[06:52] <bluesabre> Unit193: ah... the meeting is a hangout?
[06:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: morning - and I would guess it is
[06:53] <flocculant> anything to do with that community team generally is 
[06:53]  * bluesabre would prefer IRC at this hour
[06:54]  * flocculant would prefer IRC at any hour - some people are really hard to understand however awake you are :p
[06:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: Crap, it is?
[06:59] <flocculant> ask dpm - he's probably about in ubuntu-community-team now, if he's not then dholbach will be 
[07:03] <bluesabre> Unit193: can go without video
[07:04] <Unit193> bluesabre: This is going to be fun...
[07:04] <flocculant> did a time get picked yet? 
[07:08] <Unit193> Yep, now.
[07:08] <flocculant> oh good luck then :p
[07:09] <Unit193> Indeed, didn't have time to setup a mic.
[07:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did I miss anything about any dpkg/apt integration at all?  Even most basic levels?
[07:18] <bluesabre> it's different than apt, doesn't break apt, coexists with apt
[07:19] <Unit193> Right, like pip/gems..
[07:26] <bluesabre> Unit193: really good question
[07:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thanks, you had great ones.
[07:30] <bluesabre> the questions relevant to me :D
[07:30] <ochosi> hi folks
[07:30] <ochosi> can't be @hangout
[07:31] <ochosi> is it still ongoing?
[07:31] <flocculant> morning ochosi 
[07:31] <flocculant> cya all later 
[07:31] <bluesabre> hey ochosi, yes, will link you the youtube link when its done
[07:32] <bluesabre> (ubuntu snappy meeting, Unit193 and I are there)
[07:34] <bluesabre> This does seem better than My Apps, which had a horribly slow review queue and required a new upload for every ubuntu release
[07:35] <Unit193> I don't know anything of My Apps.
[07:35] <Unit193> Wonder how support will be. :3
[07:35] <Unit193> support == user support.
[07:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hah, just what I was going for.
[07:43] <bluesabre> :)
[07:47] <Unit193> bluesabre: You're awsome, thanks for staying up.  Get some good rest.
[07:48] <bluesabre> ha
[07:48] <bluesabre> I went to bed and set an alarm
[07:48] <bluesabre> and now I'll probably go back to bed :D
[07:48] <Unit193> ...I just got home in time for it.
[07:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: they'll probably publish a link to it a bit later
[07:50] <bluesabre> main takeaways...
[07:50] <bluesabre> coexists with apt
[07:51] <bluesabre> snappy apps are launched by ubuntu-snappy-cli
[07:51] <Unit193> Basically lives in chroots (squashfs filesystems), is for content providers to get content to end users.
[07:51] <bluesabre> libraries are contained within the snaps (and in the future may be in separate library snaps)
[07:52] <bluesabre> updates to the snappy system with be backported to 16.04 as they come along
[07:52] <bluesabre> *will
[07:53] <bluesabre> sounds like a pretty good system, and I can see a lot of use cases with it
[07:55] <bluesabre> Unit193: the old MyApps - https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish/ - biggest problem was things staying in "Awaiting moderation" for months at a time, making it faster to get things into Debian NEW and finding a MOTU to sync it back to Ubuntu :|
[07:56] <Unit193> Hah, wow.  Niiice.
[07:56] <bluesabre> and the general issue with having to republish for every ubuntu release you wanted your stuff to be on
[07:56] <bluesabre> menulibre was there at the beginning :D
[07:57] <Unit193> So, might be fun to poke with a stick, I'm not against them, but I don't really see me using them either.
[07:57] <Unit193> Yeah, was in extras.
[07:57] <bluesabre> yup
[07:58] <bluesabre> its pretty cool for their IOT and embedded devices, I think its something like "snappy deploy $something $ip" to punt an app to a device
[07:59] <bluesabre> anyway, back to bed for me
[07:59] <bluesabre> night/morning all
[07:59] <Unit193> Not as useful on the desktop, but informative and as I said, not against it.
[07:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: Sleep well.
[08:35] <Unit193> Suppose that should go on the agenda.
[11:35] <pavlushka> suspend resumes to black screen.
[11:35] <pavlushka> and hi Every one!
[11:39] <flocculant> Unit193 bluesabre - thanks for going there to see what the crack is with it :)
[11:40] <flocculant> Unit193: agenda - might be useful to do that - saves going over the same ground over and over :p
[11:40] <flocculant> hi pavlushka 
[11:41] <pavlushka> Hi flocculant !!! :)
[11:42] <pavlushka> flocculant, what do I do? tested more than 3 times today.
[11:43] <flocculant> what do you mean by what do I do? 
[11:44] <pavlushka> suspend resumes to black screen
[11:44] <flocculant> report it 
[11:44] <flocculant> once
[11:44] <pavlushka> ok
[11:45] <pavlushka> using ubuntu manual test or LP bug?
[11:45] <flocculant> you don't report bugs with the tracker - it's not possible
[11:46] <flocculant> you list on the tracker the bug you've reported through launchpad via ubuntu-bug
[11:51] <flocculant> pavlushka: is this your system that's got the broken screen that you have to use an external monitor on? 
[11:51] <flocculant> if that's the case you need to make it plain
[11:51] <pavlushka> yes
[11:52] <pavlushka> plain means removing the external monitor?
[11:54] <flocculant> no plain means making it obvious that you've got a broken laptop and external monitor in the report
[11:55] <pavlushka> definitely I will as I did for the previous.
[11:55] <pavlushka> but thanks for pointing.
[11:56] <pavlushka> the priority gets hi.
[11:56] <flocculant> then wait for responses - no need to keep adding things, changing affected packages
[11:56] <pavlushka> awee, you got that!
[11:57] <flocculant> got what? 
[11:58] <pavlushka> what you said, I did it for a bug. I was just not sure.
[11:58] <flocculant> bbl
[12:03] <pavlushka> ok
[14:20] <knome_tracker> 'lo
[14:25] <krytarik> knome_tracker: LOL
[14:25] <knome_tracker> krytarik: what?
