[05:12] morning all [05:12] hi TheMurdz [05:13] nice to see you back again [05:15] Maaz coffee on [05:15] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [05:16] hi inetpro Private_User theblazehen [05:17] Morning! Thanks, [05:17] Oh, Happy RO Friday. [05:17] whats that [05:17] Read Only Friday [05:17] haha [05:17] Don't break ANYTHING. [05:18] since ive installed kubuntu 14.04 on this lappy it hasnt broken once nyet [05:18] yrt [05:18] yet [05:19] when i used old drives on the desktop things broke often [05:19] Oh gosh, bad drives? [05:19] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [05:20] yeah [05:24] TheMurdz: is it OK if I break CI today? [05:24] Just for a little while. Then I'll fix it. [05:40] Do it just for the fun. :) [05:40] I wanna see heads on fire. [06:02] Mornings [06:02] maaz tell Kilos I have good news and bad news [06:02] mazal: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [06:34] hey Kilos, others [06:39] hi mazal theblazehen [06:39] Kilos: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell Kilos I have good news and bad news" 36 minutes and 14 seconds ago [06:39] what news mazal [06:39] More oom , morning theblazehen [06:39] sorry i was talking to my girls [06:39] hi mazal [06:39] Kilos: I tested my sim in my 3g dongle last night [06:40] yes? [06:40] and it works? [06:40] Good news first. The signal is only 2 bars , but I could at least read mail and open web sites. [06:40] Although it is only a 2 bar signal it is HDu something quality. So speed wise something I can live with [06:40] For basics anyway. Can't do big download or updates [06:41] ok [06:41] Bad news: Extremely expensive. It's not a real option [06:41] I was connected for 15 min , cost me R25 [06:41] man you must use it only for mail and im [06:41] Only read email and opened 1 web site for 2 minutes [06:41] mazal: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_3G_Modem#Low_connection_speed have you tried this? [06:41] Still , just with that 80mb was used [06:41] did you get a data bundle or use airtime [06:42] I paid R60 for only 250mb , so it actually cost me R30 just to read my mail and open a page [06:42] airtime disappears very fast [06:42] Data bundle [06:42] vodacom? [06:42] So , for interim I will do that just to quickly catch up with mail and do internet banking at least [06:42] telkom bundles are much cheaper [06:43] The good news is , that even with only 2 bar signal the speed was workable [06:43] So , if MTN could be the same at least and not worse , then Afrihost becomes a real option [06:43] 250meg is R39 [06:43] Still not tested a MTN device at my place , still looking for someone [06:44] ok [06:44] get a telkom sim and try it there [06:44] At least there is a little light for mobile solution. I will never be able to have the network I did and do the things I did before , but at least I will be able to do basics [06:44] they only about R5 [06:45] The major problem still persist though , no routers anywhere [06:45] wow [06:45] Now a question , how well does these dongles work with Ubuntu ? [06:45] easy [06:45] configure/stability/speed/software/drivers wise [06:45] nm does it all [06:46] On my Win 7 machine it was litterally plug and play [06:46] What's nm ? [06:46] it sees the dongle then you just go next next next [06:46] network manager [06:46] Ok , so that is good news also at least [06:46] So now my plan forward : [06:46] the icon on the bar [06:47] I will wait until wednesday for Telkom mobile as they are by far the cheapest and best signal. If they still can'r help me though I am thinking to tear up that application and go with Afrihost [06:47] * chesedo just waves morning to all as to not interupt the conversation o/ [06:47] Afrihost much more expensive , but I need service [06:47] Hi chesedo [06:48] BUT , here is the major flaw in that plan: Afrihost also don't have routers [06:48] just get a telkom sim and try it in your dongle [06:48] No [06:48] why [06:48] The dongle is not a long term solution [06:48] ive been using one for years [06:48] I need a ethernet router [06:48] oh ya [06:49] I don't have just the pc , have 4 devices that needs connectivity [06:49] That little dongle is just for interim now [06:49] ok [06:49] If it wasn't for that I would have been fine long ago , Telkom has a ton of those Mickey mouse wi-fi routers [06:49] 4 devices are going to eat data [06:49] But that won't work in my setup [06:50] telkom supply the d-links [06:50] I tried wi-fi once in my pc , never again. Complete crap. [06:50] i find it slow as well [06:51] thats why i have dongle in the laptop [06:51] Yep. And speed gets devided for every device that connects etc. Is just too crappy [06:51] well at least you have sorted a connection for in the meantime [06:52] meeting on the 22nd [06:52] i need to go do chores [06:52] wbb [06:52] If I only had a pac I would have taken the dongle route with 30gig and would have been online long ago. But ya , that's just the bad luck now that 1. Manufactureres of 3g routers don't make proper ones with