[00:00] <FLinux291> TJ- Oh. Thats the issue, i cannot find a UEFI driver for my chipset, i dont know why.
[00:00] <SaraKnoodle> sebsebseb.. i ve found a script on the internet making the job for me... and it worked
[00:00] <FLinux291> SH script?
[00:00] <sebsebseb> SaraKnoodle: random scripts on net hmm
[00:00] <SaraKnoodle> yes
[00:00] <sebsebseb> SaraKnoodle: some scripts wil be malicious like that
[00:00] <SaraKnoodle> ubuntuhandbook.org :)
[00:00] <SaraKnoodle> good to know
[00:00] <SaraKnoodle> let me paste it
[00:01] <cshdeu> Ola
[00:01] <SaraKnoodle> ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/08/install-last-kernel-script
[00:01] <TJ-> FLinux291: right, a manufacturer issue. That could just as easily affect  BIOS firmware though, I don't think its fair to blame UEFI API for that. UEFI design is incredible; fixed all the problems that BIOS and other firmwares revealed over the years.
[00:01] <SaraKnoodle> hold on.. i reboot ubuntu
[00:02] <FLinux291> TJ- I know. It solved my issue with Win8.1 but it doesnt solve issues with Linux, even in secure boot off. Well i will check my UEFI settings.
[00:03] <Mitchell92> how will ubuntu work with a touch screen notebook? Will it act like another pointing device, and if so can I easily disable it?
[00:04] <SaraKnoodle> back here
[00:04] <TJ-> FLinux291: if you remember, check which brand/version the firmware is, because I've been collecting a list of the poor ones. Acer and Lenovo seem to come high on the list, with Insyde H20 and others
[00:04] <SaraKnoodle> sebsebseb did you check that site?
[00:04] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: my lap top using righ now is touch screen :)
[00:04] <sebsebseb> SaraKnoodle: nope
[00:04] <Mitchell92> sebsebseb, how is it workign on linux? Can you go in and disable it just as if it were a pointing device?
[00:04] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: the noteboot also had a normal trackpad etc?
[00:05] <Mitchell92> sebsebseb, the one I ordered does, yes
[00:05] <Mitchell92> it just also happens to have a touch screen.
[00:05] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: yes I think there's probably a setting some where to disable it, but I don't boher doing that
[00:05] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: I tend to use the normal track pad to
[00:05] <sebsebseb> ,but
[00:05] <sebsebseb> it's worked well in aa few distros
[00:06] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: there will be a setting or a commadn or something to disable it though sure
[00:06] <SaraKnoodle> doesnt matter
[00:06] <Mitchell92> Yeah. As well as the EUFI that these machines have, if thats what its called... I forget, will I need to go into the bios and change settings prior to an ubuntu install?
[00:06] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: yep
[00:07] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: go in there disable secure boot
[00:07] <sebsebseb> and then after that should be good to go
[00:07] <Mitchell92> Okay. What would hapen if I don't disable secure boot?
[00:07] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: your usb  etc external drives won't even boot up with secure boot enabled
[00:07] <Mitchell92> oh, wow... okay
[00:07] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: oh and I was answering that typing that as your question came in
[00:07] <Mitchell92> Thanks. :)
[00:08] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: some UEFI bioses don't have a disable  secure boot option or it's maybe quite hidden away, but most do so shoudl be ok
[00:09] <Mitchell92> Okay. I have a desktop computer that I got off newegg refurbished and i was able to load up linux without changing bios and it didnt even have a secure boot option
[00:09] <TJ-> sebsebseb: most UEFI compliant firmware *should* boot Ubuntu ISOs with Secure Boot enabled, because we use signed images
[00:09] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: UEFI is only for the newer computers
[00:09] <Mitchell92> I'll be very frustrated if the one I just ordered gives me issues. Hopefully I can go in and disable secure boot, or maybe it wont even have one.
[00:09] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: everythng else will be the old bios set up
[00:10] <Mitchell92> I know when installling ubuntu on the desktop it asked me if i wanted to run it in uefi mode or not
[00:10] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: TJ- may have a point just now, but for my usual distro it would need to be disabled
[00:10] <sebsebseb> Mitchell92: and I think the USB's still won't boot up with it enabled
[00:10] <TJ-> sebsebseb: some systems have this weird 'security' option where you have to pre-authorise a boot-loader executable (grubx64.efi) in Setup before booting, even with S.B. disabled
[00:11] <FLinux291> Mitchell92 You changed the settings to Legacy/CSM?
[00:12] <SaraKnoodle> goodnight people
[00:12]  * sebsebseb was only meant to be here briefly ish  whilst vagueing watching something on tv  and before finally ordering a Ubuntu tablet
[00:12] <sebsebseb> vaguely above
[00:12] <SaraKnoodle> xxx
[00:12] <FLinux291> SaraKnoodle goodnight
[00:12] <sebsebseb> SaraKnoodle: ok night good luck with your issues
[00:12] <SaraKnoodle> thanks
[00:13] <Hydr0p0nX> anyone help w/ an issue of automount not mounting dvd while it mounts bluray w/o issue?
[00:13] <Hydr0p0nX> I can manually mount the dvd and watch it, just automount failing
[00:14] <TJ-> Yikes, that's freaky! Alt+left or Alt+Right switches me to another tty! thought I'd blown it up for a moment
[00:14] <gonka> hola
[00:17] <FLinux291> well goodnight need to repair some linux computers in my house :v
[00:19] <EriC^^> TJ-: nice find
[00:20] <TJ-> EriC^^: caught me out because I mis-keyed in weechat, from Alt+Down to move down the channel list!
[00:21] <TJ-> EriC^^: I thought all the X server shortcut keys like that were supposed to be protected with needing Ctrl+ as well
[00:22] <Ben64> alt-left does nothing here
[00:23] <Ben64> wait, it moves the #ubuntu channel in the list on the left up
[00:24] <Bashing-om> alt left/right - irssi -cycles through the windows for me .
[00:24] <EriC^^> TJ-: wow, pretty odd
[00:24] <EriC^^> TJ-: try holding alt then press d, then c, in an empty tty
[00:24] <EriC^^> seems to clear it or stop getty or something
[00:25] <shadw_itman> TJ-:  so ya... i deleted all the partitions execpt for the recovery partition... (ie including the GSP parition).... now the computer wont boot anything
[00:25] <EriC^^> i also borked it completely making it give weird characters every where somehow, no idea how though
[00:25] <squinty> empty tty here on 16.04 will cycle through the various tty's using just alt left right
[00:25] <shadw_itman> TJ-:  i guess my only option is to go back to legacy and load the win10 iso
[00:27] <engineer-pearl> So I have a bash script that I am trying to schedule in crontab, but... I need to interact with it (to prevent it from interfiering with another process.) I currently have it as opening a window in the terminal, but I don't think that worked. How do I make the script able to open a terminal?
[00:29] <EriC^^> ctrl+alt+left/right/up/down arrows move the cursor around
[00:32] <sakib16> hello
[00:33] <vervet> engineer-pearl: depends what terminal/what you're trying to achieve, i can do this with `lxterminal -e 'bash'` for example
[00:33] <engineer-pearl> I generally work in gnome-terminal
[00:33] <engineer-pearl> And when running the script myself, it seems to work
[00:34] <engineer-pearl> wait... I might be being an idiot here; do I need to restart my system before changes through crontab -e take effect?
[00:36] <TJ-> EriC^^: by 'empty tty' you mean  say tty1 before login?
[00:37] <EriC^^> it seems to clear the screen or something, at first it was just empty for me and pressing enter showed stuff
[00:37] <EriC^^> i'm curious what ctrl+s does though, after i press it some light on the keyboard lights up and i can't type anymore in the tty
[00:38] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: ctl+o to unlock the display ?
[00:39] <EriC^^> says online "Send [End-of-File] to the current process. Don't press it twice else you also log out (see the previous command)."
[00:39] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: nope, not working
[00:40] <EriC^^> ctrl+s seems to only work in the tty for me
[00:40] <vervet> engineer-pearl: you shouldn't need a reboot, i don't think, crond if running should read the changes in crontab
[00:40] <EriC^^> oh, it says ctrl+s "Stop the transfer to the terminal."
[00:41] <EriC^^> ctrl+q resumes
[00:41] <EriC^^> cool..
[00:41] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: :)
[00:41] <EriC^^> :)
[00:41] <TJ-> EriC^^: Ctrl+S and Ctrl+Q are the tty Suspend/Resume sequences
[00:41] <TJ-> EriC^^: think like modems :)
[00:43] <EriC^^> :)
[00:44] <EriC^^> there are a ton of shortcuts here http://lnag.sourceforge.net/lnag_html/node5.html#SECTION00521300000000000000
[00:45] <billy_> hello- i just did a full install of ubuntu studio 14.04.4 on my acer laptop... booted up the first time... and installed the recommended updates... a bunch of security updates, and 2 studio base updates... rebooted... and then the mouse touchpad no longer worked... so I re installed and the mouse works fine but I am now frightened to install updates... has anyone encountered this problem? any ideas would be appreciated ThanX ;0
[00:46] <TJ-> EriC^^: "man 4 console_codes"
[00:47] <EriC^^> TJ-: thanks
[00:47] <compdoc> billy_, might leave it as is until the next major release in a couple weeks
[00:50] <jnxd> hey.  Apparently, my /boot (separate partition) is now full, and just followed http://askubuntu.com/questions/298487/not-enough-free-disk-space-when-upgrading.
[00:50] <EriC^^> jnxd: ok, and?
[00:52] <jnxd_> EriC^^: ...However, when I checked /boot, it seems there are an aweful fot of files for linux 3.19 (I'm on wily, so 4.2 is what I need)
[00:52] <jnxd_> EriC^^: sorry got disconnected
[00:52] <crond> vervet, you pinged me?
[00:53] <EriC^^> jnxd_: ok, type dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:53] <jnxd_> EriC^^: totally blank
[00:54] <EriC^^> the link?
[00:54] <jnxd_> EriC^^: no results at all
[00:54] <EriC^^> or you mean it just didn't give anything
[00:54] <jnxd_> EriC^^: yes that
[00:55] <EriC^^> try dpkg -l linux-image*
[00:55] <TJ-> EriC^^: you know you can just do "dpkg -l linux-image* | ..." ?
[00:55] <TJ-> haha :)
[00:55] <EriC^^> :)
[00:56] <vervet> crond: in the name of the daemon, sorry :)
[00:56] <jnxd_> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15680742/
[00:57] <EriC^^> jnxd_: try ls -l /boot | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:58] <jnxd_> EriC^^: null again
[00:59] <EriC^^> try ls -l /boot
[00:59] <EriC^^> also type uname -r
[01:00] <jnxd_> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15680766/
[01:04] <DramaticGenitali>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER NutsEverywhere shzsrudgvnoq
[01:04] <reisio> :D
[01:04] <reisio> cute nick
[01:04] <DramaticGenitali> LOL
[01:04] <DramaticGenitali> geeez
[01:05] <DramaticGenitali> coming back to irc after so many years
[01:05] <reisio> uhuh :p
[01:05] <compdoc> you never run sudo apt-get autoremove?
[01:05] <EriC^^> jnxd_: try sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.19.0-16-generic
[01:06] <EriC^^> jnxd_: then sudo purge linux-image-3.19.0-16-generic and see if it's disappeared from /boot
[01:06] <EriC^^> *sudo apt-get purge ..
[01:06] <jnxd_> EriC^^: aye
[01:08] <k1l> running "sudo apt autoremove" should take care of removing the old kernels
[01:08] <jnxd_> EriC^^: "...Unable to locate package linux-image-3.19.0-16-generic..."
[01:08] <EriC^^> k1l: dpkg -l is empty but somehow everything is still in /boot
[01:10] <k1l> hmm
[01:10] <k1l> maybe some autoremove was run, when /boot wasnt mounted?
[01:10] <EriC^^> that makes sense
[01:11] <k1l> but if dpkg says they are gone, i would remove those files from /boot.
[01:11] <jnxd_> kll, EriC^^: I had upgraded from vivid to wily around the time vivid's support expired
[01:11] <NutsEverywhere> anyone know of a good way to automatically clean unused config folders from ~?
[01:12] <EriC^^> jnxd_: sudo rm /boot/*3.19
[01:12] <EriC^^> jnxd_: sudo rm /boot/*3.19*
[01:12] <jnxd_> EriC^^: I did think of that, but is it safe enough?
[01:13] <EriC^^> jnxd_: also sudo rm -r /lib/modules/*3.19*
[01:13] <EriC^^> jnxd_: yeah i just checked, the only files in the pc are there and in /lib/modules , also there's a copyright notice in /usr/share/docs not worth it though
[01:14] <jnxd_> no mention of 3.19 in ls -l /lib/modules/
[01:15] <jnxd_> EriC^^: ^
[01:15] <EriC^^> that makes sense
[01:15] <EriC^^> cause only /boot wasn't mounted
[01:17] <jnxd_> EriC^^: much cleaner now. here's to hoping the pc does start when I rebood it :D
[01:18] <icelord> Hi
[01:18] <DANtheBEASTman> icelord: Hi
[01:19] <VinceVon> @icelord hi
[01:19] <DANtheBEASTman> VinceVon: @icelord hi
[01:19] <IdleOne> test
[01:19] <icelord> Easy
[01:19] <k1l> hi
[01:19] <DANtheBEASTman> k1l: hi
[01:19] <IdleOne> hi
[01:19] <DANtheBEASTman> IdleOne: hi
[01:19] <VinceVon> hi
[01:19] <VinceVon> lol
[01:21] <VinceVon> right, I've got two questions. how can I autoclean my home folder unused config folders? and how can I move the damn window buttons to the right on unity?
[01:22] <EriC^^> VinceVon: 1) good question, 2) that's pretty impossible
[01:22] <VinceVon> it was possible on 14 through unity tweak, right?
[01:22] <VinceVon> suddenly, not anymore
[01:22] <EriC^^> nope, i dont think it ever was
[01:22] <Slayn> Noop Question: If I wanted to connect to this chat via command line, what would be the best way to do that?
[01:22] <Slayn> *noob
[01:22] <VinceVon> hmm, maybe I was remembering wrong
[01:22] <EriC^^> VinceVon: maybe you're thinking ubuntu-mate?
[01:23] <VinceVon> I was probably messing around with a gnome vm
[01:23] <slackho> when is it being released 7 april past. no show. sue.
[01:23] <EriC^^> Slayn: irssi or weechat
[01:23] <EriC^^> (sudo apt-get install irssi)
[01:23] <k1l> !16.04 | slackho
[01:23] <nomic> slayn -- bitcx works on command line
[01:23] <Slayn> heard weechat before, that sells it, thank you!
[01:24] <nomic> bitchx
[01:24] <VinceVon> irssi is incredible
[01:24] <Slayn> I'm kind of thinking of using IRC as a way to keep up with my friends in a classic way
[01:24] <HickorySmokedBac> Is there still emulated Ubuntu to run along side Windows? Wubi I think it was called?
[01:24] <Ben64> wubi wasn't emulated, it doesn't work
[01:24] <Slayn> It seems like a fun, simple solution, but maybe that's naieve
[01:24] <k1l> HickorySmokedBac: wubi is dead.
[01:25] <HickorySmokedBac> k1l: So it's partition with Windows only now?
[01:25] <HickorySmokedBac> or VM
[01:25] <EriC^^> wubi is like that villain in harry potter and nobody likes to mention his name
[01:25] <HickorySmokedBac> o.o
[01:25] <k1l> HickorySmokedBac: yes. make real partitions to install ubuntu native. or use vm
[01:25] <VinceVon> lol, didn't know it had such bad rep
[01:26] <Hydr0p0nX> anyone help w/ an issue of automount not mounting dvd while it mounts bluray w/o issue? I can manually mount the dvd and watch it, just automount failing; bluray automounts in the same drive
[01:30] <VinceVon> the closest I can get is helping with automounting cifs samba shares on boot
[01:30] <iptoux> hi, i have a problem with my 2 monitor setup under ubuntu gnome, when i have a video (stream/youtube) on my second monitor open (in firefox (other browsers not tested)) i always got a notification when i minimize windows or sub windows close
[01:31] <iptoux> i made a short record https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxuY3Ojp9_E
[01:31] <steven1> I think I did it
[01:31] <iptoux> i using an nvidia gtx 960 with nvidia drivers
[01:31] <steven1> Ok, managed to join the server using weechat
[01:31] <steven1> success!
[01:32] <steven1> Thank you Eric^^
[01:33] <EriC^^> steven1: no problem
[01:34] <steven1> now I just need to figure out how the rest of this works
[01:34] <VinceVon> steven1 draw the rest of the fucking owl
[01:34] <steven1> ...
[01:35] <steven1> [0v0]
[01:36] <drvanon> I have a question about my router that is completely unrelated to my router, where is a good channel where I can ask it?
[01:36] <llinguini> Anybody here use a chromebook
[01:36] <drvanon> *what is a good channel*
[01:36] <llinguini> without crouton?
[01:36] <Ben64> drvanon: ##networking ?
[01:37] <drvanon> Thanks
[01:37] <ServerBoi> Anyone here want to help me with some Samba setup issues?
[01:38] <Mitchell92> Skype on Linux... I'm told that now that Microsoft owns it, its outdated and may no longer be supported. There aren't any like open source Skype clients out there, are there? I only use it for instant messenger, no video or voice... I just chat on it as my contacts use it
[01:38] <naga__> hi
[01:39] <vervet> join #networking
[01:39] <steven1> I don't think there's a way to chat with Skype users outside of skype, unfortunately...
[01:39] <vervet> woo fail
[01:39] <steven1> %n
[01:40] <ServerBoi> Vervet, there isn´t a channel by that name
[01:40] <ServerBoi> Sadly
[01:40] <nedstark> Mitchell92, you can install an android emulator and use the android app
[01:40] <Mitchell92> ehh
[01:40] <Mitchell92> i'd rather use the skype client thats out now
[01:40] <nedstark> or dualboot androidx86
[01:41] <vervet> ServerBoi: autoforwarded me to the right place :D
[01:41] <ServerBoi> wut m8
[01:42] <VinceVon> ServerBoi, what samba issues?
[01:42] <Rave1> Mitchell92,  there is a client called kopete that has a skype  plugin  I have never tried to see if it works though
[01:45] <llinguini> aybody?
[01:45] <llinguini> I'm looking for a good chromebook
[01:45] <nedstark> doesn't the skype web client work with linux ?
[01:45] <Mitchell92> hey
[01:45] <llinguini> I saw the article comparing the Chromebook modles on the archlinux wiki, but most of them are pretty old
[01:46] <Mitchell92> llinguini, i have a chromebook, the arm one samsung made, got it a few years ago... i like it... it just doesn't do much... and the whole crouton thing for me just didnt cut it
[01:46] <Rave1> the available linux skype client works fine here
[01:47] <nedstark> i heard it works fine when talking to another old client
[01:47] <nedstark> but not the new clients
[01:48] <Rave1> maybe I havnt used it much come to think about it it has been a month or so
[01:50] <llinguini> Mitchell92: I am currently debating either going with Arch Linux or sticking with Ubuntu. But I woulod still prefer and x86_64 architecture
[01:50] <llinguini> Mitchell92: Also I don't really want to use crouton
[01:50] <HickorySmokedBac> I wonder if there is any *buntu's that'll run on 1 GB RAM 2005 PCs?
[01:51] <HickorySmokedBac> I'm going to assume it'll be XFCE (Xubuntu) based and that's all it could do ?
[01:51] <warhero> You could probably also run Lubuntu (LXDE).
[01:51] <Ben64> HickorySmokedBac: lubuntu, ubuntu mate probably
[01:52] <k1l> !lubuntu | HickorySmokedBac
[01:52] <HickorySmokedBac> Ben64: I thought only Mint had Mate
[01:52] <warhero> You could also run a more lightweight desktop environment like a tiled window manager.
[01:52] <k1l> HickorySmokedBac: lubuntu is made for old and slow hardware.
[01:52] <Ben64> HickorySmokedBac: ubuntu mate is a newer official flavor
[01:52] <warhero> Well, Mate isn't locked to any flavor of GNU/Linux.
[01:52] <HickorySmokedBac> k1l: yeah, LXDE is sweet.
[01:52] <k1l> HickorySmokedBac: ubuntu got mate and cinnamon in th repos. and even pre installed mate isos
[01:53] <vervet> HickorySmokedBac: or even Openbox WM from LXDE
[01:53] <warhero> Openbox is really lightweight and flexible, too.
[01:54] <HickorySmokedBac> Does Lubuntu come in supported LTS now?
[01:54] <HickorySmokedBac> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu/LTS
[01:54] <HickorySmokedBac> Seems so
[01:55] <Rinomil> Has anyone tested Kodi with 16.06, I'm currently running the last LTS, and things are running well
[01:55] <Rinomil> but I'd love to upgrade come the new release
[01:56] <Rinomil> but my Ubuntu box is mostly responsible for running Kodi and talking to the NAS, so I don't want to break anything
[01:56] <HickorySmokedBac> I hope his machine can boot from USB that old
[01:56] <HickorySmokedBac> Anyway, I did my part in helping him replace Vista
[01:57] <Rave1> HickorySmokedBac,  if it cant look at plop bootmanager
[01:57] <nedstark> kodi in 16.04 has 2 open bugs, but it might work for you
[01:57] <k1l> #ubuntu+1 for the 16.04 release
[01:57] <Rinomil> Thanks
[01:57] <Rinomil> 16.04, not 16.06, whoops
[01:57] <k1l> HickorySmokedBac: lubuntu should still  fit onto a cd
[01:58] <HickorySmokedBac> 16.06 is an LTS?
[01:58] <HickorySmokedBac> Wait it comes in 14.04
[01:58] <Rinomil> Either 16.04 or 16.06 is the next LTS
[01:58] <k1l> yes, 16.04 will be LTS
[01:58] <Rinomil> but now I realize I'm completely confused on the nomenclature
[01:58] <HickorySmokedBac> 14.04 is the current LTS I guess ?
[01:58] <nedstark> 16.04 will be released in a few weeks, and if you run the beta, i'd still suggest a complete reinstall because upgrading betas to final has led to problems in the past
[01:59] <k1l> Rinomil: Year.Month
[01:59] <Rinomil> ha, thank you!
[02:00] <Rinomil> Anyway, I'm planning on abandoning Mint on my laptop and upgrading my HTPC on the new release assuming Kodi works smoothly
[02:00] <Rinomil> but maybe I should wait a bit
[02:00] <Rinomil> Really appreciate the help, regardless, so thanks all of you for responding to me
[02:03] <gshmu> 4.4.0-15-generic #31~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 21 21:21:45 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux        I can't get the tty, Ctrl+Alt+F1 is full black
[02:06] <DrManhattan> I have migrated over to kernel 3-19 from 3-13. I would like to permanently remove 3-13 and its related headers and the such, and then not have them reinstalled if I do a dist-upgrade. Is this possible?
[02:06] <Ben64> DrManhattan: how did you go to 3.19
[02:06] <k1l> DrManhattan: running 14.04?
[02:07] <DrManhattan> k1l - yes
[02:07] <DrManhattan> Ben64, I don't remember, I used whatever the "official" directions were
[02:07] <k1l> DrManhattan: you can even have 4.2 kernel
[02:08] <DrManhattan> k1l - wow! well, either way, I just don't want the old 3.13 coming back
[02:08] <Ben64> it wouldn't
[02:09] <k1l> DrManhattan: that are the backports-kernel from the hardware-enablement-stack. you can install it with "sudo apt install linux-generic-lts-wily"
[02:10] <DrManhattan> k1l, I did the vivid upgrade - but how do I keep the old kernels from returning?
[02:10] <k1l> when that is done you can remove the "linux-generic" which will delete the 3.13 kernel stack. but be aware that you need to switch to linux-generic-lts-xenial in august, because all kernels from 3-16 to 4-4 loose support then
[02:10] <DrManhattan> UGH
[02:10] <DrManhattan> thank you for the warning. Can I just go over to lts-xenial now?
[02:11] <k1l> you could, but its in development right now still.
[02:12]  * DrManhattan begins to quietly cry
[02:12] <k1l> so i dont know how mission critical that system is.
[02:13] <k1l> usually the kernel is tested for the non-LTS release. then 3 months later the kernel is offerend as lts backports officially. but there is already the xenial kernel. so you can grab it if you want.
[02:15] <Sachiru> Query: Are there any caveats to running containers in a VM? Current scenario is Ubuntu base system (for ZFS support), and plan is to create an Alpine Linux VM and containerize inside that. The containers will mostly be running nginx, mariadb, adminer and in-house webapps.
[02:15] <TheMar|us> high gpu fan noise ... ati radeon 5870
[02:15] <TheMar|us> :(
[02:16] <k1l> Sachiru: why not run the containers in ubuntu?
[02:16] <TheMar|us> should i go for the fgxlr driver instead?
[02:17] <Sachiru> k1l: Because I want the Alpine VM to be migratable easily in case we need to move.
[02:18] <Sachiru> Also, this is a dev machine. Once I master Alpine there, I can use Alpine as main container host in prod.
[02:18] <ramon> eai galera
[02:19] <Guest80190> sou do brasil
[02:19] <k1l> !br | Guest80190
[02:19] <Guest80190> sou do brasil
[02:20] <Guest80190> tesla hi
[02:20] <Guest80190> oi
[02:20] <Guest80190> heloo
[02:21] <k1l> Sachiru: i am not too much into vms and containers to tell you how much performance that will cost. but from the logic i would reduce one stage.
[02:29] <Sachiru> k1l: Currently I have three Alpine VMs running three webapps
[02:29] <Sachiru> The idea is to reduce from three Alpine VMs to one
[02:29] <Sachiru> With that one hosting three containers.
[02:29] <Sachiru> Or is that a worse idea?
[02:30] <ServerBoi> You guys know much about Samba/servers?
[02:32] <Sachiru> ServerBoi: depends on what you need to do.
[02:37] <k1l> Sachiru: i still think you are making too much stages in between. you could run the containers directly on the OS. and migrate that containers to some other host
[02:37] <fengbohello> 这玩意儿咋用啊？
[02:38] <Sachiru> The eventual plan is to do that.
[02:39] <Sachiru> However, I am not fully familiar with Alpine, and thus am doing this setup in a VM on a developer/testing machine.
[02:39] <k1l> !cn | fengbohello
[02:39] <stevildead> will someone help me with installing a game
[02:39] <Sachiru> Once I have perfected the process on the testing environment, the plan is to do it in a native Alpine Linux box in production.
[02:40] <Sachiru> For now, my concerns are if the processing or memory overhead will make testing Alpine Linux containers in a VM pointless due to the slowness.
[02:43] <stevildead> need help installing black and white 2
[02:43] <stevildead> or can someone suggest a better room to ask
[02:44] <Pici> stevildead: #winehq perhaps?
[02:44] <k1l> !wine | stevildead
[02:45] <k1l> i doubt they will have a native linux client so wine is the way to go. look at their database what to do to make that run
[02:45] <stevildead> thank you
[02:49] <Venus> Capaz
[02:54] <WoodyPC> what do I type in terminal to update the grub?
[02:55] <k1l> WoodyPC: sudo update-grub will write a new grub menu
[02:57] <WoodyPC> k1l: thank you. I type that several times, but I forgot to put the "-" in there.
[03:04] <trevor_s> so.. the efi.img in ubuntu minimal seems to be corrupt
[03:04] <trevor_s> awesome
[03:05] <devslash> for a laptop with 8GB ram do I really need to allocat 16GB for swap?
[03:06] <Ben64> no, you'd want at least 8GB if you want to hibernate though
[03:06] <devslash> ok thanks
[03:06] <devslash> I only have 105GB total for ubuntu
[03:06] <kostkon> devslash, more than enough
[03:16] <trevor_s> so when i try to boot linux minimal in EFI mode, i get bitlocker recovery saying a required device isn't connected or cant be accessed
[03:16] <trevor_s> guessing this is because of TPM
[03:22] <devslash> hi
[03:23] <devslash> i am installing ubuntu 15.10. I got a warning that grub would install in EFI mode and my windows install was done in bios mode so i clicked on go back. it continued the rest of the installation but now theres an error aboutinstalling the boot loader
[03:24] <devslash> how do I tell ubuntu not to install in EFI mode
[03:26] <trevor_s> devslash, one way is to use the minimal installer
[03:27] <trevor_s> i'm actually trying to do the opposite of what you're doing
[03:27] <devslash> so what should i do
[03:27] <trevor_s> if you aren't very experienced installing linux i wouldn't recommend the minimal installer
[03:27] <trevor_s> but its here
[03:27] <trevor_s> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[03:28] <devslash> im at the end of the ubuntu installation and its asking me to either install grub on sda,sda1,sda2,sda6 or not install it at all
[03:28] <trevor_s> and you can follow this guide once you see the installation windows: http://onetransistor.blogspot.com/2015/12/install-ubuntu-minimal-cd-uefi-enabled.html
[03:28] <trevor_s> ok well... in that case
[03:28] <trevor_s> are you dual booting?
[03:28] <devslash> i want to
[03:29] <devslash> i just finished installing Ubuntu and want to use grub to dual boot
[03:29] <TJ-> devslash: the motherboard/firmware controls which mode the OS starts in. To install in BIOS/legacy mode you'll need to select that in the system's manual boot selector. Usually a device that has both boot modes on it will be listed twice in the boot manager list, with some indicator that one of the entries is EFI
[03:29] <devslash> i cant just get into the bios
[03:30] <devslash> the laptop im installing it on is a macbook
[03:30] <TJ-> devslash: there will be a key such as F10 you can press to get to a manual boot menu
[03:30] <TJ-> devslash: hmmm, not sure then
[03:30] <devslash> i know that i can press option to select the boot device
[03:30] <devslash> but i dont ereally want that
[03:30] <TJ-> devslash: if its a macbook isn't that all UEFI?