[14:25] <krytarik> Nothing. :X
[14:25] <knome_tracker> i don't have access to my ssh host as i don't have my private key on my mum's laptop
[14:25] <knome_tracker> ...for a reason
[14:26] <Elroy> Hi Xubuntu Dev-Team - The Compton Problem with nVidia Driver over 352.-- is permanent and at 16.04 on AMD ("iommu=soft") + nVidia 970GTX - Install FAILS !
[14:27] <knome_tracker> compton?
[14:27] <Elroy> Coming later back ...
[14:27] <knome_tracker> that's not in the default install
[14:27] <Elroy> but its only a tearfree xcomposiotr
[14:27] <knome_tracker> don't get me wrong; i'd like it to work, but is it compton the reason the install is failing?
[14:28] <Elroy> no
[14:28] <knome_tracker> what is then?
[14:28] <knome_tracker> have you filed a bug?
[14:28] <Elroy> the reason is a problem with usb ("iommu=soft") and AMD Mainboard with iommu hard
[14:29] <knome_tracker> so.. you are adding a kernel boot option and then the installation doesn't work?
[14:30] <knome_tracker> in any case... have you filed a bug?
[14:30] <Elroy> Xubuntu 15.10 works fine to Install, but 16.04 can`t start the Nouveau Driver for the Install and writes the message "Live CD working in Progress - working - but hold on"
[14:31] <Elroy> Ojn Ubuntu MATE 16.04 there are not this fail
[14:31] <Elroy> and Ubuntu 16.04 also have not this fail
[14:32] <knome_tracker> ...have you filed a bug?
[14:33] <Elroy> i read about the compton fail with nVidia Driver up to 364.-- (tthere is now another competition about OpenGL - xrender doesn`t work on my machine
[14:33] <Elroy> must do now - the prob is - i can`t get a screenshot
[14:34] <Elroy> only my hardware constellation i can send you
[14:34] <knome_tracker> that's a start
[14:34] <knome_tracker> but please do not intertwine the compton issue to this
[14:34] <knome_tracker> if it's related, then it's not high priority for us
[14:34] <Elroy> working for a long time with xubuntu - it`s the first time i have this failure
[14:34] <knome_tracker> if it's not, it's better not mention it in the bug
[14:35] <knome_tracker> it sounds weird to me that this bug only happens with xubuntu, and it might be hard to reproduce, but...
[14:36] <Elroy> understand that compton another point is - excuse for my english, i`m 60 years old and coming from austria - german
[14:36] <knome_tracker> that's ok
[14:37] <Elroy> Interessting - Ubuntu-Gnome fails not - but budgie-remix have the same problem
[14:37] <krytarik> Elroy: Extending on what knome_tracker just said, did you checksum the image?
[14:37] <Elroy> yess
[14:37] <Elroy> with gnash and thunar
[14:38] <Elroy> i downloaded three times another image - every time the same
[14:38] <krytarik> !md5sum | Elroy
[14:39] <Elroy> okm prob this ... no i`m waiting for a upgrade and driving with version 15.10 without any probs
[14:39] <Elroy> thxs for writng and tipps - see you
[14:40] <krytarik> Thanks as well.
[14:40] <knome_tracker> Elroy: and please file the bug... :P
[14:40] <Elroy> stay only in future with xubuntu - before i have testing for my linux-forum 35 distros, but for playing ist this the best
[14:40] <Elroy> make this
[14:41] <Elroy> bye
[17:37] <Nairwolf> hi guys ;) I've been away from computers recently. What's new ? We're after the kernel freeze. Do you need more tests ? 
[17:40] <flocculant> Nairwolf: we always do - but if you want to hang on for a few days - next week will see the start of the release candidate testing fortnight
[17:42] <davmor2> flocculant: pfff next week I've been at it 3 days already ;)
[17:43] <Nairwolf> flocculant: okay, I should be able to be present. 
[17:43] <Nairwolf> Maybe this week, I will try to help to improve french translations
[17:45] <flocculant> davmor2: :)
[17:45] <flocculant> davmor2: I just want to double check my triple check before I ask people to test upgrades ... 
[17:46] <davmor2> flocculant: they work but keep it quiet because someone will break it if you tell them
[17:48] <flocculant> yea - that's what my triple check found out :p
[17:49] <flocculant> knome: perhaps you could explain some arcane wiki wobblyness - target wiki page does not exist - copy from existing to target - can't do that target exists ... 
[17:50]  * flocculant just put it down to some strangeness that tends to accrue around ubuntu wiki(s) 
[18:30] <ochosi> evening
[18:34] <ochosi> knome: including the back and forth it seems that the team is leaning towards option 2) (10 winners)
[18:44] <flocculant> ochosi: good evening :)
[19:28] <knome> i'm feeling down because no more wittgenstein quotes were exchanged in the thread
[19:30] <knome> ochosi, in any way time is tight, and now we need to contact more winners
[19:30] <knome> who's volunteering for that?
[19:31] <knome> i mean i can do it at latest tomorrow, but if somebody can do it before..
[19:43] <flocculant> knome: I can do that - have any gone out yet at all? 
[19:43] <flocculant> and any pro-forma mail? 
[19:44] <flocculant> hey dude - your submission will be in the package we seed with xenial - congrats for thats
[19:46] <flocculant> and it's 2 people ... 
[19:57] <knome> flocculant, none gone out
[19:57] <knome> flocculant, we also need to check the attribution name
[19:57] <knome> flocculant, especially in cases it isn't clearly something they'd want to be called
[19:58] <knome> flocculant, maybe we can cowrite it in a pad
[19:58] <knome> unless you did it already :)
[19:58] <flocculant> nope - done nothing as I wasn't sure what had been done
[19:58] <knome> :D
[19:58] <knome> nothing was done
[19:59] <flocculant> :)
[19:59] <knome> i'll open a pad
[19:59] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xx-wallpaper-winners
[20:01] <flocculant> mmm
[20:01] <flocculant> having trouble opening the contest site 
[20:01] <knome> mm
[20:02] <knome> actually i'm thinking we should "TO" these mails to the xubuntu contacts mailing list so we have a sensible archive of the replies
[20:03] <flocculant> xubuntu contacts? 