ethernet and 2. The only one that does is out of stock [06:52] Maaz watch them [06:52] oh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon! [07:01] ai! [07:03] hi Sxuza [07:13] mazal whats a pac [07:13] oh [07:14] only a pc [07:17] pc\ [07:17] pc [07:17] lol [07:27] good morning [07:27] Maaz weather Pretoria [07:27] magespawn: In Waterkloof, South Africa at 9:00 AM SAST on April 08, 2016: 15°C; Humidity: 6°C; Wind: km/h; Conditions: ; Sunrise/set: 6:19 AM SAST/5:58 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 7:10 AM SAST/6:59 PM SAST [07:28] hi magespawn [07:28] hi Kilos [07:28] is that accurate? [07:28] its above 15 now [07:29] but 6 tonight could be [07:29] i am going tohave to pack every warm thing i own [07:29] lol [07:30] Friday: Overcast. High: 19° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 10° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 22° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 12° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 26° C., Sunday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 12° C., Monday: Clear. High: 26° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 13° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 28° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 14° C., [07:34] is that JHB Kilos ? [07:34] hi Wolfeyes [07:34] pretoria Sxuza [07:35] Maaz forecast johannesburg south africa [07:35] Kilos: Friday: Overcast. High: 16° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 9° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 21° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 11° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 23° C., Sunday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 11° C., Monday: Clear. High: 24° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 12° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 26° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 13° [07:35] C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 26° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low: 13° C., Thursday: Cle… [07:42] morning everyone and Kilos [07:51] hi bushtech [07:54] hi Kilos others [08:01] Hi dears! [08:08] oom Kilos: I have more news [08:08] tell mazal [08:08] I am STUNNED !!!!! [08:09] routers arrived [08:09] So , barry brought his old MTN router to work from when he still was with them [08:09] We went to my home now to test it ( to see the MTN signal ) [08:09] ok [08:10] 8.4mb down and 2.5mb up [08:10] I couldn't believe my eyes [08:10] great [08:10] That's with a signal jumping between 1 and 2 bars only [08:10] then you can go with afrihost [08:10] Only prob with that , they have 4 times less data fro the same price :( [08:11] So I need to think clearly on this and take my time [08:11] Not make a wrong choice. [08:11] But yes , now I have physical tested info that Afrihost is a real option [08:12] So from the 3 tested , signal wise it's Best MTN , 2nd Telkom , 3rd Vodacom [08:13] But data wise Telkom by far best [08:14] there was a mail the other day offering 15g [08:15] inetpro will remember [08:15] That's the one I was looking at yesterday [08:15] R497 for 15gig. Data only , no router , no midnight double data [08:16] you just have to learn to download less [08:16] Telscum R530 , 30gig anytime , 30gig midnight and a router [08:16] So afrihost 4 times less for almost same price. That's a BIG difference [08:16] im happy with telkom mobile [08:17] one has to decide what easiest on the pocket as well [08:18] the money tree is dead [08:21] mazal_: afrihost also have the afrihost plus add-on for R99 which doubles your data [08:22] its definitely good value for larger packages [08:22] I think on anything over 3GB package having that add-on makes sense [08:23] for example, 8GB afrihost is R397. with afrihost plus you pay R99 more (R496 total) for 16GB [08:25] is that afrihost deal contract or pay as u go? [08:26] thatgraemeguy: Thanx for that info [08:26] month-to-month, afrihost don't do contracts on any of their products [08:27] thatgraemeguy: Thanks. Thats great gonna look at it [08:27] the afrihost plus thing includes a few extras but doubleing the data is by far the most valuable [08:28] Sjoe , I dunno what to do [08:28] how much are you willing to spend? [08:28] It's more a matter of how much data I need to sustain what I do [08:29] So , life style changes is also a factor here [08:29] no, when it comes to mobile, its a matter of how much you want to spend ;-) [08:29] lol [08:29] thatgraemeguy: I can't really go over R600. That's what my adsl limit also was [08:29] unless you don't mind spending R1000+, you need to limit internet activity on mobile [08:30] does 600 include paying off a device over 12 months or are you going to purchase that cash once-off? [08:30] That's where Telscum is also best , includes device. Afrihost don't [08:30] afrihost sell devices [08:31] telkom don't "include" it, you pay for it make no mistake [08:31] Yes I know , but that's my point. Their monthly payment is almost the same for a