[03:30] <devslash> i thought so
[03:31] <devslash> but ubuntu says that its not
[03:31] <TJ-> devslash: if you've got Windows on there too, you'd need to ask a Mac expert
[03:31] <devslash> well im not using os x
[03:31] <TJ-> devslash: presumably you're using some custom boot manager solution?
[03:31] <devslash> nope
[03:32] <devslash> until 10 minutes ago I only had windows 10 on it. I repartitioned windows 10 and installed ubuntu on the empty partition
[03:32] <TJ-> devslash: well anyhow, any *decent* EFI boot manager will allow you to select which mode to boot a device in, if it has multiple boot methods
[03:32] <devslash> i can, manually
[03:33] <TJ-> devslash: that's what you need to do then, when you start *the Ubuntu installer* - if it starts in Legacy/BIOS mode it'll install grub-pc (BIOS mode) not grub-efi
[03:33] <nedstark> http://askubuntu.com/questions/688632/dual-boot-mac-el-captain-along-with-ubuntu-14-04
[03:33] <devslash> i dont understand
[03:33] <devslash> im not using os x though
[03:34] <nedstark> its the same process, there are some unique things about mac hardware
[03:34] <devslash> sso i need to install refind ?
[03:34] <TJ-> devslash: the Ubuntu ISO installers can boot in 3 modes, ISO9660/El Torito (DVD), BIOS/MBR (Legacy), and EFI. So it is up to the system's boot selector as to which it chooses, which you should be able to control manually
[03:35] <devslash> so wha do i do ? im still at this screen
[03:35] <nedstark> i would just follow the instructions on that webpage
[03:35] <devslash> in ubuntu
[03:35] <devslash> but i cant do that right now
[03:35] <devslash> im at the last step of the ubuntu installation screen
[03:36] <nedstark> its not a simple thing, mac hardware is made for mac os x so you have to work around it
[03:36] <devslash> i have done it before but it was between os x and Ubuntu IIRC and it was a while ago
[03:36] <TJ-> devslash: on a 'regular' ISA PC it is possible to interrupt the installer at the end, and replace grub-efi with grub-pc, or vica-versa
[03:36] <zanpks> ola
[03:36] <zanpks>  alquem\
[03:36] <TJ-> devslash: but, on a Mac I'm not sure how that'll work out
[03:37] <somsip> !pr | zanpks
[03:37] <somsip> !br | zanpks
[03:37] <zanpks> sim
[03:38] <devslash> ok so i said skip installaing it
[03:38] <devslash> can i use the boot medium to boot my existing ubuntu installation now
[03:41] <devslash> anyone
[03:49]  * shrilaxmi is on Project Review
[03:54] <ibrumfield> eld
[03:55] <trevor_s> devslash sometimes trial and error is the only way
[03:57] <matheus_> hi
[03:58] <ibrumfield> whats up
[03:58] <Guest37567> me
[04:09] <poli> Hello all! Why is my LVM only mapping (and seems like activating) one of my 4 LVM logical volumes? Is there some config place where I can change that in initramfs?
[04:10] <debug> hello folks.
[04:11] <poli> (I mean now that I need 2 LVs to be able to boot, my boot is interrupted in the middle of the mount part of initramfs and I can' t find my LV devices. Not even lvm vgchange -ay seems to do the job).
[04:27] <trevor_s> so... this laptop im using now doesn't have an ethernet card
[04:27] <trevor_s> wifi only
[04:27] <trevor_s> fml
[04:28] <trevor_s> whats the best way to load wifi module in command line install?
[04:30] <trevor_s> am i basically screwed?
[04:31] <poli> trevor_s: modprobe?
[04:31] <Rhorse> Hi, I am considering installing Gentoo on a laptop already running ubuntu. I already have an Ubuntu system set up with an EFI system boot partition. If I install gentoo on another partition, can I include the /boot directory in the root fs directory, mounted at /, without adding the boot flag? Then, the grub-efi already installed on the disk will f
[04:31] <Rhorse> ind the kernel at boot up when running os-prober? Is this correct?
[04:33] <trevor_s> poli, do i need wpa_supplicant module?
[04:33] <trevor_s> i'm totally lost here
[04:34] <poli> trevor_s: trevor_s maybe this will help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/138472/how-do-i-connect-to-a-wpa-wifi-network-using-the-command-line
[04:35] <poli> Rhorse: you intend to have a single partition sharing /boot information for both system? is that the question?
[04:36] <poli> Rhorse: /boot is just some nice place from where GRUB will grab your boot files.
[04:37] <mercer> hi can anyone here tell me if there is a way to access freenode for specifically raspberry pi (raspbian) information? or another irc server all together for raspberry pi ppl?
[04:38] <somsip> !alis | mercer
[04:38] <mercer> ok
[04:38] <mercer> !alis
[04:39] <poli> mercer: /join #raspbian
[04:40] <trevor_s> poli, that would be great if i actually had any functionality to do that from the minimal installation ISO
[04:41] <trevor_s> im using the minimal install cd so i can create the encrypted volumes
[04:41] <trevor_s> but without internet access... i cant even get to that point of the install
[04:41] <trevor_s> this is terrible
[04:42] <trevor_s> a usb network adapter probably wouldn't work either
[04:42] <trevor_s> im assuming
[04:42] <poli> trevor_s: trevor_s the graphical install can't create full disk encryption?
[04:42] <trevor_s> poli, not when windows is already installed
[04:42] <trevor_s> it wants to encrypt the whole disk or nothing
[04:43] <poli> trevor_s: There is no parition encryption option on the manual partitioning?
[04:43] <trevor_s> poli, negative... if you go to 'do something else'
[04:43] <trevor_s> not an option
[04:44] <trevor_s> which is stupid
[04:44] <trevor_s> that you can do it on minimal and not the full
[04:44] <poli> trevor_s: I happen to be using the boot ISO (long story), let me check something
[04:46] <trevor_s> if i could somehow grab the necessary files from the full live cd and transfer to the minimal
[04:47] <trevor_s> i know thats probably not possible...
[04:47] <poli> trevor_s: there is a physical volume for encryption as a partition type in the 16.04 beta2 Kubuntu installer
[04:47] <trevor_s> hmm
[04:47] <trevor_s> im using LTS.. this is for a client
[04:48] <poli> trevor_s: 16.04 is LTS... Or will be in a couple of weeks ;)
[04:49] <trevor_s> i wonder if just regular ubuntu 16.04 is the same
[04:50] <poli> trevor_s: I doubt they have different graphical installers...
[04:50] <poli> trevor_s: But I can' t really tell.
[04:50] <trevor_s> true that
[04:50] <trevor_s> i will check.. thanks this might end up working out
[04:51] <trevor_s> can you encrypt the volumes after the fact if you just select 'install ubuntu alongside windows boot manager?'
[04:53] <poli> trevor_s: you always can, I have no idea of how hard/easy it will be to get all the necessary stuff in initramfs so you can mount it during boot
[04:54] <trevor_s> ok sounds like not something to do
[04:54] <trevor_s> from searches
[04:56] <trevor_s> i dont even see 16.04 anywhere
[04:57] <trevor_s> poli i only see it for linuxone and z systems
[04:58] <poli> trevor_s: releases.ubuntu.com/16.04 maybe?
[04:58] <poli> trevor_s: I can' t get it to open right now though
[04:58] <trevor_s> ya
[04:58] <trevor_s> its there
[04:58] <trevor_s> yikes
[04:58] <trevor_s> i need to sleep'
[04:58] <trevor_s> \but cant
[04:59] <poli> trevor_s: well I have to get going myself. Good luck.
[05:00] <regedit> hello
[05:00] <regedit> can software built on KDE/Gnome libraries (such as KDE Baloo or Gnome Tracker) work on Windows WSL?
[05:04] <Jeaton> might be a stupid question, but im trying to create a dvd image file of a homemade dvd, how do I do this
[05:04] <Jeaton> ive tried using dd, but the image is only turning up 32mb
[05:04] <Ben64> what exactly did you do with dd
[05:05] <Jeaton> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso
[05:05] <Jeaton> ive also replaced cdrom with sr0
[05:05] <Ben64> try with sr0 and with sudo
[05:06] <Jeaton> same, the image is only 33MB
[05:07] <Ben64> what is on this dvd
[05:08] <Jeaton> my brother used some device to convert homemade vhs videos to dvd
[05:08] <Ben64> if everything is giving you 33MB, maybe theres only 33MB of data on it?
[05:09] <Jeaton> wouldnt an image file still return the size of the dvd though?
[05:10] <Jeaton> whether it has 33mb on it or not?
[05:10] <Ben64> no
[05:15] <billy_> with ubuntu on a laptop with a single touchpad mouse... no mouse buttons... what key to hold for right click function?
[05:18] <regedit> billy_: find one that looks rectangular with lines on it
[05:19] <regedit> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menu_key����������������������������������������
[05:19] <regedit> wtf
[05:19] <regedit> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menu_key
[05:20] <regedit> damn i pressed delete many times just now while the cursor was right after the end of the URL not moving
[05:21] <billy_> aha! lol thanx regedit ;)
[05:28] <trevor_s> ok so that 16.04 cd didn't allow me to do volume encryption with windows already installed
[05:28] <trevor_s> wtf
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> trevor_s: join #ubuntu+1 please
[05:33] <sjd_zeus> hi all
[05:36] <brianx> nother newbie question, the software center seems to be missing almost everything.  for example, apache2 is missing from the software center but shows just fine in apt-cache search apache2 any clues what i'm missing?  my googlefoo is getting most of this crap but calling your installer "software" makes googleing hard.
[05:37] <misc---> hi, I'm trying to enable ssh authentication by setting PasswordAuthentication to Yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config - I restarted ssh but still it doesn't accept password authentication. What could be wrong? This is with the latest ubuntu server
[05:39] <k1l> brianx: when searching for apache2 click on the "show technical items" on the bottom to show all packages.
[05:41] <brianx> k1l: there is no "show technical items" in my software center (16.04b2)  is there a switch to enable that?
[05:41] <k1l> uh, for 16.04 please ask in #ubuntu+1
[05:42] <brianx> oh, didn't know there was another channel.  thank you again k1l !
[05:42] <k1l> for 16.04 they switched from the ubuntu software center to the gnome software center, which promises to make everything better :/
[05:43] <brianx> whatever this is, there are no menus, no options, no config or preferences, no features i can find. :-\
[05:43] <k1l> yeah, its the gnome one. then better use apt on the terminal :)
[05:44] <brianx> at least i know apt.
[05:51] <unicornjedi> hello. can someone help me with my ubuntu's slow booting?
[05:55] <fengbohello> hello, i want to make a local IRC server , but I don't know how to config the inspircd config file, who can give me a example config file ?
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> fengbohello: better join specific ircd software channels for that mate
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> !alis | fengbohello
[05:57] <fengbohello> thanks
[06:02] <fengbohello> #ircd
[06:10] <trevor_s> really wonder where poli saw that i could install encrypted volumes on kubuntu 16.04 with windows present
[06:10] <trevor_s> LIES!
[06:11] <Ben64> you should still ask your 16.04 questions in #ubuntu+1
[06:14] <quint> zzz
[06:14] <trevor_s> is it hard to move between kde and unity
[06:14] <trevor_s> ?
[06:15] <trevor_s> kubuntu installer looks like its going to let me install encrypted volumes
[06:15] <trevor_s> from full live CD
[06:15] <trevor_s> iso
[06:15] <Ben64> all the normal isos will let you encrypt
[06:15] <trevor_s> Ben64, not when windows is present
[06:16] <trevor_s> and you're dual booting
[06:16] <Ben64> yes, in that case as well
[06:16] <trevor_s> how so?
[06:16] <Ben64> you check the encryption box
[06:16] <trevor_s> i have never seen this option until kubuntu 16.04
[06:16] <Ben64> for 16.04, head on over to #ubuntu+1
[06:17] <trevor_s> im there but this discussion wasn't intended to be about that version
[06:17] <Ben64> well i can't speak for unreleased versions
[06:17] <trevor_s> funny how i have not seen this encryption check box that you speak of
[06:17] <trevor_s> is this when you go to 'do something else'?
[06:18] <trevor_s> and are you speaking of regular ubuntu or kubuntu?
[06:18] <Ben64> yes
[06:20] <trevor_s> ok just to make sure im not crazy im booting into stable realease
[06:23] <trevor_s> interesting
[06:32] <trevor_s> ok Ben64 , i see that i can indeed make encrypted volumes
[06:32] <trevor_s> Ben64, but it doesn't look like i can create LVM group inside the encrypted volume
[06:34] <trevor_s> i need to be able to create logical volumes for the swap and root filesystem
[06:34] <trevor_s> inside of the volume group which i cant seem to create
[06:37] <trevor_s> if only Jordan_U were around
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> trevor_s: if your still on xenial, plz stay in #ubuntu+1
[06:38] <trevor_s> lotuspsychje, im not
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:42] <DiamondSword> hello.. I have read that Ubuntu works better with btrfs and xfs file systems if you are using SSD. is that true?
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> !btrfs | DiamondSword
[06:43] <DiamondSword> or it is some change but I cannot feel ?
[06:43] <DiamondSword> ahh
[06:43] <dax> just use ext4, it works fine
[06:43] <DiamondSword> ok.
[06:44] <k1l> DiamondSword: standard is to use ext4 and that is optimized for ssd too.
[06:45] <DiamondSword> I let Ubuntu make its partitions while installing this 16.04 beta 2 so now I have a root / and /home and swap partitions.. I also read that they say if I have seperate /home partition then upgrading will be more safe. if it the same thing what I have now?
[06:45] <DiamondSword> k1l, ok thank you.
[06:46] <eolp> hey
[06:46] <bittin-> hi
[06:46] <eolp> hoow do you install webtorrent in ubuntu 14.04
[06:47] <Ben64> eolp: is that the name of a specific software?
[06:47] <dax> Ben64: they mean https://webtorrent.io/desktop
[06:47] <eolp> yes
[06:47] <Ben64> never heard of it
[06:47] <dax> (i have not yet installed it, but i know about it)
[06:48] <eolp> yeah
[06:48] <eolp> that
[06:48] <Ben64> well it doesn't appear the be in the repositories
[06:48] <dax> indeed not
[06:49] <eolp> no it isnt
[06:49] <eolp> anyways how do you install it/
[06:49] <mave_> lotuspsychje, that btrfs page is quite outdated, btrfs on-disk format has been finalized years ago and is completely safe to use
[06:50] <dax> except for when it has bugs, which is often
[07:04] <s3skel> Hello
[07:17] <Blobb33> Hallo, ich hab hier eine Ubuntu Installation. Ich möchte, dass der User nach dem Start automatisch eingeloggt ist. Ich habs schon probiert über Benutzer den automatischen Login zu aktivieren. Nach einem Neustart benötigt er aber trotzdem einen Login und die Einstellung ist zurückgesetzt. Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen?
[07:30] <mitzelflick> audio wont work on thinkpad
[07:30] <mitzelflick> did alsa force-reload
[07:31] <mitzelflick> resinstalled alsa base and pulseaudio
[07:31] <mitzelflick> everything unmuted, anyone know why this might not work?
[07:31] <Nass> Hello. I have Ubuntu 15.10 installed in Virtual box. Software Updater told me it wanted to update Ubuntu Base plus some other stuff. I said Ok, it rebooted, now I just get a black screenm, except I still have the mouse cursor
[07:31] <Nass> Any ideas?
[07:31] <mitzelflick> 14.04
[07:35] <Qwertie> I installed i3 alongside unity but now I have the i3 notification box instead of the unity one on unity. Is there any way to change that?
[07:39] <DevAntoine> hi
[07:40] <Bonn333> DevAntoine: Welcome
[07:40] <mitzelflick> audio wont work on thinkpad
[07:40] <mitzelflick> help :(
[07:44] <DevAntoine> I'm facing an ACL issue, I don't know what's wrong. I've executed the following commands to let apache and my current user easily rwx on app/cache and app/logs: sudo setfacl -R -m u:apache:rwX -m u:`whoami`:rwX app/cache app/logs; sudo setfacl -dR -m u:"apache:rwX -m u:`whoami`:rwX app/cache app/logs When I switch to the apache user I can do whatever I want in these directory but when apache (via the webserver) tries to write in one of these
[07:44] <DevAntoine> directory I've got a permission denied. Even if I chmod -R 777 it's not working. group and owner are set to apache. What's happening?
[07:45] <llutz> DevAntoine: apache as in webserver? it usually runs as www-data
[07:45] <DevAntoine> llutz: yeah, it depends. In my case I'm sure it's apache ;)
[07:46] <Ben64> DevAntoine: did you mess with it
[07:47] <ratrace> DevAntoine: AppArmor?
[07:47] <Ben64> and it's very strange that you've got `whoami` in there
[07:48] <DevAntoine> Ben64: mess with what?
[07:48] <Ben64> the user apache runs as
[07:48] <DevAntoine> ratrace: never heard of this one
[07:48] <OERIAS> fucking son of a bitch!
[07:48] <DevAntoine> Ben64: not my configuration
[07:48] <OERIAS> oops sorru
[07:48] <OERIAS> oops sorry, wrong channel
[07:48] <mitzelflick> speaker test works but firefox youtube wont play sound.....
[07:48] <mitzelflick> hmmm
[07:48] <DevAntoine> Ben64: why whoami is strange?
[07:49] <Ben64> DevAntoine: is it even ubuntu?
[07:49] <ratrace> DevAntoine: well then check if AppArmor is blocking it.
[07:50] <DevAntoine> ratrace: ok, thanks. But you see nothing wrong with these acl?
[07:55] <ratrace> DevAntoine: I don't know, and I don't know why you're using that in the first place. Regular unix permissions are insufficient?
[07:55] <DevAntoine> ratrace: yes, it seems so
[07:55] <Ben65> none of it really makes any sense. the different username, the `whoami` DevAntoine apparently not knowing what is going on on the system
[07:56] <DevAntoine> Ben65: it comes from the following doc: http://symfony.com/doc/2.8/book/installation.html
[07:56] <DevAntoine> http://symfony.com/doc/2.8/book/installation.html#checking-symfony-application-configuration-and-setup
[07:56] <ratrace> DevAntoine: I think you're doing it wrong. :)
[07:56] <Ben65> doesn't sound like something supported here
[07:56] <DevAntoine> Ben65: I know I could replace whoami by my user, so what?
[07:57] <Ben65> do you know what the output of "sudo whoami" is
[07:57] <DevAntoine> it stills gives rights to my user
[07:57] <ratrace> DevAntoine: why don't you start at the beginning. what is it you wish to achieve?
[07:58] <DevAntoine> ratrace: I want to have read/write permissions for the apache user and my user
[07:58] <Ben65> so if you want help with symfony, go over to #symfony
[07:58] <DevAntoine> and they're not in the same group
[07:58] <ratrace> DevAntoine: why aren't they in the same group? that's the normal way to do it
[07:59] <ratrace> usermod -a -G usergroup www-data && chmod g+w paths/you/want/www-data/to/write/but/owned/by/user
[08:00] <ratrace> although again, Apache should never have write perms. If you need PHP apps to write (and you were mentioning Symphony, so I'm guessing it's that), you run PHP as user under FPM.
[08:00] <ratrace> And then you own the PHP files by root, and allow only specific dirs writable to the user under which PHP is running.
[08:03] <DevAntoine> Ben65, you're right, whoami with sudo prints root so why when I getfacl I have my user being displayed too?
[08:04] <llutz> DevAntoine: Ben65 setfacl runs with sudo, not the following whoami. test: sudo echo `whoami`
[08:06] <Ben65> eh, ok. still haven't gotten an answer about the apache username though
[08:07] <DevAntoine> Ben65: apache
[08:07] <Ben65> but thats not how it is on ubuntu
[08:10] <Cablegunmaster> Question my ubuntu 4.2.0.34 works but 4.2.0.45 keeps hanging on the start screen
[08:11] <cfhowlett> 4.2 what?
[08:11] <Cablegunmaster> is there anyway I can debug this? or have a repair function fori t?
[08:11] <Cablegunmaster> ubuntu mate
[08:11] <Jordan_U> DevAntoine: Please pastebin the output of "lsb_release -a".
[08:12] <cfhowlett> Cablegunmaster, no, I mean what is the name of the specific package that is hanging
[08:12] <Cablegunmaster> how do I check it?
[08:12] <cfhowlett> reboot, set your grub to boot in verbose mode and observe
[08:13] <Cablegunmaster> well I got on safe debug mode , and got local-premount part
[08:13] <Cablegunmaster> and kept hanging there.
[08:14] <d4rkc0d3r> iz
[08:15] <Cablegunmaster> cfhowlett gonna check now :) find out how to make it verbose xD
[08:15] <Cablegunmaster> and rebootting now
[08:16] <cfhowlett> http://techedemic.com/2015/01/22/ubuntugrub2-verbose-booting/
[08:17] <mikecmpbll> morning, all. i'm struggling with an iptables/ufw problem at the moment. i can't get ufw working at all after i issued a `sudo iptables --flush`. my intention was to clear out old iptables generated rules before starting afresh with ufw, but my (uneducated) assumption is that it has removed some necessary ufw default rules or somehing. /xposted to linux
[08:18] <cfhowlett> mikecmpbll, sudo ufw --enable     should work
[08:18] <Cablegunmaster> brb
[08:19] <mikecmpbll> says invalid syntax. however, assuming you mean sudo ufw enable, that's what i've done
[08:19] <mikecmpbll> none of the rules i specify appear to work: sudo ufw allow 22; sudo ufw enable; and it boots me out of ssh
[08:19] <cfhowlett> sorry about that mikecmpbll but yeah ... that should reset your default ufw
[08:20] <mikecmpbll> if i look at a different server where ufw seems to be working, there's some ufw specific rules in the INPUT chain when i do sudo iptables -L -v
[08:20] <mikecmpbll> the stuff in the codeblock here: http://serverfault.com/questions/768864/ufw-iptables-confusion
[08:24] <Cablegunmaster> anyway I can recover the startup log? :)
[08:24] <Cablegunmaster> it says :" line X : Random non blocking pool initizialized on Ctrl +F7 the CLI reports the gpu driver is blocking somehow.
[08:25] <cfhowlett> Cablegunmaster, you can boot in nomodeset to get in then work out the gpu settings
[08:25] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset
[08:29] <lost_and_unfound> Greetings, can I run Unity and start another Window Manager at the same time? like having a "virtual xfce" running on a seperate window?
[08:30] <hateball> lost_and_unfound: Not without tears. There's Xephyr for nested X sessions but....
[08:30] <lost_and_unfound> instead of me running a VNC / Rdesktop, make a xinit type connection with X11 forwarding the full window manager in a separeate window... well thats the idea =]
[08:31] <lost_and_unfound> hateball: thanks, will start looking there
[08:31] <ub_ubuntu> shutdown button has disappeared what to do...
[08:31] <hateball> lost_and_unfound: or you could start a new xsession on a different tty, that runs your desired DE/WM
[08:31] <hateball> lost_and_unfound: tho that wouldnt be within Unity of course
[08:33] <lost_and_unfound> hateball: my #1 prize would be to run it within my current session... I am running a separate desktop, but remote connection (vnc) is not to my liking, missing copy/paste and just too sluggish, hence the nested X exploration =]
[08:33] <Cablegunmaster> nomodeset didnt help it kept hanging still
[08:36] <lost_and_unfound> hateball: well, from the reading on Xephyr it appears to be exactly what I need. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[08:37] <Paul98> hi, I'm trying to resize my partition so booted my live cd I've deactivated the partition then right click and select resize but can only resize it by 52meg how comes?
[08:37] <hateball> lost_and_unfound: Good luck and enjoy breaking your system ;D
[08:38] <lost_and_unfound> hateball: thanks, I need more daily challenges =]
[08:40] <DiamondSword> my computer started to warm up a lot after I installed the Ubuntu.. it wasn't like this when I was on Windows.. what might be the problem ?
[08:41] <rud0lf> does anyone else has wrong automatic time?
[08:42] <hateball> DiamondSword: Depending on your hardware, fan control perhaps
[08:42] <cfhowlett> rud0lf, "does anyone else ..." questions are annoying and waste time.  state YOUR issues and specifications
[08:42] <DiamondSword> I've installed nvidia driver and changed to it, but I don't think using nvidia driver makes this to me. hmm ?
[08:43] <rud0lf> my system time is wrong, is set to automatic and time zone is set up properly, but it shows 12:40 instead of 10:40
[08:44] <llutz> rud0lf: dualboot with windows? hardware clock set to UTC?
[08:44] <rud0lf> yes it's dualboot, i'm not sure about hardware clock.. is it in bios?
[08:44] <llutz> rud0lf: yes
[08:45] <rud0lf> brb then
[08:45] <rud0lf> thank you for support
[08:45] <llutz> rubick: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS
[08:45] <llutz> too late, wrong nick^
[08:47] <gid3on> What file format is the best for ext. hd. intended to switch between MacOS and Ubuntu?
[08:47] <Ben65> fat32 probably
[08:47] <Cablegunmaster> can't figure out why my update of ubuntu went wrong.
[08:48] <gid3on> Ben65 fat32 will not work if the size of the drive is too big
[08:48] <paul98> any ideas then why i can't shrink my lvm parittion ? only lets me do it to 52meg, when i look at gparted it's showing as using 465.47 so 52meg is free which i can  use but not able to shrink the lvm2 parittion down to 250 gb
[08:49] <Ben65> gid3on: 2TB
[08:49] <Medax> hi guyz
[08:49] <Bonn333> Medax: Hi
[08:54] <Auctus> i added this ppa (im on 15.10) and i tried "apt install libbpg", it says "cant locate package libbpg" https://launchpad.net/~djcj/+archive/ubuntu/tools
[08:54] <cfhowlett> Auctus, ppas are not supported here.  contact the packager
[08:54] <cfhowlett> !ppa
[08:55] <Auctus> cfhowlett: i dont actually need the ppa, i just want to install libbpg, but theres only apparently 1 stackoverflow page and its method doesnt work
[08:56] <Redbeardt> Is anyone here savvy on how UEFI and windows boot manager works and whatnot?
[08:56] <cfhowlett> http://bellard.org/bpg/ Auctus
[08:58] <EriC^^> Redbeardt: what's up?
[09:00] <Redbeardt> I'm trying to move the contents of my entire SSD with windows on it, onto an external USB drive which is larger, and make it bootable. I used dd to copy the first half or so of files, and then I got impatient and cancelled it. It had copied the partition table so that was good, but the recovery and os partitions didn't have the data. So I did a dd on the recovery partition (since it wa ssmall) and copied the OS contents with a cp
[09:00] <Redbeardt> so the contents of the two drives should be identical barring different free space
[09:00] <Redbeardt> but the USB isnt bootable :o
[09:00] <Ben65> Redbeardt: ask in ##windows about booting windows
[09:01] <trevor_s> it would be nice to know where to install the linux bootloader in a dual boot uefi scenerio
[09:01] <luckybunny> I'm having a bit of a mouse annoyance in 15.10
[09:01] <EriC^^> Redbeardt: i think you should dd the whole thing again
[09:02] <trevor_s> if anyone knows that let me know and i'll see it in the morning... haven't slept much
[09:02] <trevor_s> in a while
[09:02] <Redbeardt> but it takes like 20 hours haha
[09:02] <trevor_s> lol
[09:02] <EriC^^> Redbeardt: even if it just copied the partition table there are backup structures at the end of the disk too
[09:02] <luckybunny> after a few seconds of the cursor being stationary, it disappears and scroll wheel input also ceases
[09:02] <stns> hey, I'm trying to add the hostname to the filename of syslog-ng.. This is what I have- file("/var/log/`hostname`-$YEAR"); the output file ends up becoming "-2016" and not "name-2016".. any solution? (echo `hostname` works fine)
[09:02] <Redbeardt> ah crap
[09:02] <Redbeardt> I thought that would be the partition with the label 'RECOVERY'
[09:02] <Redbeardt> which i copied
[09:02] <EriC^^> no, there are backup tables and other structures
[09:02] <EriC^^> for gpt
[09:03] <Redbeardt> damn
[09:03] <luckybunny> I thought my other mouse was dying, but now I have a new mouse that has a feature where you can spin the wheel without friction... I stop moving the mouse and spin the wheel, scrolling stops at the same time the cursor disappears
[09:03] <Cablegunmaster> cfhowlett I can't seem to resolve the problem.
[09:03] <Redbeardt> i couldnt see anything like that in gparted on there
[09:03] <luckybunny> wheel carries on spinning
[09:03] <hateball> stns: try using $() instead of backticks
[09:03] <Redbeardt> doenst that mean it's sitting in unallocated space? D:
[09:04] <cfhowlett> Cablegunmaster, sorry amigo, it's over my head
[09:04] <EriC^^> if you're really in a hurry, you could create a fresh partition table manually and just copy the data itself, not sure if you'd have to modify stuff for windows to boot like bootsectors and other stuff, ##windows would know, dd would be easier though and more straightforward
[09:05] <Guest19624> hello
[09:05] <Redbeardt> Oh bugger. i unmounted the copy and opened gparted and it seems to think there's an issue
[09:05] <Redbeardt> with the msftdata partition
[09:05] <Redbeardt> maybe if I just dd that partition...