[20:03] <knome> yeah
[20:03] <flocculant> no idea wth that is
[20:03] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-contacts
[20:03] <flocculant> oh one of those private jobs
[20:04] <knome> it says "only members of the xubuntu team are subscribed to this list" but it means "only xubuntu team members *can* subscribe to this list"
[20:04] <knome> yep
[20:04] <knome> (that said, if anybody wants access, feel free to poke me)
[20:05] <knome> it's not a very exciting list really though
[20:05] <flocculant> well
[20:05] <flocculant> I'm certainly not going to TO that list and get spammed by moderation messages
[20:05] <Unit193> flocculant: FWIW, I remember discussions about when it was created, and since then it has been mentioned several times. :3
[20:06] <knome> it mostly has communication with the officially endorsed vendors
[20:06] <flocculant> Unit193: possibly I have heard of it - but so infrequently I just *shrug* 
[20:06] <flocculant> knome: right
[20:06] <Unit193> Right, I didn't know I could have access, but I never really checked either.  Then again, most of the time I follow via archives. >_>
[20:06] <knome> and a test email from lyz with the topic "Fruit"
[20:06] <flocculant> ha ha 
[20:06] <Unit193> Hah!
[20:06] <knome> Unit193, archives are private ;)
[20:07] <Unit193> Yes, figured.
[20:07] <flocculant> knome: moderating needed 
[20:07] <knome> flocculant, if you want to be subbed, i can do that, or if you rather not get more mail, i can add you to the auto-mod list
[20:07] <flocculant> I subbed
[20:07] <flocculant> ^^
[20:07] <knome> oh ;)
[20:08] <knome> let's see..
[20:08] <flocculant> didn't think about auto-modding
[20:08] <knome> approved
[20:08] <flocculant> I'll likely unsub later :p
[20:08] <knome> wfm too
[20:08] <flocculant> thanks
[20:08] <flocculant> ok - happy to TO that list now :p
[20:08] <flocculant> still not getting to the site
[20:08] <knome> i really don't mind who of the team is subbed, mostly i think most do not need to be subbed..
[20:08] <knome> pff :)
[20:09] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2016-April/001179.html that can be nice.
[20:09] <knome> flocculant, let me try something
[20:09] <flocculant> read that - mmm - over there in the wall above my head :p
[20:09] <flocculant> Unit193: ^^
[20:09] <Unit193> flocculant: Ah, well it's handy, means less delta to Debian. \o/
[20:09] <knome> actually i seem to be having trouble with the contest site too
[20:10] <knome> >__<
[20:10] <flocculant> ;)
[20:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: what is the latest date for packaging the wallpapers? 
[20:11] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i'm feeling blue too, no more wittgenstein quotes plus flocculant broke his vow never to bring up the knickers again
[20:11] <flocculant> ochosi: well 
[20:11] <knome> yeah, knickers should be left *down*
[20:11] <flocculant> mailing list was a new set of knickers :p
[20:11] <knome> flocculant, able to log in now
[20:12] <ochosi> flocculant: well a fresh pair is the least i'd expect!
[20:12] <flocculant> knome: nope
[20:12] <knome> bluesabre, i guess you'd like to push before final freeze? :P
[20:12] <knome> flocculant, i mean i am..
[20:12] <knome> i logged you out from all sessions
[20:12] <knome> so you can try again now
[20:13] <knome> ochosi, what kind of scrutiny do you think we should take with unsplash stuff?
[20:13] <knome> ochosi, does unsplash give any contact addresses for a friendly notification?
[20:14] <knome> apparently not necessarily
[20:14] <ochosi> knome: not that i know of
[20:14] <ochosi> i think it's up to the authors
[20:14] <knome> yep
[20:14] <knome> all the way up to the authors
[20:14] <knome> :X
[20:15] <flocculant> in there now - nipping out - back soon
[20:15] <knome> ochosi, plz join the pad and read the last line
[20:15] <knome> ochosi, and tell me: if no confirmation, will we just expect the details are ok, or boot?
[20:16] <ochosi> not sure why we need confirmation for something that is already on a website..?
[20:16] <ochosi> so anyway, i wouldn't boot those submissions
[20:16] <ochosi> even if unconfirmed
[20:17] <knome> okay, so just expect details are right
[20:17] <ochosi> cause the authors already "confirmed" the details initially on unsplash
[20:17] <knome> yeah, but some people didn't "get" what attribution means
[20:17] <knome> so they inserted name of work there
[20:18] <ochosi> yeah, but in unsplash it's clear
[20:18] <knome> yes, but we aren't even talking just about unsplash
[20:18] <knome> actually we are talking everything BUT unsplash
[20:19] <ochosi> :)
[20:19] <knome> hmmh
[20:23] <knome> so since we are doing something for archival, should we actually attach (a thumnail of) the submission to the mail so that gets archived too
[20:23] <knome> instead of relying on some arbitrary urls
[20:25] <knome> ochosi, you realize 16UTC on sat is less than 24 hours from now?
[20:26] <ochosi> i didn't set that time/date :)
[20:26] <knome> i wrote sunday
[20:26] <knome> you corrected it to saturday
[20:26] <knome> "corrected"
[20:26] <ochosi> oh, maybe i mistyped then
[20:26] <ochosi> hehe
[20:26] <knome> i mean that can be earlier on sunday
[20:26] <knome> it all depends when sean is around to upload
[20:27] <knome> i'm fine with a 24-hour window too
[20:27] <knome> so likely 21UTC on sat
[20:27] <knome> but the more time we can give, the better
[20:27] <ochosi> yeah, up to bluesabre (or whoever uploads finally)
[20:28] <knome> maybe greenknife picks up the upload this time
[20:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: Get anywhere on thunar?
[20:35] <pavlushka> Hi every one!
[20:35] <pavlushka> the dist-upgrade is not supposed to behave like this I think, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15698126/
[20:36] <Unit193> It can.
[20:37] <pavlushka> then where's the different between "sudo apt-get upgrade & sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[20:37] <pavlushka> *diffenerce
[20:37] <Unit193> dist-upgrade will install new stuff, basically.  That can mean something conflicts that you have installed though.
[20:39] <pavlushka> is code-block conflicting with gcc then?
