[05:12] <Kilos> morning all 
[05:12] <Kilos> hi TheMurdz 
[05:13] <Kilos> nice to see you back again
[05:15] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[05:15]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[05:16] <Kilos> hi inetpro Private_User theblazehen 
[05:17] <TheMurdz> Morning! Thanks, 
[05:17] <TheMurdz> Oh, Happy RO Friday.
[05:17] <Kilos> whats that
[05:17] <TheMurdz> Read Only Friday
[05:17] <Kilos> haha
[05:17] <TheMurdz> Don't break ANYTHING.
[05:18] <Kilos> since ive installed kubuntu 14.04 on this lappy it hasnt broken once nyet
[05:18] <Kilos> yrt
[05:18] <Kilos> yet
[05:19] <Kilos> when i used old drives on the desktop things broke often
[05:19] <TheMurdz> Oh gosh, bad drives?
[05:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:20] <Kilos> yeah
[05:24] <superfly> TheMurdz: is it OK if I break CI today? 
[05:24] <superfly> Just for a little while. Then I'll fix it. 
[05:40] <TheMurdz> Do it just for the fun. :)
[05:40] <TheMurdz> I wanna see heads on fire.
[06:02] <mazal> Mornings
[06:02] <mazal> maaz tell Kilos I have good news and bad news
[06:02] <Maaz> mazal: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:34] <theblazehen> hey Kilos, others
[06:39] <Kilos> hi mazal theblazehen 
[06:39] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell Kilos I have good news and bad news" 36 minutes and 14 seconds ago
[06:39] <Kilos> what news mazal 
[06:39] <mazal> More oom , morning theblazehen
[06:39] <Kilos> sorry i was talking to my girls
[06:39] <theblazehen> hi mazal
[06:39] <mazal> Kilos: I tested my sim in my 3g dongle last night
[06:40] <Kilos> yes?
[06:40] <Kilos> and it works?
[06:40] <mazal> Good news first. The signal is only 2 bars , but I could at least read mail and open web sites.
[06:40] <mazal> Although it is only a 2 bar signal it is HDu something quality. So speed wise something I can live with
[06:40] <mazal> For basics anyway. Can't do big download or updates
[06:41] <Kilos> ok
[06:41] <mazal> Bad news: Extremely expensive. It's not a real option
[06:41] <mazal> I was connected for 15 min , cost me R25
[06:41] <Kilos> man you must use it only for mail and im
[06:41] <mazal> Only read email and opened 1 web site for 2 minutes
[06:41] <theblazehen> mazal: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_3G_Modem#Low_connection_speed have you tried this?
[06:41] <mazal> Still , just with that 80mb was used
[06:41] <Kilos> did you get a data bundle or use airtime
[06:42] <mazal> I paid R60 for only 250mb , so it actually cost me R30 just to read my mail and open a page
[06:42] <Kilos> airtime disappears very fast
[06:42] <mazal> Data bundle
[06:42] <Kilos> vodacom?
[06:42] <mazal> So , for interim I will do that just to quickly catch up with mail and do internet banking at least
[06:42] <Kilos> telkom bundles are much cheaper
[06:43] <mazal> The good news is , that even with only 2 bar signal the speed was workable
[06:43] <mazal> So , if MTN could be the same at least and not worse , then Afrihost becomes a real option
[06:43] <Kilos> 250meg is R39
[06:43] <mazal> Still not tested a MTN device at my place , still looking for someone
[06:44] <Kilos> ok
[06:44] <Kilos> get a telkom sim  and try it there
[06:44] <mazal> At least there is a little light for mobile solution. I will never be able to have the network I did and do the things I did before , but at least I will be able to do basics
[06:44] <Kilos> they only about R5
[06:45] <mazal> The major problem still persist though , no routers anywhere
[06:45] <Kilos> wow
[06:45] <mazal> Now a question , how well does these dongles work with Ubuntu ?
[06:45] <Kilos> easy
[06:45] <mazal> configure/stability/speed/software/drivers wise
[06:45] <Kilos> nm does it all
[06:46] <mazal> On my Win 7 machine it was litterally plug and play
[06:46] <mazal> What's nm ?
[06:46] <Kilos> it sees the dongle then you just go next next next
[06:46] <Kilos> network manager
[06:46] <mazal> Ok , so that is good news also at least
[06:46] <mazal> So now my plan forward :
[06:46] <Kilos> the icon on the bar
[06:47] <mazal> I will wait until wednesday for Telkom mobile as they are by far the cheapest and best signal. If they still can'r help me though I am thinking to tear up that application and go with Afrihost
[06:47]  * chesedo just waves morning to all as to not interupt the conversation    o/
[06:47] <mazal> Afrihost much more expensive , but I need service
[06:47] <mazal> Hi chesedo
[06:48] <mazal> BUT , here is the major flaw in that plan: Afrihost also don't have routers
[06:48] <Kilos> just get a telkom sim and try it in your dongle
[06:48] <mazal> No
[06:48] <Kilos> why
[06:48] <mazal> The dongle is not a long term solution
[06:48] <Kilos> ive been using one for years
[06:48] <mazal> I need a ethernet router
[06:48] <Kilos> oh ya
[06:49] <mazal> I don't have just the pc , have 4 devices that needs connectivity
[06:49] <mazal> That little dongle is just for interim now
[06:49] <Kilos> ok
[06:49] <mazal> If it wasn't for that I would have been fine long ago , Telkom has a ton of those Mickey mouse wi-fi routers
[06:49] <Kilos> 4 devices are going to eat data
[06:49] <mazal> But that won't work in my setup
[06:50] <Kilos> telkom supply the d-links
[06:50] <mazal> I tried wi-fi once in my pc , never again. Complete crap.
[06:50] <Kilos> i find it slow as well
[06:51] <Kilos> thats why i have dongle in the laptop
[06:51] <mazal> Yep. And speed gets devided for every device that connects etc. Is just too crappy
[06:51] <Kilos> well at least you have sorted a connection for in the meantime
[06:52] <Kilos> meeting on the 22nd
[06:52] <Kilos> i need to go do chores
[06:52] <Kilos> wbb
[06:52] <mazal> If I only had a pac I would have taken the dongle route with 30gig and would have been online long ago. But ya , that's just the bad luck now that 1. Manufactureres of 3g routers don't make proper ones with ethernet and 2. The only one that does is out of stock
[06:52] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[06:52] <Maaz> oh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon!
[07:01] <Kilos> ai!
[07:03] <theblazehen> hi Sxuza
[07:13] <Kilos> mazal whats a pac
[07:13] <Kilos> oh
[07:14] <Kilos> only a pc
[07:17] <mazal> pc\
[07:17] <mazal> pc
[07:17] <Kilos> lol
[07:27] <magespawn> good morning
[07:27] <magespawn> Maaz weather Pretoria
[07:27] <Maaz> magespawn: In Waterkloof, South Africa at 9:00 AM SAST on April 08, 2016: 15°C; Humidity: 6°C; Wind: km/h; Conditions: ; Sunrise/set: 6:19 AM SAST/5:58 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 7:10 AM SAST/6:59 PM SAST
[07:28] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:28] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[07:28] <magespawn> is that accurate?
[07:28] <Kilos> its above 15 now
[07:29] <Kilos> but 6 tonight could be
[07:29] <magespawn> i am going tohave to pack every warm thing i own
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[07:30] <Kilos> Friday: Overcast. High: 19° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 10° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 22° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 12° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 26° C., Sunday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 12° C., Monday: Clear. High: 26° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 13° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 28° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 14° C.,
[07:34] <Sxuza> is that JHB Kilos  ?