[09:05] <stns> hateball: $(hostname)-$YEAR ? nope, not working
[09:06] <Redbeardt> hmm
[09:06] <Guest19624> i created my usb flash bootable i need to format it now but i cant i get this error http://picpaste.com/flash-GqynqlDE.png
[09:06] <Redbeardt> anyway ill go ask in #windows lol
[09:06] <Guest19624> what should i do ?
[09:06] <Redbeardt> this is not terribly ubuntu related.. I just happen to be doing this on ubuntu
[09:06] <hateball> stns: that'd be it yeah. hmm. do you have a shellscript that runs something or where are you using this string?
[09:07] <hateball> stns: I mean, a shell needs to be involved somehow to expand the variable to a value
[09:07] <Ben65> Guest19624: what exactly did you do, and what exactly are you trying to do
[09:07] <rud0lf> please confirm: time in bios should be set on utc time which ubuntu bases on, it's windows system doing it wrong making it local time?
[09:07] <stns> hateball: It's not a shell script, it's a config file..
[09:09] <Guest19624> Ben65, i created my usb flash bootable to install ubuntu 14 now i installed ubuntu 14 from my bootable flash and i need to format my usb flash
[09:09] <hateball> stns: try using $HOST-$YEAR
[09:09] <Ben65> Guest19624: ok so use gparted or whatever your favorite software for partitioning is
[09:11] <stns> hateball: $HOST is 127.0.0.1. I'd like to have the name
[09:11] <Guest19624> Ben65, i get this error when i open gparted http://picpaste.com/error-FmHnZHPn.png
[09:11] <hateball> stns: then there are other variables you can use, see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/syslog-ng#Macros_and_Variables
[09:12] <Ben65> Guest19624: ok, is sdb the flash drive?
[09:12] <hateball> stns: actually https://www.balabit.com/sites/default/files/documents/syslog-ng-ose-3.4-guides/en/syslog-ng-ose-v3.4-guide-admin/html/reference-macros.html but the wiki links to it
[09:12] <Guest19624> Ben65, yes
[09:12] <hateball> stns: so FULLHOST_FROM should be what you want
[09:12] <Ben65> Guest19624: ok then it doesn't matter, since you're going to format it
[09:13] <Guest19624> Ben65, should i choose yes?
[09:13] <Ben65> Guest19624: doesn't matter
[09:14] <stns> stns - nope, even FULLHOST_FROM is 127.0.0.1
[09:15] <Guest19624> Ben65, i dont see sdb in gparted i see this http://picpaste.com/gparted-ajwO6XKJ.png
[09:15] <Ben65> Guest19624: choose it from the drop down menu on the right
[09:18] <Guest19624> Ben65, i see this http://picpaste.com/gparted2-HpF9ijbW.png
[09:19] <hateball> stns: did you read the note on that page for the macro? if dns fails, it will return ip
[09:19] <Guest19624> Ben65, i have to create a partition table on it
[09:20] <Guest19624> Ben65, which should i choose in select a new partition table type?
[09:21] <Guest19624> Ben65, i see msdos ,mac ,gpt ,sun
[09:21] <Guest19624> bsd ,loop
[09:21] <Guest19624> pc98
[09:23] <crt> i like sucking and being sucked
[09:23] <cfhowlett> !ops | crt
[09:23] <crt> i like to kiss
[09:25] <stns> hateball, hmm.. But I haven't disabled dns lookup! and 127.0.0.1 is present in /etc/hosts
[09:26] <hateball> stns: Strange. And same result with FULLHOST ?
[09:27] <stns> hateball, FULLHOST doesn't return anything!
[09:27] <Guest19624> which partition table should i choose for my usb flash ?
[09:27] <Guest19624> every body please help
[09:27] <llutz> Guest19624: msdos
[09:27] <cfhowlett> Guest19624, none.  format it as ntfs / fat32
[09:29] <Guest19624> cfhowlett, i dont see ntfs or fat32
[09:30] <cfhowlett> msdos then
[09:30] <Guest19624> llutz, cfhowlett i get this error when i want to create new partition http://picpaste.com/gparted3-uy1KxqQt.png
[09:30] <Ben65> very strange... cant boot after copying ssd to ssd
[09:34] <Guest19624> please help guys i use this setting for my usb flash to create a fat32 partition but i get error http://picpaste.com/gparted4-QvaPTPDe.png
[09:35] <Ben65> Guest19624: ok whats the problem
[09:36] <Guest19624> Ben65, i get this errorhttp://picpaste.com/gparted3-uy1KxqQt.png
[09:37] <Ben65> Guest19624: expand that bottom bit and what does it say
[09:37] <Guest19624> i changed type to ntfs
[09:37] <Guest19624> i dont get error now
[09:38] <Ben65> ok
[09:38] <Guest19624> what is difference between fat32 and ntfs
[09:38] <Guest19624> do i get problem with ntfs?
[09:39] <Ben65> its less compatible with linux and osx
[09:39] <Guest19624> Ben65, i see my flash is read only now
[09:39] <Guest19624> Ben65, how can i make it writable?
[09:40] <robb_nl> Guest19624, have a read: http://www.diffen.com/difference/FAT32_vs_NTFS
[09:40] <Guest19624> Ben65, it is just readonly
[09:40] <Guest19624> i cant copy my content to it
[09:42] <Ben65> Guest19624: pastebin the output of mount
[09:45] <Guest19624> Ben65, http://pastebin.com/BLckJTFP
[09:45] <Guest19624> Ben65, my usb flash is on /dev/sdb1
[09:45] <Guest19624>  /dev/sdb1 on /media/mohammad/usb flash type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)
[09:45] <Ben64> then it isn't read only
[09:47] <Guest19624> Ben65, i cant copy content i get this error http://picpaste.com/error2-nAFyS2Xq.png
[09:48] <cfhowlett> Guest19624, unplug it and shut down gparted.  then try again
[09:49] <Guest19624> cfhowlett, i did i get same error
[09:49] <Ben64> you did it in the 62 seconds since cfhowlett said that?
[09:50] <Guest19624> Ben64, i get error
[09:51] <Ben64> do it all over again. unplug, wait a few seconds, plug back in. start gparted. go to your flash drive. device -> create partition table, msdos, create new partition, format fat32, done
[09:52] <Guest19624> i can do it when i use sudo cp in terminal
[09:52] <cfhowlett> do "it"?  what?
[09:52] <Guest19624> i can copy content when i have root privilage
[09:53] <hooman> hello
[09:54] <Guest19624> maybe it is because i cant run gparted without root privilage
[09:54] <Ben65> Guest19624: no
[09:54] <Guest19624> i run gparted in terminal with sudo gparted
[09:55] <Guest19624> i see a lock sign next of usb flash in gparted
[09:55] <Ben65> that's because it's currently mounted, unmount it
[09:57] <jheimon2> hi, any idea how to fix this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/mS9X9.jpg
[09:57] <jheimon2> loving ubuntu & unity otherwise, but I think I'm getting an anerysm soon with this
[09:58] <jheimon2> this used to happen with eclipse as well which is why i migrated to intellij, so guessing this is an unity related issue
[09:58] <Ben64> what do you expect to happen
[09:59] <jheimon2> seeing something in my dialog windows instead of them being transparent
[09:59] <Ben64> maybe it's your code?
[09:59] <jheimon2> this does not happen always but often enough that it pretty much renders ubuntu unusable
[09:59] <jheimon2> no the "create test" dialog is an intellij one
[09:59] <jheimon2> same happens w. eg. when confirming close
[10:00] <jheimon2> quite frequently, like 40% of the time
[10:00] <Ben64> easy solution then would be to not use unity
[10:00] <jheimon2> i really like it tho
[10:01] <jheimon2> not only for eye candies, but i feel im much more productive than with cinnamon that i switched from
[10:01] <jheimon2> might as well migrate to osx
[10:01] <ratrace> jheimon2: I'm using PyCharm under Ubuntu. Same developer (JetBrains) and so I'm guessing same java libs across their range of products. No such problems here.
[10:01] <Ben64> maybe someone else here has additional insight, but you're on during not a busy time
[10:02] <jheimon2> ok, what are the active times?
[10:02] <Ben64> when people are awake in the US, usually
[10:02] <jheimon2> k
[10:03] <Ben64> might be worth it to try reproducing on another system
[10:03] <jheimon2> ratrace, same thing happened with eclipse as well.. tho its java based as well
[10:03] <ratrace> jheimon2: so I guess the issue is JAva then.
[10:03] <Ben64> or a different version of java
[10:04] <aredpanda`w> Hey guys, I'm running Ubuntu-Gnome, what should I look into for getting a command to run after I locked my session/screen?
[10:05] <ratrace> jheimon2: I have openjdk-7-jre-headless-7u95 installed, currently running 16.04, and haven't had issues with 15.10 either.
[10:05] <stns> hateball, I ended up writing a start up script to insert "@define MY_VAR hostname" at the beginning of the .conf file.. Thanks!
[10:05] <jheimon2> i have oracle jdk8
[10:06] <ratrace> jheimon2: I've had issues with PyCharm on java 8 on a different platform.
[10:06] <jheimon2> kk, openjdk or oracle?
[10:06] <MonkeyDust> aredpanda`w  is this useful http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1667622
[10:06] <ratrace> jheimon2: I believe it was openjdk
[10:07] <ratrace> jheimon2: I'm pretty sure it's all the same engine internally with Intellij. Even that interface on your screenshot is almost identical to my PyCharm. In fact, it's identicaly with the exception that PyCharm is for Python.
[10:08] <jheimon2> y
[10:08] <jheimon2> any ideas for quicker workarounds than upgrading to 16.x or switching java versions?
[10:08] <jheimon2> dont really have time for this bs anyways
[10:09] <ratrace> Sorry, no ideas. If it were me I'd just downgrade java but then, I'm not a java dev so I don't rely on particular version.
[10:09] <jheimon2> i already tried switching of animations + window fading in compwiz settings
[10:09] <jheimon2> def not downgrading java, got to love them lambdas etc
[10:09] <ratrace> :)
[10:10] <jheimon2> java9 should be right around the corner tho
[10:10] <ratrace> jheimon2: see notes for Linux: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/2016.1/requirements-for-intellij-idea.html?origin=old_help
[10:11] <hateball> stns: good that you solved it :)
[10:14] <jheimon2> ratrace: no help
[10:15] <jheimon2> not sure if it actually switched the JDK as I'm getting yet another blank dialog now
[10:23] <aziz_> join
[10:25] <t595> why .exe no work?
[10:25] <jheimon2> btw how much of a chore would it be to migrate to ubuntu 16.x?
[10:25] <cfhowlett> t595, .exe is for windows not linux
[10:25] <MonkeyDust> t595  .exe is for windows, you need WINE for it
[10:26] <MonkeyDust> 'WHINE'
[10:26] <t595> MonkeyDust: thank you
[10:27] <hateball> !wine | t595
[10:33] <dreamon> hello. think i need a newer glade version. using 3.18 (ubuntu14.04) → but need gtk3 support. how can i proceed version 3.20 ?
[10:34] <MonkeyDust> !info glade
[10:34] <Caterpillar> is it possible to count the amount of packages of http://packages.ubuntu.com/ ?
[10:34] <mahesh> hello any one can tell me about qemu in short ?
[10:34] <MonkeyDust> dreamon  xenial still has 3.18 ... i guess you need a ppa or .deb for 3.20, but that's not supported here
[10:35] <dreamon> running autogen.sh → Checking for required M4 macros...→  yelp.m4 not found ***Error***: some autoconf macros required to build glade→ were not found in your aclocal path, or some forbidden→  macros were found.  Perhaps you need to adjust your→  ACLOCAL_FLAGS?
[10:35] <MonkeyDust> !qemu | mahesh
[10:35] <luckybunny> anyone know how to change mouse behaviour? My cursor disappears after it's been still for a few seconds, and while it's disappeared, the wheel input is ignored
[10:35] <luckybunny> buttons still wake it up, as does movement
[10:36] <dreamon> MonkeyDust, :(
[10:36] <luckybunny> but it makes scrolling through web pages a reall bugger
[10:37] <mahesh> ubottu : am using ubuntu 14.04 ,can i use debian jessie 8.0 ?
[10:37] <dcz> hello guys
[10:37] <mahesh> ubottu: hehe thanks anyways,,even i dont even know what is that
[10:38] <jheimon2> as an update, booting seems to help for a while
[10:38] <dcz> i install nvidia prime and when i do ALT+TAB i see some glitches on screen otherwise everything is cool. What can i do ? i have haswell ; nvidia gtx 860m and intel video card. Ubuntu 14.04
[10:39] <mahesh> monkeydust : yes qemu only..!
[10:39] <MonkeyDust> |virtual | mahesh
[10:39] <MonkeyDust> !virtual | mahesh
[10:40] <mahesh> monkeydust : is it a very usefull tool or ?
[10:41] <akik> mahesh: there's also the possibility to create a debian lxc container
[10:42] <dcz> i installed nvidia-prime and when i do ALT+TAB i see some glitches on screen otherwise everything is cool. What can i do ? i have haswell ; nvidia gtx 860m and intel video card.
[10:43] <mahesh> akik can you please tell me about that
[10:43] <mahesh> i don't know it am sorry
[10:44] <akik> mahesh: you can read more about it here: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/lxc.html it's a light weight operating system running in a container on your system
[10:45] <mahesh> akik does it makes my machine slow?? because mine is only 4 gb ram
[10:45] <Bashing-om> dcz: What proprietary driver did you install and from where ?
[10:45] <akik> mahesh: no, it's very light weight. it's like running a handful more processes
[10:46] <mahesh> akik thank you
[10:46] <akik> mahesh: there are some limitations but for command line utils and daemons it works fine. virtualbox could be more suitable to get a full desktop
[10:47] <dcz> Bashing-om : sudo apt-get install nvidia-352 nvidia-prime
[10:47] <dcz> i just did this
[10:49] <Bashing-om> dcz: Nvidia recommends the 361 version .. available from a PPA for 14.04 .. want to try it ?
[10:50] <dcz> yes how can i do that ?
[10:50] <Bashing-om> !ppa | dcz
[10:50] <dcz> first i should uninstall old driver ?
[10:52] <Bashing-om> dcz: Yeah .. purge the 352 and add the PPA source amd dowload/install the 361 version from the PPA .
[10:52] <dcz> okey thank you so much
[10:53] <dcz> is this that ppa ? https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[10:53] <Bashing-om> dcz: A thought worth a shot to see if it resolves the glitches . If you need help, we are here .
[10:53] <lost_and_unfound> hateball: Thanks for the xephyr suggestion. Was exactly what I needed with minimum drama! =]
[10:53] <Bashing-om> dcz: Affirmed on the PPA .
[10:53] <hateball> lost_and_unfound: Oh, good that it worked out for you :)
[11:08] <dcz> Bashing-om:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/15685234/
[11:12] <proc_> Hi, anyone familiar with autopilot to install openstack with?
[11:13] <proc_> I'm trying out the openstack cloud autopilot ova template but the openstack installation stalls at 75-77% every time. Just when it performing "Add juju machine for node2" (got 3 nodes). Any idea/hints/tips for this issue?
[11:13] <Bashing-om> dcz: Better ' sudo apt-get remove nvidia-* ; sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo apt-get install nvidia-361 nvidia-prime ; sudo reboot ' . Maybe also remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. and rebuild it .
[11:13] <dcz> what is full-upgrade ?
[11:13] <dcz> whats that for ?
[11:14] <Bashing-om> dcz: Make sure you have the latest kernel installed .
[11:14] <dcz> ahh okey
[11:15] <dcz> i will try now thank you so much
[11:16] <tomasz_> haj
[11:28] <paresh> hey there
[11:28] <doughnugget> yo
[11:29] <paresh> I am running ubuntu 14.04 on a ARM board (Cortex A9 MPCore) RIoT board
[11:29] <paresh> to be precise
[11:29] <paresh> and I cannot get usb automount to work
[11:29] <paresh> I tried autofs
[11:29] <MonkeyDust> paresh  there'sz also #ubuntu-arm
[11:30] <paresh> thank you MonkeyDust
[11:34] <bolagato> eaew
[11:38] <jimbotux> hi guys wondering if anyone could assist with my app armor issue
[11:38] <jimbotux> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/1466812
[11:38] <jimbotux> Im still finding this is broken in 14.04..?
[11:39] <jimbotux> server version*
[11:39] <jimbotux> Will this be backported to 14.04 at any point? Or is it just going to remain broken in 14.04..
[11:39] <jimbotux> as currently aa-logprof seems broken
[11:40] <jimbotux> cheers
[11:50] <dgo> hi there. I was wondering if the addition of ZFS in 16.04 will help for a nice -time machine- clone for ubuntu ?
[11:52] <hateball> dgo: btrfs already exists and is able to use snapshots, if that is what you are looking for
[11:53] <dgo> hateball: I think about a user friendly GUI too.. :|
[11:55] <aredpanda`w> MonkeyDust, I'm trying to get johnny castaway on my workstation, thanks for the link it pointed me in the right direction: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/28183
[11:55] <fosser_josh> which version of gnome will be supported on ubuntu 16.04?
[11:55] <hateball> dgo: The underlying filesystem doesnt really impact that :)
[11:55] <aredpanda`w> fosser_josh, that's a good question for #ubuntu+1 :)
[11:55] <fosser_josh> ok
[11:57] <dgo> hateball: of course, but snapshots must be handled by a specific app. I mean dejadup cant 'just' work using btrfs features
[12:12] <shockvalu> What is the main used app to debug g?
[12:14] <Eddie303> Hello everybody, please, I need some help starting up OpenVPN in the "official" way on 16.04 with multiple configuration files. I do have two configurations listed in /etc/default/openvpn, but it only takes one, and I don't get it...
[12:15] <Bashing-om> !16.04 | Eddie303
[12:17] <Eddie303> thanks.
[12:26] <DomeMaster> hi guys
[12:26] <DomeMaster> I'm just learning about capabilities
[12:27] <DomeMaster> and I assumed that ping was a classic example that should have RAW socket capabilities and setuid to root
[12:27] <DomeMaster> but when I run getcap on ping
[12:27] <DomeMaster> it has no caps
[12:27] <DomeMaster> why is this?
[12:27] <DomeMaster> isn't it a security risk?
[12:27] <EriC^^> isn't ping suid?
[12:27] <DomeMaster> it is EriC^^
[12:27] <EriC^^> so it has root priv
[12:27] <DomeMaster> but it has no caps so isn't it a security risk as it has all root privileges
[12:28] <DomeMaster> it should ONLY have privilege to raw sockets
[12:28] <EriC^^> if it's root it can do anything no?
[12:28] <EriC^^> the idea is that there isn't a vulnerability in it (known one anyways)
[12:28] <DomeMaster> it can but that is the idea behind capabilities
[12:28] <DomeMaster> you can reduce the power of root
[12:28] <DomeMaster> so it's less risky
[12:29] <EriC^^> i thought caps were just perks, like you give a program caps to bind to sockets less than 1024, dont know much about caps honestly
[12:29] <DomeMaster> EriC^^:  I just learnt about them
[12:29] <DomeMaster> they are the reverse of what you said
[12:29] <EriC^^> you're saying even if a program is suid, you can "cap" it?
[12:29] <DomeMaster> well kind of, let me explain
[12:30] <DomeMaster> root has all caps available to it
[12:30] <DomeMaster> what you can do is explicitly set caps. So for example ping only needs RAW sockets
[12:30] <DomeMaster> therefore you remove all other capabilities
[12:30] <DomeMaster> so it's still root, but it has restricted power
[12:30] <EriC^^> yeah so ping wouldn't need to be suid then right? cause caps gives it perks for that
[12:30] <DomeMaster> until kernel 2.6.x it would just do if( user == 0 ) then do anything
[12:30] <EriC^^> or am i off here?
[12:30] <DomeMaster> but now it does if( cap[ RAW_SOCKET ] ) allow raw socket code
[12:31] <DomeMaster> yup caps only work for root
[12:31] <DomeMaster> because if you're not root you can't access anyway
[12:31] <EriC^^> that doesnt make sense though
[12:31] <EriC^^> cause if a program isn't root, you can give it caps to bind to lower ports that root can only
[12:32] <EriC^^> same for the cap for wireshark to capture packets without root priv
[12:32] <DomeMaster> From what I've read that is incorrect
[12:32] <EriC^^> i think you're mistaken
[12:32] <DomeMaster> check this out: http://www.andy-pearce.com/blog/posts/2013/Mar/file-capabilities-in-linux/
[12:32] <EriC^^> unless we're talking about different things
[12:32] <DomeMaster> It makes a lot of sense to me
[12:33] <EriC^^> it's exactly what im saying
[12:33] <EriC^^> (didn't read the link honestly but read here http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/capabilities.7.html )
[12:33] <EriC^^> caps are like perks you can give
[12:33] <EriC^^> not inhibitions
[12:34] <TGYoshi> Hey guys, anyone knows a simple tool for linux/ubuntu which can extract a single page from a multipage tiff image?
[12:34] <DomeMaster> one sec EriC^^
[12:34] <TGYoshi> Without extracting [all] pages to separate files
[12:34] <DomeMaster> wireshark does it by using a program called dumpcap
[12:34] <DomeMaster> if you do ls -l on dumpcap you get
[12:35] <EriC^^> i get no suid on it
[12:35] <EriC^^> -rwxr-xr-- 1 root wireshark 77080 Mar 11  2014 /usr/bin/dumpcap
[12:35] <DomeMaster> sorry was just reading
[12:35] <DomeMaster> but yeah do getcap /usr/bin/dumpcap
[12:36] <DomeMaster> you can see it has caps then
[12:36] <EriC^^> in any case it's the same concept as allowing any program to listen to a port lower than 1024, you give it that cap to bind to lower ports (which root has by default)
[12:36] <DomeMaster> This is the quote from link I sent above, which makes me think I'm correct (I'm not married to it but the article makes sense)
[12:36] <DomeMaster> "To save you reading the article above in detail, in essence this allows processes which start as root, and hence have permission to do anything, to retain certain limited abilities chosen from this set when they drop privileges and run as a standard user. "
[12:38] <EriC^^> DomeMaster: exactly
[12:38] <EriC^^> he's saying without suid you can have "some" root perks
[12:38] <EriC^^> which you set with cap (not inihibit)
[12:38] <EriC^^> "..tures allow you to associate capabilities with executables, in a similar way to setting the SUID bit but only for the specific capabilities set"
[12:38] <DomeMaster> but you have to start as root first or inherit them from a process that started as root at somepoint
[12:38] <EriC^^> DomeMaster: nope you dont
[12:39] <EriC^^> that's his take on making it less vulnerable
[12:39] <EriC^^> he's saying inside your program once you do the dirty work, you drop the suid and it has normal user id, but you use caps to give it the specific perks you need
[12:39] <DomeMaster> ok there is a simple way to test this
[12:39] <DomeMaster> I'll remove setuid from ping
[12:40] <DomeMaster> give it the caps
[12:40] <EriC^^> you're misreading..
[12:40] <DomeMaster> and see if it works
[12:40] <EriC^^> well you dont know how ping works
[12:41] <EriC^^> *shrug* it's what is in all the articles
[12:41] <DomeMaster> you are right
[12:41] <DomeMaster> it worked
[12:41] <SaraKnoodle> hello people
[12:41] <DomeMaster> so you can just set cap without going to root
[12:42] <EriC^^> DomeMaster: yes cap are perks you can give, not inhibitions, and you dont need to be root to have them
[12:42] <DomeMaster> here you go EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15686700/
[12:43] <DomeMaster> that makes much more sense to me EriC^^, but the article I said otherwise
[12:44] <DomeMaster> the kernel just looks at the inode then loads the caps from there
[12:44] <DomeMaster> as it is the kernel it can do that
[12:44] <DomeMaster> ok cool
[12:44] <DomeMaster> got it
[12:44] <DomeMaster> anyway back to my original question, why doesn't ubuntu do this by default. It shouldn't use setuid it should use caps for ping
[12:44] <ubuntu-mate> hola
[12:44] <ubuntu-mate> esta alguien alli\
[12:45] <cfhowlett> !es | ubuntu-mate
[12:45] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[12:45] <SaraKnoodle> when i make update-grub i see i have different images relatives to the different kernel version... what can i do if i want to select another version? when i boot i can not choose another one from the grub menu
[12:46] <Shanz> hi
[12:46] <trijntje> SaraKnoodle: those are hidden behind the 'advanced options for ubuntu'
[12:47] <Shanz> I have two wireless card. How can I know which one (as given by lsusb) is associated to an interface (given by ifconfig or iwconfig) ?
[12:47] <SaraKnoodle> are you sure?
[12:47] <SaraKnoodle> and then how can i make my next choice a default choice?
[12:48] <trijntje> SaraKnoodle: I'm sure those options are there. What do you want to be the default choise?
[12:49] <f00b4r_> Hi!
[12:49] <f00b4r_> I'm having a problem with postgres
[12:49] <SaraKnoodle> one of these "advanced" choices
[12:49] <f00b4r_> I did an installation with 'sudo apt-get install postgresql"
[12:49] <SaraKnoodle> otherwise evey boot i need to go on that advanced menu
[12:49] <f00b4r_> I can start a shell by typing 'psql'
[12:49] <trijntje> SaraKnoodle: which one? those are mostly just old kernels as far as I know
[12:50] <SaraKnoodle> yeah. i mean the old kernel
[12:50] <f00b4r_> but I can't start a postgres server
[12:50] <f00b4r_> If I type 'postgres -D <path>' I get an error because the command is not recognized
[12:50] <midhun> hi
[12:50] <Mouaad> hello, i have a problem on beta xenial, i wanna run the following script from mozilla: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/raw-file/default/python/mozboot/bin/bootstrap.py, meanwhile apt make it fail with the following error: Package openjdk-7-jdk is a virtual package provided by: oracle-java7-installer 7u80+7u60arm-0~webupd8~1, any ideas to bypass this ?
[12:50] <ratrace> f00b4r_: why don't use use the proper service postgresql?
[12:50] <ratrace> f00b4r_: which Ubuntu version?
[12:51] <Mouaad> "Package 'openjdk-7-jdk' has no installation candidate"
[12:51] <Bashing-om> SaraKnoodle: One edits the file /etc/default/grub " GRUB_DEFAULT=0 " to the menu entry desired .
[12:51] <SaraKnoodle> shall i change the grub.cfg?
[12:51] <SaraKnoodle> cool thank you
[12:51] <f00b4r_> ratrace: postgresql also leads to a command not found error
[12:51] <midhun> need to knw how to set up a ubuntu as file share server
[12:51] <trijntje> SaraKnoodle: don't forget to run 'sudo update-grub' afterwards to make the changes take effect
[12:51] <ratrace> f00b4r_: and by the way, the postgres server is launched automagically when you installed it.
[12:51] <SaraKnoodle> yea
[12:51] <SaraKnoodle> <3
[12:51] <EriC^^> !ubuntu+1 | Mouaad
[12:52] <ratrace> f00b4r_: which ubuntu version
[12:52] <Bashing-om> trijntje: :) .
[12:52] <f00b4r_> ratrace: 15.10
[12:52] <ratrace> f00b4r_: okay, so that's systemd. You control the postgresql service with `systemctl` command. Eg. systemctl start postgresql
[12:52] <Mouaad> okey thanks
[12:53] <f00b4r_> ratrace: Thanks! So, I would type "systemctl start postgresql -D <path>'?
[12:53] <ratrace> f00b4r_: no, just `systemctl start postgresql`
[12:54] <f00b4r_> ratrace: but how do I specify the path for the database then?
[12:55] <ratrace> f00b4r_: you don't, it's configured in /etc/postgresql/<version/main/postgresql.conf
[12:55] <ratrace> *<version>
[12:55] <f00b4r_> thanks!
[12:55] <f00b4r_> I now started it, was asked for a password, but how do I check that the server is actually running?
[12:56] <f00b4r_> there is no echo/feedback on the command prompt
[12:56] <thmcmahon> hey all i'm using ubuntu on a pc connected to my tv and i'd like to increase the icon size and the cursor and window controls so that stuff is easier to click on. how do i do that?
[12:56] <ratrace> f00b4r_: and if you had multiple versions, eg. 9.4 and 9.5 installed, you control them with eg. `systemctl restart postgresql@9.5-main.service` . That last bit is specific to packaging for Debian/Ubuntu methinks.
[12:56] <ratrace> f00b4r_: systemctl status postgresl
[12:56] <ratrace> *postgresql
[12:57] <Shanz> I have two wireless card. How can I know which one (as given by lsusb) is associated to an interface (given by ifconfig or iwconfig) ?
[12:58] <ratrace> f00b4r_: btw, password? oh did you run those commands as unprivileged user? Sorry, I forgot to tell you to prefix those with sudo.
[12:58] <wyre> hi guys! I've got issues with Nvidia proprietary drivers...
[12:58] <Bashing-om> Shanz: Try ' sudo lshw -C network ' .
[12:58] <wyre> after install it I cannot login into Unity
[12:58] <wyre> lightdm loads but Unity it doesn't
[12:59] <f00b4r_> ratrace: Thanks again!
[12:59] <NevaEnuffLinux> hello everyonehows it goping tonight
[12:59] <f00b4r_> ratrace: oh, now I'm being asked for the postgresql password even though there is none... that's all a headache
[13:00] <Shanz> Bashing-om: great, thanks.