[20:39] <flocculant> ok back again
[20:40] <knome> flocculant, i'm pretty happy with the mail
[20:40] <knome> flocculant, needs a bit of tweaking for some bits
[20:40] <flocculant> yea just looking for Inglish :p
[20:40] <knome> flocculant, would probably make sense to rename the files to something other than their original names
[20:40] <ochosi> bbabl
[20:41] <knome> flocculant, and the thumbnail (600x in width, shown in the result overview) should be fine
[20:41] <knome> actually, that reminds me of something meh
[20:43] <flocculant> knome: where are you getting thumbnails from then? 
[20:43] <knome> we need to crop some of the images
[20:43] <knome> flocculant, right-click the image on the results page, click view image
[20:43] <knome> gives you for example -> http://contest.xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/squirreledit-600x375.jpg
[20:43] <flocculant> aah right 
[20:44] <pavlushka> Unit193, what should I do then? can I fix it with a command or I have to uninstall the held back packages?
[20:44] <knome> the images that needs cropping are sent by me and ochosi 
[20:44] <knome> so no need to mention that in the mail specifically
[20:45] <flocculant> will the contest url for the thumbnail remain? eg use that to grab the image in the mail I send
[20:45] <flocculant> or grab it to local and use that
[20:45] <knome> grab to local and attach to the mail
[20:46] <knome> the urls will not remain and i don't want to think what url would be static enough
[20:46] <flocculant> okey doke
[20:46] <knome> attaching to mail makes them stick with the info, so it's the best
[20:46] <knome> might be that moderating is required anyway then though :P
[20:46] <knome> because file size
[20:47] <knome> by all you mean including me and ochosi?
[20:47] <flocculant> yep
[20:47] <knome> sure, totally
[20:47] <flocculant> wasn't going to originally :)
[20:47] <knome> what i meant about not needing to mention resolution issues
[20:47] <knome> is that we know that already and i can do the cropping tomorrow
[20:47] <flocculant> yup
[20:53] <pavlushka> Unit193, a request, if it is possible to suggest anything before I go to sleep.
[20:54] <flocculant> knome: happy with that pad?
[20:54] <Unit193> Eh?
[20:54] <knome> flocculant, yeah
[20:55] <flocculant> ok - biab then ... 
[20:55] <pavlushka> its 3 am here, I was gonna go sleep but the problem happened.
[20:55] <knome> flocculant, give me a ping when you've sent them out and i'll make sure they get approved
[20:55] <knome> flocculant, and for sanity, please send multiple files with the same mail when same submitter :P
[20:55] <flocculant> knome: I'll do a real draft of one on the pad first 
[20:55] <knome> just duplicate the appropriate lines
[20:55] <knome> ack
[20:56] <flocculant> knome: yea - I had fully intended to only send one mail when I could :)
[20:56] <Unit193> pavlushka: It's not really a big deal, sleep, it'll still be there tomorrow.
[20:56] <knome> i'm watching a series, but i'm responsive (i can pause easily)
[20:56] <flocculant> okey doke 
[20:56] <pavlushka> feeling sleepy, Good night guys!
[21:02] <flocculant> knome: this link? https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
[21:02] <knome> mhm
[21:02] <knome> sorry, could have dug it up
[21:04] <flocculant> np
[21:04] <flocculant> knome: check the pad please
[21:05] <knome> flocculant, let's not use the url at all
[21:05] <flocculant> submission one
[21:05] <knome> see pad
[21:05] <flocculant> I am :)
[21:05] <knome> because the url is gone in a few weeks
[21:06] <knome> flocculant, ah, you're right
[21:07] <knome> let me see the naming convention
[21:07] <knome> i mean
[21:07] <flocculant> http://contest.xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/squirreledit-600x375.jpg 
[21:07] <knome> let's use a name that will be the final name *in the package* 
[21:07] <knome> well
[21:07] <knome> right
[21:07] <knome> maybe you are right indeed
[21:07] <flocculant> actually that's not the case  rename
[21:07] <flocculant> re name
[21:07] <flocculant> it's called 
[21:08] <knome> this is indeed best
[21:08] <knome> (in pad)
[21:08] <flocculant> home/wolf/blah :p
[21:08] <knome> so basically you want to remove -xxx-xxx from the filename
[21:08] <flocculant> yup 
[21:08] <flocculant> ok - cool - thanks 
[21:08] <knome> yeah, you're absolutely right, it makes most sense this way
[21:08] <knome> my bad :P
[21:09] <knome> also
[21:09] <flocculant> ok - I'll go with that now 
[21:09] <knome> no!
[21:09] <knome> :P
[21:09] <knome> the () stuff in attribution and name of work
[21:09] <knome> are intended to be sent to recipients
[21:10] <flocculant> what? 
[21:10] <knome> see pad again
[21:11] <knome> maybe we can group the lines better
[21:11] <flocculant> yea - the submission bit makes sense
[21:11] <knome> it makes for attribution too
[21:11] <knome> if you look at the winning submissiond
[21:11] <flocculant> the attribution one is just what they said in the first place
[21:11] <knome> for one of them, the author clearly misunderstood the attribution field
[21:12] <flocculant> yellowjacket
[21:12] <knome> yeah
[21:12] <flocculant> you mean :)
[21:12] <knome> and since many are "Untitled", we want the author(s) to be able to name their work now
[21:12] <knome> if they want
[21:13] <flocculant> yea that makes more sense now
[21:14] <knome> is your nick "ochosi" on the pad?
[21:14] <knome> :P
[21:14] <flocculant> mine?
[21:14] <knome> oh no
[21:14] <knome> i only saw me and him on the nick list before i refreshed :D
[21:14] <flocculant> :)
[21:15] <knome> yep, i'm fine with that now
[21:15] <flocculant> ok - biab then :)
[21:15] <knome> as long as all the content that is there goes through, the formatting is more or less minutiae
[21:15] <flocculant> yea
[21:16] <flocculant> I'll bold the 'incorrect' line in the one I send out
[21:17] <knome> :D
[21:22] <knome> hahah, in the queue
[21:22] <knome> ;)
[21:29] <knome> flocculant, oops
[21:30] <knome> (nvm)
[21:30] <flocculant> sorry pleia2 - didn't see knome's random line in the middle of the drag and drop ... 
