate?07:28
Kilosits above 15 now07:28
Kilosbut 6 tonight could be07:29
magespawni am going tohave to pack every warm thing i own07:29
Kiloslol07:29
KilosFriday: Overcast. High: 19° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 10° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 22° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 12° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 26° C., Sunday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 12° C., Monday: Clear. High: 26° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 13° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 28° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 14° C.,07:30
Sxuzais that JHB Kilos  ?07:34
Kiloshi Wolfeyes 07:34
Kilospretoria Sxuza 07:34
KilosMaaz forecast johannesburg south africa07:35
MaazKilos: Friday: Overcast. High: 16° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 9° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 21° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 11° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 23° C., Sunday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 11° C., Monday: Clear. High: 24° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 12° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 26° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 13°07:35
MaazC., Wednesday: Clear. High: 26° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low: 13° C., Thursday: Cle…07:35
Wolfeyesmorning everyone and Kilos07:42
Kiloshi bushtech 07:51
bushtechhi Kilos others07:54
pavlushkaHi dears!08:01
mazaloom Kilos: I have more news08:08
Kilostell mazal 08:08
mazalI am STUNNED !!!!!08:08
Kilosrouters arrived08:09
mazalSo , barry brought his old MTN router to work from when he still was with them08:09
mazalWe went to my home now to test it ( to see the MTN signal )08:09
Kilosok08:09
mazal8.4mb down and 2.5mb up08:10
mazalI couldn't believe my eyes08:10
Kilosgreat08:10
mazalThat's with a signal jumping between 1 and 2 bars only08:10
Kilosthen you can go with afrihost08:10
mazalOnly prob with that , they have 4 times less data fro the same price :(08:10
mazalSo I need to think clearly on this and take my time08:11
mazalNot make a wrong choice.08:11
mazalBut yes , now I have physical tested info that Afrihost is a real option08:11
mazalSo from the 3 tested , signal wise it's Best MTN , 2nd Telkom , 3rd Vodacom08:12
mazalBut data wise Telkom by far best08:13
Kilosthere was a mail the other day  offering 15g08:14
Kilosinetpro will remember08:15
mazalThat's the one I was looking at yesterday08:15
mazalR497 for 15gig. Data only , no router , no midnight double data08:15
Kilosyou just have to learn to download less08:16
mazalTelscum R530 , 30gig anytime , 30gig midnight and a router08:16
mazalSo afrihost 4 times less for almost same price. That's a BIG difference08:16
Kilosim happy with telkom mobile08:16
Kilosone has to decide what easiest on the pocket as well08:17
Kilosthe money tree is dead08:18
thatgraemeguymazal_: afrihost also have the afrihost plus add-on for R99 which doubles your data08:21
thatgraemeguyits definitely good value for larger packages08:22
thatgraemeguyI think on anything over 3GB package having that add-on makes sense08:22
thatgraemeguyfor example, 8GB afrihost is R397. with afrihost plus you pay R99 more (R496 total) for 16GB08:23
bushtechis that afrihost deal contract or pay as u go?08:25
mazal_thatgraemeguy: Thanx for that info08:26
thatgraemeguymonth-to-month, afrihost don't do contracts on any of their products08:26
bushtechthatgraemeguy: Thanks. Thats great gonna look at it08:27
thatgraemeguythe afrihost plus thing includes a few extras but doubleing the data is by far the most valuable08:27
mazal_Sjoe , I dunno what to do08:28
thatgraemeguyhow much are you willing to spend?08:28
mazal_It's more a matter of how much data I need to sustain what I do08:28
mazal_So , life style changes is also a factor here08:29
thatgraemeguyno, when it comes to mobile, its a matter of how much you want to spend ;-)08:29
Kiloslol08:29
mazal_thatgraemeguy: I can't really go over R600. That's what my adsl limit also was08:29
thatgraemeguyunless you don't mind spending R1000+, you need to limit internet activity on mobile08:29
thatgraemeguydoes 600 include paying off a device over 12 months or are you going to purchase that cash once-off?08:30
mazal_That's where Telscum is also best , includes device. Afrihost don't08:30
thatgraemeguyafrihost sell devices08:30
thatgraemeguytelkom don't "include" it, you pay for it make no mistake08:31
mazal_Yes I know , but that's my point. Their monthly payment is almost the same for a device and 4x the data08:31
thatgraemeguymeh, ok do what you want, doesn't sound like you need help after all08:32
mazal_The device is included in the payment which makes the price of the data even cheaper08:32
mazal_But I am looking purely at data. I will buy a device if needs be , that's a once off08:32
mazal_So is basically 30 @ R600 vs 60 @R53008:33
mazal_I need to decide if 30 will do basically08:33
mazal_And the fact that the MTN signal kicks ass by far I must also concider08:34
Kilosai! decisions decisions08:35
thatgraemeguyif mobile deals started offering unmetered after-hours data like capped ADSL accounts mostly do, I'd be in08:35
thatgraemeguyI only use about 30-40GB on average of my capped portion08:36
mazal_Fact is , with 30 what I do becomes a factor , cos I can't sustain with 3008:36