[13:00] <Shanz> It won't be easy to parse. :/
[13:01] <Bashing-om> wyre: How do you know the driver installed ? what does the log file " /var/log/Xorg.0.log " say ?
[13:01] <NevaEnuffLinux> here also just can't wait to see the new additions to upgrades in linux distro's
[13:01] <ratrace> f00b4r_: check the pg_hba.conf for access modes
[13:02] <ratrace> f00b4r_: /etc/postgresql/<version>/main/pg_hba.conf
[13:02] <MonkeyDust> NevaEnuffLinux  this is the support channel
[13:02] <NevaEnuffLinux> oh sorry
[13:03] <f00b4r_> ratrace: I just had to switch to a different user, was no problem. However, I still can't solve my original problem, since the application I'm using is still complaining that it can't find the database. It thought this was because the server isn't running.
[13:03] <wyre> Bashing-om, well, I have no here the PC I was asking only for known issues xD
[13:03] <ratrace> f00b4r_: is the database there?
[13:04] <ratrace> f00b4r_: also, how is the application trying to connect? through a tcp or unix socket? because that depends on how you configured pg_hba.conf
[13:04] <f00b4r_> ratrace: the error is "couldn't connect to /tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432: No such file or directory
[13:05] <ratrace> f00b4r_: is the file there?
[13:05] <f00b4r_> ratrace: it is using a Perl script (PgPP)
[13:06] <f00b4r_> ratrace: no, the file is not there, but the script is supposed to use the path to the postgresql database
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:06] <ratrace> f00b4r_: then check if the service is running with systemctl status postgresql
[13:07] <f00b4r_> ratrace: says that the PostgreSQL RDBMS was started
[13:07] <ratrace> f00b4r_: that's not the path to the db by the way, but that's the unix socket for local connections, controled via 'local' connection type in pg_hba.conf which I'm suspecting you'll have to adjust as well.
[13:09] <ratrace> f00b4r_: by the way, the socket is in /var/run/postgresql  and not in /tmp
[13:09] <ratrace> f00b4r_: can you adjust your application configuration or something for the proper path?
[13:10] <crised> How can I install Widevine Chrome component, to watch things like Netflix?
[13:10] <crised> video
[13:10] <f00b4r_> ratrace: that would probably work, but it's some old messy legacy application
[13:10] <ratrace> f00b4r_: then you can either adjust postgresql.conf for new socket path, or symlink it to /tmp
[13:11] <f00b4r_> ratrace: Thanks, I'll try figuring out how to do this.
[13:21] <f00b4r_> ratrace: I found out via "sudo lsof -U -a -c postgres" that the socket directory is "/var/run/prostgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432", while the database is apparently expected in "/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432". How do I fix this?
[13:21] <ratrace> f00b4r_: well I told you :) Either fix your application for the proper socket path, or reconfigure postgresql to use different path, via postgresql.conf
[13:21] <ratrace> f00b4r_: or symlink the /var/run/postgresql/... path into /tmp
[13:24] <f00b4r_> ratrace: symlink is probably the fastest way. Is it "ln -s /var/run/postgresql/.s/ /tmp/.s./" ?
[13:24] <f00b4r_> (missing a dot in the first path)
[13:26] <ratrace> f00b4r_: yes except it's not .s/  it's /var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432
[13:26] <ratrace> f00b4r_: and you must sudo that
[13:26] <Pici> /25/21
[13:27] <f00b4r_> ratrace: "sudo ln -s /var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432/ /tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432/" ?
[13:27] <ratrace> f00b4r_: it's not a directory so drop the trailing slashes
[13:28] <hmir> Hi!
[13:28] <hmir> I am having some issues with unmounting usb drives using the file manager. It won't unplug/eject the drive.
[13:28] <hmir> I get the error "Error unmounting /dev/sdb1: Command-line `umount  "/media/hmir/373CB26E2F6803E7"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: umount: /media/hmir/373CB26E2F6803E7: not mounte"
[13:29] <hmir> When I unmount it fomr the command line "umount /dev/sdb1" it unmounts just find. So why isn't it being unmounted from the desktop/filemanager?
[13:29] <hmir> just fine*
[13:30] <f00b4r_> ratrace: thanks again! I think you kept me from pouring a couple of drinks in order to drown my frustration
[13:30] <ratrace> f00b4r_: that's bad, right? :D
[13:31] <f00b4r_> ratrace: it's bad when you're on the job ;P
[13:31] <ratrace> ;)
[13:33] <rdp5008> Would it be easier to do a fresh install of 16.04 or update from 14.04 to 16.04 for my owncloud server? I am using an app that wants php>5.6 (owncloud news)
[13:34] <ratrace> rdp5008: I'd backup the data, try upgrade and if it fails, reinstall. But keep in mind there's a bug currently floating around, you can't upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 at the moment.
[13:34] <sleepypixels> That's the swap bug isn't it?
[13:34] <ratrace> Bug #1555237
[13:35] <rud0lf> hmm the bug mentioned on ReleaseNotes page of xenial is not there any more
[13:35] <ratrace> I guess it's fixed then. Must be very recent fix.
[13:37] <Guest33787> Guys, do you know how to create a bootable WIndows iso using dd? I need it for my job (Windows) and I can't boot using dd
[13:37] <Guest33787> Do you guys have any clue?
[13:39] <ratrace> Guest33787: I did it with two partitions on the USB, the first one with grub chainloading into the second one, which is pure dd of the iso
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Guest33787, no but you could use dd to copy one windows partition/hard drive to another , if that's possible in your case
[13:41] <ratrace> Guest33787: I think this was the guide I followed: http://onetransistor.blogspot.hr/2014/09/make-bootable-windows-usb-from-ubuntu.html
[13:41] <cuore> ls
[13:42] <rdp5008> ratrace I have it in a vps so I will definitely do a snapshot backup first. I just know that my owncloud instance has php5 dependencies so I'm not sure how that works with php7 in 16.04
[13:42] <ratrace> rdp5008: wait, php is at 7 in 16.04?
[13:42] <Pici> yes.
[13:42] <ratrace> oh look at that, splendid!
[13:43] <rdp5008> yea, that is what has me worried :)
[13:44] <rdp5008> but I saw someone do a test with owncloud on php7 and it was significantly faster
[13:44] <Pici> also, #ubuntu+1 exists for this sort of thing :)
[13:45] <ratrace> rdp5008: one problem I had with PEAR, php7 requires newest PEAR
[13:45] <ratrace> on another platform, not ubuntu, but something to keep in mind.
[13:49] <rdp5008> it sounds like it will be easiest to just do a new 16.04 sever with a fresh owncloud instance and then migrate the data
[13:53] <ubuntu598> My ubuntu storage went full 24 GB/24GB used, and now i can't even login. Hopefully i recovred my files. How can i fix this? / is formating the only possible solution ?
[13:54] <kdmiller> is there a gui to configure an autostartup file like windows
[13:54] <Bashing-om> ubuntu598: Log in through grub's recovery console ?
[13:56] <ubuntu598> Bashing-om , i tried to, but i didn't want to. Ubuntu need some free space to create some TMP files for login i guess, and my disk space is just 100% full
[13:57] <EriC^^> ubuntu598: as Bashing-om said use grub's recovery (after choosing advanced) then press drop to root shell and type mount -o remount,rw / and try apt-get autoclean , and apt-get clean to remove some package files that were used to install packages, try apt-get autoremove too
[13:57] <EriC^^> kdmiller: there's settings > startup apps
[13:59] <server_> I am trying to get usb gadget working on Ubuntu 14.04.  In dmesg I see rnsdis_host at usb-0000:00d.0-1.1 but I see no usb0 device.
[13:59] <server_> I also do not see modules for g_ether
[13:59] <kdmiller> humm don't see that in system setting
[14:00] <server_> What can I apt-get for this or how to configure it?
[14:01] <Bashing-om> ubuntu598: One "should" be able to log in as EriC^^ advised, as the system reserves 5% for 'root' for just such a case as yours .
[14:07] <homa> hi my friends
[14:08] <Insanity_> Hello
[14:12] <MonkeyDust> kdmiller  there's bum, bootup manager
[14:12] <Grav> Hello, I have dual monitor setup, with right one being primary. Is it possible for applications to open on it instead of left/secondary one? Using Ubuntu 14.04.
[14:13] <mia__> Hey all
[14:14] <kaffien> Since doing a release upgrade I was unable to access NFS  and SSH from our VEAAM server.   i did  do-release-upgrade -d but it took me to 16.04.   Since then  VEEAM cannot access NFS or SSH.  The ports are open according to nmap.
[14:14] <SchrodingersScat> !16.04 | kaffien
[14:15] <MonkeyDust> kaffien  -d means development, that's why it's now 16.04
[14:15] <kaffien> i follow a bad tutorial ....
[14:15] <MonkeyDust> kaffien  yes
[14:15] <kaffien> it was supposed to take me to 15.04
[14:15] <SchrodingersScat> yes, if that wasn't your intent
[14:15] <SchrodingersScat> 15.04 isn't supported anymore
[14:15] <MonkeyDust> kaffien  15.04 is dead
[14:15] <kaffien> lovely
[14:16] <kaffien> so 14.04 is the latest supported?
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> kaffien  15.10
[14:16] <kaffien> ah
[14:16] <Pici> 14.04 is the most current LTS
[14:16] <SchrodingersScat> or 15.10, but 14.04.4 is last LTS
[14:16] <kaffien> well that would have been ok to
[14:16] <kaffien> there's no way to go back is there other than  nuke from orbit.
[14:16] <SchrodingersScat> kaffien: since time has passed, it may be more difficult to go from 14.04.4 to 15.10, but there may be a way
[14:17] <nomic> got problem with mouse pointer stalling on xubuntu
[14:17] <nomic> pointer does not initially move -- I am moving away from xubuntu fast --- this has been an issue for some time
[14:17] <nomic> problem seems to go away and return .. im not having i t
[14:18] <nomic> its got a lot worse
[14:18] <kaffien> I just find it odd that not even ssh works  from veeam.  but i can use my regular ssh client no problem.
[14:18] <kaffien> nfs shares mount from a linux  client as well
[14:18] <SchrodingersScat> !info veeam
[14:19] <kaffien> cute
[14:20] <kaffien> its a version issue that im taking up with +1   if i cannot figure it out i'll phone up veaam and see what can be done.
[14:21] <SchrodingersScat> kaffien: yeah, that appears to be freedom denying software, your beef is with veeam
[14:22] <kaffien> ubuntu upgraded something veeam didn't change hehe technically i upgraded something
[14:22] <kaffien> just what you get using open source  eh?
[14:23] <kaffien> oh and they put sugar in my coffee today ...  i knew something went wrong
[14:24] <MonkeyDust> kaffien  some days, you shouldnt get out of bed
[14:24] <kaffien> my gf  was like ...  rob! ...   whaaaaaat?
[14:24] <kaffien> get up!
[14:24] <kaffien> whyyyyy?
[14:24] <krobzaur> So I have a 64-bit UEFI based machine. However, I'm trying to create bootable USB drives for BIOS based machined. Can anybody tell  │
[14:24] <krobzaur>  aep             │                         | me how I can aquire the i386-pc target for grub so I can build these drives?
[14:24] <krobzaur> oops my bad
[14:24] <SchrodingersScat> !offtopic
[14:25] <krobzaur> So I have a 64-bit UEFI based machine. However, I'm trying to create bootable USB drives for BIOS based machined. Can anybody tell me how I can aquire the i386-pc target for grub so I can build these drives?
[14:25] <Domi> Hello, does Ubuntu Snappy Core work on raspberry pi 3?
[14:25] <krobzaur> Im running ubuntu on my current machine for the record. That is the machine I want to build these usb drives from
[14:25] <SchrodingersScat> !snappy | Domi
[14:26] <malaverdiere> I want to install Ubuntu 16.04 beta on an older netbook with 1GB ram - is that too little RAM? Should I consider an ubuntu variant with XFCE or LXDE?
[14:27] <compdoc> it has onboard video that needs some of that ram?
[14:27] <mia__> what software should I use for my webcam, to stream video and audio at the same time
[14:27] <mia__> for something sort of alike a surveillance system
[14:28] <mia__> I want to stream the video and autio from my webcam to a web interface and if possible record it at the same time
[14:28] <mia__> is there a premade software that can do this
[14:28] <croben> i need to launch an instance of 'Ubuntu 12.04 amd64' on AWS
[14:29] <croben> how do i know which version to pick?
[14:29] <teward> croben: what versions does it list?
[14:29] <teward> because it will likely say Ubuntu Precise or Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[14:30] <teward> i don't think you get to select the arch
[14:30] <teward> (I haven't used AWS in eons)
[14:31] <croben> teward, 392 versions
[14:31] <croben> i think i want a lts version, does that sound sane?
[14:32] <MonkeyDust> !info zoneminder | mia__
[14:32] <mia__> MonkeyDust, tried it, it was overcomplicated.
[14:32] <mia__> didn't work for me.
[14:32] <croben> seems like there's no lts versions available
[14:33] <ouroumov> croben, uh? https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B00JV9JBDS
[14:34] <teward> croben: '392' versions sounds like that's everything, NOT Ubuntu specific items
[14:34] <teward> croben: it's in their default first list of images to use, it's usually in the first few in the list
[14:38] <malaverdiere> compdoc: not sure
[14:39] <compdoc> malaverdiere, doubt it will run well, but you can boot a live cd and see
[14:39] <bumblefuzz> so, with the rise of macbook use among devs, when will linux be able to make use of the touch pad and the magic mouse?
[14:40] <bumblefuzz> that is literally the only thing holding me back from switching right now
[14:40] <bumblefuzz> I love multitouch gestures so much
[14:40] <malaverdiere> compdoc: if that fails, which variant of Ubuntu is noob-friendly and lightweight?
[14:41] <MonkeyDust> bumblefuzz  is this useful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch
[14:41] <compdoc> I like ubuntu server running a minimal Mate desktop, but it doesnt hurt to try any of em
[14:41] <ash_workz> when you set up a crontab such as 0 0 10 * 1 --- every monday @ midnight & every 10th of the month --- does this "and" mean that both conditions must be met or both times will run the task? (task will run at either time)
[14:42] <atl45> Looking for help topics on running virtual consoles on 4k screens. Can't make anything out when I switch to a virtual console. Is there any fix to this?
[14:42] <MonkeyDust> bumblefuzz  or this, scroll down to xSwipe http://askubuntu.com/questions/451386/how-to-achieve-multi-touch-gestures-in-ubuntu-14-04
[14:42] <ash_workz> (maybe not the appropriate channel to ask that question)
[14:44] <bumblefuzz> also, I have 2 video cards (1 integrated and 1 discrete)... when I run ubuntu on my mac the battery life is terrible (3-4 hours instead of 7-8) and I think it's because ubuntu cannot switch between graphics cards
[14:44] <fii> httpd registers Berkely's ip scans as "attempts to use known hacks", should I care at all?
[14:45] <bumblefuzz> ...granted, the last time I checked all this was several months ago
[14:46] <bumblefuzz> ...and hoping it's come far enough to finally switch
[14:46] <croben> ouroumov, that's 14.04
[14:46] <Gnomethrower> bumblefuzz: have you heard of Bumblebee? Not sure what it's called nowadaays
[14:47] <bumblefuzz> Gnomethrower nope
[14:47] <Gnomethrower> bumblefuzz: are you talking about NViDiA Optimus?
[14:47] <Gnomethrower> if so, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[14:48] <davido_work> If I switch from "For long-term support versions" to "For any new version", how difficult will it be to roll-back in the case of emergency / breakage?
[14:48] <Gnomethrower> bumblefuzz: Oh, disregard me.. it's apple's own thing, not Optimus
[14:48] <bumblefuzz> these are my specs: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP704?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
[14:49] <bazhang> davido_work, restore point? downgrade or what
[14:49] <MonkeyDust> davido_work  for one, backup first
[14:49] <Gnomethrower> bumblefuzz: this MIGHT be what you're after? https://github.com/0xbb/gpu-switch
[14:49] <davido_work> Sorry for not being specific. Downgrade.  (I do back up weekly with 'Backup' --and just did so again this morning)
[14:51] <ash_workz> what's a good channel to ask cron questions?
[14:51] <Gnomethrower> bumblefuzz: you have exactly the same ports as my rMBP :)
[14:51] <Gnomethrower> ash_workz: probably this one
[14:52] <LegalDrokz> if not too specific
[14:52] <ash_workz> can you set cron values to higher than there guaranteed interval for the timeframe? (ie: every 500 minutes or every 30 hours)
[14:53] <mekkadra> hello
[14:53] <bumblefuzz> Gnomethrower cool! :)
[14:53] <mekkadra> i need python help
[14:53] <mekkadra> could any one help me
[14:53] <Gnomethrower> bumblefuzz: yeah, check out https://github.com/0xbb/gpu-switch
[14:53] <Gnomethrower> i'm like 90% sure that's what you're after
[14:53] <Gnomethrower> but beware it hasn't officially been tested on your model of MBP
[14:54] <ash_workz> mekkadra: why not try #python?
[14:54] <mekkadra> i had prlm joining it
[14:55] <davido_work> #python will shift you over to #python-unregistered if you attempt to join without registering your nick first. Registering is not difficult, and within the realm of reasonable expectations in a technical channel.
[14:55] <Proksima43553> Do you guys know how unity probe the system to know whether or not to display a desktop with 3D effects or not?
[14:55] <ash_workz> mekkadra: are you registered with nickserv?
[14:55] <trijntje> I'm getting ping spikes on my ubuntu laptop, both using a dongle and the internal wifi, making internet completely unusable
[14:55] <krobzaur> So I have a 64-bit UEFI based machine. However, I'm trying to create bootable USB drives for BIOS based machined. Can anybody tell me how I can aquire the i386-pc target for grub so I can build these drives?
[14:56] <trijntje> how can I fix this issue?
[14:56] <krobzaur> Because my machine has UEFI firmware my grub installation lacks the necessary files and scripts for the i386-pc target
[14:56] <krobzaur> Im running ubuntu on my current machine for the record
 no how i can do that
[14:56] <ash_workz> mekkadra: type /ns register --help
[14:56] <ash_workz> mekkadra: it will give you the syntax to register your nick, you need to provide an email address
[14:57] <ash_workz> also, people can help you in #freenode
[14:57] <Guest53988> that's a lot of users
[14:57] <mekkadra> ash_workz i wil try
[14:58] <timp> hello
[14:58] <mekkadra>  ash_workz i couldn't make it
[14:58] <timp> I am trying to reconfigure my keyboard using xmodmap, when I log in
[14:58] <gorroth> hi
[14:59] <timp> I tried putting the xmodmap call in ~/.xinitrc, ~/.xsessionrc and adding it to Startup Applications
[14:59] <rdp5008> any experice with ubuntu touch in here? How well do webapps work when there is no wifi?
[14:59] <timp> but it does not update my keyboard layout. If I run the command (xmodmap ~/my-xmodmaps) manually in a terminal after logging in, it does what I expect
[14:59] <gorroth> i'm having a problem in ubuntu 15 that i didn't have in ubuntu 14: my wifi will disconnect from our stupid wpa2/enterprise wifi router every night.  i checked, and power management mode is not on on my wireless card, a 06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095a] (rev 48)
[14:59] <ash_workz> mekkadra: sorry /ns help register
[14:59] <timp> rdp5008: there is an #ubuntu-touch channel for that
[15:00] <mekkadra>  /ns help register
[15:00] <ash_workz> mekkadra: no space
[15:00] <gorroth> does anyone know how to resolve this or figure it out?
[15:00] <ash_workz> but since I did it, I can just give you the syntax
[15:00] <rdp5008> timp thanks, so many channels  :)
[15:00] <trijntje> I keep getting lag on my laptops wifi, so bad that internet becomes unusable. How can I fix this?
[15:00] <ash_workz> mekkadra: /ns register <password> <email-address>
[15:02] <mekkadra> ash_workz it says is not a valid email address.
[15:02] <ash_workz> mekkadra: :\ perhaps you mistyped your email address?
[15:03] <ash_workz> so, someone suggests that you use a calculated parameter for a crontab of "ever two weeks": 0 6 * * Tue expr `date +\%W` \% 2 > /dev/null || /scripts/fortnightly.sh
[15:03] <mekkadra> ash_workz no but i put a gmail
[15:04] <rdp5008> already registered maybe?
[15:04] <ash_workz> rdp5008: maybe...
[15:04] <ash_workz> mekkadra: mines a gmail too
[15:04] <davido_work> @mekkadra Perhaps you used <> literally?
[15:04] <ash_workz> mekkadra: they'll probably be able to help you out more in #freenode
[15:04] <ash_workz> oh
[15:04] <ash_workz> that could be
[15:05] <davido_work> (which would be incorrect)
[15:05] <ash_workz> mekkadra: ^
[15:05] <ash_workz> nice catch davido_work
[15:05] <davido_work> It's like saying "Repeat after me. I, state your name...." (and having the person doing the repeating say "state your name"
[15:06] <trijntje> I keep getting lag on my laptops wifi, so bad that internet becomes unusable. How can I fix this?
[15:06] <philm88> could someone with an ubuntu 14.04 box do me a favour and run; curl https://apt.dockerproject.org and let me know if it throws any certificate errors?
[15:06] <mekkadra> davido_work ash_workz thanx a lot it works
[15:06] <ash_workz> mekkadra: sweet; now join #python ; don't forget to look at the TOPIC!
[15:07] <ash_workz> mekkadra: it usually has great info and links to a wealth of qualified information.
[15:08] <cerberus> does ubuntu support 32bit uefi bootloader?
[15:08] <mekkadra> ash_workz hope so thanx again
[15:09] <ash_workz> mekkadra: np, good luck
[15:09] <trijntje> I keep losing internet in ubuntu, how can I fix this?
[15:09] <gorroth> ah, well, i suppose my question was too low-level for this chan
[15:09] <ash_workz> trijntje: when did it start? what have you tried?
[15:10] <trijntje> ash_workz: since install. I've tried switching to a dongle instead of the internal wifi, but that didnt help
[15:10] <Mitchell92> hi all, I have a few Apple Magic Mouse laying around, new computer arriving tomorrow... going to load ubuntu. Have you guys had good compatibility with the bluetooth magic mouse under ubuntu?
[15:12] <ash_workz> trijntje: I'm sure there are other people that can offer some utilities to look at for advice, I just wanted to flush out your question more
[15:12] <MonkeyDust> Mitchell92  this is the support channel, you can come to channel if you have issues with that mouse ... install blueman
[15:12] <Mitchell92> Thanks, MonkeyDust... I was just wanting to ask before I went ahead and potentially wasted time trying
[15:13] <trevor_s> hey does anyone know how to make the uefi boot manager from windows load GRUB? where do i install grub to?
[15:13] <ash_workz> trijntje: sorry I can't be of much help though
[15:13] <MonkeyDust> Mitchell92  think positive: if it doesnt work, then you/we know that, for future refernce, and your time wasnt wasted
[15:13] <krobzaur> trevor_s: Do you man use grub to chainload the windows boot loader? Or vice versa?
[15:14] <krobzaur> mean*
[15:14] <Mitchell92> Thanks. I haven't used linux in a great amount of time as a primary OS... so I'm excited, but also remembering the woes I had with wifi under linux so I'm hoping things have improved greatly.
[15:14] <trevor_s> krobzaur, however i can get it to dual boot both
[15:14] <trevor_s> in eufi mode
[15:14] <trevor_s> uefi
[15:14] <ash_workz> the first 2 days of this year are in week 53 of last year. That's pretty interesting to me
[15:15] <trevor_s> krobzaur, i'm trying to do this https://askubuntu.com/questions/623814/install-ubuntu-15-04-with-full-disk-encryption-but-without-swap-partition
[15:15] <trevor_s> i have windows 10 with bitlocker and want to encrypt ubuntu as well
[15:15] <trevor_s> and dual boot
[15:16] <trijntje> trevor_s: you can do that from the graphical installer right? Unless you think windows bitlocker gets in the way?
[15:16] <trevor_s> i cant setup luks and lvm in the graphical installer
[15:17] <trevor_s> i have to try and do it from the command line like this i think https://askubuntu.com/questions/623814/install-ubuntu-15-04-with-full-disk-encryption-but-without-swap-partition
[15:17] <trevor_s> unless you know of a better way
[15:17] <trevor_s> i just need this to work
[15:17] <f00f00> Hi!
[15:17] <trevor_s> been working on it for 2 days straight
[15:17] <trijntje> trevor_s: I always do it from the graphical installer, but without lvm. Do you really need it?
[15:17] <f00f00> I'm having a hard time running a legacy script on my machine
[15:17] <f00f00> 32bit
[15:17] <ash_workz> anyway, in the cron tab: 0 6 * * Tue expr `date +\%W` \% 2 > /dev/null || /scripts/fortnightly.sh -- date evals to the week number of the year (which in this case is 14)... I assume the remaining part evals to 14 % 2 = 0, so I guess that's "0 6 * * Tue 0" ? but that's 6 fields --- aren't there only 5 in cron?
[15:17] <krobzaur> trevor_s: Dual booting is generally a pain in the ass and I know nothing about windows.
[15:17] <trijntje> Hi all, I'm running ubuntu but I keep losing wifi, using both the internal wifi and a dongle. What could be going on?
[15:18] <f00f00> it looks for a specific version of libstdc++
[15:18] <f00f00> concretely, it requires version 6.2-2
[15:18] <krobzaur> trevor_s: But what you want to do is live boot (you can use the ubuntu installer to do that), then partition your disk the way you want it
[15:18] <f00f00> but when I install the packages for running 32 bit applications, I only get version 6.0
[15:18] <f00f00> how do I fix this?
[15:19] <krobzaur> trevor_s: So you'll need a GPT partition table. You can create one at the command line. Then you'll need an EFI System Partition. That is the parition grub will exist on.
[15:20] <trijntje> krobzaur: wont creating a new partition table destroy their windows install?
[15:20] <krobzaur> trijntje: Yes
[15:20] <trevor_s> krobzaur, i need to create both of those even though windows already has an EFI boot partition?
[15:20] <trijntje> trevor_s: do you really need lvm?
[15:20] <trevor_s> why do you want to destroy my windows install?
[15:20] <ash_workz> trijntje: maybe try throwing in your version of ubuntu and any error messages you get; move closer to the antenna; how long does it stay up before it shuts off, etc? Also, google in the mean time and ask again in like 20 minutes or so unless you discover something different. I would probably start with something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25557 -- read up on your utilities
[15:21] <trevor_s> trijntje, what would be my reason for needing lvm? i was told i needed it
[15:21] <trevor_s> to have full disk encryption on ubuntu
[15:21] <krobzaur> trevor_s: If you already have a system running on the drive how do you plan to create another partition for you ubuntu install?
[15:21] <krobzaur> trevor_s: If you don't know why you need lvm, you probably don't need it
[15:21] <trijntje> trevor_s: nah, you dont need lvm for encryption, people like it because it makes it easier to change partitions late on, but I've never bothered with it
[15:22] <Pici> ash_workz: yes, there are only 5 fields in cron.  Your command is running some clever logic to run /scripts/fortnightly.sh only if the output if the prior command 9.
[15:22] <Pici> ash_workz: er, 0, not 9.
[15:22] <krobzaur> trevor_s: You're going to have to repartition your disk somehow to make room for your ubuntu install, unless you left free space on the disk when you installed windows
[15:22] <trevor_s> krobzaur, i left free space
[15:22] <trijntje> ash_workz: I've been trying a lot of stuf, its not related to the antena since it happens like once every minute, and it drops the connection completely every 5 or so. Ill just hang around here for a bit
[15:22] <trevor_s> i shrunk the drive
[15:22] <krobzaur> trevor_s: How much?
[15:22] <ash_workz> Pici: if the 'output' is prior command 0?
[15:23] <trevor_s> ~35GB
[15:23] <krobzaur> trevor_s: But you are using the windows bootloader?
[15:23] <trevor_s> krobzaur, yes UEFI
[15:23] <ash_workz> trijntje: :P
[15:23] <trevor_s> i mean.. i dont need to use windows bootloader i just thought i had to
[15:23] <llutz> ash_workz: "expr `date +\%W` \% 2 > /dev/null || /scripts/fortnightly.sh"  is the <cmd> part, not a 6th time field. running script/fortnightly every even week-no
[15:24] <ash_workz> llutz: oooo
[15:24] <trevor_s> the booting is the sticking point here... i dont know or if i even need to configure /boot partition... and i dont know where to install grub
[15:24] <Pici> ash_workz: yes.  the || operator runs the following command only if the exit code of the previous command is 0.
[15:24] <ash_workz> OOOOO
[15:24] <Pici> ash_workz: test yourself with expr 1 || echo "test"  and expr 0 || echo "test"
[15:24] <trijntje> trevor_s: doesn't the installer ask you to install ubuntu next to windows? It should recognise the empy space
[15:24] <krobzaur> trevor_s: I would have used grub as my bootloader. You don't need a separate partition for /boot the machine I'm using to type this doesnt
[15:24] <ash_workz> Pici: yes, I see
[15:24] <trijntje> krobzaur: trevor_s you do need separate boot if you want encryption
[15:25] <krobzaur> trijntje: Yeah thats true
[15:25] <trevor_s> lol
[15:25] <Sayona> Hi, I reinstall my ubuntu, becouse I installed nvidia driver and give me black screen...
[15:25] <Sayona> ufff
[15:25] <trevor_s> both need to be encrypted
[15:25] <trevor_s> both need to boot
[15:25] <trevor_s> windows 10 and ubuntu
[15:25] <ash_workz> llutz Pici any objections to this concept? Is there a better way to run "once bi-weekly" ?