[21:30] <knome> that
[21:30] <knome> nvm...
[21:33] <flocculant> ochosi: really the elfenbeint address? 
[21:33] <flocculant> knome: ^^ cos he's off doing dad stuff :) - xfce.org address? 
[21:34] <knome> flocculant, PM :)
[21:38] <flocculant> knome: mmm so for ones that are sourced from unsplash or something and obviously not photo's on a local drive should we put the source url in the mail? 
[21:38] <flocculant> I guess given it's 2 specific people doesn't hurt
[21:39] <knome> i would still attach them the same way as others
[21:39] <knome> we can't depend on unsplash either
[21:39] <flocculant> I will attach thumbnails ofc
[21:39] <knome> right, yeah
[21:39] <knome> you can add the source URL too
[21:39] <knome> indeed
[21:39] <flocculant> Original source of the photo: 
[21:40] <flocculant> I'm putting
[21:40] <knome> yup
[21:43] <flocculant> specifically this one - I'll ping ochosi and tell him that perhaps spell it Mountainous
[21:43] <knome> or hilly
[21:44] <knome> :P
[21:44] <flocculant> no really - spillong errir there :)
[21:44] <knome> :)
[21:57] <flocculant> knome: ok - all sent now
[21:57] <knome> and all approved
[21:57] <flocculant> cool
[21:57] <flocculant> ochosi: so really - spelling :)
[21:57] <knome> thanks for taking care
[21:57] <flocculant> welcome
[21:58] <flocculant> I care generally :)
[21:58] <knome> carebears :P
[21:58] <flocculant> next time
[21:58] <flocculant> sooner
[21:58] <flocculant> community voting
[21:58] <flocculant> or I will be cross
[21:58] <knome> i'd like to tweak some terms at least
[21:59] <flocculant> so basically now wait for some to come up with titles at least :p
[21:59] <knome> would be fun to do a winter contest
[21:59] <flocculant> perhaps we could do a mid-cycle one 
[21:59] <flocculant> complete with voting ... 
[21:59] <knome> would have to be .10..
[21:59] <flocculant> like 17.10
[21:59] <flocculant> yea
[21:59] <knome> yep
[21:59] <knome> or 16.10 ;)
[22:00] <flocculant> yea
[22:00] <knome> 2016 is the 10th anniversary for xubuntu anyway
[22:00] <flocculant> oh well
[22:00] <knome> and lots of other activity
[22:00] <flocculant> then we should for sure do that
[22:00] <knome> yeah
[22:00] <knome> just let's pump up the stuff for june first ;)
[22:01] <flocculant> we have the tool now - no reason why we can't pick it up after that - and get voting end September ish
[22:01] <flocculant> loads of winter Australia pics :D
[22:01] <knome> hahah
[22:01] <knome> indeed
[22:01] <knome> i also have an improved version of the tool
[22:01] <knome> :P
[22:02] <Unit193> knome: I don't like the dev. link in the topic, not a handydandy link to meetings anymore. :(
[22:02] <knome> boo
[22:02] <knome> :)
[22:02] <knome> set up your own channel for meeting topics! (:
[22:03] <Unit193> Pah, riight.  I just won't look at the agenda. :-----D
[22:03] <flocculant> was there a link to meetings there? 
[22:03] <Unit193> knome: Can I not delete wiki apges?
[22:03] <knome> as if you ever dod
[22:03] <knome> Unit193, you should be able
[22:04] <Unit193> flocculant: Nah, just the wiki, which had a handy one to them is all. :P
[22:04] <knome> Unit193, just edit and save a blank field
[22:04] <flocculant> knome: seen the mail yet? 
[22:04] <knome> flocculant, which one?
[22:04] <Unit193> knome: Eh, can't actually nuke though it seems.
[22:04] <flocculant> Unit193: aah right
[22:04] <Unit193> OK, will do.\
[22:04] <knome> oh
[22:04] <flocculant> knome: the I screwed up attribution one :p
[22:04] <knome> yep
[22:04] <knome> i see it now
[22:04] <knome> good good
[22:04] <knome> i thought so
[22:04] <flocculant> yea :)
[22:04] <flocculant> I'll reply now
[22:05] <knome> approved
[22:05] <Unit193> That's amusing: Last modified: 1970/01/01 00:00 by
[22:05] <knome> Unit193, fun, isn't it!
[22:05] <Unit193> knome: I don't suppose you'd actually put it in the header there?
[22:06] <knome> i guess i did
[22:06] <knome> :)
[22:06] <Unit193> knome: Oh, and looked at the dokuwiki output stuff yet?  And, dokuwiki doesn't do template pages like we used to?
[22:06] <knome> no, haven't
[22:06] <knome> and don't know about template pages
[22:06] <knome> do we need such?
[22:07] <Unit193> Having it on the old wiki was pretty handy, some of us really did stink with meetings more than others.  Still do.
[22:07] <knome> heh
[22:07] <Unit193> Look, not trying to be a pain.
[22:07] <knome> no no, i'm not thinking you are
[22:07] <knome> but isn't the template for the meeting in the output?
[22:08] <flocculant> yes 
[22:08] <knome> just copy-paste everything except the full log
[22:08] <knome> and that's it
[22:08] <knome> ...except now that the markup is different and we need to update the output
[22:08] <flocculant> was just about to say that
[22:08] <flocculant> and
[22:08] <flocculant> are we moving meetings *now*
[22:08] <knome> nope
[22:08] <Unit193> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/ that.
[22:08] <flocculant> oh good
[22:09] <knome> but rather sooner than later, once the output stuff is fixed
[22:09] <flocculant> knome: I thought we were moving the archive meeting stuff too? 
[22:09] <flocculant> Unit193: doesn't that just get the name right? 
[22:09] <knome> Unit193, right, that's just the "pick a page name" stuff :P
[22:09] <knome> haha, it's echoing
[22:09] <flocculant> ing
[22:09] <flocculant> ing 
[22:10] <flocculant> in
[22:10] <flocculant> g
[22:10] <knome> flocculant, i'm not completely sure
[22:10] <knome> flocculant, it's possible too
[22:10] <knome> but not worth it before the new meeting minutes are in the wiki
[22:10] <flocculant> knome: just seems a bit pants to not 
[22:10] <flocculant> or don't move them
[22:10] <flocculant> like release notes
[22:10] <knome> yep
[22:11] <flocculant> which might be changing post xenial ... 