mazal_My average was 50 anytime and about 20 midnight08:36
mazal_So I will think long and hard this weekend on my hobbies and what I am willing to sacrifise08:36
mazal_Correction , the Afrihost R497 is only 10gig , not 15 :(08:48
mazal_TheMurdz you around ?08:56
TheMurdzYes sir!08:56
TheMurdzWhat's up08:56
mazal_Can I ask a question , re the mobile please08:56
TheMurdzSure, I'll answer the best I can. Ask away.08:56
mazal_I already have an Afrihost account that I previously used for adsl08:56
mazal_Now if I want mobile , to I just add a mobile package of my choice ? I don't see a selection for sim also , will the guys that side know it needs a sim as well ?08:57
mazal_Not sure about that part08:57
TheMurdzYou just want data right?08:58
TheMurdzSIM + Data plan?08:58
mazal_That's correct08:58
TheMurdzHere's the section for Mobile Data https://www.afrihost.com/site/product/mobile_data?src=website_nav 08:59
TheMurdzGo there, Order, Then before the order completes you'll select the SIM08:59
mazal_I logged in on my control panel , selected mobile plans , selected month-to-month data - then click on one. It shows price but not whether sim is included or not. Does it automatically include sim ?08:59
mazal_Ok , lemme see09:00
TheMurdzYEs, the sim is included by default09:00
TheMurdzIt'll just ask you to select the SIM size you'd like before the order completes. 09:00
mazal_And the sim comes with courier yes ?09:00
TheMurdzCorrect.09:00
mazal_Thanx a lot ;)09:00
mazal_I am so glad you are here hehehehe09:00
TheMurdzAlso, the courier will do RICA on the spot, so just make sure you have your docs ready for RICA09:00
TheMurdzhaha, cool cool.09:00
inetprohmm... 09:01
inetprois it Friday yet?09:01
inetprogood mornings09:01
TheMurdzMorning! It's finally FRIDAY!09:02
Kiloshi inetpro 09:02
Kilosbbl going for clearance09:05
TheMurdz_It's Friday, and they decide it's the best time to do Generator maintenance. I'm sorry to all those stuck in the bathroom when the lights go off >..>09:08
* TheMurdz sighs09:22
mazal_TheMurdz: Thanx , order placed , found all relevant info09:28
TheMurdzSweet. 09:28
mazal_Here's hoping I stop struggling now for a change09:29
mazal_bye for now all09:37
mazal_Have a nice weekend09:37
chesedoai, the poor guy never took a proper look at wisp09:46
chesedo*s09:46
inetpro04/08 08:41 <mazal> Only read email and opened 1 web site for 2 minutes10:32
inetpro04/08 08:41 <mazal> Still , just with that 80mb was used10:32
inetproKilos: the poor dude will have to learn from you how to limit usage of data10:32
inetprowith 80MB in 2 minutes for just 1 website and emails there's something major wrong with how he does things10:33
TheMurdzMay need to recommend Nethogs to Mazal, Just thought of a quick search (Assuming he's on buntu) http://askubuntu.com/questions/532424/how-to-monitor-bandwidth-usage10:37
TheMurdzHmmm, Maybe not. It's not as nice as I thought it would be. Maybe something like GlassWire (Windows) if so.10:40
* TheMurdz gets excited for Bash on Ubuntu on Windows10:40
Wolfeyesdoes the website have a video in it mazal, or maybe something which is constantly updating data ?10:40
TheMurdz@Wolfeyes, Mazal's offline :(10:41
Wolfeyesyeah I saw when I typed in the name, will resend to him when I see him again.10:41
chesedonethogs is nice for monitoring current usage10:44
inetprohmm... 11:00
inetproKilos: and he leaves even earlier on a Friday as well?11:00
inetprojust as I wanted to thank him about nethogs11:01
inetprochesedo: nice command indeed!11:01
inetprowould just be nice if one could see accumulative usage over a period of time11:04
chesedoinetpro: think it's more that generator maintenance that he mentioned11:04
inetprochesedo: generator maintenance?11:06
chesedo[11:08:23] <TheMurdz_> It's Friday, and they decide it's the best time to do Generator maintenance. I'm sorry to all those stuck in the bathroom when the lights go off >..>11:07
chesedohe lost connection after that too11:07
inetproahh... 11:08
inetprothanks chesedo11:08
* inetpro clearly not reading it all today11:08
inetproand oom Kilos must be sleeping again as well11:09
inetproand as usual perhaps :-)11:09
chesedoguess we will know the accuracy of that based on his reponse time :D11:14
inetprochesedo: trace mode is nice11:28
inetprowith nethogs11:28
chesedoinetpro: have never tried it11:28
chesedobeen a while since i've used it11:29
inetprothen again, difficult to read at normal refresh rate and inaccurate by the looks of it when setting a delay11:29
Kiloshmm...11:53
Kilosjust got back from fetching my clearance certificate11:53
chesedolol11:53
inetproaha11:59
inetprosorry Kilos!11:59
Kiloslol np12:01
pavlushkahi inetpro!!!12:11
pavlushkaand Hi Kilos !12:11
inetpropavlushka: eh, hello12:12
Kiloshi pavlushka 12:12
pavlushkainetpro, are you testing 16.04?12:12
magespawninetpro have you tried etherape? similar to nethogs12:18
pavlushkaHi magespawn!12:24
magespawnahh, hi pavlushka 12:25
pavlushkaHow are you?12:25
magespawngood and you12:25
magespawn?12:25
superfly.12:28
inetpro#12:29
chesedo?12:30
Kilos!12:30
bushtech!!12:30
KilosMaaz coffee on12:31
* Maaz starts grinding coffee12:31
chesedoMaaz: tee please12:32
Maazchesedo: What?12:32
chesedobrr forgot12:32
Kilosyea12:32
Kilostea12:32
chesedoMaaz: milo please12:32
Maazchesedo: Huh?12:32
chesedoMaaz: hot chocolate please12:32
Maazchesedo: *blink*12:32
chesedoMaaz: coffee please12:32
Maazchesedo: Yessir12:32
chesedoMaaz: with milk12:33
