[06:52] Unit193: ah... the meeting is a hangout? [06:53] bluesabre: morning - and I would guess it is [06:53] anything to do with that community team generally is [06:53] * bluesabre would prefer IRC at this hour [06:54] * flocculant would prefer IRC at any hour - some people are really hard to understand however awake you are :p [06:57] bluesabre: Crap, it is? [06:59] ask dpm - he's probably about in ubuntu-community-team now, if he's not then dholbach will be [07:03] Unit193: can go without video [07:04] bluesabre: This is going to be fun... [07:04] did a time get picked yet? [07:08] Yep, now. [07:08] oh good luck then :p [07:09] Indeed, didn't have time to setup a mic. [07:17] bluesabre: Did I miss anything about any dpkg/apt integration at all? Even most basic levels? [07:18] it's different than apt, doesn't break apt, coexists with apt [07:19] Right, like pip/gems.. [07:26] Unit193: really good question [07:29] bluesabre: Thanks, you had great ones. [07:30] the questions relevant to me :D [07:30] hi folks [07:30] can't be @hangout [07:31] is it still ongoing? [07:31] morning ochosi [07:31] cya all later [07:31] hey ochosi, yes, will link you the youtube link when its done [07:32] (ubuntu snappy meeting, Unit193 and I are there) [07:34] This does seem better than My Apps, which had a horribly slow review queue and required a new upload for every ubuntu release [07:35] I don't know anything of My Apps. [07:35] Wonder how support will be. :3 [07:35] support == user support. [07:40] bluesabre: Hah, just what I was going for. [07:43] :) [07:47] bluesabre: You're awsome, thanks for staying up. Get some good rest. [07:48] ha [07:48] I went to bed and set an alarm [07:48] and now I'll probably go back to bed :D [07:48] ...I just got home in time for it. [07:50] ochosi: they'll probably publish a link to it a bit later [07:50] main takeaways... [07:50] coexists with apt [07:51] snappy apps are launched by ubuntu-snappy-cli [07:51] Basically lives in chroots (squashfs filesystems), is for content providers to get content to end users. [07:51] libraries are contained within the snaps (and in the future may be in separate library snaps) [07:52] updates to the snappy system with be backported to 16.04 as they come along [07:52] *will [07:53] sounds like a pretty good system, and I can see a lot of use cases with it [07:55] Unit193: the old MyApps - https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish/ - biggest problem was things staying in "Awaiting moderation" for months at a time, making it faster to get things into Debian NEW and finding a MOTU to sync it back to Ubuntu :| [07:56] Hah, wow. Niiice. [07:56] and the general issue with having to republish for every ubuntu release you wanted your stuff to be on [07:56] menulibre was there at the beginning :D [07:57] So, might be fun to poke with a stick, I'm not against them, but I don't really see me using them either. [07:57] Yeah, was in extras. [07:57] yup [07:58] its pretty cool for their IOT and embedded devices, I think its something like "snappy deploy $something $ip" to punt an app to a device [07:59] anyway, back to bed for me [07:59] night/morning all [07:59] Not as useful on the desktop, but informative and as I said, not against it. [07:59] bluesabre: Sleep well. [08:35] Suppose that should go on the agenda. [11:35] suspend resumes to black screen. [11:35] and hi Every one! [11:39] Unit193 bluesabre - thanks for going there to see what the crack is with it :) [11:40] Unit193: agenda - might be useful to do that - saves going over the same ground over and over :p [11:40] hi pavlushka [11:41] Hi flocculant !!! :) [11:42] flocculant, what do I do? tested more than 3 times today. [11:43] what do you mean by what do I do? [11:44] suspend resumes to black screen [11:44] report it [11:44] once [11:44] ok [11:45] using ubuntu manual test or LP bug? [11:45] you don't report bugs with the tracker - it's not possible [11:46] you list on the tracker the bug you've reported through launchpad via ubuntu-bug [11:51] pavlushka: is this your system that's got the broken screen that you have to use an external monitor on? [11:51] if that's the case you need to make it plain [11:51] yes [11:52] plain means removing the external monitor? [11:54] no plain means making it obvious that you've got a broken laptop and external monitor in the report [11:55] definitely I will as I did for the previous. [11:55] but thanks for pointing. [11:56] the priority gets hi. [11:56] then wait for responses - no need to keep adding things, changing affected packages [11:56] awee, you got that! [11:57] got what? [11:58] what you said, I did it for a bug. I was just not sure. [11:58] bbl [12:03] ok [14:20] 'lo [14:25] knome_tracker: LOL [14:25] krytarik: what? [14:25] Nothing. :X [14:25] i don't have access to my ssh host as i don't have my private key on my mum's laptop [14:25] ...for a reason [14:26] Hi Xubuntu Dev-Team - The Compton Problem with nVidia Driver over 352.