[22:11] <knome> yep
[22:11] <knome> ep
[22:11] <knome> eo
[22:11] <flocculant> well
[22:11] <knome> ep
[22:11] <knome> p
[22:11] <knome> p
[22:11] <knome> p
[22:11] <knome> *
[22:11] <knome> .
[22:11] <knome> .
[22:11] <flocculant> s/might/will 
[22:11] <flocculant> :)
[22:11] <knome>  
[22:12] <flocculant> then might change back post post xenial
[22:13] <Unit193> https://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:commentsyntax that's not default? :(
[22:13] <knome> actually # comments should work automatically
[22:13] <flocculant> knome: oh yea - wiki - so when I asked you earlier about copying and it said page existed - perhaps it should say "possibly the page exists if a draft gets used' cos I must have almost done it previously
[22:14] <knome> hmm
[22:14] <flocculant> and then not actually saved the page
[22:14] <flocculant> but that's ubuntu wiki not our one ofc
[22:14] <knome> oh right
[22:14] <knome> the ubuntu wiki might say a page exists if it's deleted before
[22:14] <knome> and then you can't copy to that spot anyway
[22:14] <flocculant> I scratched my head - then just *meh* copy paste it 
[22:14] <knome> because essentially it exists in the database
[22:15] <knome> just not for the user
[22:15] <flocculant> yep
[22:15] <knome> until you go see the history
[22:15] <knome> it's a bit weird indeed..
[22:15] <flocculant> :)
[22:20] <flocculant> studio have a really comprehensive iso testing wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Testing/ISOTesting
[22:20] <flocculant> might do similar at our wiki for us - with the ubuntu one - no real control over content
[22:20] <flocculant> nice to link for testers when they start 
[22:21] <knome> flocculant, or contributor docs?
[22:21] <flocculant> would be a ballsache on there I thought
[22:21] <knome> hahah
[22:21] <flocculant> that was in fact my first thought
[22:22] <flocculant> would be better on wiki 
[22:23] <flocculant> could really be a couple of pages
[22:23] <flocculant> and wiki changes are ofc immediate
[22:23] <knome> wfm
[22:26] <flocculant> might try and dragoon akxwi :)
[22:30] <Unit193> Since I think people should put their names when adding something to the agenda, I don't like adding things if I won't be there to talk about it (I find that quite annoying when running meetings.)
[22:31] <knome> Unit193, agree
[22:32] <Unit193> However, Sean is running it and knows more than I do about Snappy.
[22:32] <flocculant> I agree too 
[22:33] <flocculant> I do try and remove things when I have added them
[22:33] <flocculant> and will miss meeting
[22:33] <knome> leaving them if they need to be discussed is imo ok even if you miss the meeting as long as your nick is there
[22:34] <knome> because then it can be skipped quickly if you aren't around and nobody else knows what it's about
[22:34] <flocculant> add it to 'Discussion' (nick/topic)
[22:34] <flocculant> I can't imagine anyone saying it's a bad idea
[22:34] <knome> nope
[22:35] <flocculant> Unit193: you could for instance do Snappy ( bluesabre/ Unit193)
[22:35] <flocculant> and then ask bluesabre if he's going to be there :D
[22:35] <knome> so bluesabre is the nick and Unit193 is the topic?
[22:36] <knome> :P
[22:36] <flocculant> oh my
[22:36] <knome> AHAHAHA
[22:36]  * knome laughs uncontrollably
[22:36]  * flocculant adds krytarik to all topics
[22:36] <Unit193> flocculant: He's running it, and I'm certain I won't be there. :P
[22:36] <flocculant> Unit193: I knew that :)
[22:36] <Unit193> knome: Nah, he doesn't want to talk about me.  And I mean he specifically doesn't! :D
[22:36] <knome> if we do some nick/topic stuff, then we could also put it in a table
[22:37] <knome> easier to read and prettier
[22:37] <flocculant> knome: works - worked for FC agenda
[22:37] <knome> and not so much worse in the markup that it would mean anything
[22:37] <flocculant> sometimes simple is best
[22:37] <Unit193> Except, I'm not logged in...
[22:37] <flocculant> oh right 
[22:38] <knome> Unit193, ha :P
[22:38] <flocculant> Unit193: we'll see you in an hour ish then :p
[22:38] <flocculant> though - it has been pretty responsive lately 
[22:39] <knome> must have been the xubuntu stuff that was slowing it down then
[22:39] <flocculant> ha ha 
[22:39] <knome> now if only one more flavor leaves, it's ok for the rest of the teams
[22:39] <Unit193> Nope, I'm still waiting.
[22:40] <Unit193> Oh right, and tadaaa.  New core.
[22:40] <flocculant> \o/
[22:40] <flocculant> Unit193: real one? 
[22:40] <flocculant> like for the tracker? 
[22:41] <Unit193> flocculant: No, only the one that hardly matters. :/
[22:42] <flocculant> now now old chap
[22:42] <flocculant> it matters :)
[22:42] <flocculant> we just can't get it sorted out 
[22:45] <Unit193> Well, it is unofficial, so really.  It'll be nice when I don't have to do that too. :P
[22:46] <flocculant> yea ofc
[22:46] <flocculant> it'll be a good day
[22:46] <Unit193> Also the official stamp would go great on it. :3
[22:47] <flocculant> I guess we should let release have a few days off - then really try and get it done for .1
[22:47] <Unit193> Point releases are harder anyway.
[22:48] <Unit193> Oh, remembered the wiki, and: Reason: Error reading from remote server
[22:48] <Unit193> Can someone else add it?
[22:48] <flocculant> Unit193: sanppy? 
[22:49] <knome> sanppy indeed
[22:49] <knome> and croe
[22:49] <flocculant> cron?
[22:49] <Unit193> flocculant: That or 'Seeding Snappy'
[22:49] <Unit193> But, that one covers more just in case.