MaazHaha chesedo You aren't one of those that needs to drink black coffee to be able to cast a shadow!12:33
superflyMaaz: tea please12:33
MaazAs soon as the kettle boils superfly I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already12:33
chesedoMaaz: if you say so12:33
Maazchesedo: Excuse me?12:33
superflyMaaz: I don't have a tea bag12:33
Maazsuperfly: Got it12:33
superflyMaaz: I12:33
Maazsuperfly: I do not know12:33
superflyMaaz: I don't12:33
Maazsuperfly: I don't have a tea bag12:33
chesedohahaha12:33
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos and chesedo!12:35
Kiloslol12:35
KilosMaaz ty12:35
MaazYou are welcome Kilos12:35
superflyMaaz: Where's my tea?12:36
Maazsuperfly: Huh?12:36
superflyMaaz: I said, where's my tea?12:36
Maazsuperfly: What?12:36
chesedoMaaz: ty12:37
MaazYou are welcome chesedo12:37
pavlushkamagespawn, sorry, I am fine and sorry.12:40
magespawnno worries pavlushka 12:41
pavlushkainetpro, you told me you are not a developer, me neither, just asking.12:42
pavlushkahi chesedo !12:42
chesedohi pavlushka12:42
chesedobut aren't you learning python12:42
chesedo?12:43
pavlushkachesedo, it's still in the learning phase.13:00
pavlushkamaaz coffee for Kilos13:01
Maazpavlushka: Excuse me?13:01
pavlushkaMaaz, you are excused.13:02
Maazpavlushka: I already know stuff about you13:02
Kilospavlushka have you started learning python or started thinking aout it13:02
pavlushkatrying to find a way for lpi.org and bought a printer to print python books trust me Kilos , coz I tried with soft books earlier but kinda difficult.13:04
pavlushkameanwhile doing some Ubuntu translations.13:05
pavlushkaand to make it more difficult, power system is acting rough.13:08
Kiloseish13:08
pavlushkaHi superfly !13:19
magespawnlater home time14:02
inetproKilos: go check on mattermost15:01
Kilosok15:01
Kilosinetpro i forget who he is15:05
Kilosjust remember the nick15:05
inetproKilos: you forgot wasbeer? Really!?15:05
Kiloshis real name man15:05
* inetpro goes to look for the grease15:06
Kilosai!15:06
Kilospain pills work better15:06
inetproKilos: the guy who also used to be in the Afrikaans channel15:07
inetproone of the old translate.org.za guys15:07
KilosMaaz coffee on15:15
* Maaz washes some mugs15:15
KilosMaaz hurry15:18
MaazMaking decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed15:18
inetproMaaz: coffee please15:18
Maazinetpro: Sure15:18
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!15:19
KilosMaaz thanks15:19
MaazKilos: No problem15:19
inetproMaaz: dankie15:30
MaazGroot plesier inetpro my vriend15:30
Kiloshi fusionsparc 16:00
fusionsparcHi Kilos, you been well?16:06
Kilosyes ty and you?16:06
fusionsparcWell enough.. :)16:06
Kiloswhere the clever guys16:07
fusionsparcAtleast it is weekend.16:07
KilosHP PSC 1510 All in one with no cartridge in, how do i get past the print setup and scan only16:08
fusionsparcHmmm...as far as I know you can't do anything untill you replace those cartrages.16:09
Kiloseish i want to scan 2 pages. waste of money to buy cartridges that will never be used16:10
Kilosthey should put a print section off button o the thing16:11
fusionsparcCartrages are pricey indeed..:/16:12
Kilosand the printer neve gets used so thats even more of a waste16:13
fusionsparcI would think.16:17
fusionsparcNot a fan of ink printers by default..16:18
fusionsparchttp://www.fixyourownprinter.com/posts/6203316:22
Kilosty lemme see16:22
fusionsparcHave a look at the 4th response...Might help..16:22
inetproKilos: use your mobile phone for scanning16:25
inetproyou don't need a scanner16:25
Kilosjust take a pic?16:25
inetprotake a pic is one option16:26
Kilosand the other?16:26
inetprobut there's apps like CamScanner that cleans up a pic like a real scanner16:26
Kilosi got old nokia mas16:26
Kilosman16:26
Kilossms and call16:27
Kilosthe clearance certificate must be clear and readable16:27
inetproyikes! No Android phone there?16:28
Kilosnope16:28
* inetpro hangs his head in disapointment 16:28
Kilosian just said he will bring his scanner the weekend16:29
Kilosyay16:29
Kilosbut i wanna try fix this thing so sis can scan with it16:29
Kilossimple-san sees it but it cant scan16:30
Kilossigh16:30
pavlushkaHi Kilos  I am back agn.16:31
pavlushkawith electricity16:31
Kiloshi pavlushka 16:31
pavlushkahey, can you tell me the details of the scanner?16:32
pavlushkaI missed.16:32
bushtechis the scanner correctly identified in Preferences?16:36
pavlushkafor any kind of scanner in linux, the 2nd best solution is "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rolfbensch/sane-git",then "sudo apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade"16:38
kulelu88be careful about adding random PPAs16:39
pavlushkaits tested, I am using it, its from the SANE stuff.16:39
pavlushkaSANE staff.16:42
KilosHP PSC 1510 All in one with no cartridge in,16:42
Kiloscant scan until crtridge is aligned or something16:42
inetproKilos: surely you do not need cartridge to scan?16:43
Kilosflashing light saying check printer cartridge16:43
pavlushkaHP directly supports SANE but not cartridges.16:43
kulelu88that's not a linux issue16:43
kulelu88that's an asshole-HP issue16:43
pavlushkaKilos, listen to inetpro 16:44
* inetpro agrees with kulelu88, if it's really like that16:44
Kilosno its the print scan thing first want to do its own setup before working16:44
Kilosinternet full of complaints16:44
kulelu88if cartridge == empty: allfunctions = NULL16:44