[07:34] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes 
[07:34] <Kilos> pretoria Sxuza 
[07:35] <Kilos> Maaz forecast johannesburg south africa
[07:35] <Maaz> Kilos: Friday: Overcast. High: 16° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 9° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 21° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 11° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 23° C., Sunday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 11° C., Monday: Clear. High: 24° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 12° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 26° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 13°
[07:35] <Maaz> C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 26° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low: 13° C., Thursday: Cle…
[07:42] <Wolfeyes> morning everyone and Kilos
[07:51] <Kilos> hi bushtech 
[07:54] <bushtech> hi Kilos others
[08:01] <pavlushka> Hi dears!
[08:08] <mazal> oom Kilos: I have more news
[08:08] <Kilos> tell mazal 
[08:08] <mazal> I am STUNNED !!!!!
[08:09] <Kilos> routers arrived
[08:09] <mazal> So , barry brought his old MTN router to work from when he still was with them
[08:09] <mazal> We went to my home now to test it ( to see the MTN signal )
[08:09] <Kilos> ok
[08:10] <mazal> 8.4mb down and 2.5mb up
[08:10] <mazal> I couldn't believe my eyes
[08:10] <Kilos> great
[08:10] <mazal> That's with a signal jumping between 1 and 2 bars only
[08:10] <Kilos> then you can go with afrihost
[08:10] <mazal> Only prob with that , they have 4 times less data fro the same price :(
[08:11] <mazal> So I need to think clearly on this and take my time
[08:11] <mazal> Not make a wrong choice.
[08:11] <mazal> But yes , now I have physical tested info that Afrihost is a real option
[08:12] <mazal> So from the 3 tested , signal wise it's Best MTN , 2nd Telkom , 3rd Vodacom
[08:13] <mazal> But data wise Telkom by far best
[08:14] <Kilos> there was a mail the other day  offering 15g
[08:15] <Kilos> inetpro will remember
[08:15] <mazal> That's the one I was looking at yesterday
[08:15] <mazal> R497 for 15gig. Data only , no router , no midnight double data
[08:16] <Kilos> you just have to learn to download less
[08:16] <mazal> Telscum R530 , 30gig anytime , 30gig midnight and a router
[08:16] <mazal> So afrihost 4 times less for almost same price. That's a BIG difference
[08:16] <Kilos> im happy with telkom mobile
[08:17] <Kilos> one has to decide what easiest on the pocket as well
[08:18] <Kilos> the money tree is dead
[08:21] <thatgraemeguy> mazal_: afrihost also have the afrihost plus add-on for R99 which doubles your data
[08:22] <thatgraemeguy> its definitely good value for larger packages
[08:22] <thatgraemeguy> I think on anything over 3GB package having that add-on makes sense
[08:23] <thatgraemeguy> for example, 8GB afrihost is R397. with afrihost plus you pay R99 more (R496 total) for 16GB
[08:25] <bushtech> is that afrihost deal contract or pay as u go?
[08:26] <mazal_> thatgraemeguy: Thanx for that info
[08:26] <thatgraemeguy> month-to-month, afrihost don't do contracts on any of their products
[08:27] <bushtech> thatgraemeguy: Thanks. Thats great gonna look at it
[08:27] <thatgraemeguy> the afrihost plus thing includes a few extras but doubleing the data is by far the most valuable
[08:28] <mazal_> Sjoe , I dunno what to do
[08:28] <thatgraemeguy> how much are you willing to spend?
[08:28] <mazal_> It's more a matter of how much data I need to sustain what I do
[08:29] <mazal_> So , life style changes is also a factor here
[08:29] <thatgraemeguy> no, when it comes to mobile, its a matter of how much you want to spend ;-)
[08:29] <Kilos> lol
[08:29] <mazal_> thatgraemeguy: I can't really go over R600. That's what my adsl limit also was
[08:29] <thatgraemeguy> unless you don't mind spending R1000+, you need to limit internet activity on mobile
[08:30] <thatgraemeguy> does 600 include paying off a device over 12 months or are you going to purchase that cash once-off?
[08:30] <mazal_> That's where Telscum is also best , includes device. Afrihost don't
[08:30] <thatgraemeguy> afrihost sell devices
[08:31] <thatgraemeguy> telkom don't "include" it, you pay for it make no mistake
[08:31] <mazal_> Yes I know , but that's my point. Their monthly payment is almost the same for a device and 4x the data
[08:32] <thatgraemeguy> meh, ok do what you want, doesn't sound like you need help after all
[08:32] <mazal_> The device is included in the payment which makes the price of the data even cheaper
[08:32] <mazal_> But I am looking purely at data. I will buy a device if needs be , that's a once off
[08:33] <mazal_> So is basically 30 @ R600 vs 60 @R530
[08:33] <mazal_> I need to decide if 30 will do basically
[08:34] <mazal_> And the fact that the MTN signal kicks ass by far I must also concider
[08:35] <Kilos> ai! decisions decisions
[08:35] <thatgraemeguy> if mobile deals started offering unmetered after-hours data like capped ADSL accounts mostly do, I'd be in
[08:36] <thatgraemeguy> I only use about 30-40GB on average of my capped portion
[08:36] <mazal_> Fact is , with 30 what I do becomes a factor , cos I can't sustain with 30
[08:36] <mazal_> My average was 50 anytime and about 20 midnight
[08:36] <mazal_> So I will think long and hard this weekend on my hobbies and what I am willing to sacrifise
[08:48] <mazal_> Correction , the Afrihost R497 is only 10gig , not 15 :(
[08:56] <mazal_> TheMurdz you around ?
[08:56] <TheMurdz> Yes sir!
[08:56] <TheMurdz> What's up
[08:56] <mazal_> Can I ask a question , re the mobile please
[08:56] <TheMurdz> Sure, I'll answer the best I can. Ask away.
[08:56] <mazal_> I already have an Afrihost account that I previously used for adsl
[08:57] <mazal_> Now if I want mobile , to I just add a mobile package of my choice ? I don't see a selection for sim also , will the guys that side know it needs a sim as well ?
[08:57] <mazal_> Not sure about that part
[08:58] <TheMurdz> You just want data right?
[08:58] <TheMurdz> SIM + Data plan?
[08:58] <mazal_> That's correct
[08:59] <TheMurdz> Here's the section for Mobile Data https://www.afrihost.com/site/product/mobile_data?src=website_nav 
[08:59] <TheMurdz> Go there, Order, Then before the order completes you'll select the SIM
[08:59] <mazal_> I logged in on my control panel , selected mobile plans , selected month-to-month data - then click on one. It shows price but not whether sim is included or not. Does it automatically include sim ?
[09:00] <mazal_> Ok , lemme see
[09:00] <TheMurdz> YEs, the sim is included by default
[09:00] <TheMurdz> It'll just ask you to select the SIM size you'd like before the order completes. 
[09:00] <mazal_> And the sim comes with courier yes ?
[09:00] <TheMurdz> Correct.
[09:00] <mazal_> Thanx a lot ;)
[09:00] <mazal_> I am so glad you are here hehehehe
[09:00] <TheMurdz> Also, the courier will do RICA on the spot, so just make sure you have your docs ready for RICA
[09:00] <TheMurdz> haha, cool cool.
[09:01] <inetpro> hmm... 
[09:01] <inetpro> is it Friday yet?