[22:51] <flocculant> anything else while I'm managing to edit? 
[22:51] <Unit193> Can't think of anything, so hope not.  Oooh!  Nuke that core one. >_>
[22:51] <Unit193> :P
[22:53] <flocculant> done 
[22:53] <Unit193> flocculant: BTW, they said they've done a lot of internal QA, and it'd mainly just be adding ubuntu-snappy-cli (26MB on Xubuntu) so that when a user installs a snap from gnome-software, it's actually able to run.  That's the base platform for running them.
[22:54] <flocculant> good job we let gs in then 
[22:54] <Unit193> Also, the "rebranding" thing, that's just "Hey, 'Software' isn't very descriptive, maybe we should call it 'Ubuntu Software' or something slightly better."  Heh, well yes, presuming we want to support snaps OOTB.
[22:55] <flocculant> at least it won't be leaving dependencies around either :p
[22:55] <Unit193> Right, snaps are self-contained, literally.  They're in a squashfs. :P
[22:55] <flocculant> assuming I understand these snaps properly
[22:55] <flocculant> aah cool - so I did \o/ 
[22:55] <Unit193> I wondered how large each one was, then.
[22:55] <Unit193> flocculant: Yep, bundled libs and all in one file, basically. :P
[22:55] <flocculant> love to see an amarok snap ... 
[22:56] <flocculant> if nothing else I wouldn't need to copy the list of stuff I installed for it :)
[22:57] <Unit193> I don't really care all *that* much either way, but I'm leaning towards "Eh, lets not seed it."
[22:57] <flocculant> well I am in the awesome position
[22:57] <flocculant> do I need to qa this? no - *shrug* 
[22:58] <Unit193> But if we did, a recommend only in desktop. :P
[22:59] <knome> pleia2, social media time!
[22:59] <knome> pleia2, i see you're not idle, no hiding!
[22:59] <pleia2> I haz working
[22:59] <pleia2> but can publish now
[22:59] <knome> yup
[23:00] <flocculant> pleia2: evening
[23:00] <knome> so color schemes
[23:00] <knome> what
[23:00] <knome> wp says word count 0
[23:00] <pleia2> sometimes computers are less good at counting
[23:00] <knome> :|
[23:00] <knome> it doesn't show any content either
[23:01] <knome> there it is
[23:01] <knome> just being very wonky apparently
[23:01] <knome> well now it isn't there...
[23:01] <knome> sigh
[23:02] <knome> loading without js works
[23:02] <knome> ok, https://xubuntu.org/news/small-details-text-editor-terminal-color-schemes/ is out
[23:02] <knome> tweeting next
[23:02] <flocculant> thanks knome :)
[23:03] <flocculant> 2 nice series of posts these imo
[23:03] <knome> yep
[23:03] <knome> now we only need to write the two last articles for the other :D
[23:04] <knome> flocculant, did the mugshot situation clear up?
[23:04] <flocculant> lost track
[23:04] <flocculant> ummm
[23:04] <flocculant> situation ?
[23:04] <knome> i mean, the personal info integration article is schedule for monday
[23:04] <flocculant> oh right
[23:04] <knome> you wanted to postpone it because something something something
[23:05] <pleia2> g+ and fb done
[23:05] <pleia2> back2work
[23:05] <knome> pleia2, thanks, hf!
[23:05]  * pleia2 picks up crowbar
[23:05] <flocculant> afaik - a 'user' with no admin rights can only do a small section of mugshot changes
[23:05] <Unit193> She's going to give someone a headache..
[23:05] <knome> right
[23:05] <knome> Unit193, or maybe the ballache flocculant mentioned earlier
[23:06] <flocculant> Unit193: ot leg or arm
[23:06] <flocculant> knome: oooh :(
[23:06]  * knome giggles
[23:06] <knome> IT'S SO FLUFFY!
[23:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: are we stopped now with the mugshot for 'user' changes? 
[23:10] <knome> so of the planned articles, we still need to write one about wallpaper stuffz
[23:10] <flocculant> mmm
[23:10] <knome> and then we have whole release week empty if we want to prod one in on monday for example
[23:11] <flocculant> glad you have release week open ... 
[23:11] <knome> on release week tuesday we will publish the last article about media managers though
[23:11] <flocculant> there is a release announcement to do
[23:11] <flocculant> there is release testing to do
[23:11] <knome> yep..
[23:11] <knome> ack
[23:11] <flocculant> there is release panics to do
[23:11] <flocculant> :)
[23:11] <knome> all panic is slightly better if there's more of it
[23:12] <knome> gives a nice feeling of accomplishment too
[23:12] <flocculant> I think that the wallpaper stuff should show *just* before release week
[23:12] <knome> actually,
[23:12] <knome> here's an idea
[23:12] <flocculant> liek Monday or something
[23:12] <knome> let's bundle it with the contest results
[23:13] <knome> (well, testers can see it in dailies, but who cares)
[23:13] <knome> so it could be release week monday for that
[23:13] <knome> and something else for next weeks friday
[23:13] <knome> two ideas not yet used are
[23:13] <flocculant> works for me
[23:13] <knome> - presentation mode (which is useful btw)
[23:13] <flocculant> might be
[23:13] <knome> - workspace stuff (no specific idea)
[23:13] <flocculant> I'm kind of going to go a bit quiet in a week or so 
[23:14] <flocculant> about non-qa stuff that is ;)
[23:14] <knome> heh
[23:14] <knome> i'd hope the articles for next weeks publishing would be ready at latest early next week
[23:14] <knome> (except monday, which should be ready before.. monday9
[23:14] <flocculant> I'd really like us to be a bit quiet on 'things' by next Friday 
[23:15] <knome> what "things"? :)
[23:15] <flocculant> we can big it up on Thursday in 2 weeks
[23:15] <flocculant> anything
[23:15] <knome> err, are you saying you don't want any articles next week?