inetproit should work independently really16:44
inetproI don't believe those HP guys are that bad16:44
pavlushkaagrees with inetpro !16:44
Kiloskulelu88 run that in terminal?16:45
kulelu88try hitting the cancel button16:45
Kilosi did it goes back to check cartridge16:46
Kilosnthing else works16:46
kulelu88are there empty cartridges inside?16:47
kulelu88you could just buy a cartridge ...16:47
Kilosill check that16:48
pavlushkaKilos, this? https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2010/08/03/86616479-bb7b-11e2-8a8e-0291187978f3/thumbnail/770x433/20453e77bb4cdb2261ca115dda6089fd/31432099-2-440-overview-1.gif16:48
Kilosyes16:48
pavlushkaKilos, put the paper on the scanner section , that should do the scan, the printer section is different.16:49
Kilosi have but ill try again16:49
Kilosnope simple-scan says failed to scan16:54
pavlushkado you have hplip installed in kubuntu?16:55
Kiloslet me see16:55
Kilosyes16:56
pavlushkahave you tried gscan2pdf?17:00
Kiloswhat is that17:00
pavlushkaits better than simple-scan17:00
Kilosa command?17:00
pavlushkascanner frontend, package17:00
Kilosi have to go eat17:00
Kiloswbb17:00
Kilosty for the help 17:01
pavlushkaHey inetpro , hp says http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/psc/psc_1510_series.html17:04
pavlushkaDamn cartridges!17:06
pavlushkaI dont know.17:06
pavlushkabut here's a solution for glasswire http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/posts/6203317:10
pavlushkasorry for the last link17:15
inetpropavlushka: dinner time is family time, I'll chat later, sorry17:16
pavlushkayou talked, its great, Enjoy your Dinner!17:19
superflyOhi17:23
pavlushkaHi superfly !17:27
pavlushkaand kulelu88 , seems you are right.17:28
superflykulelu88 is always right 17:29
superflyUhoh17:30
pavlushkathat is great, I'll never doubt again. though HP says in windows, there's a workaround.17:30
Kiloshi Wolfeyes_is 17:31
pavlushkaHi Wolfeyes_is !!!17:31
=== Wolfeyes_is is now known as Wolfeyes
Wolfeyesheya Kilos, pavlushka17:32
Kiloswhat was kulelu88 right about?17:32
pavlushkathat the workaround does not work for MAC or linux.17:33
Kilosah17:33
pavlushkahis lines "if cartridge == empty: allfunctions = NULL"17:34
Kilosoh was that for windows17:34
pavlushkanot exactly17:35
pavlushkabut dont you have even an ink less cartridge?17:35
Kilosi dont even know where they are17:35
pavlushkajust to fool the printer.17:36
KilosWolfeyes will bring his scanner tomorrow17:36
Kilosill ask my sister to look when she has time17:36
pavlushkaproblem solved, Wolfeyes works better than HP.17:36
WolfeyesWhich reminds me - drivers17:36
Wolfeyesha ha ha ha17:37
Kilosoh my17:37
pavlushkaKilos, either way , you have to download something.17:37
WolfeyesI got data will download them, for you, if you on windows, shouldn't need it for ubuntu. Depends if it has drivers inside.17:38
Kilosthats fine i need the scans17:38
KilosWolfeyes have you used it with 14.0417:38
pavlushkaKilos, please check if you have sane package installed.17:38
Kilosdid you have that same hassle getting frivers?17:39
pavlushka^17:39
pavlushkaasking me?17:39
Kilosinstalling it now17:40
pavlushkaKilos, and you have to add that ppa.17:40
pavlushkaI had to compile the driver from source.17:41
Wolfeyesno I haven't17:41
Wolfeyesnot een tried17:41
Wolfeyeseven* even17:41
pavlushkaWolfeyes, have you watched even Steven?17:42
WolfeyesNope17:43
WolfeyesHave you watched Lucy?17:43
pavlushkame neither, lol17:43
pavlushkathe movie?17:43
WolfeyesYes17:43
pavlushkaYes.17:43
pavlushkaLucy transformed into a big giant server.17:44
pavlushkano?17:45
WolfeyesDon't think she was transformed, just opened more doors to her mind that we been told have been shut or not possible to open. Which lifts the level of conscious, to another form of energy or vibration.17:46
WolfeyesI think we always had it, have it.17:47
pavlushkabut I wished that lol17:47
kulelu88*hat tip* for being right on the internet17:48
pavlushkaWolfeyes, your lines goes over my head.17:48
pavlushkakulelu88's too17:48
WolfeyesThen you better catch it. Lol.17:49
WolfeyesHe is bowing in acceptance of getting the solution to the problem.17:49
Wolfeyestipping or tilting the hat in acknowledgement.17:49
pavlushkaAh! get it, thanks kulelu88 !17:50
pavlushkaand Wolfeyes , thanks for the interpretation.17:50
WolfeyesYw.17:50
kulelu88pavlushka: are you not internet speak?17:50
pavlushkaI am not sure, still learning from Kilos 17:51
kulelu88how young are you? pavlushka 17:51
pavlushkaaround 30, a bit old.17:52
pavlushkabut in mind, still a kid, haven't grown up.17:52
Kilosthat gscan2pdf also does scan17:53
Kilosprinter mode locked in that thing17:54
kulelu88aah, you should know some internet speak. Do you know: afk, AFAIK, IIRC ?17:54
pavlushkaKilos, you mean it works?17:54
Kilosnono sorry it doesnt work17:54
pavlushkakulelu88, I know as soon as ASAP, for your FYI, ...etc17:55
Kiloserror message is device busy17:55
WolfeyesThere is so many now kulelu88 I stopped keeping track...17:56
kulelu88which new 1s are there? Wolfeyes 17:56
pavlushkathere is some new old ones.17:57
kulelu88superfly: do you know of a self-contained JS MVC framework? 17:57
pavlushkaKilos, you wanna try windows for that specific purpose?17:57
Kilosno ty17:57
kulelu88if scanning is a priority, spinning up a Windows VM might save you time17:58
superflykulelu88: in what way do you mean "self-contained"?17:58
kulelu88superfly: something that doesn't need me to install 643 dependencies via npm17:58
