[15:49] <studio-user093> hi?
[15:56] <Guest56632> Hi, I have a few questions.
[15:57] <Guest56632> For the case of not using PPA, the software would be in the repository when they are ready
[15:59] <Guest56632> Now, for a very similar situation, the newer kernel would be in the repository when it is ready correct?
[16:00] <krytarik> !latest | Guest56632
[16:02] <Guest56632> Should you use the command "apt-get dist-upgrade" regularly, however?
[16:02] <Guest56632> Such command would install the newer kernel.
[16:03] <zequence> Guest56632: dist-upgrade will also remove previous stuff, while upgrade is gentler
[16:03] <zequence> I believe if you do an update using the GUI tool, it is similar to dist-upgrade
[16:03] <Guest56632> I see.
[16:03] <zequence> I always use dist-upgrade
[16:04] <Guest56632> Ubuntu recommends that you should update your kernel right?
[16:05] <zequence> Guest56632: Of course
[16:05] <Guest56632> and by doing so, the software in ubuntu's repository should also work with such kerneal.
[16:05] <zequence> Every three weeks you get an update for the kernel. Sometimes more often, if there is something more critical
[16:05] <Guest56632> I see.
[16:06] <zequence> If you didn't add any PPA's that include a kernel, you will be getting the Ubuntu kernel each time
[16:06] <zequence> both linux-generic and linux-lowlatency are Ubuntu kernels
[16:06] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio shares the same repositories with all of the official UBuntu flavors
[16:06] <Guest56632> I myself does not like ppa. However, I do trust ones from playonlinux and google chrome.
[16:07] <zequence> It's a nice way to add stuff to your system, but sometimes it can get messy
[16:07] <Guest56632> I have tried using a lot of ppa in the past, and yes, it is really messy.
[16:08] <Guest56632> I also tried adding ppa for vlc, but the newer vlc would have the sound broken when watching movie.
[16:09] <Guest56632> Do you know why? I keep thinking that because of kernel.
[16:10] <zequence> sound is probably due to the kernel, yes. Or at least the ALSA portion of it
[16:10] <zequence> Friday dinner time. Catch you later!
[16:10] <Guest56632> Thank you.
[16:12] <Guest56632> Last question, would Ubuntu Studio 16.04 be really excited?
[16:13] <Guest56632> It is the next LTS, so I am super excited, but how about everyone here?
[16:13] <Guest56632> Can you let me know the list of changes?
[16:14] <Guest56632> I tried youtube review, but I could not get so much review in English.
[16:29] <krytarik> Guest56632: Just expect the upcoming Ubuntu Studio version to be really awesome. :P
[16:30] <Guest56632> I see.
[16:31] <Guest56632> Cool.
[16:41] <zequence> Guest56632: Mostly updated applications and some new artwork. More closer to Xubuntu in the desktop setup
[16:41] <zequence> Not much else this time around :)
[16:42] <zequence> Many of the applications have some good updates in themselves, like ardour, kdenlive, etc
[16:48] <Guest56632> Thank you. See you around.
[19:56] <tn> Hello folks. I'm trying to put together a system that would have been pretty sweet in 2006, having a bit of firewire/ffado trouble
[20:35] <zequence> tn: What's not working for you?
[20:38] <tn> Not sure really. I've finally got the udev rule working so that /dev/fw0 is owned by audio, and now I can start ffado-dbus-server
[20:38] <tn> but jack fails with dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoServer: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-nkr6CCtP58: Connection refused
[20:39] <tn> background context: this is a 32-bit Intel Mac Mini, using the builtin Firewire to connect to a Behringer FCA-202 DAC
[20:45] <zequence> tn: You don't need any of that
[20:45] <zequence> tn: If your device is supported by ffado, things are already set
[20:45] <zequence> Only in the past did you have to do that sort of stuff
[20:46] <tn> ok but without that it was violently refusing to start
[20:46] <zequence> I
[20:46] <zequence> Never mind
[20:46] <zequence> Check the file /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules
[20:46] <zequence> That's where the devices are given privilege
[20:47] <zequence> to audio group
[20:48] <zequence> tn: I'm pretty sure your problem was not with rights, but rather with something else. But, I could be wrong
[20:48] <tn> yeah, that wasn't there until I made it, I copied it from https://raw.githubusercontent.com/adiknoth/ffado/master/libffado/libffado/60-ffado.rules
[20:48] <zequence> tn: Which distro are you on?