[15:25] <EriC^^> Pici: isn't 0 that it ran successfully?
[15:26] <trijntje> trevor_s: if you start the installation, doesn't ubuntu ask to install next to windows on the empty space?
[15:26] <trevor_s> trijntje, it asks to install next to windows but doesn't allow encryption
[15:26] <trijntje> trevor_s: ok, then you have to configure it manually from the installer. Its not hard to do
[15:27] <trijntje> trevor_s: do you have a backup of all important files on windows before you start?
[15:27] <trevor_s> trijntje, i just configure 1 big encrypted partition?
[15:27] <EriC^^> Pici: kinda confusing, expr 1; echo $? shows 0, and expr 0; echo $? also shows 0
[15:27] <EriC^^> yet each work differently with || echo something
[15:27] <bayer> hi, can somebody explain, or give me a hint on how to dkms on backports? i would need it for the iwlwifi module
[15:27] <trevor_s> trijntje, i can just 'reset' windows
[15:27] <trevor_s> i'm not too worried about it
[15:28] <trevor_s> so yes it is backed up
[15:28] <trevor_s> this is just a test machine
[15:28] <trijntje> trevor_s: no, you need 1 500MB ext4 partition with mountpoint /boot
[15:28] <llutz> ash_workz: due to the cron-limitations you always have to use some constructs like that. so i'd say "it's fine if its working"
[15:28] <Pici> EriC^^: thats weird. expr's manpage says that should work differently.
[15:28] <bayer> oops, i meant how to USE dkms with backports
[15:28] <trijntje> trevor_s: then put the rest in a 'physical volume for encryption'. And then create an ext4 with mountpoint '/' inside that
[15:29] <ash_workz> also, in that case, is it relevant if I use || or && in this particular case?
[15:29] <trevor_s> ok trijntje , does it need boot flag?
[15:29] <Pici> EriC^^: and it works as expected on my end.
[15:29] <ash_workz> -redundancy
[15:29] <trijntje> trevor_s: it will show up like /dev/mapper/SOMETHING after you created the physical volume
[15:29] <trijntje> trevor_s: no, that should be handled automatically
[15:29] <EriC^^> Pici: how does it work differently though? i thought || checks the previous commands exit status?
[15:29] <Sayona> is Ubuntu sexy?
[15:30] <Sayona> Ubuntu is femel or male?
[15:30] <trijntje> !language
[15:30] <EriC^^> expr 1 and expr 0 both exit with 0 and || is different for them
[15:30] <EriC^^> Pici: ah, my bad
[15:30] <EriC^^> Pici: they're actually different in exit status
[15:31] <trevor_s> trijntje, i dont think i can create an ext4 inside of the encrypted volume using the wizard
[15:31] <EriC^^> Pici: expr 1 returns 0 as exit status, so expr 1 || echo test never runs echo test
[15:31] <daveomcd> is it possible to pass a form builder object through ajax call or is that likely a bad idea?
[15:31] <trevor_s> trijntje, should i be making these partitions in the wizard or in gparted separately?
[15:31] <trijntje> trevor_s: you can, I did that yesterday ;)
[15:31] <Pici> daveomcd: methinks you're looking for a channel other than #ubuntu :)
[15:31] <trijntje> from the installer
[15:32] <daveomcd> whoops! thanks
[15:32] <trevor_s> trijntje, ok im loading the installer now
[15:32] <trijntje> trevor_s: http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/10/how-to-setup-encrypted-ubuntu-installation/
[15:33] <trijntje> trevor_s: scroll down to Step1
[15:33] <thomasvs_> re
[15:34] <ash_workz> weekday prefixes are allowable in crontabs?
[15:34] <trevor_s> trijntje, that doesn't appear to be using uefi
[15:35] <trijntje> trevor_s: I'm not so sure about that, I think the installer handles that behind the scenes
[15:35] <trevor_s> lol
[15:35] <trevor_s> lets pray
[15:36] <Shibe> is there any way to upgrade to mesa 11 on ubuntu 14.04?
[15:36] <llutz> ash_workz: yes
[15:36] <Shibe> without oibaf ppa
[15:36] <Shibe> oibaf is bleeding edge
[15:36] <Shibe> and breaks nvidia prime
[15:36] <trijntje> I've installed just like that on UEFI systems, but I have no idea if they secrtely used BIOS fallback ;)
[15:36] <trevor_s> trijntje, so i DONT make the /boot 'use as:'  EFI boot partition?
[15:37] <trevor_s> or just normal ext4 journeling
[15:38] <trijntje> trevor_s: I'm not sure, if its a test system I'd just give it a go. I dont know much about UEFI. However, I think you already have an EFI boot partition, namely the one that windows uses already, right?
[15:38] <tiblock> Hi. I have ubuntu 14.04 server with 20gb on / and log files ate all space so i deleted them, about 18gb, now  `ncdu` shows 2.1gb used but `df -h` shows 19gb used, what is broke and how to fix it?
[15:38] <trevor_s> trijntje, yes but that leaves the question.. where do i install grub?
[15:38] <trijntje> ubuntu needs its own boot partition for after UEFI/bios, to boot ubuntu and set up the encryption and stuff
[15:39] <EriC^^> trevor_s: grub's efi file goes in the efi partition
[15:39] <trijntje> trevor_s: you install grub to the default location, namely your harddisk. Most likely /dev/sda, the default should be correct
[15:39] <hamada_> bonjour
[15:39] <Exagone313> Is there something I can install so in pcmanfm I can create desktop files "shortcuts"?
[15:39] <EriC^^> you just use the windows efi as /boot/efi
[15:39] <trevor_s> EriC^^, i install it to windows boot loader efi?
[15:40] <Exagone313> pcmanfm is started via X through SSH and I want to make an "user-friendly" space without desktop/VNC
[15:40] <EriC^^> trevor_s: no, to the efi partition windows is using, ubuntu will take care of that
[15:40] <EriC^^> trevor_s: just click on the fat32 partition it is and choose efi
[15:40] <ash_workz> is the backslash really necessary there? ... I mean why wouldn't `... Tue expr $(date '+%W') % 2 > /dev/null || ...` suffice?
[15:40] <EriC^^> that guide's nice, just read it, though wish he mentioned how to make a swap partition too, i dont think it's difficult though
[15:40] <trevor_s> there is an efi 'windows boot manager' on sda4
[15:41] <llutz> ash_workz: you have to escape the %, it has special meaning in crontabs. so yes, you need the \
[15:41] <EriC^^> trevor_s: that's probably it then
[15:41] <bayer> hi, can somebody explain how to use dkms with backports? i dont know how to make dkms recognize the iwlwifi module out of the backports
[15:41] <trevor_s> EriC^^, so i install grub to that specific partition?>
[15:41] <trevor_s> seems like that would destroy it somehow
[15:41] <EriC^^> trevor_s: what do you mean when you're asking that?
[15:41] <ash_workz> llutz: I see.
[15:41] <EriC^^> trevor_s: how are you planning to install grub?
[15:41] <trevor_s> EriC^^, 'device for boot loader installations'
[15:42] <llutz> ash_workz: man 5 crontab
[15:42] <EriC^^> oh, just choose /dev/sda
[15:42] <trevor_s> EriC^^,  using the wizard
[15:42] <EriC^^> choose the full disk
[15:42] <EriC^^> ubuntu will put grub in the efi partition
[15:42] <trijntje> trevor_s: the installer is pretty clever, it will get most things right ;)
[15:42] <lerner> if vlc segfaults on ubuntu 15.10, should I ask here about the terminal output or in vlc?
[15:43] <trevor_s> EriC^^, still stuck on if i make /boot partition ext4 or efi ... and do i use the boot flag or not
[15:43] <trijntje> Hi all, I'm running ubuntu but I keep losing wifi, using both the internal wifi and a dongle. What could be going on?
[15:43] <trijntje> trevor_s: if you do everything in that link it should work with you setup, right EriC^^?
[15:44] <trijntje> http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/10/how-to-setup-encrypted-ubuntu-installation/
[15:47] <trevor_s> ok letting the wizard go...
[15:47] <trevor_s> last night the wizard crashed after grub couldn't be installed to /dev/sda
[15:48] <ash_workz> llutz: so $() will not escape the % for me either, will it.
[15:49] <jj_> excuse me what time is it??
[15:49] <pnwise> Can someone advice on a tool that will put my monitor into sleep mode/blank screen ?
[15:50] <eelstrebor> why do some irc networks use a self-signed ssl certificate? i know that recognized CA's are expensive though.
[15:50] <eelstrebor> some websites use self-signed certificates also
[15:50] <MonkeyDust> eelstrebor  #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:50] <jj_> nobody have time??
[15:51] <eelstrebor> MonkeyDust, thanks
[15:51] <trevor_s> jj_, its 11:51am
[15:51] <trevor_s> eastern time
[15:51] <rob0> pnwise, xset(1) will do it, but there are probably also GUI frontends thereto.
[15:51] <eelstrebor> jj_, your computer doesn't have the time?
[15:51] <trevor_s> trijntje, installation finished
[15:51] <rob0> Fri Apr  8 15:51:52 UTC 2016
[15:51] <jj_> i can go to eat
[15:52] <MonkeyDust> jj_  in alaska, it's now 7:52 am
[15:52] <pnwise> thanks rob0 but xset wont take anything from a script, my guess is some env are not set, but I am not sure which
[15:52] <jj_> i dont know its for the jet leg...
[15:52] <llutz> !ot | jj_
[15:53] <pnwise> I mean if I manually set cset options in terminal is fine, but anything from a script is ignored
[15:53] <rob0> pnwise, yes, $DISPLAY and $XAUTHORITY
[15:53] <jj_> im in new mexico, not old
[15:54] <rob0> pnwise, I ssh to my wife's machine and blank her monitor that way :)
[15:54] <EriC^^> rob0: lol
[15:54] <pnwise> lol, well I hove those set
[15:54] <rob0> I also bring up xeyes to keep an eye on her.
[15:54] <trevor_s> trijntje, the machine boots right into windows
[15:55] <jj_> where is michelito??
[15:55] <pnwise> DISPLAY=:0
[15:55] <pnwise> XAUTHORITY=/home/gruio/.Xauthority
[15:55] <trevor_s> trijntje, but if i go to the bootloader menu, i can select ubuntu
[15:55] <trevor_s> i have to hit escape at the beginning, and select 'boot device options'
[15:55] <EriC^^> pnwise: where are you running that script from
[15:55] <jj_> ahi ahi ahi el ciupacabra!!
[15:56] <EriC^^> trevor_s: hp laptop?
[15:56] <trevor_s> EriC^^, yes
[15:56] <pnwise> Well I tried as a cron @reboot, in i3 config, and as command in the startup applications program in ubuntu
[15:56] <EriC^^> trevor_s: boot ubuntu then disable the windows efi file
[15:56] <pnwise> I believe I tried every way I know
[15:56] <trevor_s> in the eufi boot manager i have os boot manager for both windows and ubuntu to select from
[15:56] <EriC^^> trevor_s: sudo efibootmgr -v , and sudo efibootmgr -B -b <hex>
[15:57] <trevor_s> what is the <hex> value?
[15:57] <trevor_s> is this 'undoable'?
[15:57] <EriC^^> pnwise: xset worked for me from ~/.profile i think on a different os
[15:58] <EriC^^> trevor_s: it's the boot entry hex
[15:58] <EriC^^> 0001 or so
[15:58] <rob0> "xset dpms force off" WFM, but that's not on Ubuntu
[15:58] <EriC^^> it's reversible
[15:59] <pnwise> EriC^^, Thanks that I think I haven't tried it. Let me see if it makes a difference.
[15:59] <trevor_s> so if windows is my first option it is 0001?
[15:59] <EriC^^> trevor_s: no, the boot order determines that
[15:59] <EriC^^> the uefi is hardwired to boot windows though
[16:01] <trevor_s> Boot0001* is the entry for windows boot manager
[16:01] <trevor_s> so is the value 0001?
[16:02] <rob0> pnwise, the cron @reboot can't work before your user has logged in and owns the display.
[16:02] <rob0> ah, gone
[16:02] <EriC^^> trevor_s: yeah
[16:02] <rob0> pnwise, the cron @reboot can't work before your user has logged in and owns the display.
[16:03] <trevor_s> EriC^^, then just restart?
[16:03] <EriC^^> trevor_s: yeah
[16:03] <yray> hi guys, I am having serious problem connecting to the internet using my vpn on ubuntu, I have a PPTP account at college, and I like to use it on ubuntu. but I don't know why but it fails to establish the connection. can it maybe be because I have used gufw firewall to block all incoming packets?
[16:03] <yray> should I maybe exclude something?
[16:04] <trevor_s> EriC^^, went straight to windows again...
[16:04] <EriC^^> trevor_s: boot into ubuntu and type sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:04] <pnwise> well, it wont work in ~/.profile either
[16:04] <yray> Also I like to see the error that is causing me not be able to connect to the internet and the vpn server, but it doesn't give me any erros, it just says that the pptp vpn has just failed.
[16:04] <pnwise> DPMS (Energy Star):  Standby: 0    Suspend: 0    Off: 0
[16:05] <EriC^^> pnwise: what command are you running
[16:05] <yray> guys?
[16:05] <trevor_s> EriC^^, it says use netcat
[16:05] <pnwise> EriC^^, /usr/bin/xset dpms 120 360 420
[16:06] <pnwise> Let me try without the path, but I doubt that would make a difference
[16:06] <pnwise> However the cron that didn't worked on reboot makes sense
[16:07] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ok i used netcat and it says 'BootCurrent: 0002, timeout 0 seconds, boot order 0000, 0002, Boot0000* Windows boot manager
[16:08] <trevor_s> so basically looks like Windows boot manager got renamed to 0000
[16:09] <EriC^^> trevor_s: try the command again it sometimes hangs and says use netcat
[16:09] <Sayona1> Uffffff
[16:09] <Sayona1> I have a lot of problems with ubuntu 14 , I install nvidia driver and I connot login with my user anymore in graphic
[16:09] <trevor_s> EriC^^, using netcat actually worked when i typed 'netcat' instead of 'nc'
[16:09] <Sayona1> why is so difficult
[16:10] <EriC^^> Sayona1: c'est la vie
[16:10] <pnwise> So the command in ~/.profile didn't work. Does anyone have other ideas?
[16:10] <Sayona1> :(
[16:10] <EriC^^> trevor_s: it's a coincidence
[16:10] <trevor_s> lol
[16:10] <EriC^^> haha :D
[16:11] <EriC^^> so any link?
[16:11] <trevor_s> http://termbin.com/0w1v
[16:11] <Sayona1> :((((((
[16:11] <EriC^^> trevor_s: tricky business
[16:12] <EriC^^> trevor_s: try sudo efibootmgr -B -b 0000
[16:12] <trevor_s> lol
[16:12] <EriC^^> and then sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999 again
[16:12] <EriC^^> trevor_s: there's an entry for the internal hdd or ssd that's before ubuntu too, it might be booting windows too
[16:13] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ya, bootorder is now 3000
[16:13] <trevor_s> which is that internal hard disk or solid state disk
[16:13] <EriC^^> disable that too
[16:14] <EriC^^> trevor_s: anyways no problem, if it's being a slippery snake we can always switch the efi files so it thinks it's booting windows while it's booting ubuntu instead
[16:14] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ok now it says 0002 is the first one now
[16:14] <trevor_s> reboot?
[16:14] <EriC^^> ok, there's no * next to them in the list right?
[16:14] <trevor_s> yes
[16:15] <cerberus> would https://sturmflut.github.io/linux/ubuntu/2015/01/21/installing-ubuntu-15.04-on-baytrail-tablets/ work for installing ubuntu on an acer one s1002 ?
[16:15] <EriC^^> ok try rebooting
[16:15] <trevor_s> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/elmw
[16:16] <trevor_s> EriC^^, it goes straight to windows
[16:16] <EriC^^> wow they actually disappeared
[16:16] <EriC^^> which hp is this
[16:16] <EriC^^> mine remain there, just lose the *
[16:16] <EriC^^> this is mine http://termbin.com/wqmq
[16:17] <trevor_s> yours have * too
[16:17] <trevor_s> oh, the windows boot manager
[16:17] <trevor_s> interesting
[16:17] <EriC^^> yeah, it just loses the * next to it and it stops booting
[16:17] <EriC^^> hp pavilion g6
[16:17] <trevor_s> this is an HP envy
[16:17] <EriC^^> aha
[16:18] <cerberus> anyone? =\
[16:18] <EriC^^> ok boot into ubuntu again
[16:18] <trevor_s> EriC^^, i'm there
[16:18] <EriC^^> type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:20] <trevor_s> http://termbin.com/mep1
[16:21] <EriC^^> trevor_s: type sudo cryptsetup luksClose bla
[16:22] <EriC^^> to decrypt it
[16:22] <EriC^^> sorry
[16:22] <EriC^^> wrong command
[16:22] <EriC^^> sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda7 bla
[16:23] <Sayona1> :((
[16:23] <kalexyco> bonsoir
[16:23] <Sayona1> uff
[16:23] <EriC^^> kalexyco: bonsoir, english only here though
[16:24] <trevor_s> EriC^^,  'cannot use device /dev/sda7 which in use
[16:24] <EriC^^> /join #ubuntu-fr for french
[16:24] <Sayona1> I connot use ubuntu, becouse my not work to login, after I install nvidia driver
[16:24] <EriC^^> trevor_s: odd, sudo parted -l doesn't show any /dev/mapper stuff?
[16:25] <trevor_s> also trijntje if you are still around thanks for you help man... i made some good progress here
[16:25] <EriC^^> Sayona1: boot into recovery mode and remove nvidia
[16:25] <Sayona1> yes if I remove nvidia work
[16:25] <trevor_s> EriC^^, yes it does... its in the termbin
[16:25] <Sayona1> EriC^^: but why not work anymore?
[16:25] <EriC^^> trevor_s: oh, just noticed
[16:25] <Sayona1> why are a lot of problems with ubuntu?
[16:26] <Sayona1> I think becouse they do a partner with windows
[16:26] <Sayona1> :(((
[16:26] <EriC^^> Sayona1: maybe new kernel doesn't work, or are the headers installed? check apt-cache policy linux-generic
[16:26] <trijntje> trevor_s: no problem, I hope its working now
[16:26] <Sayona1> is the last .iso on site
[16:26] <trevor_s> trijntje, it works... just have to manually boot to it
[16:26] <trevor_s> which wont be kosher for client
[16:26] <Sayona1> EriC^^: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute/?version=14.04.4&architecture=amd64
[16:27] <Sayona1> this I download
[16:27] <trevor_s> i'm a big step closer though
[16:27] <EriC^^> trevor_s: does sudo mount /dev/mapper/sda7_crypt /mnt work?
[16:28] <trevor_s> EriC^^, it executed but i didn't see anythin ghappen
[16:28] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, try ls /mnt , is ubuntu there?
[16:28] <trevor_s> EriC^^, define 'ubuntu' in that statement
[16:29] <EriC^^> /boot /etc /root /home /bin ....
[16:29] <trevor_s> yes sir
[16:29] <trevor_s> its there
[16:30] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, type "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[16:32] <trevor_s> EriC^^, says no such file or directory
[16:32] <EriC^^> for which
[16:33] <EriC^^> which dirs?
[16:33] <trevor_s> it just generically tells me that after command execution
[16:34] <EriC^^> trevor_s: try sudo mount -B /dev /mnt/dev
[16:34] <trevor_s> i should do this from the /mnt directory
[16:34] <EriC^^> it doesn't matter
[16:34] <trevor_s> that executed
[16:34] <EriC^^> sudo mount -B /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts
[16:35] <trevor_s> EriC^^, that executed... you realize this is creating a /mnt directory within /mnt, right?
[16:36] <EriC^^> no, there's already a /mnt dir there (for the ubuntu install)
[16:36] <trevor_s> oh ok
[16:36] <EriC^^> try sudo mount -B /proc /mnt/proc
[16:36] <EriC^^> same for /sys and /run
[16:36] <trevor_s> that worked
[16:36] <trevor_s> do sys and run too?
[16:36] <EriC^^> holy
[16:36] <EriC^^> lol hold on
[16:37] <Simplar> Hello. I'd like to downgrade my PHP version to PHP 5.3.29 on Ubuntu 14.04. How do I do it properly?
[16:37] <EriC^^> i forgot we're doing this from the actual install
[16:37] <trevor_s> yikes
[16:37] <EriC^^> thought we were doing it from a live usb
[16:37] <EriC^^> lol i think it's best if you just reboot
[16:38] <trevor_s> will all this data ive mounted go away or do i need to keep it>?
[16:38] <EriC^^> and we'll do what we need to do pretty easily and quickly
[16:38] <nacc> Simplar: why would you want to do that? it's not really possible w/in ubuntu. You'd need to find a PPA (and undrsetand that it's not supported then) or build from source (also not supported)
[16:38] <EriC^^> trevor_s: no it's ok, it'll just unmount
[16:38] <trevor_s> cool
[16:38] <ratrace> Simplar: PHP 5.3 has been long time unsupported
[16:38] <EriC^^> ubuntu-ception
[16:39] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ok we're back
[16:39] <nacc> Simplar: if you really need 5.3 and want "support", you should use precise, i think (but note that it's going EOL soonish)
[16:39] <nacc> Simplar: i guess not that soon, but still
[16:39] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, type sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi{,.backup}
[16:41] <EriC^^> trevor_s: check that it copied it with ls -l /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw*
[16:41] <EriC^^> should have a bootmgfw.efi.backup file now
[16:41] <EriC^^> too
[16:42] <trevor_s> EriC^^, rgr that. its there
[16:42] <trijntje> How do I file a bug against wifi?
[16:43] <ratrace> nacc: well, this time next year :)
[16:44] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, type sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
[16:45] <nacc> ratrace: :)
[16:45] <uatec> hi there
[16:45] <trevor_s> ok
[16:46] <uatec> i've just install 15.10, and after my initial start up, whenever i try to log back in, i just get my wallpaper, and nothing else
[16:46] <uatec> no icons, no menu bar, nothing
[16:46] <trevor_s> EriC^^, that seems pretty gangster
[16:46] <trevor_s> interested to see the outcome
[16:46] <uatec> twice i managed to fix this by deleting ~/.config, but that no longer works. Does anybody know how to resolve this problem?
[16:47] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, type sudo nano /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/efi/20microsoft
[16:47] <EriC^^> trevor_s: there's a line in a the middle that has efibootmgr.efi , make it efibootmgr.efi.backup (so grub knows what to look for to add windows to its list)
[16:48] <jhutchins> Why is the screensaver enabled on the installer?
[16:49] <yray> hi guys, can someone maybe be kind and take a few seconds and tell me what the command: "sudo modprobe nf_conntrack_pptp" does exactly?
[16:49] <yray> please?
[16:49] <EriC^^> jhutchins: maybe for live session purposes or something or persistent live usbs?
[16:49] <ioria> uatec Guest Account works ?
[16:49] <jhutchins> yray: It should load the nf_conntrack_pptp kernel module.
[16:50] <EriC^^> jhutchins: i think the default pass is ubuntu
[16:50] <jhutchins> EriC^^: Ah, Yes, I loaded the live version and ran the installer from there.
[16:50] <yray> which does what. I mean I need to know what that kernel module does and if it brings about some insecurities
[16:50] <yray> ?
[16:50] <jhutchins> yray: That would be a netfilter connection tracking module for point-to-point tunneling protocol.
[16:50] <yray> ok, so loading it is not insecure?
[16:51] <uatec> ioria, no. The guest account flickers a bit ad then returns to the login screen
[16:51] <trevor_s> EriC^^, it was just bootmgfw.efi
[16:51] <trevor_s> not efibootmgr.efi
[16:51] <trevor_s> all good?
[16:51] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ah, yeah
[16:51] <ioria> uatec  fresh install ?
[16:51] <jhutchins> yray: Not inherently, no, it would require that the module be configured in the nefilter/iptables configuration.
[16:51] <trevor_s> cool
[16:51] <uatec> ioria, about 2 hours old
[16:51] <EriC^^> trevor_s: yeah, run sudo update-grub
[16:52] <yray> ok thanks
[16:52] <ioria> uatec  what's your specs ?  cpu, ram video card
[16:52] <uatec> ioria, but i first noticed it after i rebooted about 15 minutes after the first boot
[16:52] <trevor_s> EriC^^, done
[16:52] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, try rebooting
[16:53] <uatec> it's a virtual machine running in Parallels on a mac, 6 gig of ram, 256 graphics
[16:53] <uatec> so that manifests as an 8core i7 (which is is)
[16:53] <EriC^^> trevor_s: btw sometimes windows might overwrite the bootmgfw.efi again when it updates, so you'd have to rename it again, also if os-prober installs a new version of that 20microsoft file you'll have to edit the file again for grub
[16:53] <trevor_s> EriC^^, it goes directly to windows
[16:53] <EriC^^> trevor_s: wow
[16:54] <ioria> uatec  oh, sorry not very good with Vm and mac
[16:54] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, there's still another file
[16:54] <trevor_s> lol
[16:54] <EriC^^> trevor_s: try sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi{,.backup}
[16:54] <EriC^^> then sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi
[16:54] <uatec> ioria, i don't think it's anything to do with that. I've been running debian on here for about 6 months with the same set up. and it was working
[16:54] <uatec> it's just chosen not to load up my desktop environment
[16:55] <uatec> i've see people reporting the same issue on google, that's how i found that deleting ~/.config worked
[16:55] <uatec> but that's stopped working now
[16:55] <ioria> uatec  unity , right ?
[16:55] <uatec> yup, completely default
[16:56] <ioria> uatec  try to install lubuntu-desktop, just for try
[16:56] <ioria> uatec  open a console and sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[16:56] <uatec> yup, doing that now
[16:57] <uatec> never heard of lubuntu before
[16:57] <pnwise> btw xsreensaver worked for my xset problem, havent tested if it will survive reboot tho
[16:57] <ioria> uatec  it's lxde
[16:57] <uatec> i see
[16:58] <ioria> uatec  from the login screen, click on the little ubuntu-logo, change Session and select lubuntu/lxde
[16:58] <scalper> i have i boot ubuntu from usb to try it, it asks for a login and password, what do i need to enter?
[16:59] <EriC^^> scalper: enter the password ubuntu
[16:59] <scalper> and login?
[16:59] <EriC^^> scalper: which ubuntu is it? unity?
[16:59] <uatec> yup, still downloading, i live in one of the richest cities in the world, and have internet like it's trickling out of a muddy stream in the desert
[16:59] <EriC^^> login ubuntu
[16:59] <scalper> EriC^^: invalid password it says
[16:59] <scalper> caps?
[16:59] <ioria> uatec  hehe, it happens
[17:00] <EriC^^> scalper: is it ubuntu unity or lubuntu xubuntu etc?
[17:00] <ioria> uatec  when it ends, sudo service lightdm restart
[17:00] <scalper> EriC^^: i will try google
[17:01] <trevor_s> EriC^^, done.. do i need to update grub or anything?
[17:01] <trevor_s> or just reboot
[17:01] <EriC^^> trevor_s: just reboot
[17:01] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ok i get grub with Windows loader being the third option... then it gives me grub again
[17:02] <trevor_s> and only gives ubuntu option
[17:02] <trevor_s> lol
[17:02] <EriC^^> trevor_s: when you press windows it gives you grub again?
[17:02] <scalper> EriC^^: if i login with login ubuntu and a blank password it is accepted but later it will prompt again the login dialog to ask for a password
[17:02] <EriC^^> trevor_s: well it's progress i guess
[17:03] <EriC^^> trevor_s: boot ubuntu and ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:03] <EriC^^> trevor_s: and cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:03] <trevor_s> sorry i take that back
[17:04] <scalper> EriC^^: maybe the disk isnt burned right since it shouldnt ask for a password
[17:04] <trevor_s> i get grub... if i select ubuntu it takes me to ubuntu
[17:04] <Gallomimia> is this a common occurrence today? E: Failed to fetch http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/ubuntu.com/packages/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_45.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.2_amd64.deb  404  Not Found
[17:04] <trevor_s> if i select windows... i get grub again
[17:04] <scalper> EriC^^: i start up from another usb
[17:04] <scalper> 32bit
[17:04] <scalper> lol
[17:04] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, boot ubuntu and run the commands
[17:04] <uatec> ioria: so i CAN log in to lxde
[17:04] <scalper> 32bit i386 iso
[17:04] <ioria> uatec  interesting ....
[17:04] <EriC^^> scalper: did you checksum the iso?
[17:05] <ioria> uatec  /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[17:05] <EriC^^> scalper: http://askubuntu.com/questions/103896/live-cd-asks-for-a-username-and-password
[17:06] <scalper> EriC^^: hmm, the other try ubuntu usb stick also asks for a password and when i enter login ubuntu with a blank password it's dialog will popup again, so the iso's are right, i'm sure of that
[17:06] <scalper> wtf
[17:06] <uatec> ioria: green all around
[17:06] <ioria> uatec   and sudo lshw -c Video
[17:06] <uatec> it's not an X problem or a graphics problem, it's a Unity configuration problem, Unity's Just in a mood
[17:07] <ioria> uatec   likely
[17:07] <uatec> https://www.dropbox.com/s/x8yk99qi7cy6rib/Screenshot%202016-04-08%2018.07.16.png?dl=0
[17:07] <scalper> EriC^^: what can be the problem?