[09:01] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:02] <TheMurdz> Morning! It's finally FRIDAY!
[09:02] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[09:05] <Kilos> bbl going for clearance
[09:08] <TheMurdz_> It's Friday, and they decide it's the best time to do Generator maintenance. I'm sorry to all those stuck in the bathroom when the lights go off >..>
[09:22]  * TheMurdz sighs
[09:28] <mazal_> TheMurdz: Thanx , order placed , found all relevant info
[09:28] <TheMurdz> Sweet. 
[09:29] <mazal_> Here's hoping I stop struggling now for a change
[09:37] <mazal_> bye for now all
[09:37] <mazal_> Have a nice weekend
[09:46] <chesedo> ai, the poor guy never took a proper look at wisp
[09:46] <chesedo> *s
[10:32] <inetpro> 04/08 08:41 <mazal> Only read email and opened 1 web site for 2 minutes
[10:32] <inetpro> 04/08 08:41 <mazal> Still , just with that 80mb was used
[10:32] <inetpro> Kilos: the poor dude will have to learn from you how to limit usage of data
[10:33] <inetpro> with 80MB in 2 minutes for just 1 website and emails there's something major wrong with how he does things
[10:37] <TheMurdz> May need to recommend Nethogs to Mazal, Just thought of a quick search (Assuming he's on buntu) http://askubuntu.com/questions/532424/how-to-monitor-bandwidth-usage
[10:40] <TheMurdz> Hmmm, Maybe not. It's not as nice as I thought it would be. Maybe something like GlassWire (Windows) if so.
[10:40]  * TheMurdz gets excited for Bash on Ubuntu on Windows
[10:40] <Wolfeyes> does the website have a video in it mazal, or maybe something which is constantly updating data ?
[10:41] <TheMurdz> @Wolfeyes, Mazal's offline :(
[10:41] <Wolfeyes> yeah I saw when I typed in the name, will resend to him when I see him again.
[10:44] <chesedo> nethogs is nice for monitoring current usage
[11:00] <inetpro> hmm... 
[11:00] <inetpro> Kilos: and he leaves even earlier on a Friday as well?
[11:01] <inetpro> just as I wanted to thank him about nethogs
[11:01] <inetpro> chesedo: nice command indeed!
[11:04] <inetpro> would just be nice if one could see accumulative usage over a period of time
[11:04] <chesedo> inetpro: think it's more that generator maintenance that he mentioned
[11:06] <inetpro> chesedo: generator maintenance?
[11:07] <chesedo> [11:08:23] <TheMurdz_> It's Friday, and they decide it's the best time to do Generator maintenance. I'm sorry to all those stuck in the bathroom when the lights go off >..>
[11:07] <chesedo> he lost connection after that too
[11:08] <inetpro> ahh... 
[11:08] <inetpro> thanks chesedo
[11:08]  * inetpro clearly not reading it all today
[11:09] <inetpro> and oom Kilos must be sleeping again as well
[11:09] <inetpro> and as usual perhaps :-)
[11:14] <chesedo> guess we will know the accuracy of that based on his reponse time :D
[11:28] <inetpro> chesedo: trace mode is nice
[11:28] <inetpro> with nethogs
[11:28] <chesedo> inetpro: have never tried it
[11:29] <chesedo> been a while since i've used it
[11:29] <inetpro> then again, difficult to read at normal refresh rate and inaccurate by the looks of it when setting a delay
[11:53] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:53] <Kilos> just got back from fetching my clearance certificate
[11:53] <chesedo> lol
[11:59] <inetpro> aha
[11:59] <inetpro> sorry Kilos!
[12:01] <Kilos> lol np
[12:11] <pavlushka> hi inetpro!!!
[12:11] <pavlushka> and Hi Kilos !
[12:12] <inetpro> pavlushka: eh, hello
[12:12] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[12:12] <pavlushka> inetpro, are you testing 16.04?
[12:18] <magespawn> inetpro have you tried etherape? similar to nethogs
[12:24] <pavlushka> Hi magespawn!
[12:25] <magespawn> ahh, hi pavlushka 
[12:25] <pavlushka> How are you?
[12:25] <magespawn> good and you
[12:25] <magespawn> ?
[12:28] <superfly> .
[12:29] <inetpro> #
[12:30] <chesedo> ?
[12:30] <Kilos> !
[12:30] <bushtech> !!
[12:31] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[12:31]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[12:32] <chesedo> Maaz: tee please
[12:32] <Maaz> chesedo: What?
[12:32] <chesedo> brr forgot
[12:32] <Kilos> yea
[12:32] <Kilos> tea
[12:32] <chesedo> Maaz: milo please
[12:32] <Maaz> chesedo: Huh?
[12:32] <chesedo> Maaz: hot chocolate please
[12:32] <Maaz> chesedo: *blink*
[12:32] <chesedo> Maaz: coffee please
[12:32] <Maaz> chesedo: Yessir
[12:33] <chesedo> Maaz: with milk
[12:33] <Maaz> Haha chesedo You aren't one of those that needs to drink black coffee to be able to cast a shadow!
[12:33] <superfly> Maaz: tea please
[12:33] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils superfly I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[12:33] <chesedo> Maaz: if you say so
[12:33] <Maaz> chesedo: Excuse me?
[12:33] <superfly> Maaz: I don't have a tea bag
[12:33] <Maaz> superfly: Got it
[12:33] <superfly> Maaz: I
[12:33] <Maaz> superfly: I do not know
[12:33] <superfly> Maaz: I don't
[12:33] <Maaz> superfly: I don't have a tea bag
[12:33] <chesedo> hahaha
[12:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and chesedo!
[12:35] <Kilos> lol
[12:35] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[12:35] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[12:36] <superfly> Maaz: Where's my tea?
[12:36] <Maaz> superfly: Huh?
[12:36] <superfly> Maaz: I said, where's my tea?
[12:36] <Maaz> superfly: What?
[12:37] <chesedo> Maaz: ty
[12:37] <Maaz> You are welcome chesedo
[12:40] <pavlushka> magespawn, sorry, I am fine and sorry.
[12:41] <magespawn> no worries pavlushka 
[12:42] <pavlushka> inetpro, you told me you are not a developer, me neither, just asking.
[12:42] <pavlushka> hi chesedo !
[12:42] <chesedo> hi pavlushka
[12:42] <chesedo> but aren't you learning python
[12:43] <chesedo> ?
[13:00] <pavlushka> chesedo, it's still in the learning phase.
[13:01] <pavlushka> maaz coffee for Kilos
[13:01] <Maaz> pavlushka: Excuse me?
[13:02] <pavlushka> Maaz, you are excused.
[13:02] <Maaz> pavlushka: I already know stuff about you
[13:02] <Kilos> pavlushka have you started learning python or started thinking aout it
[13:04] <pavlushka> trying to find a way for lpi.org and bought a printer to print python books trust me Kilos , coz I tried with soft books earlier but kinda difficult.
[13:05] <pavlushka> meanwhile doing some Ubuntu translations.
[13:08] <pavlushka> and to make it more difficult, power system is acting rough.
[13:08] <Kilos> eish
[13:19] <pavlushka> Hi superfly !
[14:02] <magespawn> later home time
[15:01] <inetpro> Kilos: go check on mattermost
[15:01] <Kilos> ok
[15:05] <Kilos> inetpro i forget who he is
[15:05] <Kilos> just remember the nick
[15:05] <inetpro> Kilos: you forgot wasbeer? Really!?