WolfeyesI was reffering to the ones you spoke about, kulelu88 the last two are new to me, I stopped chatting as it took to much of my time.17:58
Kiloson the net many peeps with windows complain about the same problem17:58
superflykulelu88: then no, sorry.17:58
superflykulelu88: that's the nature of JS development these days, it's a mess. Because JavaScript.17:59
kulelu88superfly: I am trying to build a UI for my todo.txt webapp17:59
Kilosas far as i know 17:59
Kilosand17:59
Kilosif i remember correctly17:59
superflykulelu88: I've used AngularJS, but there's also Ember and Backbone. Look at those two.17:59
kulelu88superfly: this is feature-complete: http://todo.martinsgill.co.uk/ , but the guy doesn't want to make it responsive18:00
superflykulelu88: if you want responsive, then you want Bootstrap, not an MVC framework18:01
kulelu88to bootstrapify that, will it be more hard than to write my own implementation? superfly 18:02
superflykulelu88: yes.18:02
superflywell, I can't say for certain, but it probably will be.18:02
kulelu88this is the code: https://github.com/MartinSGill/TodoTxtJs/tree/master/WebApp/src18:03
kulelu88well I can hack through it18:03
superflykulelu88: with bootstrap it's *mostly* the HTML you need to change18:04
kulelu88so I just put in the bootstrap CSS dependency and then adjust the HTML to use bootstrap instead?18:05
inetprooops!18:12
inetproso kulelu88 was also right about asshole-HP?18:13
kulelu88we should twitter that tag that. #asshole-HP18:13
inetprothat is just sad, really18:13
Kilosvery18:14
* Kilos cries18:14
inetprounbelievable that anyone should ever do something like that18:14
inetproanyway, there still is another solution as well, at least in principle18:15
Kilostell18:15
inetproa scanner is just a camera18:15
Kilosgood quality one18:15
inetprothe processing of an image to make it look good happens through software on the PC18:15
inetpromobile phone cameras are not bad these days, unless you really have one of those useless devices from teh days of yonder18:16
inetprothe*18:17
Kiloshaha18:17
pavlushkaKilos, might have Nokia old ones.18:17
inetpropavlushka: I'm sure it's not that old18:18
pavlushkaYeah, Nokia's camera's were good even in the old one's.18:18
pavlushkanot that old one's18:19
inetproI would be surprised if he managed to keep one of them old devices going after all these years18:19
inetprosurely as good as those batteries were, you probably won't get them any more18:20
inetprorephrase: surely as good as those batteries were for a device in those years18:20
inetprothose batteries lasted for a week or longer at the time18:21
pavlushkahere, we can still have some new low config battery efficient Nokia phones.18:21
inetprobut those devices did eat a lot of power either18:21
inetprodid not*18:21
inetproanyway, all we need is scanner software where you can import an image from a pic18:22
pavlushkayeah18:23
pavlushkaSo where is our Kilos ?18:23
Kiloshere18:23
inetproyou can take nice quality pictures with a low quality camera with clever lighting techniques18:24
KilosWolfeyes will bring his scanner tomorrow18:24
pavlushkalol18:24
inetproai!18:24
Kiloswhat clever lighting18:24
inetpropavlushka: he doesn't he want to try?18:24
* pavlushka still laughing!18:24
pavlushkainetpro, well if you have a person as workaround!18:25
Kilosthe things is with a fone camera it doesnt show a full a4 page perfectly18:25
Kilosyou need to be too close to get a readable document18:26
inetproKilos, Kilos, Kilos... that's what the scanner software is good at18:26
Kilosoh18:26
Kilosso where does one put the clever lighting18:26
inetproKilos: forget about that for now18:27
Kilosok18:27
inetprotry the principle matter first18:27
inetproproof of concept18:27
Kilostake a pic?18:27
inetprono18:27
Kilosai!18:28
inetprofind scanner image processing software that can process any image18:28
Wolfeyesor I can just take a pic with a samsung18:29
Kilosinetpro now you wanna spend hours sorting something out for 2 pages18:30
inetprorephrase: find scanner image processing software that can process a image from a piece of paper taken by a camera18:30
inetprohours?18:31
inetproreally?18:31
Kilosi dunno18:31
inetproshould take you no longer than 5 minutes if it works18:31
pavlushkainetpro, I see a little of myself in you.18:31
Kilosyou normally feed titbits that takes me days to sort out18:32
WolfeyesI think he was reffering to getting it working inetpro18:32
Wolfeyeslol18:32
inetpropavlushka: haha18:32
inetpropavlushka: just a little :-)18:32
pavlushkaIf I say a lot, that will be bragging!18:33
inetprolol18:35
inetpropavlushka: that sounds like a compliment, thank you18:35
pavlushkainetpro, my intention was so! you are welcome!18:35
Kilosthe pro is my mentor pavlushka 18:36
inetpropavlushka: how about we try http://gscan2pdf.sourceforge.net/ ?18:36
Kilosbut he isnt having much success18:36
Kilosi have that inetpro 18:36
pavlushkaKilos, lol @ that18:37
inetprosudo apt install gscan2pdf18:37
pavlushkaI have that installed, tell Kilos !18:37
Kilosit also cant see the scanner18:37
Kilosinetpro i have that installed18:37
inetproyikes! That has a lot of dependancies18:38
Kilosyes many18:38
Kilosall installed18:38
* inetpro will abstain18:39
Kilosai!18:40
Kiloswhat must i do with it man18:40
inetpropavlushka: if you have it, could you try it there?18:40
pavlushkaa liitle problem, I have to boot into 14.04, because 16.04 supports minimal.18:41