[17:08] <trevor_s> EriC^^,  termbin.com/ici9
[17:08] <ioria> uatec   maybe you should talk with some vm/parallel guru ...
[17:08] <trevor_s> EriC^^, termbin.com/uv3r
[17:08] <scalper> EriC^^: i need to access the filesystem in order to backup files, i can't get into ubuntu from a try cd
[17:08] <scalper> dvd/usbstick whatever
[17:08] <uatec> i'm 100% convinced it's nothing to do with virtualization
[17:08] <scalper> how can i access the filesystem?
[17:08] <EriC^^> scalper: try to create a user from ctrl+alt+f2 then sudo adduser newuser
[17:08] <EriC^^> and alt+f7 to get to gui and login
[17:09] <uatec> WOAH, some weird key combo did this:
[17:09] <uatec> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k6mork1zj6cushy/Screenshot%202016-04-08%2018.08.54.png?dl=0
[17:09] <uatec> opened libreword or something. So clearly have some behaviour, but Unity isn't startingit's menus
[17:09] <uatec> or it's window manager
[17:10] <ioria> uatec  not loading ....
[17:10] <EriC^^> trevor_s: it doesn't make much sense why it's doing that
[17:10] <uatec> oh, it's big, still uploading
[17:10] <EriC^^> trevor_s: the bootmgfw.efi.backup is in fact the windows one, and in grub.cfg it chainloads it
[17:10] <scalper> EriC^^: i can add the user and give it a password etc, but when i login it will popup the login/password dialog again, so unity isn't starting or something
[17:11] <EriC^^> trevor_s: you say after you press windows you get another grub, with no windows entry this time?
[17:11] <heaven> Hello
[17:11] <ioria> uatec  what did that ?
[17:11] <trevor_s> EriC^^, no, windows is there
[17:11] <heaven> You used xubuntu + gnome?
[17:11] <uatec> i don't remember
[17:11] <uatec> , so now I killed my .Xauthority file, and restarted X, now I have icons when I login
[17:12] <uatec> but again, no window manager. And Word has opened itself agian
[17:12] <scalper_> EriC^^: i need this laptop within 2 hours for a bussines meeting
[17:12] <scalper_> EriC^: is there another tool that could access my filesystem that i could easy download and make bootable to usb?
[17:12] <ioria> uatec   ls -l  ~/.Xauthority
[17:12] <scalper_> (got disconnected)
[17:12] <heaven> Has anyone here used ubuntu with gnome ?
[17:12] <uatec> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ptq82ng3r9m8gi/Screenshot%202016-04-08%2018.12.47.png?dl=0
[17:13] <uatec> thats a newly created file though
[17:13] <EriC^^> trevor_s: type sudo nano /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/efi/20microsoft
[17:13] <EriC^^> and remove the .backup and then sudo update-grub
[17:13] <EriC^^> scalper: try to login there
[17:13] <EriC^^> ubuntu + blank pass
[17:13] <EriC^^> scalper: worse case scenario use the tty to copy your stuff
[17:13] <ioria> uatec   ls -l  ~/.ICEauthority
[17:13] <uatec> same permissions
[17:13] <EriC^^> scalper_: yeah you could download an iso using wget, and use dd to write to the usb
[17:14] <EriC^^> scalper_: try in the ctrl+alt+f2 DISPLAY=:1 startx unity
[17:14] <ioria> uatec  log out, login unity again (select the right session)
[17:14] <EriC^^> scalper_: it won't be a very stable xsession though i think, so just make ends meet to get your files or whatnot
[17:15] <trevor_s> update-grub or update-grub2
[17:15] <rob0> EriC^^, isn't that "startx -- :1 [args]"?
[17:15] <EriC^^> trevor_s: update-grub
[17:15] <uatec> ioria , i've done that a number of times
[17:15] <EriC^^> rob0: potato potatou i guess
[17:15] <EriC^^> haha :D
[17:16] <uatec> killing .Xauthority got me icons and that word processor, but no menus or window manager
[17:16] <EriC^^> rob0: actually it doesn't work here
[17:16] <scalper_> EriC^^: i'm blessed with a bootable cd from norton ghost 12
[17:16] <EriC^^> startx unity works pretty ok though
[17:16] <EriC^^> scalper_: nice
[17:16] <ioria> uatec  you mean no launcher and no panel at top, right ?
[17:17] <scalper_> EriC^^: i try startx unity
[17:17] <uatec> exactly
[17:17] <uatec> but i've justrestarted and even THEY have gone
[17:17] <EriC^^> scalper_: you need to put DISPLAY=:1 startx unity
[17:17] <rob0> ah, you're right, that does work
[17:17] <ioria> uatec  did you check the iso before install ?
[17:17] <EriC^^> scalper_: then it'll be on alt+f8 instead of alt+f7
[17:18] <trevor_s> EriC^^, with that selecting windows makes grub load even faster... was a pause before
[17:18] <uatec> no i didn't
[17:18] <scalper_> EriC^^: alt f8 returns a black empty screen with a: -
[17:18] <uatec> oh bummer look at the time
[17:18] <uatec> thanks for the help, but i've got to shoot
[17:18] <uatec> i'll try again another time
[17:18] <EriC^^> trevor_s: aha, that's so odd
[17:18] <scalper_> if i use startx unity from the console where i did add the user, it will not start, connection to xserver lost
[17:18] <ioria> uatec  ok
[17:19] <EriC^^> trevor_s: actually it's not odd
[17:19] <EriC^^> trevor_s: we need to switch the bootmgfw.efi files
[17:19] <uatec> interesting, i get this in .xsession-errors https://www.dropbox.com/s/lwbsq98dodu7sto/Screenshot%202016-04-08%2018.18.15.png?dl=0
[17:19] <EriC^^> trevor_s: sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi.backup /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
[17:20] <DANI111> uj
[17:21] <jhutchins> Great.  Installer crashed claiming a read-only filesystem.
[17:21] <ph88> hey guys, my laptop doesnt see the wifi network, when i start the same laptop with windows (dual-boot) i can see the network and connect no problem, how to diagnose ?
[17:21] <EriC^^> scalper_: did you put DISPLAY=:1 at the start?
[17:21] <scalper_> EriC^^: no
[17:21] <ioria> uatec  give a look at '3'  http://askubuntu.com/questions/614997/no-dash-or-menu-after-upgrading-from-ubuntu-14-10-to-15-04
[17:21] <EriC^^> scalper_: put it
[17:21] <scalper_> EriC^^: where do i need to put that
[17:21] <EriC^^> scalper_: at the start of the line
[17:21] <EriC^^> or type export DISPLAY=:1
[17:21] <ph88> channel is 13 by the way
[17:21] <EriC^^> then type startx unity
[17:21] <ioria> uatec  or try to reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[17:21] <jhutchins> ph88: Need to determine the chipset of the wifi, find out what files you need (probably firmware).  Search for ubuntu + chipset and see what you find.
[17:22] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ok done
[17:22] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok try rebooting
[17:22] <trevor_s> EriC^^, now im confused as to what files are where...etc
[17:22] <trevor_s> lol
[17:22] <EriC^^> trevor_s: now just the /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi is switched
[17:22] <EriC^^> the rest is pretty much default
[17:23] <trevor_s> EriC^^, straight to windows
[17:23] <EriC^^> that sucks
[17:23] <sayona1> :(( how I install nvidia driver for my GeForce Nvidia 740M without haveing problems? please help me
[17:23] <EriC^^> so basically it somehow needs both the bootx64.efi and bootmgfw.efi to be switched
[17:23] <EriC^^> but it wont load windows from grub
[17:23] <uatec> no luck just reinstalling ubuntu desktop
[17:23] <EriC^^> trevor_s: that's one tough hp
[17:24] <EriC^^> :D
[17:24] <trevor_s> some guy in linux told me to try update-grub using livecd
[17:24] <EriC^^> trevor_s: TJ- has a lot of knowledge on uefi maybe he can help
[17:24] <EriC^^> trevor_s: nah
[17:24] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
[17:24] <trevor_s> he also suggested i install linux first
[17:24] <trevor_s> which... ya i dont know
[17:24] <scalper_> EriC^^: so i hit ctrl+alt+f2 then i hit export DISPLAY=:1 and then i add the user? that sequence?
[17:25] <EriC^^> scalper_: no first do sudo adduser newuser
[17:25] <EriC^^> then export DISPLAY=:1
[17:25] <trevor_s> EriC^^, is there anything i should change to make this default?
[17:25] <EriC^^> then startx unity
[17:25] <trevor_s> EriC^^, i need to be able to reproduce this
[17:25] <uatec> ioria, no luck with compizconfig either
[17:26] <ioria> uatec  i see
[17:26] <EriC^^> trevor_s: you mean you want to convert it back to default right?
[17:26] <TJ-> EriC^^: what is the crux?
[17:26] <scalper_> eric
[17:26] <scalper_> i can't get loading the xserver so i keep in the bash
[17:26] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ya i guess
[17:27] <trevor_s> i mean... at least know what was changed so i get grub
[17:27] <scalper_> eric: the videodrivers are ok because the login prompt is in the gui
[17:27] <ph88> jhutchins, chipset is fine because i can connect to other wifi networks, i think it's because of channel 13 which is not used in USA (but i'm in europe)
[17:27] <scalper_> eric: the laptop is just an acer laptop from 2011
[17:27] <EriC^^> TJ-: long story short, hp envy, boots straight to windows, disabling windows boot entry didn't cut it, switching bootmgfw.efi didn't either, switching bootmgfw.efi and bootx64.efi gives a grub menu, but selecting windows brings up grub again after a pause (the windows efi is properly in grub.cfg though)
[17:28] <ioria> uatec   mv ~/.compiz  ~/compiz.backup
[17:28] <scalper_> EriC^^: what can i do now
[17:29] <EriC^^> trevor_s: i'm confused you want to make grub boot but windows doesn't boot from grub like it was a while ago?
[17:29] <TJ-> EriC^^: easiest answer first: GRUB in EFI mode with a Windows entry in its menu will ask the system firmware to boot the entry... so with you having switched the files around you go straight back into GRUB :)
[17:29] <EriC^^> TJ-: i know, but we switched os-prober's 20microsoft to look for the windows bootmgfw.efi.backup file
[17:30] <EriC^^> and it's properly in grub.cfg, it just seems to pause for a second, then boot grub again
[17:30] <scalper_> eric: my Ubuntu is stuck in a login loop when trying to enter my desktop. When I login, the screen gets black and soon after that the login screen comes back.
[17:30] <trevor_s> EriC^^, right now i go straight to windows without grub... maybe that is best for now
[17:30] <EriC^^> scalper_: you need to copy your data off it?
[17:30] <trevor_s> i just need this to be as default as possible so i can recreate this in a production environment... dare i say it
[17:30] <trevor_s> thats what is going to happen
[17:31] <TJ-> EriC^^:  trevor_s as to GRUB's /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi being ignored... smells to me like one of those systems where you have to 'bless' the GRUB efi file itself. If it is, enter the system's firmware set-up, look for a Security menu, and towards the lower end of that should be an option along the lines of "Trust file" ... it opens a file-chooser showing files in the EFI system partition. Navigate to
[17:31] <TJ-> /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi, choose it. Then the system should agree to use it.
[17:31] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, type sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi.backup /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi
[17:31] <EriC^^> that should leave all the files like they were, just with extra .backup files there
[17:32] <TJ-> EriC^^: but if the system hasn't Trusted that 'backup' file location, it'll ignore it, like it ignores grubx64.efi
[17:32] <EriC^^> also make sure /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/efi/20microsoft has bootmgfw.efi as it is default and sudo update-grub was run
[17:33] <TJ-> trevor_s: what's the make/model of the PC?
[17:33] <trevor_s> wait a second... this is weird... if i manually select unbuntu efi entry in the system uefi boot manager(escape-f10) and then get to grub... the windows entry works and takes me to bitlocker
[17:33] <trevor_s> how its set up now
[17:33] <trevor_s> but if i just let the machine boot... it goes straight to bitlocker
[17:33] <TJ-> trevor_s: as in, which model number, I know 'HP Envy' but that covers a wide range of devices
[17:33] <EriC^^> trevor_s: yeah it's using the bootmgfw.efi right now
[17:33] <Gallomimia> why am i getting a 404 error for downloading the firefox update on this mirror?
[17:34] <EriC^^> it doesn't like that we called it bootmgfw.efi.backup
[17:34] <Gallomimia> is it common? can i get it on a different mirror?
[17:34] <TJ-> trevor_s: that is because the EFI Boot Manager has a default entry set, which will be Windows.
[17:34] <TJ-> trevor_s: That will always boot if you don't access the manual boot device selection menu
[17:34] <trevor_s> TJ-,  envy 13-d010nr
[17:35] <TJ-> trevor_s: I'll see if I can find the firmware it has
[17:36] <trevor_s> TJ-, that option of trusted file in the firmware doesn't exist
[17:36] <EriC^^> trevor_s: is secureboot enabled?
[17:37] <EriC^^> why should it care what the file name is anyways
[17:37] <EriC^^> TJ-: doesn't it check some other stuff, what's a filename to it?
[17:37] <EriC^^> kind of silly
[17:38] <trevor_s> TJ-, the firmware is InsydeH20 setup utility rev. 5.0
[17:38] <trevor_s> if that helps
[17:38] <scalper_> EriC^^: i give it up i just format the entire drive
[17:39] <EriC^^> scalper_: ok, did you check
[17:39] <trevor_s> might be InsydeH2o
[17:39] <EriC^^> scalper_: what, why?
[17:39] <scalper_> EriC^^: cause i can't get in the filesystem
[17:39] <EriC^^> scalper_: check first if the guest account works if it does it's just a user config issue
[17:39] <EriC^^> scalper_: you can
[17:39] <scalper_> i wanted to format it anyways but first i wanted to backup some parts of the hdd
[17:40] <EriC^^> ok
[17:40] <TJ-> trevor_s: right. It has a Security tab
[17:40] <EriC^^> scalper_: how'd you format it?
[17:40] <scalper_> EriC^^: ubuntu <empty password> works but it just a problem of the desktop that wouldnt show up
[17:40] <sayona1> Uff
[17:40] <scalper_> EriC^^: i just install windows 10 first, after that i dualboot windows
[17:40] <sayona1> no seriously how I fix my nvidia cards? how I install nvidia driver correctly... becouse give me blackscreen
[17:41] <trevor_s> TJ-, i have 5 options in security tab.  administrator password, power-on password, tpm device(which i have hidden), intel software guard extensions(disabled), and Restore security settings to factory defaults
[17:42] <EriC^^> scalper_: ok, for what it's worth you could still get your stuff back if windows just erased the partition and didn't actually format it
[17:42] <trevor_s> EriC^^, sorry didn't see that.  secure boot is disabled
[17:42] <trevor_s> EriC^^, maybe try enabling it?
[17:43] <EriC^^> trevor_s: maybe, yeah
[17:43] <trevor_s> EriC^^, straight to bitlocker
[17:44] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok boot ubuntu again
[17:45] <EriC^^> if you still have the .backup files run sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi
[17:45] <EriC^^> (no need for caps fat32 isn't case-sensitive by default)
[17:46] <EriC^^> trevor_s: then sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
[17:46] <EriC^^> trevor_s: sudo sed -i 's/bootmgfw.efi/bootmgfw.efi.backup/' /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/efi/20microsoft
[17:47] <EriC^^> trevor_s: then try sudo update-grub and try rebooting
[17:49] <trevor_s> EriC^^, that gives me grub
[17:49] <EriC^^> ok, press e over the windows entry
[17:49] <trevor_s> when i select windows says 'could not install security protocol: (2) invalid parameter
[17:50] <trevor_s> blue screen with Ok as my only option
[17:50] <EriC^^> and see if it says chainloader /boot/efi/...bootmgfw.efi.backup
[17:50] <trevor_s> then when i hit enter is says something has gone seriously wrong with shim something or other
[17:50] <trevor_s> then the computer shuts down
[17:50] <EriC^^> trevor_s: lol
[17:51] <EriC^^> ok, try pressing e, if it says .backup, try replacing the line with /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi.backup
[17:51] <trevor_s> chainloader /EFI.Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
[17:51] <EriC^^> aha
[17:51] <EriC^^> add .backup to that line
[17:51] <EriC^^> and press ctrl+x
[17:51] <EriC^^> it should be .backup already if you ran the sed command and then update-grub
[17:52] <EriC^^> unless grub is using some other file somehow
[17:52] <trevor_s> something has gone seriously wrong again
[17:52] <trevor_s> when selecting windows
[17:52] <EriC^^> trevor_s: did you add .backup to it then press ctrl+x ?
[17:52] <trevor_s> it says .efi again
[17:53] <EriC^^> ^
[17:53] <trevor_s> ya, i added and pressed ctrl x
[17:53] <EriC^^> oh
[17:53] <EriC^^> bummer
[17:53] <trevor_s> its back to just .efi though
[17:53] <EriC^^> try /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi.backup
[17:53] <EriC^^> yeah it's a one time edit
[17:54] <EriC^^> any luck?
[17:54] <trevor_s> said file not found
[17:54] <trevor_s> it wont even let me save that
[17:55] <EriC^^> that's odd
[17:55] <trevor_s> wait
[17:55] <trevor_s> sorry
[17:55] <trevor_s> i didn't use bootx64
[17:55] <trevor_s> i just added /boot/efi/
[17:56] <EriC^^> oh
[17:57] <TJ-> EriC^^: trevor_s finally found a photo I archived showing the 'Trust' option: https://iam.tj/projects/misc/UEFI-InsydeH20-Trust-Bootloader-File.jpg
[17:57] <trevor_s> wtf
[17:57] <trevor_s> why dont i see that
[17:58] <TJ-> trevor_s: Do you have Secure Boot disabled? If so, try enabling it :D
[17:58] <trevor_s> i have it enabled now
[17:58] <EriC^^> TJ-: ah yes, 40 yards below the quarterback, is it?
[17:58] <TJ-> trevor_s: once you've 'trusted' the boot files, you can disable Secure Boot again
[17:58] <EriC^^> haha
[17:58] <TJ-> EriC^^: I treasure that photo! Took me about 4 hours with the user having the problem last year, and lots of photos of the Setup, to solve his issue!
[17:59] <ubuntu838> Hello, i'm running a server, and server closes when i close the terminal, i downloaded screen, after running the server via screen can i simply close the terminal?
[17:59] <trevor_s> TJ my secure boot setting is under system configuration
[17:59] <trevor_s> and i can only enable or disable it
[17:59] <trevor_s> its enabled now
[18:00] <TJ-> trevor_s: Hmmm, looks like HP may have done some 'customisation' of their version then
[18:00] <trevor_s> there is a platform key underneath that... that says 'enrolled' but i cant seem to change its setting
[18:00] <TJ-> trevor_s: is there anything on a "Boot" menu that might cause these options to show up?
[18:01] <trevor_s> yes
[18:01] <trevor_s> uefi boot order
[18:01] <trevor_s> under that it says OS boot manager
[18:01] <trevor_s> and i can select windows boot manager or ubuntu
[18:01] <trevor_s> i would imagine i should change this to ubuntu
[18:01] <trevor_s> wow
[18:01] <trevor_s> if this is it...
[18:01] <TJ-> trevor_s: right, so that is selecting the 'default' I would think
[18:01] <TJ-> trevor_s: you can also set the 'default' using efibootmgr from Linux
[18:02] <EriC^^> ubuntu838: yeah closing the terminal should keep the session open, screen -ls to list them, screen -r to resume
[18:02] <trevor_s> time to take secure boot off i think
[18:02] <trevor_s> keep getting blue screen for windows
[18:02] <Sayona1> Hi, i have laptop with intel and nvidia. I think i solve to install nvidia driver... how I see if is correctly install my nvidia driver?
[18:03] <GamesbydoTV> hi
[18:03] <GamesbydoTV> I hack you
[18:03] <GamesbydoTV> no i prank
[18:03] <GamesbydoTV> it's
[18:03] <EriC^^> trevor_s: that's cause the files are switched now
[18:03] <trevor_s> EriC^^, now i get grub
[18:03] <GamesbydoTV> bitch
[18:03] <EriC^^> trevor_s: boot into ubuntu one last time
[18:03] <trevor_s> but windows entry loads grub
[18:03] <trevor_s> we need to change those back
[18:04] <EriC^^> !ops | GamesbydoTV
[18:04] <GamesbydoTV> can you help my???
[18:04] <elky> GamesbydoTV: not if you're insulting people we can't.
[18:04] <EriC^^> trevor_s: sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi.backup /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
[18:04] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ok
[18:04] <TJ-> trevor_s: not sure if this will apply to yours, but take a look at: http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware-and-Upgrade-Questions/Unlock-the-advanced-functions-of-the-Bios-InsydeH20-Rev-3-5/td-p/4914320
[18:04] <GamesbydoTV> jdsncjkasnbckbhdachsdbcjhbsdjH
[18:04] <EriC^^> trevor_s: and sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi.backup /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi
[18:05] <GamesbydoTV> GTA 5 for ever
[18:05] <pnwise> ok xset is fucking annoying, nothing works, and have been having this issue for months. If that don't get fixed in 16.04 I will just ditch it
[18:05] <EriC^^> trevor_s: sudo sed -i 's/bootmgfw.efi.backup/bootmgfw.efi/' /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/efi/20microsoft
[18:05] <GamesbydoTV> R.I.P
[18:05] <elky> GamesbydoTV: stop.
[18:05] <EriC^^> trevor_s: then sudo update-grub
[18:05] <GamesbydoTV> blabla
[18:05] <GamesbydoTV> i can't stop
[18:06] <EriC^^> pnwise: what's the command do anyways?
[18:06] <GamesbydoTV> yes yes yes go away
[18:06] <elky> GamesbydoTV: please read the guidelines in the topic or go
[18:06] <EriC^^> pnwise: you're trying to get it to turn the screen off every x-mins?
[18:06] <Sayona1> 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 740M] (rev a1)
[18:07] <GamesbydoTV> ahoj
[18:07] <GamesbydoTV> jsem čech zmrdi
[18:07] <hggdh> GamesbydoTV: please stop
[18:08] <trevor_s> EriC^^, straight to bitlocker
[18:08] <EriC^^> GamesbydoTV: please continue
[18:08] <EriC^^> (reverse psychology)
[18:08] <pnwise> EriC^^, yes, but nothing survives reboot and wont accept anything from scripts. Last time I was looking into this there was bug with many people, I need to dig that out
[18:08] <EriC^^> GamesbydoTV: troll more please
[18:08] <hggdh> EriC^^: please do not engage trolls
[18:09] <trevor_s> YES!
[18:09] <trevor_s> i had to go back into bios and make ubuntu the default again for some reason
[18:10] <trevor_s> but i get grub now and can select ubuntu or windows
[18:10] <EriC^^> hggdh: ..
[18:10] <trevor_s> holy shit thanks EriC^^  and J-   !!!!!
[18:11] <elky> EriC^^: asking a troll to troll more isn't something we want to happen here. especially while we're trying to get them to stop.
[18:11] <trevor_s> not sure why i thought i needed lvm's.... made everything much more comoplicated
[18:11] <EriC^^> pnwise: there's a command for it "xset s on"
[18:11] <EriC^^> elky: yeah, it was a joke about reverse psychology
[18:11] <hggdh> trevor_s: please mind your language
[18:12] <EriC^^> point noted though
[18:12] <trevor_s> hggdh, sorry sir. wont happen again
[18:12] <hggdh> trevor_s: thank you
[18:13] <EriC^^> trevor_s: awesome!
[18:13] <EriC^^> TJ-: nice work!
[18:13] <pnwise> EriC^^, And why would you think if xset dpms don't work xset s will ?
[18:14] <EriC^^> pnwise: cause it's worked for me in another os from ~/.profile , it's worth a shot
[18:14] <EriC^^> pnwise: try xset s <seconds til screensaver>
[18:15] <EriC^^> pnwise: you could always use xautolock i think that's the name
[18:15] <EriC^^> it can run any command you give it after inactivity for some time
[18:15] <trevor_s> EriC^^, i know you are probably sick of this... but how do i make windows the top entry in grub? or modify how many seconds until it automatically selects it?
[18:16] <EriC^^> trevor_s: sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[18:16] <EriC^^> set the GRUB_DEFAULT='Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/sda4)'
[18:16] <EriC^^> and GRUB_TIMEOUT to the countdown seconds
[18:17] <EriC^^> TJ-: you can also use GRUB_DEFAULT='osprober-efi-B44E-AD5C' right?
[18:17] <TJ-> EriC^^: I believe default will work with titles, labels, and index number of entry
[18:18] <TJ-> EriC^^: but I've found it can be hit-n-miss if you use textual defaults :)
[18:18] <EriC^^> yeah, that's from his grub.cfg
[18:18] <EriC^^> i was thinking if it would matter at all for a production type of thing where he wants to clone stuff
[18:19] <EriC^^> i guess using the label here would be better
[18:20] <Guest65587> ???
[18:20] <GamesbydoTV> hi
[18:21] <GamesbydoTV> jste piči nebo co pište!!!
[18:21] <GamesbydoTV> vole
[18:21] <hggdh> ...
[18:21] <Myrtti> could you seriously not?
[18:21] <EriC^^> trevor_s: after you edit /etc/default/grub run sudo update-grub
[18:21] <GamesbydoTV> píčo
[18:21] <GamesbydoTV> can you hack my???
[18:22] <GamesbydoTV> i'm from czech republick
[18:22] <llwalahoop> Hi! How am I to find dependencies on a package?
[18:22] <GamesbydoTV> hii must go
[18:22] <Myrtti> that's sweet. But do you have a Ubuntu support question, GamesbydoTV?
[18:22] <pbx> !cz| GamesbydoTV
[18:23] <GamesbydoTV> jo jsem cz
[18:23] <GamesbydoTV> ahoj
[18:23] <Myrtti> !cz | GamesbydoTV
[18:24] <le_pig> llwalahoop: apt-cache depends <package>
[18:24] <Ale23> :(
[18:24] <Ale23> ubuntu have big problems with nvidia drivers....
[18:24] <llwalahoop> thanks le_pig !
[18:24] <trevor_s> EriC^^, any way to make windows the TOP listing in grub and the default?
[18:25] <trevor_s> i'm a grub/linux nub
[18:26] <EriC^^> trevor_s: yeah, sudo mv /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober /etc/grub.d/00_os-prober
[18:26] <EriC^^> trevor_s: then sudo update-grub
[18:27] <EriC^^> that's like a workaround to get it to run os-prober before the linux stuff when it's building grub.cfg
[18:27] <trevor_s> interesting
[18:27] <trevor_s> workarounds scare me when going production
[18:27] <trevor_s> this is just test
[18:29] <EriC^^> trevor_s: well technically the /etc/grub.d/README says just that 00_* is for header i'm not sure it's a problem
[18:29] <EriC^^> you could rename it to 06_os-prober to be safe
[18:30] <EriC^^> has to be before 10_linux
[18:35] <trevor_s> EriC^^, again... you're the man. appreciate all the time
[18:35] <trevor_s> even though i think all i had to do was change the default boot manager in bios
[18:39] <EriC^^> trevor_s: no problem
[18:39] <EriC^^> have a good one!
[18:43] <coffeeguy> hey when's the roll-out date for 16.04 LTS?
[18:43] <coffeeguy> is pumped
[18:43] <hggdh> coffeeguy: April 21st
[18:43] <coffeeguy> woohoo!!!
[18:43] <coffeeguy> anything happening on dec 2nd?
[18:44] <coffeeguy> thought there was a thing oh nm that's great hggdh :D
[18:45] <MonkeyDust> coffeeguy  sure you want to be here?
[18:47] <coffeeguy> MonkeyDust, here in #ubunut or...???
[18:48] <en1gma> im running "ubuntu-mate-15.10-desktop-amd64" in live mode off my usb stick. is there a way i can "apt-get update and apt-get upgrade" without it making me restart to make changes go in effect? i mean can i tell ubuntu somehow to update without installing updates that make me restart?
[18:50] <coffeeguy> or do you mean that other channel which i won't mention cause that's against #ubuntu policy
[18:50] <gr1zzlybe4r> What are file permissions for -rw--r--r-
[18:50] <gr1zzlybe4r> ?
[18:50] <h2> hello world! :-)
[18:51] <rob0> 0644 be4r
[18:51] <DANI111> dfsd
[18:52] <rob0> um, that's -rw-r--r--, actually
[18:53] <h2> I'm happy to report that ubuntu 16.04 works just wonderful with the Das Keyboard out out the box. I just got mine in about a hour ago, and everything is just brilliant!! ...Nothing to install, no drivers.... everything just works! (^_^)
[18:53] <pi_> hi
[18:54] <dtoebe> hey guys, I am getting snappy-tools not found on 16.04 (https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/) I also looked at the ppa I used from 15.10 and filtered for Xenial, and no snappy-tools build... Is there snappy-tools for xenial yet?
[18:54] <pi_> hallo
[18:54] <h2> Strange... it seems as though the first half of that message is missing lol
[18:54] <pi_> does someone here know raspberry pi?
[18:55] <gr1zzlybe4r> rob0: what's the 3 digit number for that permission?
[18:55] <rob0> 0644 can be shortened to 644
[18:55] <h2> Meh, anyways.... Das Keyboard -> Ubuntu 16.04b --> :-)
[18:55] <pi_> lol
[18:55] <pi_> ich bin noch auf ubuntu 15 ist 16
[18:55] <pi_> gut
[18:56] <gr1zzlybe4r> rob0: thanks
[18:59] <Bres> What is the command to install suggested packages along with NEW packages?... I've tried "apt-get --install-suggests install <package>" but this returns --install is not understood
[19:00] <dtoebe> Bres: apt-get intall <package> --install-recommends
[19:00] <Bres> are recommends the same as suggests?