[15:05] <Kilos> his real name man
[15:06]  * inetpro goes to look for the grease
[15:06] <Kilos> ai!
[15:06] <Kilos> pain pills work better
[15:07] <inetpro> Kilos: the guy who also used to be in the Afrikaans channel
[15:07] <inetpro> one of the old translate.org.za guys
[15:15] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[15:15]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[15:18] <Kilos> Maaz hurry
[15:18] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[15:18] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[15:18] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[15:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[15:19] <Kilos> Maaz thanks
[15:19] <Maaz> Kilos: No problem
[15:30] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[15:30] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[16:00] <Kilos> hi fusionsparc 
[16:06] <fusionsparc> Hi Kilos, you been well?
[16:06] <Kilos> yes ty and you?
[16:06] <fusionsparc> Well enough.. :)
[16:07] <Kilos> where the clever guys
[16:07] <fusionsparc> Atleast it is weekend.
[16:08] <Kilos> HP PSC 1510 All in one with no cartridge in, how do i get past the print setup and scan only
[16:09] <fusionsparc> Hmmm...as far as I know you can't do anything untill you replace those cartrages.
[16:10] <Kilos> eish i want to scan 2 pages. waste of money to buy cartridges that will never be used
[16:11] <Kilos> they should put a print section off button o the thing
[16:12] <fusionsparc> Cartrages are pricey indeed..:/
[16:13] <Kilos> and the printer neve gets used so thats even more of a waste
[16:17] <fusionsparc> I would think.
[16:18] <fusionsparc> Not a fan of ink printers by default..
[16:22] <fusionsparc> http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/posts/62033
[16:22] <Kilos> ty lemme see
[16:22] <fusionsparc> Have a look at the 4th response...Might help..
[16:25] <inetpro> Kilos: use your mobile phone for scanning
[16:25] <inetpro> you don't need a scanner
[16:25] <Kilos> just take a pic?
[16:26] <inetpro> take a pic is one option
[16:26] <Kilos> and the other?
[16:26] <inetpro> but there's apps like CamScanner that cleans up a pic like a real scanner
[16:26] <Kilos> i got old nokia mas
[16:26] <Kilos> man
[16:27] <Kilos> sms and call
[16:27] <Kilos> the clearance certificate must be clear and readable
[16:28] <inetpro> yikes! No Android phone there?
[16:28] <Kilos> nope
[16:28]  * inetpro hangs his head in disapointment 
[16:29] <Kilos> ian just said he will bring his scanner the weekend
[16:29] <Kilos> yay
[16:29] <Kilos> but i wanna try fix this thing so sis can scan with it
[16:30] <Kilos> simple-san sees it but it cant scan
[16:30] <Kilos> sigh
[16:31] <pavlushka> Hi Kilos  I am back agn.
[16:31] <pavlushka> with electricity
[16:31] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[16:32] <pavlushka> hey, can you tell me the details of the scanner?
[16:32] <pavlushka> I missed.
[16:36] <bushtech> is the scanner correctly identified in Preferences?
[16:38] <pavlushka> for any kind of scanner in linux, the 2nd best solution is "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rolfbensch/sane-git",then "sudo apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade"
[16:39] <kulelu88> be careful about adding random PPAs
[16:39] <pavlushka> its tested, I am using it, its from the SANE stuff.
[16:42] <pavlushka> SANE staff.
[16:42] <Kilos> HP PSC 1510 All in one with no cartridge in,
[16:42] <Kilos> cant scan until crtridge is aligned or something
[16:43] <inetpro> Kilos: surely you do not need cartridge to scan?
[16:43] <Kilos> flashing light saying check printer cartridge
[16:43] <pavlushka> HP directly supports SANE but not cartridges.
[16:43] <kulelu88> that's not a linux issue
[16:43] <kulelu88> that's an asshole-HP issue
[16:44] <pavlushka> Kilos, listen to inetpro 
[16:44]  * inetpro agrees with kulelu88, if it's really like that
[16:44] <Kilos> no its the print scan thing first want to do its own setup before working
[16:44] <Kilos> internet full of complaints
[16:44] <kulelu88> if cartridge == empty: allfunctions = NULL
[16:44] <inetpro> it should work independently really
[16:44] <inetpro> I don't believe those HP guys are that bad
[16:44] <pavlushka> agrees with inetpro !
[16:45] <Kilos> kulelu88 run that in terminal?
[16:45] <kulelu88> try hitting the cancel button
[16:46] <Kilos> i did it goes back to check cartridge
[16:46] <Kilos> nthing else works
[16:47] <kulelu88> are there empty cartridges inside?
[16:47] <kulelu88> you could just buy a cartridge ...
[16:48] <Kilos> ill check that
[16:48] <pavlushka> Kilos, this? https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2010/08/03/86616479-bb7b-11e2-8a8e-0291187978f3/thumbnail/770x433/20453e77bb4cdb2261ca115dda6089fd/31432099-2-440-overview-1.gif
[16:48] <Kilos> yes
[16:49] <pavlushka> Kilos, put the paper on the scanner section , that should do the scan, the printer section is different.
[16:49] <Kilos> i have but ill try again
[16:54] <Kilos> nope simple-scan says failed to scan
[16:55] <pavlushka> do you have hplip installed in kubuntu?
[16:55] <Kilos> let me see
[16:56] <Kilos> yes
[17:00] <pavlushka> have you tried gscan2pdf?
[17:00] <Kilos> what is that
[17:00] <pavlushka> its better than simple-scan
[17:00] <Kilos> a command?
[17:00] <pavlushka> scanner frontend, package
[17:00] <Kilos> i have to go eat
[17:00] <Kilos> wbb
[17:01] <Kilos> ty for the help 
[17:04] <pavlushka> Hey inetpro , hp says http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/psc/psc_1510_series.html
[17:06] <pavlushka> Damn cartridges!
[17:06] <pavlushka> I dont know.
[17:10] <pavlushka> but here's a solution for glasswire http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/posts/62033
[17:15] <pavlushka> sorry for the last link
[17:16] <inetpro> pavlushka: dinner time is family time, I'll chat later, sorry
[17:19] <pavlushka> you talked, its great, Enjoy your Dinner!
[17:23] <superfly> Ohi
[17:27] <pavlushka> Hi superfly !
[17:28] <pavlushka> and kulelu88 , seems you are right.
[17:29] <superfly> kulelu88 is always right 
[17:30] <superfly> Uhoh
[17:30] <pavlushka> that is great, I'll never doubt again. though HP says in windows, there's a workaround.
[17:31] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes_is 
[17:31] <pavlushka> Hi Wolfeyes_is !!!
[17:32] <Wolfeyes> heya Kilos, pavlushka
[17:32] <Kilos> what was kulelu88 right about?
[17:33] <pavlushka> that the workaround does not work for MAC or linux.
[17:33] <Kilos> ah
[17:34] <pavlushka> his lines "if cartridge == empty: allfunctions = NULL"
[17:34] <Kilos> oh was that for windows
[17:35] <pavlushka> not exactly
[17:35] <pavlushka> but dont you have even an ink less cartridge?
[17:35] <Kilos> i dont even know where they are
[17:36] <pavlushka> just to fool the printer.
[17:36] <Kilos> Wolfeyes will bring his scanner tomorrow
[17:36] <Kilos> ill ask my sister to look when she has time
[17:36] <pavlushka> problem solved, Wolfeyes works better than HP.
[17:36] <Wolfeyes> Which reminds me - drivers
[17:37] <Wolfeyes> ha ha ha ha
[17:37] <Kilos> oh my
[17:37] <pavlushka> Kilos, either way , you have to download something.