pavlushkagive me some moment for that.18:41
pavlushkawbb18:41
magespawngood evening18:44
magespawnMaaz weather Johannesburg18:45
Maazmagespawn: Too many places match Johannesburg: Johannesburg, California; Johannesburg, Michigan and Johannesburg, South Africa18:45
magespawnMaaz weather Johannesburg, South Africa18:45
Maazmagespawn: In Johannesburg, South Africa at 8:30 PM SAST on April 08, 2016: 15°C; Humidity: 59%; Wind: NNW at 17 km/h; Conditions: Clear; Sunrise/set: 6:19 AM SAST/5:57 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 7:10 AM SAST/6:59 PM SAST18:45
fusionsparcnight guys...18:47
pavlushkayes inetpro , tell me18:48
inetpropavlushka: hmm.... I don't know what to do really, I don't have the software to look at all the options18:49
inetprobut let me try to explain my thinking process18:50
inetprofirst thing I would check is to see what it installed18:50
inetprodpkg -L gscan2pdf18:50
inetproand then look for man pages or other documentation 18:51
inetproand start reading18:51
inetproor be a cowboy and play the dangerous game of blindly executing executable files18:52
inetprolast point is not recommended 18:53
pavlushka Whilst it is possible to import PDFs, this is intended to be able to round-trip files created by gscan2pdf. Hence, only the images are imported, and all text is ignored.18:53
magespawnusually results in reinstalling the os18:53
inetprohmm... ok18:55
inetpronext option then, if that fails18:55
inetprohow about the gimp?18:55
Wolfeyeslol @ magespawn18:55
Wolfeyesheya magespawn18:55
magespawnhi Wolfeyes inetpro pavlushka 18:56
Wolfeyesmagespawn: that server is up and running. Now to try connect to it with ssh on it's own internet connection.18:56
inetprowb magespawn18:57
inetproapparently the GIMP, when combined with a plugin called QuiteInsane, becomes a powerful scanning application18:57
WolfeyesBut I will do that over the weekend maybe, too sicka now.18:57
inetprohttps://sourceforge.net/projects/quiteinsane/18:57
magespawnhow is it going?18:57
magespawnWolfeyes: port forwarding and all that set up?18:58
inetpromagespawn: good, good thanks... and by your side?18:58
magespawngetting ready to get cold up in JHB tomorrow18:58
inetprosadly QuiteInsane seems a bit insane with it still referencing KDE2/KDE318:59
Kilosai!18:59
Kilosthats a tar file18:59
magespawnwhats the problem inetpro ?19:00
WolfeyesBut I will do that over the weekend maybe, too sicka now.yet magespawn, I wanted to do that when it was on it's own internet connection, because it could have been different to mine.19:00
inetpromagespawn: we're building a cheap scanner for oom Kilos19:00
Wolfeyeslol19:00
inetpro:-)19:01
Kiloshaha19:01
inetprotrying at least19:01
Kilos5 mins19:01
WolfeyesThat is a way of thinking about it...19:01
Kiloshmm...19:01
magespawnWolfeyes: let me know if you need input19:01
magespawnhow are you building a cheap scanner?19:01
Kiloswith difficulty19:02
magespawnlol19:02
WolfeyesI always need input magespawn lol.19:02
Kilosstupid hp all in one stuck on cartridge check19:02
WolfeyesBut not now immediately19:02
inetpromagespawn: HP is being #asshole-HP with it requiring ink cartridge to act as a scanner19:02
magespawnwhich model?19:03
pavlushkainetpro, I have to compile it from source19:03
pavlushkathe quiteinsane19:03
Kilospsc 150019:03
inetpropavlushka: bad idea, abot that19:03
pavlushkaok19:03
inetproabort as well19:03
pavlushkaok for even that19:03
* Kilos checks the time19:04
Kilos[20:31] <inetpro> should take you no longer than 5 minutes if it works19:04
Kiloshmm...19:05
inetpropavlushka: press the eject button to avoid a crash landing19:05
pavlushkaKilos, he is gonna kill you in no longer than 5 minuts.19:05
Kiloslol19:05
Kilosim bigger than him19:05
magespawn5 minutes of internet time Kilos, not real time, it is all relative19:06
Kilosobviously19:06
pavlushkamagespawn, exactly19:06
KilosWolfeyes go to bed if you sicker man19:06
pavlushkaI forgot to say lol.19:07
inetproKilos: I said, "if it works"19:07
pavlushkainetpro, I am rebooting then.19:07
Wolfeyesdrinking some med lemon Kilos19:07
magespawnVueScan?19:07
inetpropavlushka: haha19:07
pavlushkamagespawn, that is a shit19:08
pavlushkaask me19:08
inetproremember to deply the parachute as well19:08
inetprodeploy*19:08
Kilostomorrow i get the flu bug as well then19:08
WolfeyesI can always leave the visit, and I don't think it is flu, more like laringhitis (or how ever you spell it)19:09
pavlushkaWolfeyes, ?????19:10
pavlushkaok, wbb, dont if you gonna stick around.19:10
magespawnmy old hp 4 in 1 had its own linux drivers19:10
Kilosnono19:11
magespawnKilos: ?19:11
Kilosthe prob is magespawn this one doesnt work till its done its ow boot process and aligned cartridges'19:12
inetprocartridge == empty19:12
Kilosinternet is full of peeps complaining19:12
inetprooops19:13
inetpro04/08 18:44:32 <kulelu88> if cartridge == empty: allfunctions = NULL19:13
magespawnahh that should not stop it starting, most of the ones i know you can esccape it19:13
Kilosmiles@ssd:~$ if cartridge == empty: allfunctions = NULL19:14
Kilos> 19:14
Kilos> 19:14
Kilosdunno where that went or what it is doing19:15
inetpromagespawn: what I'm saying is that in principle there should be a very very simple solution19:15
inetprotake a picture of a piece of paper and process the image with scanner processing and OCR software19:15
Wolfeyessudo apt install kilosgotosleepnow     :-P19:15
inetproOCR is optional un not needed in most cases19:15