[19:01] <dtoebe> Bres: Thats what I ave always used...
[19:01] <Bres> ok, thanks
[19:01] <dtoebe> np
[19:04] <Bres> Got it to work... apt-get install <package> --install-suggests --install-recommends    You put me on the right track though so thanks again
[19:05] <dtoebe> Bres, awesome! I I'll try it as well thanks
[19:12] <luist> hey guys, where does Software Center gets it’s app list?
[19:12] <baldpope> sup all - having some trouble installing (or running?) nodejs
[19:13] <\ni> luist, from this file /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:13] <baldpope> i installed nodejs - nodejs returns v5.10.1
[19:13] <luist> \ni: no. this is the repo
[19:13] <luist> not the app list
[19:13] <baldpope> but 'node' gets installed in /etc/alernatives/node
[19:13] <\ni> hmm. sry then
[19:13] <baldpope> or a symlink to it
[19:13] <baldpope> wtf is that?
[19:14] <baldpope> which then is a symlink back to /usr/bin/nodejs
[19:14] <baldpope> but when I run node it complains about /usr/sbin/node doesn't exist - and there is no reference to that anywhere else
[19:15] <dtoebe> baldpope, I use this: https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/ it works upto 166.04
[19:16] <dtoebe> ^16.04
[19:16] <baldpope> i'll check it out - ty
[19:16] <baldpope> dtoebe, while not originally from that site - that's the instructions I followed
[19:21] <cosmin> hi
[19:25] <gallo_mobile> when i run fdisk my internal drive have the UUID 0x000000000 but in blkid i get the unique identifiers and they wont mount from my fsyab config
[19:25] <gallo_mobile> running ubuntu 14.04
[19:25] <brainwash> !bash
[19:26] <gallo_mobile> created fstab on another user, created a new user and now drives wont mount on either user
[19:27] <reza_sam> hi ... my laptop connect to internet by wifi ... my seccond pc Does't have wifi.... how Can i ConecT laptop To pc 2 by cable and the end of seccond pc connet to ne?
[19:27] <reza_sam> hi ... my laptop connect to internet by wifi ... my seccond pc Does't have wifi.... how Can i ConecT laptop To pc 2 by cable and the end of seccond pc connet to interneT?
[19:27] <reza_sam> tnx all
[19:29] <ChunkzZ> can anyone explain what this does: "quiet splash acpi_osi=" it's the only way I can get my brightness working on my laptop....asus x501u
[19:29] <reza_sam> tnx all/?
[19:29] <reza_sam> anybody cant help?
[19:29] <mewecoffee> reza_sam: Have you tried this method? The "server" is your laptop with the Wifi http://askubuntu.com/questions/359856/share-wireless-internet-connection-through-ethernet
 hum wait to check it
[19:30] <Deruni34> hey guys. Is there a program on ubuntu that records screen voice and video at the same time?
[19:30] <MonkeyDust> reza_sam  type me and then hit tab to autocomplete the name
[19:31] <mewecoffee> Otherwise if you don't move your 2nd pc around a lot, you should look at getting a router that can run dd-wrt (custom firmware) and act as a wireless bridge. Connects to your primary router and you can use the ethernet ports as a switch
[19:31] <ChunkzZ> please answer. :)
[19:31] <MonkeyDust> !patience | ChunkzZ
[19:32] <ChunkzZ> lul ok
[19:32] <Deruni34> ChunkzZ: you have to wait for sometime to ask for help again if everyone does that the screen would be full of "pleasee" :)
[19:32] <ChunkzZ> lol :P no worries
[19:33] <ChunkzZ> it's just bugging me.
[19:33] <TGYoshi> Anyone knows a command or simple method like tiffsplit that extracts a single page instead of dumping all to the FS?
 veryyyyyyy  TNX :)
[19:35] <sam__> m
[19:35] <sam__> hi
[19:35] <mewecoffee> reza_sam: no problem
 CAN U HELP mE To Do This From Terminal?
[19:35] <sam__> yeah
[19:35] <sam__> what are you trying to do
[19:37] <mewecoffee> reza_sam: Ahhh that would be harder, I think this guide will help you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EasyWirelessToWiredConnectionSharing
 tnx alot :0
[19:37] <reza_sam> :)
[19:38] <sam__> anyone from netherlands??
[19:38] <jonathan_zz> here
[19:39] <jonathan_zz> does anyone have any experience reading ebooks on Linux? I remember reading bol.com ebooks (adobe epub drm) didn't go very well.
[19:39] <sam__> hi
[19:39] <jonathan_zz> hey daar
[19:39] <Pici> !nl
[19:40] <ChunkzZ> !help
[19:40] <TGYoshi> we even have coffee? how great
[19:41] <jonathan_zz> I remember being able to install a version of the adobe reading in Wine but it didn't work very well and the application kept crashing whenever I tried to search.
[19:41] <jonathan_zz> reader*
[19:41] <dcz> hello guys
[19:41] <dcz> i am trying to use vte while learning vala language. i added using Vte; but it gives me error. How we add it ?
[19:41] <jonathan_zz> I know Callibre is an ereader and I can probably use Wine to use a Windows program to take the DRM off the epubs, but.....
[19:46] <harduim> Hello guys
[19:46] <jonathan_zz> indeed it seems I can just read the DRM free epubs
[19:47] <reza_sam> hi again....i wanna update my sources list but i have some errors...ehat can i do?
[19:47] <MonkeyDust> reza_sam  the errors often contain a clue to solve them
 unable to fetch some archives
[19:49] <Guest96290> thanks everyone
[19:49] <Guest96290> How are we doing today?
[19:49] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:    Okular also does epub, kinda, and I'd think like Adobe, not too sure on that, but Okular opens epubs as pdf snapshots
[19:50] <reza_sam> mewecoffee, i shared my wifi to ethe 0 and in seccond pc i have ping but i cant open pages in brower or install o ipdate my linux :((
[19:50] <harduim> Some with knowledge in systemd could gimme a help?
[19:50] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: yeah it seems I had one unlocked epub and Okular read that, but the other one I had is garbled.
[19:51] <reza_sam> harduim, WHATS WRONG  with u?
[19:52] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: the drm removal tool I have seems to depend on adobe being able to read it lol
[19:53] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:    not sure on how drm works in epubs, but fyi, epubs are just .zip archives with an xml .ncf table of content files and mainly html files in it, pretty much like a .chm file, if you've ever opened/used a .chm file, which are more or less a tarball of html and pictures or videos or whatever else, rendered by the browser's UI
[19:53] <reza_sam> i shared my wifi to ethe 0 and in seccond pc i have ping but i cant open pages in brower or install o ipdate my linux :(( help plz
[19:53] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:    so.. if you change the .epub extension to .zip, it will open right up
[19:54] <\ni> jonathan_zz, are you trying to read stolen books? or?
[19:54] <jonathan_zz> millions of them
[19:54] <jonathan_zz> lol
[19:54] <lorddoskias> hello, i have installed ubuntu using debootstrap : sudo debootstrap wily osmount/ and then used that loop back device (that was mounted under osmount) to boot a virtual machine with qemu. All good, however when i try to install something with apt-get I get : E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[19:54] <lorddoskias> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[19:54] <lorddoskias> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[19:54] <lorddoskias> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:54] <lorddoskias>  
[19:54] <lorddoskias> even if i delete those lock files the next time i execute apt-get i get the same errr?
[19:54] <jonathan_zz> but right now just books I buy.
[19:54] <lorddoskias> I'm logged with root with no password
[19:57] <TJ-> lorddoskias: Check the QEMU --drive docs; I think you'll find it has defaulted to opening the image in read-only mode. Are you able - within the guest - to "touch /test.txt" ?
[19:57] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: adobe digital editions 3.0 doesn't start in Wine these days :p.
[19:57] <harduim> reza_sam, ???
[19:58] <lorddoskias> TJ-: yes i'm able, i'm also able to delete the files
[19:58] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: 4.0 doesn't start either same error I wonder what is wrong now.
[19:58] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:   ok.... I don't recall suggesting it though =)
[19:58] <TJ-> lorddoskias: is there a dpkg lock file ?
[19:58] <lorddoskias> TJ-: also i've mounted /dev/vda as rw
[19:58] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: I will have to get the drm off won't I smartypants ;-).
[19:58] <lorddoskias> there is indeed, which i remove and the next time i run apt comman i get the same error
[19:59] <V7> Hey there !
[19:59] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:     hmm well.... I haven't dealt with drm in epubs myself yet.... so
[19:59] <TJ-> lorddoskias: execute the apt command under control of strace see what is failing
[20:00] <lorddoskias> TJ-: the irony of it is that this is minimal ubuntu with almost no software and i don't have strace :(
[20:00] <baldpope> bbl
[20:00] <lorddoskias> i want to use apt-get to install software :)
[20:02] <ChunkzZ> can anyone explain what this does: "quiet splash acpi_osi=" it's the only way I can get my brightness working on my laptop....asus x501u
[20:02] <MonkeyDust> lorddoskias  i havent followed ... can you   sudo apt update ?
[20:03] <lorddoskias> root@fisk:~# apt update
[20:03] <lorddoskias> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[20:03] <lorddoskias> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[20:03] <lorddoskias> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[20:03] <lorddoskias> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[20:03] <TJ-> lorddoskias: the chroot; it was all in one block device? no crossing block devices under the chroot root?
[20:03] <lorddoskias> TJ-:  one block device, yes, a loopback image
[20:03] <MonkeyDust> lorddoskias  next time, use a !pastebin
[20:04] <lorddoskias> !pastebin
[20:04] <lorddoskias> will do
[20:04] <lorddoskias> so it seems that apt creates the lock, then checks for the lock and fails since it is there
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> lorddoskias  type this    sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[20:04] <lorddoskias> i don't have fuser, nor lsof :(
[20:05] <lorddoskias> that's a minimal ubuntu installation i guess, just whatever debootstrap brings
[20:05] <MonkeyDust> lorddoskias  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[20:05] <TJ-> lorddoskias: does the same thing happen if you work in the chroot, not the QEMU guest + loop device?
[20:06] <lorddoskias> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15697521/
[20:06] <lorddoskias> TJ-:  haven't really tested
[20:07] <lorddoskias> hm, should this \n \l be there?
[20:07] <TJ-> lorddoskias: did you mount /proc /sys /dev /run etc., into the chroot?
[20:07] <lorddoskias> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15697550/
[20:08] <TJ-> lorddoskias: is that inside the guest? I'm asking about the host itself
[20:10] <lorddoskias> yes, that's in the guest, and also the same is for the host
[20:10] <lorddoskias> but one thing is rather interesting - the guest has the same hostname as the host - fisk
[20:10] <TJ-> lorddoskias: I'm trying to establish if you may have left especially the host's /run/ tmpfs mounted to /osmount/run/ before creating the loop device,
[20:11] <lorddoskias> hmz
[20:11] <orob> hello threre
[20:11] <TJ-> lorddoskias: I can imagine that kind of conflict causing some 'interesting' side effects
[20:11] <lorddoskias> so what i did is - create a sparse file, mount it with mount -o loop, then run debootstrap using the directory where i mounted the loop file
[20:12] <lorddoskias> and then i unmounted and used the resulting image as a root for my qemu vm
[20:12] <TJ-> lorddoskias: OK, so you dind't mount the host's /proc /sys /dev /run into the chroot ?
[20:12] <lorddoskias> no
[20:12] <TJ-> lorddoskias: that rules that out then
[20:12] <lorddoskias> i used debootstrap so that i have the userspace
[20:13] <TJ-> lorddoskias: you'll need to return to the host+chroot access and add some diagnostic tooling I think
[20:13] <Sayona1> :(
[20:13] <Sayona1> blackscreen if i have nvidia installed
[20:13] <Sayona1> can anyone help me?
[20:13] <lorddoskias> TJ-: yeah.. and i just wanted to have some basic userspace :(
[20:14] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: drm removal successful lol
[20:14] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:  good =)
[20:15] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: I just installed some older version of Adobe DE and it worked.
[20:16] <Sayona1> nobady here ? is anyone how have problems with nvidia drivers? becouse I try a lot to fix the problem and no result
[20:16] <TJ-> lorddoskias: are you booting the QEMU guest from an external kernel/initrd image set?
[20:16] <lorddoskias> yes, i hve manually compiled my kernel
[20:16] <lorddoskias> essentially using kvmconfig + some custom stuff like cgroups and namespaces
[20:17] <TJ-> lorddoskias: any cgroup/ns stuff going on that might cause this?
[20:17] <lorddoskias> well i haven't really configured anything yet
[20:17] <TJ-> lorddoskias: also, check the guest's auth.log and syslog in case there's some apparmor interaction
[20:18] <lorddoskias> just whatever comes default with ubuntu
[20:18] <TJ-> lorddoskias: I thought that'd be the case but was worth asking
[20:18] <Rammus> Hello guys, can any one help  me debug system freeze? its kind of weird
[20:18] <Rammus> i am using ubuntu 14.04
[20:19] <Rammus> when i start multiple apps such as tor and android studio the system freeze
[20:19] <Rammus> it wont even respond to sysrq
[20:19] <Rammus> i have failed to replicate the problem by stressing the system
[20:19] <Rammus> i tried underclocking but no luck
[20:20] <Rammus> any thoughts?
[20:20] <Rammus> :'(
[20:20] <ChunkzZ> so much for patience....
[20:20] <Rammus> ?
[20:21] <ChunkzZ> can anyone explain what this does: "quiet splash acpi_osi=" it's the only way I can get my brightness working on my laptop....asus x501u
[20:21] <Rammus> 7
[20:21] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: acpi_osi=... sets an alternate OS identity for the Linux kernel to pass to the system's ACPI DSDT code, which usually enables more ACPI functionality since the DSDT thinks it's running with Windows
[20:22] <rob0> I think acpi_osi is a driver, and unsetting it means it will not load.
[20:22] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: the value is usually a Windows release, such as "acpit_osi=Windows 2013"
[20:22] <ChunkzZ> yeah but I don't get it, ... when nothing is in grub, brightness full...the battery stays the same...now added that to grub and it's low brightness and it's STILL the same?!
[20:22] <TJ-> rob0: no, it isn't a driver
[20:23] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: if all you have is literally acpi_osi=   that won't do anything to help; you need to give a valid string that the motherboard recognises
[20:23] <ChunkzZ> I don't know what to do :/
[20:24] <ChunkzZ> my laptop came with windows 8
[20:24] <ChunkzZ> does that make a difference?
[20:24] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: what is the actual problem the system is having
[20:25] <ChunkzZ> right, nothing edited in grub, screen brightness full....battery says 4 hours...acpi_osi= in grub and screen brightness 0% 4 hours....
[20:25] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, ^
[20:25] <Rammus> guys any help?
[20:26] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: you mean the predicted battery life remaining value?
[20:26] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: I would simply suggest you try to replicate the issue in a newer version (of Ubuntu) (using a newer kernel), not much else you can do.
[20:26] <ChunkzZ> both the same yes, with screen brightness full or 0%
[20:27] <Rammus> thank u :(
[20:27] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: but you're not assigning any *value* with acpi_osi=
[20:27] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: so, it won't change anything
[20:27] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: if everything is frozen there won't be any output in the log files right
[20:27] <ChunkzZ> yeah I don't know what to put sorry
[20:27] <ChunkzZ> my laptop came with windows 8
[20:27] <ChunkzZ> what do I need to put?
[20:28] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: you need to put in one of the strings the ACPI DSDT recognises
[20:28] <ChunkzZ> '!Windows 8' ?
[20:28] <Rammus> jonathan_zz: true
[20:28] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: you can discover them usually doing "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows' "
[20:29] <Rammus> i didnt have this problem when i had windows
[20:29] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: but if there was, I guess you'd have to check /var/log/messages or syslog for anything.
[20:29] <Rammus> already did nothing to mention
[20:30] <jonathan_zz> then personally I'd think there'd be little interest in troubleshooting a hardware freeze (kernel freeze?) in a much older kernel than what is current now.
[20:30] <TJ-> Rammus: how much RAM does the PC have?
[20:30] <jonathan_zz> the only thing you could attempt would be to selectively change hardware.
[20:31] <Rammus> actually the problem started after i installed a game
[20:31] <jonathan_zz> and/or run a memory test.
[20:31] <geny-evanice> oi
[20:31] <Rammus> memtest no luck
[20:31] <jonathan_zz> what game?
[20:31] <Rammus> Colobot
[20:32] <Rammus> in the official software center
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> !info colobot
[20:32] <Rammus> i removed the game but no luck
[20:32] <Rammus> i have 8 GB of ram
[20:32] <jonathan_zz> seems spurious.
[20:33] <jonathan_zz> I mean not related.
[20:33] <f00z00> Hi!
[20:33] <Rammus> mmm i just want to know if it is a hardware or software fault so i can decide what to do
[20:33] <jonathan_zz> and you are entirely sure everything stops responding, including network services? from another host
[20:34] <Rammus> any thoughts?
[20:34] <Rammus> haven't tried pinging my self really
[20:34] <f00z00> I got some files I need to execute a legacy app. Can I just copy them into the system-wide /lib directory, or is there something else I need to do?
[20:34] <jonathan_zz> because like I have an issue with a game where the entire screen stops redrawing but in fact the system still responds.
[20:34] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, I set it to windows 2012 but now I can't change the brightness?
[20:34] <Rammus> another thing the fan goes nuts after some seconds of the freeze
[20:34] <Rammus> like a jet engine
[20:35] <Rammus> but no over heating as far as i could check
[20:35] <jonathan_zz> see that would indicate either 100% CPU or...... a change in fan control.
[20:35] <Rammus> 50 C degrees stable
[20:35] <jonathan_zz> is it a pwm fan?
[20:35] <Rammus> the cpu would be less than 50% i installed a system monitor
[20:35] <Rammus> no no pwm
[20:36] <Rammus> who controls the fan ? the kernel or external hardware?
[20:36] <jonathan_zz> I have a system on which fan goes 100% at reboot but that is because the fan control app gets shut down and it resets the values to 100%.
[20:36] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: can you do "pastebinit <( cat /etc/default/grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg )"
[20:36] <jonathan_zz> in my case (debian system) it is a program.
[20:37] <Rammus> it must pwm fan to be controlled by a program right?
[20:37] <jonathan_zz> usually I don't know, PWM is not voltage control but you can have voltage control as well.....I guess??
[20:38] <Rammus> i don't lnow :(
[20:38] <Rammus> *know
[20:38] <ChunkzZ> give me a sec m8
[20:39] <pwca> hi, I tried to install RStudio but when I open it it's just blank.
[20:39] <jonathan_zz> in my case I installed a program that configures the speed and when it exists it annoyingly reverts to max values.
[20:39] <pwca> I get the menu in the top, but it doesn't *load*.
[20:39] <Rammus> ok i will try installing one and see if it works so i can continue troubleshooting
[20:40] <pwca> my version is: Ubuntu 15.10.
[20:40] <jonathan_zz> idk, better see if one is already installed? :P.
[20:40] <jonathan_zz> I think it is not worth the trouble, just upgrade to 16.04 you know. See if it helps.
[20:40] <pwca> I should upgrade to 16.04, jonathan_zz?
[20:41] <pwca> does R Studio work in 16.04?
[20:41] <jonathan_zz> I meant Rammus
[20:41] <pwca> I don't even think there's a Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 yet, jonathan_zz.
[20:41] <pwca> I mean, Ubuntu GNOME 16.04.
[20:41] <Rammus> /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
[20:42] <stevecam> hey, im looking at some dmesg messages, it is complaining about being unable to mount a partition, but i dont know why its trying to mount it in the first place, its not in my fstab
[20:42] <Rammus> uprgrading would be a pain
[20:42] <ChunkzZ> "pastebinit <( cat /etc/default/grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg )"
[20:42] <ChunkzZ> "pastebinit <( cat /etc/default/grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg )"
[20:43] <Rammus> btw can i shrink ext3 volume?
[20:43] <jonathan_zz> yes
[20:43] <stevecam> Rammus, yes
[20:43] <Rammus> thank you i will try dual boot then
[20:43] <Rammus> if it works on the second system i will migrate completly
[20:44] <stevecam> Rammus, there are tools for it with the generic filesystem tools in most distros sorry about the vagueness
[20:44] <Rammus> thank you for your time guys :)
[20:44] <ChunkzZ1> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15698346/
[20:44] <Rammus> Gparted
[20:44] <pwca> jonathan_zz: help
[20:44] <lorddoskias> TJ-: so it seems this one fails : fcntl(4, F_SETLK, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=0}) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[20:44] <Rammus> i know it but some file systems dont shrink so i thought i should ask
[20:44] <stevecam> Rammus, you will want to prepare the partition before resizing it
[20:44] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: resize2fs
[20:45] <Rammus> prepare?
[20:45] <pwca> stevecam: help
[20:45] <stevecam> Rammus, gparted deals with a disks geography, not its data, you need to move the data with resize2fs like jonathan_zz said
[20:45] <pwca> Z_God: hi.
[20:45] <stevecam> pwca yes?
[20:46] <Rammus> ah like defragment so they are at the start ?
[20:46] <jonathan_zz> some tools do both though
[20:46] <jonathan_zz> but you cannot resize your mounted root online, you can only increase its size, not shrink it
[20:46] <ChunkzZ1> any ideas?
[20:46] <TJ-> ChunkzZ1: that leading "!" has the effect of *removing* the string, not adding it. delete the "!" and regenerate "update-grub" and reboot
[20:46] <pwca> stevecam: I am attempting to launch R Studio in Ubuntu GNOME 15.10, but it's just blank. I get the top menu, but every rolldown menu is blank and so is the main window.
[20:47] <Rammus> live boot :)
[20:47] <Rammus> thanks alot
[20:47] <Saint_Philomena> Hello. :)
[20:47] <stevecam> jonathan_zz, you could technically resize a root filesystem that is mounted ro
[20:47] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: yeah. LVM tools will automatically use resize2fs if you resize a volume.
[20:47] <ChunkzZ1> gotta retsrart br
[20:47] <ChunkzZ1> brb
[20:47] <ChunkzZ1> retsrat]
[20:47] <ChunkzZ1> restart
[20:47] <ChunkzZ1> oops
[20:47] <Rammus> thanks again :D
[20:47] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: maybe gparted will also do that.
[20:47] <jonathan_zz> stevecam: ok
[20:47] <Rammus> it does
[20:48] <pwca> stevecam: I get this error when launching from terminal: "TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'window.desktopHooks.notifyRCrashed')"
[20:48] <stevecam> pwca, i dont use r studio sorry
[20:48] <pwca> stevecam: additionally: add chmod o+x /usr/bin/rstudio
[20:48] <stevecam> have you tried google
[20:48] <pwca> stevecam: I mean: QIODevice::read: device not open
[20:49] <pwca> stevecam: I don't see what use lolcats is to me at this point.
[20:50] <stevecam> pwca, i am afraid you might be asking the wrong person for help
[20:50] <pwca> stevecam: yes, I am afraid too.
[20:50] <stevecam> good luck
[20:51] <pwca> thank you.
[20:51] <stevecam> you're welcome, anytime
[20:53] <rjpj> hi
[20:53] <EriC^^> pwca: lolcat is always useful.
[20:54] <ouroumov_> Fuck me, spacex just landed the falcon 9 booster on a ship at sea.
[20:54] <EriC^^> always.
[20:54] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, brightness still not working mate
[20:55] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: how are you trying to change it? with keys, or via command-line tools?
[20:55] <ChunkzZ> fn keys
[20:56] <ChunkzZ> it says it's going up and down with fn keys but it's not changing
[20:56] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: well, it might just be a platform hot-keys issue, so try using the command-line first
[20:56] <ChunkzZ> ^ ;p
[20:57] <lorddoskias> TJ-: ok i got what the problem was - my custom kernel didn't have FILE_LOCKING enabled ergo the fcntl calls were failing
[20:57] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: also, have you tested with the kernel command-line paramater acpi_backlight=vendor
[20:58] <TJ-> lorddoskias: haha! you should have used one of the Ubuntu 'cloud' (virtual machine) kernel images
[20:58] <lorddoskias> TJ-: i'm going to be doing my own kernel development so that's why i need a custom kernel with minimal config
[21:00] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: to control the brightness from command-line, check the sysfs nodes available with "ls /sys/class/backlight/*/" and then read the current values with "for n in /sys/class/backlight/*/*; do [ -f $n ] && echo $n=$(cat $n); done"
[21:01] <maw83> ciao
[21:01] <maw83> !list
[21:01] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: finally, try writing a value to change it with echo $SOME_VALUE | sudo dd of=/sys/class/backlight/${DEVICE_NAME}/actual_brightness"
[21:01] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: lol I'm stuck anyway, my adobe version won't download epub files using .acsm
[21:01] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: replace those variables with your system's actual values of course
[21:04] <ChunkzZ> no outputs have backlight property TJ-
[21:04] <taurus_> Do Archive Manager can extract separated files like par1 and 2, when I extract appears error
[21:06] <adrian_1908> hello. Can anyone recommend an application to quickly create flow charts and the likes? Something like Blender's node editor, that's straight forward to use (drag&drop).
[21:06] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: do you mean there is no node under /sys/class/backlight/ ?
[21:07] <ChunkzZ> idk, I type xbacklight -set 0 and it says that
[21:08] <jonathan_zz> so I can't download any ebooks after all unless I install windows.
[21:09] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: I didn't say anything about using xbacklight! use the raw kernel nodes to discover if the driver can actual control it, and if not switch to the ACPI backlight vendor driver as I recommended earlier
[21:09] <Hetr0Erectus> jonathan_zz, download trough adobe? why not just download regulary and open in something like calibre
[21:10] <Hetr0Erectus> and you can do that in linux
[21:10] <Hetr0Erectus> calibre is actually pretty sweet for ebooks
[21:10] <jonathan_zz> well maybe because the book comes as .acsm and I do not have access to a direct download?
[21:10] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, how am i suppose to change it in terminal then?!
[21:11] <foo> [B/x
[21:11] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: I just have you the exact instructions for finding the nodes and trying to alter the value
[21:12] <ChunkzZ> you've lost me matey
[21:13] <ChunkzZ> i tried acpi backlight vendor with no luck
[21:14] <ChunkzZ> i give up
[21:14] <le_pig> :/
[21:23] <borogomsho> hi
[21:23] <borogomsho> How can I control my presentation (on my laptop) by Nokia 5130?
[21:23] <jonathan_zz> Hetr0Erectus: installing windows xp now lol
[21:23] <borogomsho> My Mobile model: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Nokia+5130+XpressMusic
[21:24] <borogomsho> can it be done by blutooth?
[21:24] <Hetr0Erectus> crap ... no solution if you google it? must be some DRM stuff.. linux has issues with that
[21:24] <Hetr0Erectus> open ebooks etc shouldnt be an issue though
[21:24] <jonathan_zz> Hetr0Erectus: apparently the ACSM file acquires the epub and locks it to your adobe ID
[21:25] <Hetr0Erectus> right.. DRM
[21:25] <Hetr0Erectus> :(
[21:25] <jonathan_zz> Hetr0Erectus: actually the ACSM itself gets locked to your id
[21:25] <jonathan_zz> upon first use
[21:25] <jonathan_zz> I can already remove the DRM using some Windows tools in Wine
[21:25] <jonathan_zz> but I cannot acquire the epub yet
[21:26] <Hetr0Erectus> :(
[21:26] <Hetr0Erectus> well allways nifty to have a virtualbox with a small win xp installation
[21:27] <jonathan_zz> yeah I'm doing that now
[21:27] <jonathan_zz> virtualbox is pretty easy to use
[21:28] <Hetr0Erectus> i had issues with DRM myself ... playing videos from state television or netflix... had to go chrome on linux to play it
[21:29] <Hetr0Erectus> maybe all linuxers could unite to develop some DRM software that sorts out this stuff
[21:29] <rumi> How can I boot to another kernel image ? I can't change initrd.img to link to an older kernel
[21:29] <pwca> I solved my problem earlier.
[21:30] <pwca> jonathan_zz stevecam  ^
[21:30] <Ben64> rumi: you pick a different kernel from grub
[21:30] <jonathan_zz> rumi: all kernels+initrd that are in /boot will get seen by update-grub and put into the config
[21:30] <Hetr0Erectus> linuxers and linux thorvalds himself should focus on this for linux
[21:30] <Hetr0Erectus> cause its a big issue
[21:31] <Guest92600> cant see mouse when using kodi anyone know how to solve this ?
[21:31] <Hetr0Erectus> nice with free software but when DRM pops up more and more, you need something to handle that
[21:31] <Hetr0Erectus> some closed software unit you put into the open source code for this purpose
[21:31] <jonathan_zz> it's more like Adobe doesn't care to allow ebook download on any other platform than the main ones
[21:31] <rumi> Ben64: should I change /etc/grub.d/10_linux ?
[21:31] <Hetr0Erectus> and with the community behind it, it should get softwaredevelopers that make this working for win have an easy time also making it work for linux
[21:31] <Ben64> rumi: no
[21:32] <Ben64> rumi: you should explain what you're doing and why, and what you're trying to accomplish
[21:32] <jonathan_zz> but many developers stay away from producing for linux because it is a lot harder.