[17:38] <Wolfeyes> I got data will download them, for you, if you on windows, shouldn't need it for ubuntu. Depends if it has drivers inside.
[17:38] <Kilos> thats fine i need the scans
[17:38] <Kilos> Wolfeyes have you used it with 14.04
[17:38] <pavlushka> Kilos, please check if you have sane package installed.
[17:39] <Kilos> did you have that same hassle getting frivers?
[17:39] <pavlushka> ^
[17:39] <pavlushka> asking me?
[17:40] <Kilos> installing it now
[17:40] <pavlushka> Kilos, and you have to add that ppa.
[17:41] <pavlushka> I had to compile the driver from source.
[17:41] <Wolfeyes> no I haven't
[17:41] <Wolfeyes> not een tried
[17:41] <Wolfeyes> even* even
[17:42] <pavlushka> Wolfeyes, have you watched even Steven?
[17:43] <Wolfeyes> Nope
[17:43] <Wolfeyes> Have you watched Lucy?
[17:43] <pavlushka> me neither, lol
[17:43] <pavlushka> the movie?
[17:43] <Wolfeyes> Yes
[17:43] <pavlushka> Yes.
[17:44] <pavlushka> Lucy transformed into a big giant server.
[17:45] <pavlushka> no?
[17:46] <Wolfeyes> Don't think she was transformed, just opened more doors to her mind that we been told have been shut or not possible to open. Which lifts the level of conscious, to another form of energy or vibration.
[17:47] <Wolfeyes> I think we always had it, have it.
[17:47] <pavlushka> but I wished that lol
[17:48] <kulelu88> *hat tip* for being right on the internet
[17:48] <pavlushka> Wolfeyes, your lines goes over my head.
[17:48] <pavlushka> kulelu88's too
[17:49] <Wolfeyes> Then you better catch it. Lol.
[17:49] <Wolfeyes> He is bowing in acceptance of getting the solution to the problem.
[17:49] <Wolfeyes> tipping or tilting the hat in acknowledgement.
[17:50] <pavlushka> Ah! get it, thanks kulelu88 !
[17:50] <pavlushka> and Wolfeyes , thanks for the interpretation.
[17:50] <Wolfeyes> Yw.
[17:50] <kulelu88> pavlushka: are you not internet speak?
[17:51] <pavlushka> I am not sure, still learning from Kilos 
[17:51] <kulelu88> how young are you? pavlushka 
[17:52] <pavlushka> around 30, a bit old.
[17:52] <pavlushka> but in mind, still a kid, haven't grown up.
[17:53] <Kilos> that gscan2pdf also does scan
[17:54] <Kilos> printer mode locked in that thing
[17:54] <kulelu88> aah, you should know some internet speak. Do you know: afk, AFAIK, IIRC ?
[17:54] <pavlushka> Kilos, you mean it works?
[17:54] <Kilos> nono sorry it doesnt work
[17:55] <pavlushka> kulelu88, I know as soon as ASAP, for your FYI, ...etc
[17:55] <Kilos> error message is device busy
[17:56] <Wolfeyes> There is so many now kulelu88 I stopped keeping track...
[17:56] <kulelu88> which new 1s are there? Wolfeyes 
[17:57] <pavlushka> there is some new old ones.
[17:57] <kulelu88> superfly: do you know of a self-contained JS MVC framework? 
[17:57] <pavlushka> Kilos, you wanna try windows for that specific purpose?
[17:57] <Kilos> no ty
[17:58] <kulelu88> if scanning is a priority, spinning up a Windows VM might save you time
[17:58] <superfly> kulelu88: in what way do you mean "self-contained"?
[17:58] <kulelu88> superfly: something that doesn't need me to install 643 dependencies via npm
[17:58] <Wolfeyes> I was reffering to the ones you spoke about, kulelu88 the last two are new to me, I stopped chatting as it took to much of my time.
[17:58] <Kilos> on the net many peeps with windows complain about the same problem
[17:58] <superfly> kulelu88: then no, sorry.
[17:59] <superfly> kulelu88: that's the nature of JS development these days, it's a mess. Because JavaScript.
[17:59] <kulelu88> superfly: I am trying to build a UI for my todo.txt webapp
[17:59] <Kilos> as far as i know 
[17:59] <Kilos> and
[17:59] <Kilos> if i remember correctly
[17:59] <superfly> kulelu88: I've used AngularJS, but there's also Ember and Backbone. Look at those two.
[18:00] <kulelu88> superfly: this is feature-complete: http://todo.martinsgill.co.uk/ , but the guy doesn't want to make it responsive
[18:01] <superfly> kulelu88: if you want responsive, then you want Bootstrap, not an MVC framework
[18:02] <kulelu88> to bootstrapify that, will it be more hard than to write my own implementation? superfly 
[18:02] <superfly> kulelu88: yes.
[18:02] <superfly> well, I can't say for certain, but it probably will be.
[18:03] <kulelu88> this is the code: https://github.com/MartinSGill/TodoTxtJs/tree/master/WebApp/src
[18:03] <kulelu88> well I can hack through it
[18:04] <superfly> kulelu88: with bootstrap it's *mostly* the HTML you need to change
[18:05] <kulelu88> so I just put in the bootstrap CSS dependency and then adjust the HTML to use bootstrap instead?
[18:12] <inetpro> oops!
[18:13] <inetpro> so kulelu88 was also right about asshole-HP?
[18:13] <kulelu88> we should twitter that tag that. #asshole-HP
[18:13] <inetpro> that is just sad, really
[18:14] <Kilos> very
[18:14]  * Kilos cries
[18:14] <inetpro> unbelievable that anyone should ever do something like that
[18:15] <inetpro> anyway, there still is another solution as well, at least in principle
[18:15] <Kilos> tell
[18:15] <inetpro> a scanner is just a camera
[18:15] <Kilos> good quality one
[18:15] <inetpro> the processing of an image to make it look good happens through software on the PC
[18:16] <inetpro> mobile phone cameras are not bad these days, unless you really have one of those useless devices from teh days of yonder
[18:17] <inetpro> the*
[18:17] <Kilos> haha
[18:17] <pavlushka> Kilos, might have Nokia old ones.
[18:18] <inetpro> pavlushka: I'm sure it's not that old
[18:18] <pavlushka> Yeah, Nokia's camera's were good even in the old one's.
[18:19] <pavlushka> not that old one's
[18:19] <inetpro> I would be surprised if he managed to keep one of them old devices going after all these years
[18:20] <inetpro> surely as good as those batteries were, you probably won't get them any more
[18:20] <inetpro> rephrase: surely as good as those batteries were for a device in those years
[18:21] <inetpro> those batteries lasted for a week or longer at the time
[18:21] <pavlushka> here, we can still have some new low config battery efficient Nokia phones.
[18:21] <inetpro> but those devices did eat a lot of power either
[18:21] <inetpro> did not*
[18:22] <inetpro> anyway, all we need is scanner software where you can import an image from a pic
[18:23] <pavlushka> yeah
[18:23] <pavlushka> So where is our Kilos ?
[18:23] <Kilos> here
[18:24] <inetpro> you can take nice quality pictures with a low quality camera with clever lighting techniques
[18:24] <Kilos> Wolfeyes will bring his scanner tomorrow
[18:24] <pavlushka> lol
[18:24] <inetpro> ai!
[18:24] <Kilos> what clever lighting
[18:24] <inetpro> pavlushka: he doesn't he want to try?