[20:49] <zequence> It comes with the package libffado2
[20:49] <zequence> ..which you would have just by installing jackd
[20:49] <tn> Ubuntu Studio 15.10, added the KXStudio repos
[20:49] <zequence> Ok, so you should have it then
[20:49] <zequence> I'm telling you. You're complicating the whole thing
[20:50] <tn> well you know, if at first you don't succeed, fling poo until something sticks
[20:50] <zequence> Not sure how though
[20:50] <tn> This was (last night) a pristine install, and it threw out a bunch of red errors when starting jack
[20:51] <zequence> If you run a live ISO of Ubuntu Studio, the firewire stuff should work out of the box, unless the device is not supported by FFADO
[20:51] <zequence> Just by starting jack, it should work
[20:52] <tn> yeah, that's the mystery. I got the old Mini to replace a horrible old HP, but the DAC worked on the old machine. I'd suspect the internal firewire on the Mini, but it shows up fine on lspci
[20:53] <zequence> Well, as long as it's a decent firewire chip. I've heard about bad ones not working
[20:53] <zequence> I've only ever had one kind, which works, so
[20:53] <zequence> I have a Focusrite Sapphire Pro 40, which I use in my studio
[20:53] <zequence> I just plug it in, and it works.
[20:54] <zequence> Nowadays, you even have ALSA support for a bunch of firewire devices
[20:54] <tn> Must be nice :/ so no other troubleshooting tips? I can run, like whatever
[20:54] <zequence> Mine doesn't have that, though
[20:54] <zequence> If it is supported by FFADO, then it should work. If not, report a bug
[20:55] <zequence> And, try a live ISO first, to make sure. Just in case
[20:55] <zequence> To report a bug, get a launchpad account, at http://launchpad.net, then in a terminal do: ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[20:55] <zequence> in your case, perhaps libffado2
[20:55] <tn> Heh, do you have any idea how *slow* an original Mac mini is running off a DVD
[20:56] <zequence> Try a USB stick
[20:56] <tn> but yeah, when I get home I'll give it a try
[20:56] <zequence> sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdb
[20:56] <tn> oh no, Mini HATES booting from USB, we have tried that
[20:56] <zequence> (if sdb is your usb stick)
[20:57] <zequence> I haven't tried that device myself on Linux, so I have no clue
[20:58] <zequence> But, again, if FFADO supports it, it should work. Otherwise, you need drivers and for that you need either code them or find them
[20:58] <zequence> You could try the latest ISO, if you like. The xenial one
[20:58] <zequence> at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current
[20:58] <zequence> Will be out in a couple of weeks
[20:59] <zequence> Latest kernel, and ffado
[20:59] <tn> I was actually considering going back in time, since most of the web pages I'm finding that relate to this hardware are from around 2010
[21:00] <zequence> If your device works on an older release, but not a newer one, please do report a bug
[21:00] <zequence> You could try the trusty release
[21:01] <zequence> Think the kernel is the old one http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/trusty/dvd/current/
[21:01] <tn> yeah, will do. Doesn't simplify things that there are two versions each of ffado, jack, and firewire to try various combinations of
[21:01] <zequence> vanilla backports the kernel for each point release
[21:02] <zequence> tn: Well, it's mostly ffado and the kernel you need to worry about, and not much changes usually on those regarding to a specific device
[21:03] <zequence> According to ffado the device has full support
[21:03] <zequence> Since 2007
[21:04] <tn> hm
[21:04] <zequence> http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/54
[21:05] <tn> Just occurred to me maybe it's a power thing (reading this page: https://sourceforge.net/p/ffado/mailman/message/29203027/)
[21:06] <tn> the DAC does have external power, but I never plugged it in since it also can take power from the firewire. Butperhaops it takes more than the Mini is willing to supply...?
[21:06] <zequence> NO idea, but worth a try, i guess