-- is permanent and at 16.04 on AMD ("iommu=soft") + nVidia 970GTX - Install FAILS ! [14:27] compton? [14:27] Coming later back ... [14:27] that's not in the default install [14:27] but its only a tearfree xcomposiotr [14:27] don't get me wrong; i'd like it to work, but is it compton the reason the install is failing? [14:28] no [14:28] what is then? [14:28] have you filed a bug? [14:28] the reason is a problem with usb ("iommu=soft") and AMD Mainboard with iommu hard [14:29] so.. you are adding a kernel boot option and then the installation doesn't work? [14:30] in any case... have you filed a bug? [14:30] Xubuntu 15.10 works fine to Install, but 16.04 can`t start the Nouveau Driver for the Install and writes the message "Live CD working in Progress - working - but hold on" [14:31] Ojn Ubuntu MATE 16.04 there are not this fail [14:31] and Ubuntu 16.04 also have not this fail [14:32] ...have you filed a bug? [14:33] i read about the compton fail with nVidia Driver up to 364.-- (tthere is now another competition about OpenGL - xrender doesn`t work on my machine [14:33] must do now - the prob is - i can`t get a screenshot [14:34] only my hardware constellation i can send you [14:34] that's a start [14:34] but please do not intertwine the compton issue to this [14:34] if it's related, then it's not high priority for us [14:34] working for a long time with xubuntu - it`s the first time i have this failure [14:34] if it's not, it's better not mention it in the bug [14:35] it sounds weird to me that this bug only happens with xubuntu, and it might be hard to reproduce, but... [14:36] understand that compton another point is - excuse for my english, i`m 60 years old and coming from austria - german [14:36] that's ok [14:37] Interessting - Ubuntu-Gnome fails not - but budgie-remix have the same problem [14:37] Elroy: Extending on what knome_tracker just said, did you checksum the image? [14:37] yess [14:37] with gnash and thunar [14:38] i downloaded three times another image - every time the same [14:38] !md5sum | Elroy [14:38] Elroy: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [14:39] okm prob this ... no i`m waiting for a upgrade and driving with version 15.10 without any probs [14:39] thxs for writng and tipps - see you [14:40] Thanks as well. [14:40] Elroy: and please file the bug... :P [14:40] stay only in future with xubuntu - before i have testing for my linux-forum 35 distros, but for playing ist this the best [14:40] make this [14:41] bye [17:37] hi guys ;) I've been away from computers recently. What's new ? We're after the kernel freeze. Do you need more tests ? [17:40] Nairwolf: we always do - but if you want to hang on for a few days - next week will see the start of the release candidate testing fortnight [17:42] flocculant: pfff next week I've been at it 3 days already ;) [17:43] flocculant: okay, I should be able to be present. [17:43] Maybe this week, I will try to help to improve french translations [17:45] davmor2: :) [17:45] davmor2: I just want to double check my triple check before I ask people to test upgrades ... [17:46] flocculant: they work but keep it quiet because someone will break it if you tell them [17:48] yea - that's what my triple check found out :p [17:49] knome: perhaps you could explain some arcane wiki wobblyness - target wiki page does not exist - copy from existing to target - can't do that target exists ... [17:50] * flocculant just put it down to some strangeness that tends to accrue around ubuntu wiki(s) [18:30] evening [18:34] knome: including the back and forth it seems that the team is leaning towards option 2) (10 winners) [18:44] ochosi: good evening :) [19:28] i'm feeling down because no more wittgenstein quotes were exchanged in the thread [19:30] ochosi, in any way time is tight, and now we need to contact more winners [19:30] who's volunteering for that? [19:31] i mean i can do it at latest tomorrow, but if somebody can do it before.. [19:43] knome: I can do that - have any gone out yet at all? [19:43] and any pro-forma mail? [19:44] hey dude - your submission will be in the package we seed with xenial - congrats for thats [19:46] and it's 2 people ... [19:57] flocculant, none gone out [19:57] flocculant, we also need to check the attribution name [19:57] flocculant, especially in