Kilosoh lotsa stuff19:15
inetpros/un/and/19:15
KilosGLib-GObject-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.40.2/./gobject/gsignal.c:2580: instance '0x4d9e350' has no handler with id '2243' at /usr/bin/gscan2pdf line 3581.19:16
Kilosai!19:16
inetproKilos: don't break it19:17
Kilosai!19:17
Kilosno that comand does nothing19:17
Kilosdoesnt even go back to prompt19:17
Kilosthat glib warning was from the gscan thing19:18
Wolfeyesam I reading this correctly, there is a problem in line 3581 of file /usr/bin/gscan2pdf ? something about the id?19:18
Kilosi think the printer wont allow it in 19:19
Kilosthere are a few of those lines19:20
Kilosdifferent lines19:20
magespawnis the problem with the printer or the computer, i seem to missing something here?19:20
Kilosprinter19:21
Kilosno cartridge19:21
Kilosor busted one19:21
Kilosbeen dry for many years19:21
Kilosalso doesnt work on sister windows19:22
magespawnis the a cancel button on the printer that will get you paast the cartridge check?19:22
Kiloscant get past the cartridge ialine step of its startup process19:22
Wolfeyesif you put it on windows and right click it, in printers and devices, did it show a scan option on it's own?19:22
Kilosit just starts again and ends in same place19:22
Kilosi havent got windows handy19:23
Wolfeyeswas that tried?19:23
WolfeyesI'll bring lappy with...19:23
Kilosty19:23
Kilosits built into the hp software so you go buy new hp cartridges19:24
pavlushkaguys! what an effort? hats off, good night!19:24
Kilossleep tight pavlushka 19:24
Kilosty for trying to help19:25
magespawngood night pavlushka 19:25
Kilos1.30 am there19:25
Wolfeyesnight pavlushka19:25
magespawnKilos: no cartridge at all?19:26
Wolfeyescuba apparently only has 25% internet usage through the population, it is a crime to be connected to the internet.19:26
Kilosi dont know where to find them even magespawn q19:26
Kilosmuch easier to use ians tomorrow for 2 pages19:27
Kilosoh19:27
Wolfeyesin the printer :-P19:27
Kilosi have my clearance19:27
magespawnokay then no worries19:27
magespawnwere you trying to add it as a scanner only?19:33
Kilosyes19:33
Kilosi have used it before and simple scan worked lekker19:34
magespawnnot working now?19:34
Kilosbut the printer has to get through its boot process first19:34
Kilosstops at check cartriges flashing light19:34
magespawnthere is one thread where the guy manages to get it working just as a scanner, that is on windows though19:35
Kiloslike a pc stuck at initramfs19:35
magespawnhp did have linux software for my 5100, that was alomost like a vm for the windows drivers19:35
magespawnhttp://www.fixyourownprinter.com/posts/6203319:37
Wolfeyesnight everyone - medlemon finished :-/19:37
magespawngood night Wolfeyes 19:37
magespawnKilos: 4th post down may 8 200919:37
Kiloskits like a pc getting stuck at grub prompt19:41
Kilosi go see19:41
magespawnwhich model do you have specifically?19:44
Kilospsc 150019:44
kulelu88fuck javascript19:44
magespawnnot 1510 or something like that?19:45
inetprooops...19:45
magespawnthis is the software and site that i used for mine19:45
magespawnhttp://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/downloads.html19:45
inetprokulelu88, kulelu88... please check your lingo19:45
magespawnfind your model on this page http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html19:45
kulelu88*nod*19:45
inetprolol19:46
inetprokulelu88: what happened?19:46
Kiloslemme look on the printer19:46
Kilossimple sacn and gscan saw it as 150019:46
magespawnusually the printers come in series, like 1500 series19:47
kulelu88I can't find a javascript framework that doesn't have 32 thousand dependencies to work19:47
Kilosnope 1500 series it says underneeth19:47
inetproouch! That's a lot of dependancies19:47
inetprowhat are you trying to achieve?19:48
kulelu88building a simple todo app! :/19:48
inetproyikes! You want to reinvent the wheel kulelu88?19:49
magespawnKilos: i would try the 1510s from that website19:49
Kilosim trying to find where to see it19:50
kulelu88heck no. I just want to get a starting point and build from there, but I don't want heavy dependencies, just 3/4 JS files19:50
Kilosohon top it says 1513 all in one19:50
magespawnthere is three drop down lists there, the first you select psc, then the second 1510s, then click continue19:52
inetprokulelu88: so you specifically want to integrate just a simple todo feature in your own little existing app of sorts?19:52
magespawnsorry Kilos two drop down lists19:52
Kilosya i have it i think19:53
kulelu88inetpro: nope, I want to build a simple todo application, then implement my own small features to it19:53
Kilos1513 all in one deskjet19:53
inetprohmm...19:54
magespawni thought you said yours was 1500?19:54
kulelu88what the heck is this: https://github.com/MakiBM/mithril-starter-kit/blob/master/package.json19:54
inetprokulelu88: http://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/85116/simple-todo-list19:57
inetpronot sure whether that can help19:57
inetproor http://www.sitepoint.com/building-list-jquery-local-storage/19:58
inetproor https://www.google.com/search?q=javascript+todo+list19:59
kulelu88check this one: https://github.com/robdodson/todo-list/blob/master/package.json :D20:00
inetproyuck!20:00
kulelu88I'm now keen to find the package.json with the biggest dependency list20:01
inetprohaha20:01
inetprokulelu88: are you moving the goalposts?20:02
kulelu88building this todo is a yakshave in itself20:03