device and 4x the data [08:32] meh, ok do what you want, doesn't sound like you need help after all [08:32] The device is included in the payment which makes the price of the data even cheaper [08:32] But I am looking purely at data. I will buy a device if needs be , that's a once off [08:33] So is basically 30 @ R600 vs 60 @R530 [08:33] I need to decide if 30 will do basically [08:34] And the fact that the MTN signal kicks ass by far I must also concider [08:35] ai! decisions decisions [08:35] if mobile deals started offering unmetered after-hours data like capped ADSL accounts mostly do, I'd be in [08:36] I only use about 30-40GB on average of my capped portion [08:36] Fact is , with 30 what I do becomes a factor , cos I can't sustain with 30 [08:36] My average was 50 anytime and about 20 midnight [08:36] So I will think long and hard this weekend on my hobbies and what I am willing to sacrifise [08:48] Correction , the Afrihost R497 is only 10gig , not 15 :( [08:56] TheMurdz you around ? [08:56] Yes sir! [08:56] What's up [08:56] Can I ask a question , re the mobile please [08:56] Sure, I'll answer the best I can. Ask away. [08:56] I already have an Afrihost account that I previously used for adsl [08:57] Now if I want mobile , to I just add a mobile package of my choice ? I don't see a selection for sim also , will the guys that side know it needs a sim as well ? [08:57] Not sure about that part [08:58] You just want data right? [08:58] SIM + Data plan? [08:58] That's correct [08:59] Here's the section for Mobile Data https://www.afrihost.com/site/product/mobile_data?src=website_nav [08:59] Go there, Order, Then before the order completes you'll select the SIM [08:59] I logged in on my control panel , selected mobile plans , selected month-to-month data - then click on one. It shows price but not whether sim is included or not. Does it automatically include sim ? [09:00] Ok , lemme see [09:00] YEs, the sim is included by default [09:00] It'll just ask you to select the SIM size you'd like before the order completes. [09:00] And the sim comes with courier yes ? [09:00] Correct. [09:00] Thanx a lot ;) [09:00] I am so glad you are here hehehehe [09:00] Also, the courier will do RICA on the spot, so just make sure you have your docs ready for RICA [09:00] haha, cool cool. [09:01] hmm... [09:01] is it Friday yet? [09:01] good mornings [09:02] Morning! It's finally FRIDAY! [09:02] hi inetpro [09:05] bbl going for clearance [09:08] It's Friday, and they decide it's the best time to do Generator maintenance. I'm sorry to all those stuck in the bathroom when the lights go off >..> [09:22] * TheMurdz sighs [09:28] TheMurdz: Thanx , order placed , found all relevant info [09:28] Sweet. [09:29] Here's hoping I stop struggling now for a change [09:37] bye for now all [09:37] Have a nice weekend [09:46] ai, the poor guy never took a proper look at wisp [09:46] *s [10:32] 04/08 08:41 Only read email and opened 1 web site for 2 minutes [10:32] 04/08 08:41 Still , just with that 80mb was used [10:32] Kilos: the poor dude will have to learn from you how to limit usage of data [10:33] with 80MB in 2 minutes for just 1 website and emails there's something major wrong with how he does things [10:37] May need to recommend Nethogs to Mazal, Just thought of a quick search (Assuming he's on buntu) http://askubuntu.com/questions/532424/how-to-monitor-bandwidth-usage [10:40] Hmmm, Maybe not. It's not as nice as I thought it would be. Maybe something like GlassWire (Windows) if so. [10:40] * TheMurdz gets excited for Bash on Ubuntu on Windows [10:40] does the website have a video in it mazal, or maybe something which is constantly updating data ? [10:41] @Wolfeyes, Mazal's offline :( [10:41] yeah I saw when I typed in the name, will resend to him when I see him again. [10:44] nethogs is nice for monitoring current usage [11:00] hmm... [11:00] Kilos: and he leaves even earlier on a Friday as well? [11:01] just as I wanted to thank him about nethogs [11:01] chesedo: nice command indeed! [11:04] would just be nice if one could see accumulative usage over a period of time [11:04] inetpro: think it's more that generator maintenance that he mentioned [11:06] chesedo: generator maintenance? [11:07] [11:08:23] It's Friday, and they decide it's the best time to do Generator maintenance. I'm sorry to all those stuck in the bathroom when the lights go off >..