[18:24]  * pavlushka still laughing!
[18:25] <pavlushka> inetpro, well if you have a person as workaround!
[18:25] <Kilos> the things is with a fone camera it doesnt show a full a4 page perfectly
[18:26] <Kilos> you need to be too close to get a readable document
[18:26] <inetpro> Kilos, Kilos, Kilos... that's what the scanner software is good at
[18:26] <Kilos> oh
[18:26] <Kilos> so where does one put the clever lighting
[18:27] <inetpro> Kilos: forget about that for now
[18:27] <Kilos> ok
[18:27] <inetpro> try the principle matter first
[18:27] <inetpro> proof of concept
[18:27] <Kilos> take a pic?
[18:27] <inetpro> no
[18:28] <Kilos> ai!
[18:28] <inetpro> find scanner image processing software that can process any image
[18:29] <Wolfeyes> or I can just take a pic with a samsung
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro now you wanna spend hours sorting something out for 2 pages
[18:30] <inetpro> rephrase: find scanner image processing software that can process a image from a piece of paper taken by a camera
[18:31] <inetpro> hours?
[18:31] <inetpro> really?
[18:31] <Kilos> i dunno
[18:31] <inetpro> should take you no longer than 5 minutes if it works
[18:31] <pavlushka> inetpro, I see a little of myself in you.
[18:32] <Kilos> you normally feed titbits that takes me days to sort out
[18:32] <Wolfeyes> I think he was reffering to getting it working inetpro
[18:32] <Wolfeyes> lol
[18:32] <inetpro> pavlushka: haha
[18:32] <inetpro> pavlushka: just a little :-)
[18:33] <pavlushka> If I say a lot, that will be bragging!
[18:35] <inetpro> lol
[18:35] <inetpro> pavlushka: that sounds like a compliment, thank you
[18:35] <pavlushka> inetpro, my intention was so! you are welcome!
[18:36] <Kilos> the pro is my mentor pavlushka 
[18:36] <inetpro> pavlushka: how about we try http://gscan2pdf.sourceforge.net/ ?
[18:36] <Kilos> but he isnt having much success
[18:36] <Kilos> i have that inetpro 
[18:37] <pavlushka> Kilos, lol @ that
[18:37] <inetpro> sudo apt install gscan2pdf
[18:37] <pavlushka> I have that installed, tell Kilos !
[18:37] <Kilos> it also cant see the scanner
[18:37] <Kilos> inetpro i have that installed
[18:38] <inetpro> yikes! That has a lot of dependancies
[18:38] <Kilos> yes many
[18:38] <Kilos> all installed
[18:39]  * inetpro will abstain
[18:40] <Kilos> ai!
[18:40] <Kilos> what must i do with it man
[18:40] <inetpro> pavlushka: if you have it, could you try it there?
[18:41] <pavlushka> a liitle problem, I have to boot into 14.04, because 16.04 supports minimal.
[18:41] <pavlushka> give me some moment for that.
[18:41] <pavlushka> wbb
[18:44] <magespawn> good evening
[18:45] <magespawn> Maaz weather Johannesburg
[18:45] <Maaz> magespawn: Too many places match Johannesburg: Johannesburg, California; Johannesburg, Michigan and Johannesburg, South Africa
[18:45] <magespawn> Maaz weather Johannesburg, South Africa
[18:45] <Maaz> magespawn: In Johannesburg, South Africa at 8:30 PM SAST on April 08, 2016: 15°C; Humidity: 59%; Wind: NNW at 17 km/h; Conditions: Clear; Sunrise/set: 6:19 AM SAST/5:57 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 7:10 AM SAST/6:59 PM SAST
[18:47] <fusionsparc> night guys...
[18:48] <pavlushka> yes inetpro , tell me
[18:49] <inetpro> pavlushka: hmm.... I don't know what to do really, I don't have the software to look at all the options
[18:50] <inetpro> but let me try to explain my thinking process
[18:50] <inetpro> first thing I would check is to see what it installed
[18:50] <inetpro> dpkg -L gscan2pdf
[18:51] <inetpro> and then look for man pages or other documentation 
[18:51] <inetpro> and start reading
[18:52] <inetpro> or be a cowboy and play the dangerous game of blindly executing executable files
[18:53] <inetpro> last point is not recommended 
[18:53] <pavlushka>  Whilst it is possible to import PDFs, this is intended to be able to round-trip files created by gscan2pdf. Hence, only the images are imported, and all text is ignored.
[18:53] <magespawn> usually results in reinstalling the os
[18:55] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[18:55] <inetpro> next option then, if that fails
[18:55] <inetpro> how about the gimp?
[18:55] <Wolfeyes> lol @ magespawn
[18:55] <Wolfeyes> heya magespawn
[18:56] <magespawn> hi Wolfeyes inetpro pavlushka 
[18:56] <Wolfeyes> magespawn: that server is up and running. Now to try connect to it with ssh on it's own internet connection.
[18:57] <inetpro> wb magespawn
[18:57] <inetpro> apparently the GIMP, when combined with a plugin called QuiteInsane, becomes a powerful scanning application
[18:57] <Wolfeyes> But I will do that over the weekend maybe, too sicka now.
[18:57] <inetpro> https://sourceforge.net/projects/quiteinsane/
[18:57] <magespawn> how is it going?
[18:58] <magespawn> Wolfeyes: port forwarding and all that set up?
[18:58] <inetpro> magespawn: good, good thanks... and by your side?
[18:58] <magespawn> getting ready to get cold up in JHB tomorrow
[18:59] <inetpro> sadly QuiteInsane seems a bit insane with it still referencing KDE2/KDE3
[18:59] <Kilos> ai!
[18:59] <Kilos> thats a tar file
[19:00] <magespawn> whats the problem inetpro ?
[19:00] <Wolfeyes> But I will do that over the weekend maybe, too sicka now.yet magespawn, I wanted to do that when it was on it's own internet connection, because it could have been different to mine.
[19:00] <inetpro> magespawn: we're building a cheap scanner for oom Kilos
[19:00] <Wolfeyes> lol
[19:01] <inetpro> :-)
[19:01] <Kilos> haha
[19:01] <inetpro> trying at least
[19:01] <Kilos> 5 mins
[19:01] <Wolfeyes> That is a way of thinking about it...
[19:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:01] <magespawn> Wolfeyes: let me know if you need input
[19:01] <magespawn> how are you building a cheap scanner?
[19:02] <Kilos> with difficulty
[19:02] <magespawn> lol
[19:02] <Wolfeyes> I always need input magespawn lol.
[19:02] <Kilos> stupid hp all in one stuck on cartridge check
[19:02] <Wolfeyes> But not now immediately
[19:02] <inetpro> magespawn: HP is being #asshole-HP with it requiring ink cartridge to act as a scanner
[19:03] <magespawn> which model?
[19:03] <pavlushka> inetpro, I have to compile it from source
[19:03] <pavlushka> the quiteinsane
[19:03] <Kilos> psc 1500
[19:03] <inetpro> pavlushka: bad idea, abot that
[19:03] <pavlushka> ok
[19:03] <inetpro> abort as well
[19:03] <pavlushka> ok for even that
[19:04]  * Kilos checks the time
[19:04] <Kilos> [20:31] <inetpro> should take you no longer than 5 minutes if it works
[19:05] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:05] <inetpro> pavlushka: press the eject button to avoid a crash landing
[19:05] <pavlushka> Kilos, he is gonna kill you in no longer than 5 minuts.