cases it isn't clearly something they'd want to be called [19:58] flocculant, maybe we can cowrite it in a pad [19:58] unless you did it already :) [19:58] nope - done nothing as I wasn't sure what had been done [19:58] :D [19:58] nothing was done [19:59] :) [19:59] i'll open a pad [19:59] http://pad.ubuntu.com/xx-wallpaper-winners [20:01] mmm [20:01] having trouble opening the contest site [20:01] mm [20:02] actually i'm thinking we should "TO" these mails to the xubuntu contacts mailing list so we have a sensible archive of the replies [20:03] xubuntu contacts? [20:03] yeah [20:03] no idea wth that is [20:03] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-contacts [20:03] oh one of those private jobs [20:04] it says "only members of the xubuntu team are subscribed to this list" but it means "only xubuntu team members *can* subscribe to this list" [20:04] yep [20:04] (that said, if anybody wants access, feel free to poke me) [20:05] it's not a very exciting list really though [20:05] well [20:05] I'm certainly not going to TO that list and get spammed by moderation messages [20:05] flocculant: FWIW, I remember discussions about when it was created, and since then it has been mentioned several times. :3 [20:06] it mostly has communication with the officially endorsed vendors [20:06] Unit193: possibly I have heard of it - but so infrequently I just *shrug* [20:06] knome: right [20:06] Right, I didn't know I could have access, but I never really checked either. Then again, most of the time I follow via archives. >_> [20:06] and a test email from lyz with the topic "Fruit" [20:06] ha ha [20:06] Hah! [20:06] Unit193, archives are private ;) [20:07] Yes, figured. [20:07] knome: moderating needed [20:07] flocculant, if you want to be subbed, i can do that, or if you rather not get more mail, i can add you to the auto-mod list [20:07] I subbed [20:07] ^^ [20:07] oh ;) [20:08] let's see.. [20:08] didn't think about auto-modding [20:08] approved [20:08] I'll likely unsub later :p [20:08] wfm too [20:08] thanks [20:08] ok - happy to TO that list now :p [20:08] still not getting to the site [20:08] i really don't mind who of the team is subbed, mostly i think most do not need to be subbed.. [20:08] pff :) [20:09] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2016-April/001179.html that can be nice. [20:09] flocculant, let me try something [20:09] read that - mmm - over there in the wall above my head :p [20:09] Unit193: ^^ [20:09] flocculant: Ah, well it's handy, means less delta to Debian. \o/ [20:09] actually i seem to be having trouble with the contest site too [20:10] >__< [20:10] ;) [20:11] bluesabre: what is the latest date for packaging the wallpapers? [20:11] knome: yeah, i'm feeling blue too, no more wittgenstein quotes plus flocculant broke his vow never to bring up the knickers again [20:11] ochosi: well [20:11] yeah, knickers should be left *down* [20:11] mailing list was a new set of knickers :p [20:11] flocculant, able to log in now [20:12] flocculant: well a fresh pair is the least i'd expect! [20:12] knome: nope [20:12] bluesabre, i guess you'd like to push before final freeze? :P [20:12] flocculant, i mean i am.. [20:12] i logged you out from all sessions [20:12] so you can try again now [20:13] ochosi, what kind of scrutiny do you think we should take with unsplash stuff? [20:13] ochosi, does unsplash give any contact addresses for a friendly notification? [20:14] apparently not necessarily [20:14] knome: not that i know of [20:14] i think it's up to the authors [20:14] yep [20:14] all the way up to the authors [20:14] :X [20:15] in there now - nipping out - back soon [20:15] ochosi, plz join the pad and read the last line [20:15] ochosi, and tell me: if no confirmation, will we just expect the details are ok, or boot? [20:16] not sure why we need confirmation for something that is already on a website..? [20:16] so anyway, i wouldn't boot those submissions [20:16] even if unconfirmed [20:17] okay, so just expect details are right [20:17] cause the authors already "confirmed" the details initially on unsplash [20:17] yeah, but some people didn't "get" what attribution means [20:17] so they inserted name of work there [20:18] yeah, but in unsplash it's clear [20:18] yes, but we aren't even talking just about unsplash [20:18] actually we are talking everything BUT unsplash [20:19] :) [20:19] hmmh [20:23] so since we are doing something for archival, should we actually attach (a thumnail of) the submission to the mail so that gets archived too [20:23] instead of relying on some arbitrary urls [20:25] ochosi, you realize 16UTC on sat is less than 24 