kulelu88cause neither of these work properly: http://todotxt.com/20:03
kulelu88web applications20:03
inetprosounds like you have a recursive problem20:04
Kilosmagespawn i give up 20:04
Kilossh: 0: Can't open hplip-3.16.3.run20:04
kulelu88inetpro: it never ends20:05
magespawnKilos: maybe a problem for another day20:06
Kilosyeah20:06
inetproI want to wax the car today... Oops, the hose is still broken from the winter... I'll need to buy a new one at Home Depot20:07
magespawnwell i will still be here when you want to tackle it again20:07
magespawnthere is a hole in my bucket20:07
kulelu88then you walk into Home Depot and realize that your tap is rusted also, so buy a new tap20:08
kulelu88but if  the tap is rusted, the pipes probably are too20:08
kulelu88phone plumber20:08
kulelu88then you realize you don't know any good plumbers20:08
kulelu88find plumber20:08
kulelu88then you realize that most plumber finding sites are shit, so you try to build your own site20:09
kulelu88and and and20:09
inetprohaha... sounds so familiar20:09
magespawnhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_Hole_in_My_Bucket20:10
inetproyikes!20:10
inetprothat's one broken link 20:11
inetproin quassel at least20:11
magespawnor "It was a dark and stormy night..." shorter but the same outcome20:11
kulelu88are wikipedia doing permanent donation begging now? a few ads might help them 20:12
inetprosingle quote in a URL, really a bad idea20:12
magespawnsorry just copy/past from firefox, i take them as i find them20:13
inetpromagespawn: not your fault 20:13
magespawninetpro: what is it doing on your side?20:13
kulelu88as they say about applications also ~ your app is redundant when you try to implement a chat feature in it20:13
inetprojust showing a clickable link up to before the ' character20:13
inetprokulelu88: I think those donation requests are only seasonal20:15
inetprohappens every year at a certain time20:15
magespawnhttp://is.gd/a7I9I720:15
magespawnhows that inetpro ?20:15
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:15
inetpromagespawn: no stress... I just highlight, copy and paste in stead of click20:16
inetprowas just interesting20:16
inetprohe left without saying good bye?20:16
inetpromagespawn: that's a first20:17
inetpromagespawn: interesting dialog that, by the way20:19
inetprokulelu88: hopefully you don't end up with that kinda recursion20:20
inetprowill have to put in an exit loop somewhere20:20
kulelu88I normally just give up in the end haha20:20
kulelu88javascript is ugly20:21
magespawngood night Kilos 20:21
magespawninetpro: no worries, but good to know20:21
kulelu88really terrible20:21
inetproa exit statement as well20:21
inetpromagespawn: I like the german version :-)20:24
inetprohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STfoUg36E0g20:24
Trixar_zaGetting old sucks20:26
magespawnwell that was fun20:27
kulelu88how old? Trixar_za 20:28
Trixar_za31, but currently experiencing one of the fun things that only happens in middle age :/20:29
kulelu88diabetes?20:30
Trixar_zaMy mother says it's TIA20:30
kulelu88this is africa?20:31
Trixar_zaTransient Ischemic Attack - like a temporary blood clot that causes stroke-like symtoms20:32
kulelu88where do these clots form? near the heart?20:33
superflykulelu88: http://www.haneycodes.net/npm-left-pad-have-we-forgotten-how-to-program/20:33
kulelu88I'm using mithril.js now superfly 20:33
superflyTrixar_za: never had anything like that... 20:33
kulelu88I have 1 input form and an add button so far20:34
Trixar_zaMy right side is a bit weak and the vision in my right eye is blurry. Wonders of genetics @ superfly - My mother's side of the family suffers from high cholestoral, so stuff like this will happen if I don't watch my health20:35
superflyUgh. I'm sorry to hear that, Trixar_za 20:35
kulelu88yoh20:36
kulelu88that's so sad to hear man20:36
magespawnTrixar_za: high cholestoral can be genetic, watching your health will only do so much20:36
magespawni have that too, on chronic medication for it20:37
Trixar_zaMine stabalizes if I do proper cardio and watch my (animal) fat intake. If I don't, it shoots up high. Mine is normally around 8 if I don't make an effort. Not as bad as my mother's which is 1020:37
magespawn8 is still way too high20:38
magespawnmine sits around 8 as well, without meds with meds around 2.520:39
Trixar_zaI don't like those meds though - makes you feel drained and weak20:40
* magespawn goes to get the box20:40
magespawni am on adco-simvastatin 20mg, have not really noticed any side effects20:41
Trixar_zaI think my mother takes that - the name is familiar20:43
magespawnthe wonders of genes hey?20:44
Trixar_zaYeah. Have to say, experiences like this is a good reminder that I should be taking care of myself.20:46
inetproTrixar_za: hmm.... look after yourself man20:46
inetproam sure that's what oom kilos would say as well20:47
inetprohope you find a solution to the challenge at hand20:47
Trixar_zaMy mother gave me some entorin or something. In her own words, it's just a glorified disprin.20:50
magespawnsuperfly: that is an interesting read21:07
superflymagespawn: the JS world is messed up21:07
magespawnit does not seem to have the structure that say python gets from having a unified direction21:12
superflymagespawn: amongst other things21:15
magespawnit also looks like people are using js for programming that is a little beyond what it was meant for21:24

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