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| studio-user093 | hi? | 15:49 |
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| Guest56632 | Hi, I have a few questions. | 15:56 |
| Guest56632 | For the case of not using PPA, the software would be in the repository when they are ready | 15:57 |
| Guest56632 | Now, for a very similar situation, the newer kernel would be in the repository when it is ready correct? | 15:59 |
| krytarik | !latest | Guest56632 | 16:00 |
| ubottu | Guest56632: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa. | 16:00 |
| Guest56632 | Should you use the command "apt-get dist-upgrade" regularly, however? | 16:02 |
| Guest56632 | Such command would install the newer kernel. | 16:02 |
| zequence | Guest56632: dist-upgrade will also remove previous stuff, while upgrade is gentler | 16:03 |
| zequence | I believe if you do an update using the GUI tool, it is similar to dist-upgrade | 16:03 |
| Guest56632 | I see. | 16:03 |
| zequence | I always use dist-upgrade | 16:03 |
| Guest56632 | Ubuntu recommends that you should update your kernel right? | 16:04 |
| zequence | Guest56632: Of course | 16:05 |
| Guest56632 | and by doing so, the software in ubuntu's repository should also work with such kerneal. | 16:05 |
| zequence | Every three weeks you get an update for the kernel. Sometimes more often, if there is something more critical | 16:05 |
| Guest56632 | I see. | 16:05 |
| zequence | If you didn't add any PPA's that include a kernel, you will be getting the Ubuntu kernel each time | 16:06 |
| zequence | both linux-generic and linux-lowlatency are Ubuntu kernels | 16:06 |
| zequence | Ubuntu Studio shares the same repositories with all of the official UBuntu flavors | 16:06 |
| Guest56632 | I myself does not like ppa. However, I do trust ones from playonlinux and google chrome. | 16:06 |
| zequence | It's a nice way to add stuff to your system, but sometimes it can get messy | 16:07 |
| Guest56632 | I have tried using a lot of ppa in the past, and yes, it is really messy. | 16:07 |
| Guest56632 | I also tried adding ppa for vlc, but the newer vlc would have the sound broken when watching movie. | 16:08 |
| Guest56632 | Do you know why? I keep thinking that because of kernel. | 16:09 |
| zequence | sound is probably due to the kernel, yes. Or at least the ALSA portion of it | 16:10 |
| zequence | Friday dinner time. Catch you later! | 16:10 |
| Guest56632 | Thank you. | 16:10 |
| Guest56632 | Last question, would Ubuntu Studio 16.04 be really excited? | 16:12 |
| Guest56632 | It is the next LTS, so I am super excited, but how about everyone here? | 16:13 |
| Guest56632 | Can you let me know the list of changes? | 16:13 |
| Guest56632 | I tried youtube review, but I could not get so much review in English. | 16:14 |
| krytarik | Guest56632: Just expect the upcoming Ubuntu Studio version to be really awesome. :P | 16:29 |
| Guest56632 | I see. | 16:30 |
| Guest56632 | Cool. | 16:31 |
| zequence | Guest56632: Mostly updated applications and some new artwork. More closer to Xubuntu in the desktop setup | 16:41 |
| zequence | Not much else this time around :) | 16:41 |
| zequence | Many of the applications have some good updates in themselves, like ardour, kdenlive, etc | 16:42 |
| Guest56632 | Thank you. See you around. | 16:48 |
| tn | Hello folks. I'm trying to put together a system that would have been pretty sweet in 2006, having a bit of firewire/ffado trouble | 19:56 |
| zequence | tn: What's not working for you? | 20:35 |
| tn | Not sure really. I've finally got the udev rule working so that /dev/fw0 is owned by audio, and now I can start ffado-dbus-server | 20:38 |
| tn | but jack fails with dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoServer: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-nkr6CCtP58: Connection refused | 20:38 |
| tn | background context: this is a 32-bit Intel Mac Mini, using the builtin Firewire to connect to a Behringer FCA-202 DAC | 20:39 |
| zequence | tn: You don't need any of that | 20:45 |
| zequence | tn: If your device is supported by ffado, things are already set | 20:45 |
| zequence | Only in the past did you have to do that sort of stuff | 20:45 |
| tn | ok but without that it was violently refusing to start | 20:46 |
| zequence | I | 20:46 |
| zequence | Never mind | 20:46 |
| zequence | Check the file /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules | 20:46 |
| zequence | That's where the devices are given privilege | 20:46 |
| zequence | to audio group | 20:47 |