[19:05] <Kilos> lol
[19:05] <Kilos> im bigger than him
[19:06] <magespawn> 5 minutes of internet time Kilos, not real time, it is all relative
[19:06] <Kilos> obviously
[19:06] <pavlushka> magespawn, exactly
[19:06] <Kilos> Wolfeyes go to bed if you sicker man
[19:07] <pavlushka> I forgot to say lol.
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: I said, "if it works"
[19:07] <pavlushka> inetpro, I am rebooting then.
[19:07] <Wolfeyes> drinking some med lemon Kilos
[19:07] <magespawn> VueScan?
[19:07] <inetpro> pavlushka: haha
[19:08] <pavlushka> magespawn, that is a shit
[19:08] <pavlushka> ask me
[19:08] <inetpro> remember to deply the parachute as well
[19:08] <inetpro> deploy*
[19:08] <Kilos> tomorrow i get the flu bug as well then
[19:09] <Wolfeyes> I can always leave the visit, and I don't think it is flu, more like laringhitis (or how ever you spell it)
[19:10] <pavlushka> Wolfeyes, ?????
[19:10] <pavlushka> ok, wbb, dont if you gonna stick around.
[19:10] <magespawn> my old hp 4 in 1 had its own linux drivers
[19:11] <Kilos> nono
[19:11] <magespawn> Kilos: ?
[19:12] <Kilos> the prob is magespawn this one doesnt work till its done its ow boot process and aligned cartridges'
[19:12] <inetpro> cartridge == empty
[19:12] <Kilos> internet is full of peeps complaining
[19:13] <inetpro> oops
[19:13] <inetpro> 04/08 18:44:32 <kulelu88> if cartridge == empty: allfunctions = NULL
[19:13] <magespawn> ahh that should not stop it starting, most of the ones i know you can esccape it
[19:14] <Kilos> miles@ssd:~$ if cartridge == empty: allfunctions = NULL
[19:14] <Kilos> > 
[19:14] <Kilos> > 
[19:15] <Kilos> dunno where that went or what it is doing
[19:15] <inetpro> magespawn: what I'm saying is that in principle there should be a very very simple solution
[19:15] <inetpro> take a picture of a piece of paper and process the image with scanner processing and OCR software
[19:15] <Wolfeyes> sudo apt install kilosgotosleepnow     :-P
[19:15] <inetpro> OCR is optional un not needed in most cases
[19:15] <Kilos> oh lotsa stuff
[19:15] <inetpro> s/un/and/
[19:16] <Kilos> GLib-GObject-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.40.2/./gobject/gsignal.c:2580: instance '0x4d9e350' has no handler with id '2243' at /usr/bin/gscan2pdf line 3581.
[19:16] <Kilos> ai!
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: don't break it
[19:17] <Kilos> ai!
[19:17] <Kilos> no that comand does nothing
[19:17] <Kilos> doesnt even go back to prompt
[19:18] <Kilos> that glib warning was from the gscan thing
[19:18] <Wolfeyes> am I reading this correctly, there is a problem in line 3581 of file /usr/bin/gscan2pdf ? something about the id?
[19:19] <Kilos> i think the printer wont allow it in 
[19:20] <Kilos> there are a few of those lines
[19:20] <Kilos> different lines
[19:20] <magespawn> is the problem with the printer or the computer, i seem to missing something here?
[19:21] <Kilos> printer
[19:21] <Kilos> no cartridge
[19:21] <Kilos> or busted one
[19:21] <Kilos> been dry for many years
[19:22] <Kilos> also doesnt work on sister windows
[19:22] <magespawn> is the a cancel button on the printer that will get you paast the cartridge check?
[19:22] <Kilos> cant get past the cartridge ialine step of its startup process
[19:22] <Wolfeyes> if you put it on windows and right click it, in printers and devices, did it show a scan option on it's own?
[19:22] <Kilos> it just starts again and ends in same place
[19:23] <Kilos> i havent got windows handy
[19:23] <Wolfeyes> was that tried?
[19:23] <Wolfeyes> I'll bring lappy with...
[19:23] <Kilos> ty
[19:24] <Kilos> its built into the hp software so you go buy new hp cartridges
[19:24] <pavlushka> guys! what an effort? hats off, good night!
[19:24] <Kilos> sleep tight pavlushka 
[19:25] <Kilos> ty for trying to help
[19:25] <magespawn> good night pavlushka 
[19:25] <Kilos> 1.30 am there
[19:25] <Wolfeyes> night pavlushka
[19:26] <magespawn> Kilos: no cartridge at all?
[19:26] <Wolfeyes> cuba apparently only has 25% internet usage through the population, it is a crime to be connected to the internet.
[19:26] <Kilos> i dont know where to find them even magespawn q
[19:27] <Kilos> much easier to use ians tomorrow for 2 pages
[19:27] <Kilos> oh
[19:27] <Wolfeyes> in the printer :-P
[19:27] <Kilos> i have my clearance
[19:27] <magespawn> okay then no worries
[19:33] <magespawn> were you trying to add it as a scanner only?
[19:33] <Kilos> yes
[19:34] <Kilos> i have used it before and simple scan worked lekker
[19:34] <magespawn> not working now?
[19:34] <Kilos> but the printer has to get through its boot process first
[19:34] <Kilos> stops at check cartriges flashing light
[19:35] <magespawn> there is one thread where the guy manages to get it working just as a scanner, that is on windows though
[19:35] <Kilos> like a pc stuck at initramfs
[19:35] <magespawn> hp did have linux software for my 5100, that was alomost like a vm for the windows drivers
[19:37] <magespawn> http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/posts/62033
[19:37] <Wolfeyes> night everyone - medlemon finished :-/
[19:37] <magespawn> good night Wolfeyes 
[19:37] <magespawn> Kilos: 4th post down may 8 2009
[19:41] <Kilos> kits like a pc getting stuck at grub prompt
[19:41] <Kilos> i go see
[19:44] <magespawn> which model do you have specifically?
[19:44] <Kilos> psc 1500
[19:44] <kulelu88> fuck javascript
[19:45] <magespawn> not 1510 or something like that?
[19:45] <inetpro> oops...
[19:45] <magespawn> this is the software and site that i used for mine
[19:45] <magespawn> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/downloads.html
[19:45] <inetpro> kulelu88, kulelu88... please check your lingo
[19:45] <magespawn> find your model on this page http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html
[19:45] <kulelu88> *nod*
[19:46] <inetpro> lol
[19:46] <inetpro> kulelu88: what happened?
[19:46] <Kilos> lemme look on the printer
[19:46] <Kilos> simple sacn and gscan saw it as 1500
[19:47] <magespawn> usually the printers come in series, like 1500 series
[19:47] <kulelu88> I can't find a javascript framework that doesn't have 32 thousand dependencies to work
[19:47] <Kilos> nope 1500 series it says underneeth
[19:47] <inetpro> ouch! That's a lot of dependancies
[19:48] <inetpro> what are you trying to achieve?
[19:48] <kulelu88> building a simple todo app! :/
[19:49] <inetpro> yikes! You want to reinvent the wheel kulelu88?
[19:49] <magespawn> Kilos: i would try the 1510s from that website
[19:50] <Kilos> im trying to find where to see it
[19:50] <kulelu88> heck no. I just want to get a starting point and build from there, but I don't want heavy dependencies, just 3/4 JS files
[19:50] <Kilos> ohon top it says 1513 all in one
[19:52] <magespawn> there is three drop down lists there, the first you select psc, then the second 1510s, then click continue
[19:52] <inetpro> kulelu88: so you specifically want to integrate just a simple todo feature in your own little existing app of sorts?