> [11:07] he lost connection after that too [11:08] ahh... [11:08] thanks chesedo [11:08] * inetpro clearly not reading it all today [11:09] and oom Kilos must be sleeping again as well [11:09] and as usual perhaps :-) [11:14] guess we will know the accuracy of that based on his reponse time :D [11:28] chesedo: trace mode is nice [11:28] with nethogs [11:28] inetpro: have never tried it [11:29] been a while since i've used it [11:29] then again, difficult to read at normal refresh rate and inaccurate by the looks of it when setting a delay [11:53] hmm... [11:53] just got back from fetching my clearance certificate [11:53] lol [11:59] aha [11:59] sorry Kilos! [12:01] lol np [12:11] hi inetpro!!! [12:11] and Hi Kilos ! [12:12] pavlushka: eh, hello [12:12] hi pavlushka [12:12] inetpro, are you testing 16.04? [12:18] inetpro have you tried etherape? similar to nethogs [12:24] Hi magespawn! [12:25] ahh, hi pavlushka [12:25] How are you? [12:25] good and you [12:25] ? [12:28] . [12:29] # [12:30] ? [12:30] ! [12:30] !! [12:31] Maaz coffee on [12:31] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [12:32] Maaz: tee please [12:32] chesedo: What? [12:32] brr forgot [12:32] yea [12:32] tea [12:32] Maaz: milo please [12:32] chesedo: Huh? [12:32] Maaz: hot chocolate please [12:32] chesedo: *blink* [12:32] Maaz: coffee please [12:32] chesedo: Yessir [12:33] Maaz: with milk [12:33] Haha chesedo You aren't one of those that needs to drink black coffee to be able to cast a shadow! [12:33] Maaz: tea please [12:33] As soon as the kettle boils superfly I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already [12:33] Maaz: if you say so [12:33] chesedo: Excuse me? [12:33] Maaz: I don't have a tea bag [12:33] superfly: Got it [12:33] Maaz: I [12:33] superfly: I do not know [12:33] Maaz: I don't [12:33] superfly: I don't have a tea bag [12:33] hahaha [12:35] Coffee's ready for Kilos and chesedo! [12:35] lol [12:35] Maaz ty [12:35] You are welcome Kilos [12:36] Maaz: Where's my tea? [12:36] superfly: Huh? [12:36] Maaz: I said, where's my tea? [12:36] superfly: What? [12:37] Maaz: ty [12:37] You are welcome chesedo [12:40] magespawn, sorry, I am fine and sorry. [12:41] no worries pavlushka [12:42] inetpro, you told me you are not a developer, me neither, just asking. [12:42] hi chesedo ! [12:42] hi pavlushka [12:42] but aren't you learning python [12:43] ? [13:00] chesedo, it's still in the learning phase. [13:01] maaz coffee for Kilos [13:01] pavlushka: Excuse me? [13:02] Maaz, you are excused. [13:02] pavlushka: I already know stuff about you [13:02] pavlushka have you started learning python or started thinking aout it [13:04] trying to find a way for lpi.org and bought a printer to print python books trust me Kilos , coz I tried with soft books earlier but kinda difficult. [13:05] meanwhile doing some Ubuntu translations. [13:08] and to make it more difficult, power system is acting rough. [13:08] eish [13:19] Hi superfly ! [14:02] later home time [15:01] Kilos: go check on mattermost [15:01] ok [15:05] inetpro i forget who he is [15:05] just remember the nick [15:05] Kilos: you forgot wasbeer? Really!? [15:05] his real name man [15:06] * inetpro goes to look for the grease [15:06] ai! [15:06] pain pills work better [15:07] Kilos: the guy who also used to be in the Afrikaans channel [15:07] one of the old translate.org.za guys [15:15] Maaz coffee on [15:15] * Maaz washes some mugs [15:18] Maaz hurry [15:18] Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed [15:18] Maaz: coffee please [15:18] inetpro: Sure [15:19] Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! [15:19] Maaz thanks [15:19] Kilos: No problem [15:30] Maaz: dankie [15:30] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [16:00] hi fusionsparc [16:06] Hi Kilos, you been well? [16:06] yes ty and you? [16:06] Well enough.. :) [16:07] where the clever guys [16:07] Atleast it is weekend. [16:08] HP PSC 1510 All in one with no cartridge in, how do i get past the print setup and scan only [16:09] Hmmm...as far as I know you can't do anything untill you replace those cartrages. [16:10] eish i want to scan 2 pages. waste of money to buy cartridges that will never be used [16:11] they should put a print section off button o the thing [16:12] Cartrages are pricey indeed..:/ [16:13] and the printer neve gets used so thats even more of a waste [16:17] I would think. [16:18] Not a fan of ink printers by default.. [16:22] http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/posts/62033 [16:22] ty lemme see [16:22] Have a look at the 4th response...Might help.. [16:25] Kilos: use your mobile phone for scanning [16:25] you don't need a scanner [16:25] just take a pic? [16:26] take a pic is one option [16:26] and the other? [16:26] but there's apps like CamScanner that cleans up a pic like a real scanner [16:26] i got old nokia mas [16:26] man [16:27] sms and call [16:27] the clearance certificate must be clear and readable [16:28] yikes! No Android phone there? [16:28] nope [16:28] * inetpro hangs his head in disapointment [16:29] ian just said he will bring his scanner the weekend [16:29] yay [16:29] but i wanna try fix this thing so sis can scan with it [16:30] simple-san sees it but it cant scan [16:30] sigh [16:31] Hi Kilos I am back agn. [16:31] with electricity [16:31] hi pavlushka [16:32] hey, can you tell me the details of the scanner? [16:32] I missed. [16:36] is the scanner correctly identified in Preferences? [16:38] for any kind of scanner in linux, the 2nd best solution is "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rolfbensch/sane-git",then "sudo apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade" [16:39]