| zequence | tn: I'm pretty sure your problem was not with rights, but rather with something else. But, I could be wrong | 20:48 |
| tn | yeah, that wasn't there until I made it, I copied it from https://raw.githubusercontent.com/adiknoth/ffado/master/libffado/libffado/60-ffado.rules | 20:48 |
| zequence | tn: Which distro are you on? | 20:48 |
| zequence | It comes with the package libffado2 | 20:49 |
| zequence | ..which you would have just by installing jackd | 20:49 |
| tn | Ubuntu Studio 15.10, added the KXStudio repos | 20:49 |
| zequence | Ok, so you should have it then | 20:49 |
| zequence | I'm telling you. You're complicating the whole thing | 20:49 |
| tn | well you know, if at first you don't succeed, fling poo until something sticks | 20:50 |
| zequence | Not sure how though | 20:50 |
| tn | This was (last night) a pristine install, and it threw out a bunch of red errors when starting jack | 20:50 |
| zequence | If you run a live ISO of Ubuntu Studio, the firewire stuff should work out of the box, unless the device is not supported by FFADO | 20:51 |
| zequence | Just by starting jack, it should work | 20:51 |
| tn | yeah, that's the mystery. I got the old Mini to replace a horrible old HP, but the DAC worked on the old machine. I'd suspect the internal firewire on the Mini, but it shows up fine on lspci | 20:52 |
| zequence | Well, as long as it's a decent firewire chip. I've heard about bad ones not working | 20:53 |
| zequence | I've only ever had one kind, which works, so | 20:53 |
| zequence | I have a Focusrite Sapphire Pro 40, which I use in my studio | 20:53 |
| zequence | I just plug it in, and it works. | 20:53 |
| zequence | Nowadays, you even have ALSA support for a bunch of firewire devices | 20:54 |
| tn | Must be nice :/ so no other troubleshooting tips? I can run, like whatever | 20:54 |
| zequence | Mine doesn't have that, though | 20:54 |
| zequence | If it is supported by FFADO, then it should work. If not, report a bug | 20:54 |
| zequence | And, try a live ISO first, to make sure. Just in case | 20:55 |
| zequence | To report a bug, get a launchpad account, at http://launchpad.net, then in a terminal do: ubuntu-bug <packagename> | 20:55 |
| zequence | in your case, perhaps libffado2 | 20:55 |
| tn | Heh, do you have any idea how *slow* an original Mac mini is running off a DVD | 20:55 |
| zequence | Try a USB stick | 20:56 |
| tn | but yeah, when I get home I'll give it a try | 20:56 |
| zequence | sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdb | 20:56 |
| tn | oh no, Mini HATES booting from USB, we have tried that | 20:56 |
| zequence | (if sdb is your usb stick) | 20:56 |
| zequence | I haven't tried that device myself on Linux, so I have no clue | 20:57 |
| zequence | But, again, if FFADO supports it, it should work. Otherwise, you need drivers and for that you need either code them or find them | 20:58 |
| zequence | You could try the latest ISO, if you like. The xenial one | 20:58 |
| zequence | at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current | 20:58 |
| zequence | Will be out in a couple of weeks | 20:58 |
| zequence | Latest kernel, and ffado | 20:59 |
| tn | I was actually considering going back in time, since most of the web pages I'm finding that relate to this hardware are from around 2010 | 20:59 |
| zequence | If your device works on an older release, but not a newer one, please do report a bug | 21:00 |
| zequence | You could try the trusty release | 21:00 |
| zequence | Think the kernel is the old one http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/trusty/dvd/current/ | 21:01 |
| tn | yeah, will do. Doesn't simplify things that there are two versions each of ffado, jack, and firewire to try various combinations of | 21:01 |
| zequence | vanilla backports the kernel for each point release | 21:01 |
| zequence | tn: Well, it's mostly ffado and the kernel you need to worry about, and not much changes usually on those regarding to a specific device | 21:02 |
| zequence | According to ffado the device has full support | 21:03 |
| zequence | Since 2007 | 21:03 |
| tn | hm | 21:04 |
| zequence | http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/54 | 21:04 |
| tn | Just occurred to me maybe it's a power thing (reading this page: https://sourceforge.net/p/ffado/mailman/message/29203027/) | 21:05 |
| tn | the DAC does have external power, but I never plugged it in since it also can take power from the firewire. Butperhaops it takes more than the Mini is willing to supply...? | 21:06 |
| zequence | NO idea, but worth a try, i guess | 21:06 |
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