[19:52] <magespawn> sorry Kilos two drop down lists
[19:53] <Kilos> ya i have it i think
[19:53] <kulelu88> inetpro: nope, I want to build a simple todo application, then implement my own small features to it
[19:53] <Kilos> 1513 all in one deskjet
[19:54] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:54] <magespawn> i thought you said yours was 1500?
[19:54] <kulelu88> what the heck is this: https://github.com/MakiBM/mithril-starter-kit/blob/master/package.json
[19:57] <inetpro> kulelu88: http://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/85116/simple-todo-list
[19:57] <inetpro> not sure whether that can help
[19:58] <inetpro> or http://www.sitepoint.com/building-list-jquery-local-storage/
[19:59] <inetpro> or https://www.google.com/search?q=javascript+todo+list
[20:00] <kulelu88> check this one: https://github.com/robdodson/todo-list/blob/master/package.json :D
[20:00] <inetpro> yuck!
[20:01] <kulelu88> I'm now keen to find the package.json with the biggest dependency list
[20:01] <inetpro> haha
[20:02] <inetpro> kulelu88: are you moving the goalposts?
[20:03] <kulelu88> building this todo is a yakshave in itself
[20:03] <kulelu88> cause neither of these work properly: http://todotxt.com/
[20:03] <kulelu88> web applications
[20:04] <inetpro> sounds like you have a recursive problem
[20:04] <Kilos> magespawn i give up 
[20:04] <Kilos> sh: 0: Can't open hplip-3.16.3.run
[20:05] <kulelu88> inetpro: it never ends
[20:06] <magespawn> Kilos: maybe a problem for another day
[20:06] <Kilos> yeah
[20:07] <inetpro> I want to wax the car today... Oops, the hose is still broken from the winter... I'll need to buy a new one at Home Depot
[20:07] <magespawn> well i will still be here when you want to tackle it again
[20:07] <magespawn> there is a hole in my bucket
[20:08] <kulelu88> then you walk into Home Depot and realize that your tap is rusted also, so buy a new tap
[20:08] <kulelu88> but if  the tap is rusted, the pipes probably are too
[20:08] <kulelu88> phone plumber
[20:08] <kulelu88> then you realize you don't know any good plumbers
[20:08] <kulelu88> find plumber
[20:09] <kulelu88> then you realize that most plumber finding sites are shit, so you try to build your own site
[20:09] <kulelu88> and and and
[20:09] <inetpro> haha... sounds so familiar
[20:10] <magespawn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_Hole_in_My_Bucket
[20:10] <inetpro> yikes!
[20:11] <inetpro> that's one broken link 
[20:11] <inetpro> in quassel at least
[20:11] <magespawn> or "It was a dark and stormy night..." shorter but the same outcome
[20:12] <kulelu88> are wikipedia doing permanent donation begging now? a few ads might help them 
[20:12] <inetpro> single quote in a URL, really a bad idea
[20:13] <magespawn> sorry just copy/past from firefox, i take them as i find them
[20:13] <inetpro> magespawn: not your fault 
[20:13] <magespawn> inetpro: what is it doing on your side?
[20:13] <kulelu88> as they say about applications also ~ your app is redundant when you try to implement a chat feature in it
[20:13] <inetpro> just showing a clickable link up to before the ' character
[20:15] <inetpro> kulelu88: I think those donation requests are only seasonal
[20:15] <inetpro> happens every year at a certain time
[20:15] <magespawn> http://is.gd/a7I9I7
[20:15] <magespawn> hows that inetpro ?
[20:15] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:16] <inetpro> magespawn: no stress... I just highlight, copy and paste in stead of click
[20:16] <inetpro> was just interesting
[20:16] <inetpro> he left without saying good bye?
[20:17] <inetpro> magespawn: that's a first
[20:19] <inetpro> magespawn: interesting dialog that, by the way
[20:20] <inetpro> kulelu88: hopefully you don't end up with that kinda recursion
[20:20] <inetpro> will have to put in an exit loop somewhere
[20:20] <kulelu88> I normally just give up in the end haha
[20:21] <kulelu88> javascript is ugly
[20:21] <magespawn> good night Kilos 
[20:21] <magespawn> inetpro: no worries, but good to know
[20:21] <kulelu88> really terrible
[20:21] <inetpro> a exit statement as well
[20:24] <inetpro> magespawn: I like the german version :-)
[20:24] <inetpro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STfoUg36E0g
[20:26] <Trixar_za> Getting old sucks
[20:27] <magespawn> well that was fun
[20:28] <kulelu88> how old? Trixar_za 
[20:29] <Trixar_za> 31, but currently experiencing one of the fun things that only happens in middle age :/
[20:30] <kulelu88> diabetes?
[20:30] <Trixar_za> My mother says it's TIA
[20:31] <kulelu88> this is africa?
[20:32] <Trixar_za> Transient Ischemic Attack - like a temporary blood clot that causes stroke-like symtoms
[20:33] <kulelu88> where do these clots form? near the heart?
[20:33] <superfly> kulelu88: http://www.haneycodes.net/npm-left-pad-have-we-forgotten-how-to-program/
[20:33] <kulelu88> I'm using mithril.js now superfly 
[20:33] <superfly> Trixar_za: never had anything like that... 
[20:34] <kulelu88> I have 1 input form and an add button so far
[20:35] <Trixar_za> My right side is a bit weak and the vision in my right eye is blurry. Wonders of genetics @ superfly - My mother's side of the family suffers from high cholestoral, so stuff like this will happen if I don't watch my health
[20:35] <superfly> Ugh. I'm sorry to hear that, Trixar_za 
[20:36] <kulelu88> yoh
[20:36] <kulelu88> that's so sad to hear man
[20:36] <magespawn> Trixar_za: high cholestoral can be genetic, watching your health will only do so much
[20:37] <magespawn> i have that too, on chronic medication for it
[20:37] <Trixar_za> Mine stabalizes if I do proper cardio and watch my (animal) fat intake. If I don't, it shoots up high. Mine is normally around 8 if I don't make an effort. Not as bad as my mother's which is 10
[20:38] <magespawn> 8 is still way too high
[20:39] <magespawn> mine sits around 8 as well, without meds with meds around 2.5
[20:40] <Trixar_za> I don't like those meds though - makes you feel drained and weak
[20:40]  * magespawn goes to get the box
[20:41] <magespawn> i am on adco-simvastatin 20mg, have not really noticed any side effects
[20:43] <Trixar_za> I think my mother takes that - the name is familiar
[20:44] <magespawn> the wonders of genes hey?
[20:46] <Trixar_za> Yeah. Have to say, experiences like this is a good reminder that I should be taking care of myself.
[20:46] <inetpro> Trixar_za: hmm.... look after yourself man
[20:47] <inetpro> am sure that's what oom kilos would say as well
[20:47] <inetpro> hope you find a solution to the challenge at hand
[20:50] <Trixar_za> My mother gave me some entorin or something. In her own words, it's just a glorified disprin.
[21:07] <magespawn> superfly: that is an interesting read
[21:07] <superfly> magespawn: the JS world is messed up
[21:12] <magespawn> it does not seem to have the structure that say python gets from having a unified direction
[21:15] <superfly> magespawn: amongst other things
[21:24] <magespawn> it also looks like people are using js for programming that is a little beyond what it was meant for