[21:32] <Hetr0Erectus> jonathan_zz, thats why the linux community must unite
[21:32] <Hetr0Erectus> to stop this BS
[21:32] <jonathan_zz> they are too religious, just keep fighting among each other.
[21:33] <rumi> Ben64: My notebook's touchpad stopped working after a recent upgrade. I'd like to switch to an older kernel to see if the problem comes from there
[21:33] <Ben64> rumi: so just choose it from grub
[21:34] <rumi> Ben64: I don't have the grub selector when I start the machine
[21:34] <Ben64> rumi: then hit shift during boot to make it appear
[21:34] <Jordan_U> rumi: Hold shift at boot if it's a BIOS based machine or spam escape at boot if it's UEFI.
[21:34] <rumi> Ben64, thanks I'm trying that
[21:35] <jonathan_zz> rumi: also just check /boot/grub/grub.cfg or whatever if your kernel is in there
[21:35] <rumi> jonathan_zz, yes, I've got two kernels
[21:36] <jonathan_zz> (I don't get how the menu can even be hidden. I once tried to hide the menu and it never worked)
[21:38] <rumi> jonathan_zz: holding shift or spamming escape has no effect, the Lubuntu splash screen appears
[21:38] <squinty> jonathan_zz,  fwiw, calibre (in repo's) has a drm removal plugin and converting ebooks formats
[21:39] <jonathan_zz> rumi: grub2 is designed to be incomprehensible. I don't know. I always pressed <tab>
[21:39] <bekks> hi
[21:39] <bekks> is there some dedicated zsync channel, in case someone knows? :)
[21:39] <rumi> jonathan_zz, weird
[21:39] <Ben64> rumi: you can edit /etc/default/grub to change GRUB_TIMEOUT to a value like 10, then run "sudo update-grub" to make the change take effect
[21:39] <jonathan_zz> squinty: right
[21:40] <rumi> Ben64, let's try that (on a 11' screen with no touchpad)
[21:42] <rumi> Ben64, Hurray it works ! thanks :)
[21:47] <Alexshmalex> hi, I'm hoping someone could help me out
[21:47] <Bashing-om> !ask | Alexshmalex
[21:48] <jinette> hello everyone, I'd like to install gitlab on 15.10. but on their page only 14.04. is shown among the OS: https://about.gitlab.com/downloads/ can you help me know how to install it?
[21:48] <Alexshmalex> I just downloaded ubuntu 14.04 and it drops my wifi after a few minutes and I have to reboot to get a connection again
[21:49] <nacc> jinette: it says for 15.04 d/l manually. You could try that for 15.10. Or ask gitlab?
[21:50] <jinette> nacc, maybe as here: https://about.gitlab.com/installation/, with the mentioned Omnibus package
[21:51]  * tgm4883 wonders how this is a ubuntu issue
[21:51] <nacc> jinette: yes, click on it and shows you direct instructions for installing gitlab; but as i was trying to imply, you'd need to ask gitlab for support
[21:51] <jinette> maybe cause I am using ubuntu?
[21:51] <nacc> jinette: random software installation on ubuntu is not supported by ubuntu
[21:51] <thechanceg> lol
[21:51] <nacc> jinette: they quite clearly document what they support (14.04 and maybe 15.04). But that's a gitlab support statement, not an ubuntu one?
[21:52] <jinette> we're having an instant of not-so-friendly contingent of volunteers, it seems
[21:52] <tgm4883> nacc: well ubuntu doesn't support gitlab at all, so.....
[21:52] <tgm4883> err
[21:52] <tgm4883> jinette: well ubuntu doesn't support gitlab at all, so.....
[21:52] <nacc> tgm4883: ack
[21:53] <nacc> jinette: if you want to try, you can follow their published instructions; if you don't, then you don't. But either way, gitlab itself isn't supported here...
[21:54] <Alexshmalex> any takers? I tried the forum, and the codes didn't seem to work, it's amazing that I'm online right now
[21:54] <tgm4883> jinette: to put it another way, Warcraft 2 says it requires Windows 98. That doesn't mean you can call Microsoft to support it when you try to run it on Windows 10
[21:54] <jinette> with fancy argumentation you can respond any way you like. but there used to be real free software help here.
[21:54] <jinette> as long as it had to do with ubuntu
[21:54] <jinette> in some way
[21:55] <tgm4883> jinette: I don't believe that to be the case, but either way, have you tried #gitlab ?
[21:55] <thechanceg> there is nothing fancy about their argument. if this was the gitlab board the situation would be different.
[21:55] <cfhowlett> jinette, gitlab is responsible for gitlab.  ubuntu is not.  smarter to ask the experts, yes??
[21:55] <jinette> just curious, what do you not believe to be the cae, tgm4883?
[21:55] <jinette> case*
[21:56] <tgm4883> jinette: I don't believe we've ever had a policy of supporting ANYTHING as long as it was running on Ubuntu
[21:56] <cfhowlett> ^^ true ^^
[21:57] <jinette> I can paint any 'case' in the way that makes me sound right
[21:57] <jinette> but fine.
[21:57] <nacc> jinette: but, in any case, if you really wanted to, you could follow the instructions gitlab gave you?
[21:57] <jinette> I am done with this.
[21:57] <jinette> yes, I'll ask there
[21:57] <tgm4883> jinette: not with facts you cant.
[21:57] <\9> gitlab is not present in official ubuntu repositories, so what makes you think that ubuntu supports it?
[21:58] <jinette> I am not talking about that. how far can it be from ubuntu to ask whether anyone knows anything about how to install a more or less well-known online repo?
[21:58] <tgm4883> jinette: this is a volunteer channel. There's a bunch of stuff that IS in the repos that we can't really support
[21:58] <jinette> and I add that it used to be close enough to get an answer
[21:58] <cfhowlett> shall we all move on now??
[21:59] <jinette> yes, I was already about to.
[22:00] <tgm4883> jinette: look, here's the deal. Even if we wanted to help you with gitlab, we'd have to go read their site and try and figure out how to install it on 15.10. Something that A) you can do yourself, and B) Something that the people in #gitlab have a far better chance of already having done
[22:02] <jinette> tgm4883, I did that, of course, I can do that till I find something someplace on internet. but I am talking about that the attitude can be more permissive, and it used to be. it is a plain matter of attitude whether to say 'we are not tasked with this' or see if someone online can respond. the former blocks the latter straight away.
[22:03] <jinette> anyway. I go.
[22:03] <OneM_Industries> Ok, silly question. Short of opening my case up, how would I tell what motherboard I have in my machine?
[22:03] <nacc> OneM_Industries: dmidecode ?
[22:03]  * tgm4883 sighs
[22:04] <OneM_Industries> That is a lot of info...
[22:04] <nacc> OneM_Industries: yeah :) might want to | less and search for motherboard or so
[22:04] <nacc> OneM_Industries: at least, my laptop emits one
[22:04] <OneM_Industries> Yep, doing that now.
[22:05] <OneM_Industries> Bingo! Product Name: M5A78L-M/USB3
[22:05] <Alexshmalex> since I installed Ubuntu my computer keeps losing it's wifi signal after a few minutes and I have to reboot, over and over again
[22:05]  * tgm4883 sometimes wishes he was banned from this channel...
[22:06] <OneM_Industries> Oh?
[22:06] <OneM_Industries> How come?
[22:06] <tgm4883> OneM_Industries: some users just make me tired
[22:06] <OneM_Industries> Ah. I know that feeling.
[22:07] <OneM_Industries> Well, there is /quit. ;)
[22:07]  * tgm4883 gets tired when users straight up lie to me
[22:07] <rob0> I make myself tired!
[22:07] <nacc> Alexshmalex: what version of ubuntu? do you see any messages in `dmesg` about your wifi driver/device when it happens?
[22:07]  * tgm4883 goes back to puppetizing software
[22:08] <Alexshmalex> 14.04
[22:08] <jonathan_zz> OneM_Industries: asus mobo right
[22:08] <OneM_Industries> Yp.
[22:08] <thechanceg> you were absolutely right tgm4883. "Help, I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!"
[22:08] <OneM_Industries> Yep.
[22:08] <OneM_Industries> Whoops, I am an idiot.
[22:08] <jonathan_zz> amd 760g chipset?
[22:08] <OneM_Industries> I have all my RAM in one channel...leaving channel B completely unused.
[22:09] <Alexshmalex> nacc: it actually takes a couple of minutes to show that it's lost wifi
[22:09] <jonathan_zz> I might have the same mobo lol (in other machine)
[22:09] <OneM_Industries> I think so.
[22:09] <tgm4883> thechanceg: Yea, that and "I totally asked in the channel that you told me to" despite I've been in there for a year and never seen him and the channel is logged, and it has no record of him either
[22:10] <Alexshmalex> nacc: and I'll let you know an error message as soon as it happens again
[22:10] <OneM_Industries> jonathan_zz: Yep, AMD 760G+.
[22:10] <rob0> Entitlement will do that to you.  When you are entitled, you will demand.
[22:10] <thechanceg> tgm4883: how am I not surprised. Good on ya for trying anyway.
[22:10] <Ben64> tgm4883: some people love this channel so much, they want all their support to come from here
[22:10] <jonathan_zz> OneM_Industries: what cpu you have on it?
[22:11] <OneM_Industries> AMD FX 8350.
[22:11] <jonathan_zz> right 6300 here. Can't find the box lol.
[22:11] <OneM_Industries> Anyway, this is offtopic.
[22:11] <qwsdd> #math
[22:11] <jonathan_zz> call the army
[22:12] <OneM_Industries> I will be back in a bit, going to reorganize the memory to use both channels...
[22:14] <HetroErectus> what moderatly priced video card with descent 3d graphics for an old amd x4 3.2 ghz 955 would you guys suggest?
[22:14] <HetroErectus> that runs nice on linux
[22:15] <HetroErectus> got an amd 5870 but its lagging behind
[22:15] <HetroErectus> processor is ok
[22:15] <HetroErectus> ehh.. ati 5870
[22:16] <jonathan_zz> HetroErectus: finally I have the book downloaded.... used old sp2 ISO,.... barely any SSL site worked in installed internet explorer..... first had to install old version of firefox, then .NET 3.5, before that Windows Installer 1.3 or 3.1, then I could install Adobe 3.0
[22:17] <HetroErectus> ahh wine?
[22:17] <jonathan_zz> no virtualbox windows xp sp2
[22:17] <carlos> hola
[22:17] <Ben64> HetroErectus: nvidia is way better supported in linux currently
[22:19] <Techspectre> HetroErectus, you can get a GTX-670 for like 100 bucks now. Mine runs most games at highest quality settings
[22:19] <HetroErectus> ben64: is has for a while i think.. somewhere i read the opposite tho
[22:19] <HetroErectus> ah nice.. thats a step up from radeon 5870 i figure
[22:19] <wad> I just build a brand new computer. The video card has VGA, DVI, and HDMI. I plugged in two monitors, one to the DVI and the other to HDMI. But Ubuntu 14.04 LTS only sees the DVI one. Ideas?
[22:20] <Techspectre> So what does it mean when editing your evdev.conf file doesn't work, but setting xinput --set-prop does?
[22:20] <HetroErectus> Techspectre, seems its the same performance ... 5870 being a tad slower
[22:21] <HetroErectus> i was comparing it to the new gpu's running like $2-300 in terms of bitcoin mining and the difference were massive
[22:21] <wad> I haven't tried anything with video drivers yet. Maybe I should mess with that stuff.
[22:21] <HetroErectus> like 1/20th of the performance
[22:21] <psyguy> hey all, sorry to interrupt. i have a simple linux question if anyone is willing to help me? i have an auto mounted usb device owned by root and i am trying to share it with samba for a different user however i seem to be getting a permission error when i attempt to login to access that share from my windows pc. is there any way to enable access for my samba user to the root-owned mount?
[22:21] <wad> lspci shows: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 420] (rev a1)
[22:21] <HetroErectus> my cpu processor though is like 1/2-1/3 the performance of newer ones
[22:21] <HetroErectus> so the big leap has been on gpu's.. thats why i was thinking about replacing it
[22:22] <uatec> so I was asking here before, but didn't manage to get it working...
[22:22] <uatec> i have a clean install of 15.10 and did the auto update as soon as I logged on for the first time
[22:22] <wad> psyguy, have you tried things like "sudo chown me:me /dev/whatever-my-usb-is" ?
[22:22] <HetroErectus> would be nice to in games root out the gpu bottleneck with an upgrade, im thinking
[22:23] <uatec> ever since then, when I logon, unity doesn't load, it just gives me my wallpaper, but no icons, or menu bar or even window manager (some text editor randomly opens up with no handles around the edges)
[22:23] <lbracher> Hi there! I have an wifi AP here with a repeater. They have different SSIDs and I would like to connect to the strongest AP when wake from suspended status. Do you know if this is possible? Thanks in advance!
[22:23] <HetroErectus> other than that, my faithful old desktop from 2008 runs fine
[22:23] <DrManhattan> HetroErectus, what's your current GPU?
[22:23] <HetroErectus> radeon 5870
[22:23] <psyguy> wad, yes i have. me:me turns it into root:me and ive also done chmod 777 -R with no luck
[22:23] <HetroErectus> cpu is amd x4 3.2ghz (955 model)
[22:23] <DrManhattan> HetroErectus, I just scrolled up
[22:23] <uatec> removing my ~/.config worked a couple of times, but now even that stopped working, so it can't have been directly related to that
[22:23] <uatec> has anybody seen that kind of problem before and fixed it?
[22:24] <HetroErectus> i dont bother throwing away something that works fine.. like my cpu, ram etc
[22:24] <denis_> hi
[22:24] <wad> psyguy, that's the end of my usefulness. Sorry. :(
[22:24] <DrManhattan> HetroErectus, are you hoping to game on that setup?
[22:25] <HetroErectus> drmanhattan: yea.. not much, but run things like BF4
[22:26] <HetroErectus> and pref have descent powerconsumption and good compatibility with linux
[22:26] <uatec> woah, i just blew away my ~/.config file, and now the Unity UI and desktop icons keep flickering in and out :|
[22:26] <uatec> it looks like unity is crashing repeatedly
[22:27] <DrManhattan> HetroErectus, if you get an AMD card, you can use the MANTLE Api on BF4 and you won't get bottlenecked by CPU.
[22:27] <uatec> according to my .xsession-errors file it's being killed by a SEGV
[22:27] <HetroErectus> i figured out this doing a VR-test on steam :)
[22:27] <DrManhattan> HetroErectus, you can get a really good deal on an r290x
[22:27] <HetroErectus> my cpu will work ... but the gpu wont
[22:28] <HetroErectus> yeah.. i know directx12 now can make use of 2 videocards
[22:28] <HetroErectus> even different types
[22:28] <katie1231> anyone else having issues with Ubuntu 15.10 install screen locking up?
[22:29] <katie1231> I verified the checksum and made sure there were no errors on my live usb
[22:29] <HetroErectus> but i question the gpu performance under linux .. cause currenty the gpu fan is working hard i can hear
[22:29] <HetroErectus> and again that was a radeon card
[22:30] <HetroErectus> seems to be an issue with drivers
[22:32] <Ope> yea iam having the same problem... but iam trying to figure it out.. google is exelent
[22:32] <HetroErectus> amazingly radeon 5870's are still for sale.. LOL! mines what.. 8 years now? or did i install it during my upgrade 6 years ago? i bought mine when it was new
[22:32] <HetroErectus> things must have halted bigtime on desktop hardware
[22:32] <Ope> damn...
[22:32] <jonathan_zz> lbracher: I don't think it is but by all means ask around in any networkmanager channel or list
[22:32] <jonathan_zz> lbracher: #nm for instance
[22:33] <lbracher> jonathan_zz, thank you! :)
[22:33] <jonathan_zz> lbracher: mailinglist is https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
[22:34] <lbracher> (y)
[22:34] <Alexshmalex> nacc: ok, it's doing it. it still shows I have a wifi connection but it won't connect, what am I looking for?
[22:34] <jonathan_zz> katie1231: I used kubuntu installer but I had no issues.
[22:35] <katie1231> hmm alright. I might do that then. Or just install debian.
[22:35] <nacc> Alexshmalex: if you can just pastebin your dmesg that'd be fine
[22:35] <nacc> Alexshmalex: what driver does your wifi use, do you know?
[22:35] <jonathan_zz> katie1231: but you didn't mention what kind of lock up or at what place
[22:35] <Alexshmalex> I don't  I'm sorry
[22:35] <nacc> Alexshmalex: np, dmesg will probably tell us
[22:35] <Alexshmalex> and I'm not sure what that is
[22:35] <katie1231> it locks up at the hard drive partitioning screen
[22:36] <jonathan_zz> katie1231: while loading? or as you do something.
[22:36] <nacc> Alexshmalex: just run `dmesg` and pastebin the output; either using pastebinit or c&p
[22:36] <katie1231> I set up all my partitions and confirm and say install and then it just does nothing.
[22:37] <jonathan_zz> does it freeze that point or still operational but you just cannot proceed
[22:37] <katie1231> freezes.
[22:38] <jonathan_zz> so if you have a shell open at that point, can you still use it or is the entire system dead?
[22:38] <Alexshmalex> nacc: ok, I did that and it gave me a ton of information, but I can't copy and paste from my laptop to my phone, is there something specific I can look for?
[22:39] <katie1231> I can still use it. Honestly looks like the live installer is borked.
[22:39] <nacc> Alexshmalex: does `lspci` provide you any hint as to what your wifi device is?
[22:39] <jonathan_zz> well not the first time I've heard it mention..
[22:39] <jonathan_zz> someone reported it about the kubuntu 16.10 installer.
[22:39] <jonathan_zz> 16.04*
[22:40] <katie1231> interesting. alright. I'll go with a debian install then
[22:40] <jonathan_zz> you can also try ubuntu-server and then install your desktop after
[22:40] <Alexshmalex> nacc: it's a comcast wifi router :\
[22:40] <jonathan_zz> ubuntu-server has a text-mode installer the way debian does.
[22:40] <katie1231> thats a good idea i may do that
[22:41] <katie1231> sweet.
[22:41] <freek_> So autofs hates me, sshfs works perfectly but autofs won't mount
[22:41] <Ope> sec is it ur hds thats freezing??
[22:41] <nacc> Alexshmalex: you mean the issue is your router? or just that you have a comcast wifi router?
[22:41] <Alexshmalex> nacc: network controller: realtek semiconductor
[22:42] <Alexshmalex> nacc: no, not the router
[22:42] <nacc> Alexshmalex: so try `dmesg | grep rtl` and see if any obvious errors are indicated
[22:48] <pyfoo> Has anyone installed GTA V on ubuntu?
[22:49] <xreal> How can I read ubunut's settings for CXX etc. ?
[22:49] <hassoon> cxx ? what's that
[22:50] <Alexshmalex> nacc: ok, sorry, took a minute to find the | key on my laptop, because I'm stupid. it shows a lot of text but nothing that says error. I wish we could send a picture
[22:50] <nacc> Alexshmalex: people have in the past using various webservices, it's not ideal, though
[22:50] <xreal> dpkg-buildflags --get CXXFLAGS
[22:50] <xreal> thanks for help
[22:51] <nacc> Alexshmalex: would you be able to `dmesg > log` and then reboot, and then pastebin the log file before your wifi dies?
[22:52] <Alexshmalex> won't it erase what I've copied when I reboot?
[22:53] <nacc> Alexshmalex: you're saving the output of dmesg to a file
[22:53] <nacc> Alexshmalex: i assume this is a persistent system with a hard drive
[22:54] <Alexshmalex> yes, sorry, learning curve. I rebooted but just copied it, not to a file
[22:54] <nacc> Alexshmalex: it's ok :)
[22:59] <maddawg2> question... i tried to start a service that listens on port 10000 and it fails because it says something is already using that port
[22:59] <maddawg2> what is the best way to view what is using port 10000 currently
[22:59] <maddawg2> something with netstat i think not sure the best syntax tho
[23:04] <alexshmalex> nacc: this is a lot of text
[23:05] <alexshmalex> nacc:  should i really just copy and paste this?
[23:05] <EriC^^> alexshmalex: use a pastebin
[23:05] <EriC^^> paste.ubuntu.com
[23:06] <EriC^^> or cat /log | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:06] <karex> Is there Arabic speaking person here? Which unicode characters are used as comma and dot (full stop) in Arabic language?
[23:06] <alexshmalex> ok, I pasted it as alexshmalex
[23:07] <EriC^^> alexshmalex: we need a link
[23:07] <karex> I found it is different between Arabic keyboard layout and Arabic Buckwalter layout...
[23:07] <alexshmalex> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15700585/
[23:07] <EriC^^> nacc: ^
[23:08] <alexshmalex> thank you both for your patience
[23:08] <alexshmalex> Eric^^: nacc: learning new terminology
[23:11] <EriC^^> alexshmalex: what's the problem you're having?
[23:12] <Alexshmalex1975> EriC^^: my wifi keeps dropping and I have to reboot, only happening on my laptop that I just installed Ubuntu 14.04
[23:24] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: alexshmalex: apologies, had stepped away, looking ati tnow
[23:24] <nacc> maddawg2: netstat -pan
[23:24] <nacc> maddawg2: although you'll need to be root for that, iirc
[23:25] <maddawg2> i ended up figuring it out actually
[23:25] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: thank you
[23:25] <maddawg2> lsof was much better
[23:25] <maddawg2> but thanks nacc
[23:26] <nacc> maddawg2: np
[23:26] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: hrm, this is a bit odd
[23:26] <nacc> "wlan0: deauthenticating from 3c:7a:8a:4b:f5:9a by local choice (Reason: 2=PREV_AUTH_NOT_VALID)"
[23:27] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: are you using network manager (the little applet in the taskbar)?
[23:27] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: do you happen to have multiple APs?
[23:28] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: my router uses two different signals, but my laptop can only find one
[23:29] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: wifi addresses
[23:29] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: are they named the same?
[23:29] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: ESSID, wise, i mean
[23:29] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: off by a letter
[23:29] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: ok ... one prior bug (with a different driver) mentions
[23:30] <nacc> "reason 2 -- PREV_AUTH_NOT_VALID -- previous authentication for the AP roamed *from* can't be reused. It may be on a different channel, etc."
[23:30] <nacc> which might mean it's bouncing between the two aggressively
[23:30] <tonyt> can someone help me out? trying to install nvidia-current from the ubuntu software center but it wont go through cause im getting an error "requires instalation of untrusted packages. this requires instaling packages from unauthentic sources". is there some option i can change to allow it to go through? and where would the option be located?
[23:30] <Alexshmalex1975> even if it can only find one?
[23:31] <nicomachus> guys halppp. I'm trying to record my desktop with internal audio, and can't get the internal audio working on any programs I try. And external audio sounds terrible.
[23:31] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: possibly, not sure -- what kind of laptop is this?
[23:32] <jonathan_zz> tonyt: I don't know tony, I would just try to "apt install nvidia-whatever"
[23:32] <Alexshmalex1975> Toshiba satellite
[23:32] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: i only ask because googling around implies this is a well-known problem with the realtek devices in some lenovo machines
[23:32] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: ok
[23:32] <tonyt> well i tried that also. jonathan with a no go
[23:32] <tonyt> im on 14.10
[23:32] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2239932 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2242033
[23:32] <nicomachus> tonyt: 14.10?
[23:32] <nacc> tonyt: 14.10 is dead
[23:32] <tonyt> seems where ever its trying to download it from its dead
[23:32] <tonyt> ok
[23:33] <nacc> !eol | tonyt
[23:33] <nacc> tonyt: you want to be on 14.04 or 15.10 right now
[23:33] <tonyt> ok
[23:33] <nicomachus> or 16.04, if you're feeling adventurous.
[23:33] <tonyt> is there a way to upgrade to 15.10 from 14.10?
[23:33] <Ope> dist upgrade
[23:34] <nicomachus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[23:34] <nicomachus> it's not that simple, Ope
[23:34] <tonyt> ope can you tell me the the cli command?
[23:34] <nicomachus> if only.
[23:34] <nicomachus> tonyt: follow the instructions in the link.
[23:34] <tonyt> ok thanks nic. ill have a lok see
[23:34] <trevor_s> is ubuntu 15 going to be LTS?
[23:34] <tonyt> *look
[23:34] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: sorry if i missed it, are you using network manager?
[23:34] <nacc> trevor_s: 16.04
[23:34] <nacc> trevor_s: LTS is every 2 years
[23:34] <trevor_s> wondering if i should install that for client instead of 14
[23:35] <Rhorse> trevor_s: the next LTS is 16.04 afaik
[23:35] <nacc> trevor_s: but 16.04 is not out yet (apr. 21, iirc)
[23:35] <jonathan_zz> when its out all packages upgrade anyway to it.
[23:35] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: it seems like sometimes it has to do with roaming between bssid's and you can manually bind it in the AP
[23:35] <Rhorse> I think it uses 4.4x
[23:35] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: the wifi emblem? yes
[23:36] <jonathan_zz> personally I would recommend 16.04, at least for kubuntu
[23:36] <nacc> jonathan_zz: well, yeah, if you're on 16.04 pre-release already
[23:37] <jonathan_zz> I can't remember having had a single issue on 16.04 currently except a few rare plasma crashes and a few dolphin crashes at entering the configuration dialog..... nothing else that comes to mind.
[23:37] <Rhorse> Hopefully the upgrade will go smoothly from Wiley....
[23:37] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: ok, there might be some hints, if it happens again, in /var/log/syslog (might need to grep for NetworkManager)
[23:38] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: ok
[23:38] <trevor_s> what browswer do you guys use for ubuntu?
[23:39] <trevor_s> looking for secure ones
[23:39] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: you could try the suggestion here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/425583/ubuntu-connect-drops-worked-for-a-while-then-started-dropping-again/425617#425617
[23:39] <jonathan_zz> I use opera for kubuntu
[23:39] <jonathan_zz> would probably use the same for ubuntu just for the sake of the bookmarks sync etc.
[23:39] <Surlent777> hello; has anyone else run into the issue where pulseaudio frantically swaps between different ports for no discernable reason, resulting in choppy audio? Any suggestions?
[23:40] <Hydr0p0nX> how does automount decide what filesystem type to use when mounting? it seems to be trying to use UDF for any disk put in the drive
[23:40] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: presuming you're up with wifi right now, can you pastebin `iwlist scan`. feel free to PM me if you want
[23:41] <jonathan_zz> Hydr0p0nX: you mean ISOblabla dvds are not getting mounted correctly?
[23:42] <Rhorse> Alexshmalex1975: you might try using wpa_supplicant instead. Sometimes it's a more robust client....
[23:42] <Hydr0p0nX> jonathan_zz: not getting mount automatically, I can manually run mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/dvd and it work
[23:42] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: paste.ubuntu.com/15700944
[23:43] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: which essid is yours?
[23:44] <jonathan_zz> Hydr0p0nX: ok I know for sure I have an ISO9660 disc that got mounted just fine.
[23:44] <Alexshmalex1975> e136
[23:44] <macskay_> hi guys im trying to setup git with http and use apache2, but when firing up the apache2 it tells me PATH_INFO is not set. How would I set that?
[23:45] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: my wifi name?
[23:45] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: yeah ... i don't see "e136" in the paste you provided
[23:45] <Hydr0p0nX> ok, looking at this dvd, it's actually reporting UDF when I mount it manually
[23:46] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: either do I, but that's what I'm connected to
[23:46] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: that paste appears to have gotten cut off (it starts in the middle of a line)
[23:47] <trevor_s> dare i run the software updater after a fresh install?
[23:47] <trevor_s> or will it likely break things
[23:48] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: no, that's it exactly
[23:50] <happyfr0gg> Does anyone know of a DRM removal tool for Linux? Something similar to AimerSoft's DRM Media Converter?
[23:50] <Surlent777> trevor_s: unless you intend to live with an unpatched system you'll have to update eventually
[23:51] <nacc> AlexPortable: it's missing, e.g., "<interface name> Scan completed:"
[23:51] <nacc> AlexPortable: sorry
[23:52] <igor> anything send  me link to download the chrome 32bits?
[23:52] <bekks> igor: Google discontinued 32bit Chrome.
[23:52] <igor> yes i know
[23:53] <bekks> ´So you know there is no 32bit Chrome anymore.
[23:53] <nacc> alexshmalex: --^ it's missing, e.g., "<interface name> Scan completed:"
[23:53] <igor> Chromium is good?
[23:53] <squinty> happyfr0gg,  might want to check out calibre as there is a drm removal plugin for it
[23:54] <bekks> igor: Chromium isnt Chrome.
[23:54] <Surlent777> bekks: it's Chrome without the pepper flash and branding, isn't it?
[23:54] <bekks> Surlent777: I'm not caring about Chromium actually. :)
[23:55] <Jordan_U> Hydr0p0nX: What exactly happens when you try letting automount do the job? Is there any error message?
[23:55] <happyfr0gg> squinty - thanks. Does it include a video conversion plugin as well?
[23:55] <bekks> Surlent777: For me, Chromium is Chrome without all the things I choose to use Chrome :)
[23:55] <igor> TKS bekks
[23:57] <bazhang> !info calibre | happyfr0gg
[23:57] <squinty> happyfr0gg, oh sorry thought you were asking about ebooks/drm   calibre is a ebook library software
[23:57] <bazhang> e-book converter only happyfr0gg
[23:57] <leosan19> boa noite
[23:58] <Surlent777> bekks: granted, but in this spirit of his question, it is essentially an unbranded Chrome, which is important to note
[23:58] <leosan19> hello
[23:58] <bekks> Surlent777: It is a crippled Chrome without everything I use Chrome for.