[23:15] <flocculant> I'd like the social stuff to be testing loud once we hit *next* weekend
[23:15] <flocculant> no no no
[23:15] <knome> :D
[23:16] <flocculant> by the Friday latest
[23:16] <knome> right, yeah
[23:16] <knome> so let's recap
[23:16] <knome> next week:
[23:16] <flocculant> let's put a date on it :)
[23:16] <knome> monday: small details article
[23:16] <knome> tuesday: media manager article
[23:16] <knome> wed: small details
[23:16] <knome> thu: 
[23:16] <knome> fri: small details
[23:16] <knome> weekend off
[23:16] <knome> then the week after:
[23:17] <knome> mon: small details/wallpaper contest
[23:17] <knome> tue: media manager
[23:17] <flocculant> after the 15th nothing unless I ack it
[23:17] <knome> and after that, everything is open
[23:17] <knome> or we can just announce the wallpaper stuff on friday
[23:17] <knome> and leave the release week open except the media manager article
[23:17] <flocculant> not too worried about the days - JUST that date :)
[23:18] <knome> mhm
[23:18] <knome> the original schedule for the media manager articles was one week earlier, but that didn't work out
[23:18] <knome> the idea was to keep release week quiet indeed
[23:19] <flocculant> I'm going to be really pissed if we are warbling about some *thing* when I am desperately trying to drum up testers
[23:19] <knome> yep
[23:19] <knome> do you have a schedule planned?
[23:19] <flocculant> yea I realise the article schedule slipped
[23:19] <knome> only for media manager stuff
[23:20] <knome> lots of wiggle room for the details since we decided to publish as many as three articles out per week
[23:20] <flocculant> knome: I need to try and sit down this week and sort out upgrades/install testing and some sort of order
[23:20] <knome> ack
[23:20] <flocculant> and ofc - respins will be an unknown quantity 
[23:20] <knome> when you know better, poke me and we'll see what kind of publicity stunts we do and when
[23:21] <knome> then intertwine everything
[23:21] <flocculant> so planning is a bit of a misnomer :)
[23:21] <flocculant> yea
[23:21] <knome> (ultimately (and unfortunately) i think the target audiences for the testing stuff and the article series are a bit different though)
[23:21] <flocculant> yea ofc they are
[23:21] <flocculant> totally understand that
[23:21] <flocculant> but
[23:22] <flocculant> not something we can sensibly share stage on
[23:22] <knome> indeed
[23:22] <flocculant> release has to take precedence here
[23:22] <knome> the article series are nice, and probably have more audience, but i agree that testing stuff should have more publicity
[23:22] <flocculant> let me look up at backlog a bit
[23:22] <knome> we can even coordinate something like twice a day
[23:22] <knome> for testing, that is
[23:22] <knome> to try to target EU and US people
[23:23] <flocculant> yup
[23:24] <flocculant> so there are panels/mugshot not published?
[23:25] <flocculant> knome: ^^ unwritten ones? 
[23:26] <flocculant> cos I'm confused with what's not published and your list above ... 
[23:26] <flocculant> wallpaper is missing is all
[23:30] <knome> yes
[23:31] <knome> the wiki isn't up-to-date
[23:31] <knome> sorry for that :P
[23:32] <flocculant> was lookign on wordpress actually :)
[23:32] <knome> oh
[23:32] <knome> anyway, yeah, wallpaper is only one missing
[23:51] <flocculant> so actually 2 and that to get in
[23:51] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:52] <knome> flocculant, ack, UNLESS we want more
[23:52] <flocculant> knome: can we do the 2 next week - then nothing till release day? 
[23:52] <bluesabre> flocculant: re: wallpapers, Sunday latest I'd say
[23:52] <flocculant> wallpaper on release day sounds to me
[23:52] <bluesabre> Unit193: no progress on Thunar, maybe this weekend
[23:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: right that's what we said in the end - you'll see the mail :p
[23:53] <bluesabre> flocculant: changes to mugshot are done
[23:53] <knome> flocculant, everything else is already next week except that one media manager article
[23:53] <flocculant> knome: cloud? 
[23:53] <flocculant> leave it there :p
[23:53] <bluesabre> flocculant: might have a change to menulibre over the weekend
[23:53] <bluesabre> just a fix ofc
[23:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok
[23:54] <knome> cloud is next week, "other options" is last week
[23:54] <knome> or we can flip
[23:54] <knome> but cloud is closer to being ready :P
[23:55] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'm going to aim to get release notes up to date by weekend end - would be awesome if you can find time to look, then I can just update that as things fall in
[23:55] <bluesabre> flocculant: will do, just ping again as my memory will be reset when i go to sleep tonight :D
[23:55] <flocculant> knome: mmm - I really want testing to take precedence in the final 7 days 
[23:55] <knome> flocculant, i understand
[23:56] <flocculant> bluesabre: oh crap - so who'll remind me to do it :p
[23:56] <bluesabre> :D
[23:56] <knome> flocculant, so you'd want to move the wallpaper stuff to release day?
[23:56] <flocculant> well
[23:56] <flocculant> I'd like that
[23:57] <knome> oki
[23:57] <knome> fortunately we have time to think about that:)
[23:57] <flocculant> unless the previous weekend at very latest 
[23:57] <bluesabre> anything else needed from me currently? Friday nights are my chill nights :D
[23:57] <knome> this next/last/previous thing is getting confusing
[23:57] <flocculant> I think I can get bluesabre to back me up on not filling social media up with pretty stuff when we really want to get as much testing done as possible :p
[23:58] <bluesabre> pretty stuff and get us more testers at the same time
[23:58] <flocculant> knome: hang on - let's get bluesabre to agree with me and I'll give you dates :p
[23:58] <knome> lol
[23:58] <bluesabre> lol
[23:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: ha 
[23:58] <knome> actually i'm really close to going to bed :P
[23:58] <knome> but maybe if you're quick..
[23:59] <flocculant> knome: up to the 15th/16th I don't care :)
[23:59] <bluesabre> I'm flexible, just let me know what to do
[23:59] <knome> yep, i got that
[23:59] <flocculant> after that ask perhaps :)
[23:59] <knome> bluesabre, sit!
[23:59] <knome> bluesabre, beg!
[23:59] <flocculant> ha 
[23:59] <bluesabre> fix thunar for meeeee!
[23:59] <knome> bluesabre, paw!
[23:59]  * bluesabre begs
[23:59] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[23:59] <flocculant> I wish I could