hours from now? [20:26] i didn't set that time/date :) [20:26] i wrote sunday [20:26] you corrected it to saturday [20:26] "corrected" [20:26] oh, maybe i mistyped then [20:26] hehe [20:26] i mean that can be earlier on sunday [20:26] it all depends when sean is around to upload [20:27] i'm fine with a 24-hour window too [20:27] so likely 21UTC on sat [20:27] but the more time we can give, the better [20:27] yeah, up to bluesabre (or whoever uploads finally) [20:28] maybe greenknife picks up the upload this time [20:29] bluesabre: Get anywhere on thunar? [20:35] Hi every one! [20:35] the dist-upgrade is not supposed to behave like this I think, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15698126/ [20:36] It can. [20:37] then where's the different between "sudo apt-get upgrade & sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ? [20:37] *diffenerce [20:37] dist-upgrade will install new stuff, basically. That can mean something conflicts that you have installed though. [20:39] is code-block conflicting with gcc then? [20:39] ok back again [20:40] flocculant, i'm pretty happy with the mail [20:40] flocculant, needs a bit of tweaking for some bits [20:40] yea just looking for Inglish :p [20:40] flocculant, would probably make sense to rename the files to something other than their original names [20:40] bbabl [20:41] flocculant, and the thumbnail (600x in width, shown in the result overview) should be fine [20:41] actually, that reminds me of something meh [20:43] knome: where are you getting thumbnails from then? [20:43] we need to crop some of the images [20:43] flocculant, right-click the image on the results page, click view image [20:43] gives you for example -> http://contest.xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/squirreledit-600x375.jpg [20:43] aah right [20:44] Unit193, what should I do then? can I fix it with a command or I have to uninstall the held back packages? [20:44] the images that needs cropping are sent by me and ochosi [20:44] so no need to mention that in the mail specifically [20:45] will the contest url for the thumbnail remain? eg use that to grab the image in the mail I send [20:45] or grab it to local and use that [20:45] grab to local and attach to the mail [20:46] the urls will not remain and i don't want to think what url would be static enough [20:46] okey doke [20:46] attaching to mail makes them stick with the info, so it's the best [20:46] might be that moderating is required anyway then though :P [20:46] because file size [20:47] by all you mean including me and ochosi? [20:47] yep [20:47] sure, totally [20:47] wasn't going to originally :) [20:47] what i meant about not needing to mention resolution issues [20:47] is that we know that already and i can do the cropping tomorrow [20:47] yup [20:53] Unit193, a request, if it is possible to suggest anything before I go to sleep. [20:54] knome: happy with that pad? [20:54] Eh? [20:54] flocculant, yeah [20:55] ok - biab then ... [20:55] its 3 am here, I was gonna go sleep but the problem happened. [20:55] flocculant, give me a ping when you've sent them out and i'll make sure they get approved [20:55] flocculant, and for sanity, please send multiple files with the same mail when same submitter :P [20:55] knome: I'll do a real draft of one on the pad first [20:55] just duplicate the appropriate lines [20:55] ack [20:56] knome: yea - I had fully intended to only send one mail when I could :) [20:56] pavlushka: It's not really a big deal, sleep, it'll still be there tomorrow. [20:56] i'm watching a series, but i'm responsive (i can pause easily) [20:56] okey doke [20:56] feeling sleepy, Good night guys! [21:02] knome: this link? https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ [21:02] mhm [21:02] sorry, could have dug it up [21:04] np [21:04] knome: check the pad please [21:05] flocculant, let's not use the url at all [21:05] submission one [21:05] see pad [21:05] I am :) [21:05] because the url is gone in a few weeks [21:06] flocculant, ah, you're right [21:07] let me see the naming convention [21:07] i mean [21:07] http://contest.xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/squirreledit-600x375.jpg [21:07] let's use a name that will be the final name *in the package* [21:07] well [21:07] right [21:07] maybe you are right indeed [21:07] actually that's not the case rename [21:07] re name [21:07] it's called [21:08] this is indeed best [21:08] (in pad) [21:08] home/wolf/blah :p [21:08] so basically you want to remove -xxx-xxx from the filename [21:08] yup [21:08] ok - cool - thanks [21:08] yeah, you're absolutely right, it makes most sense this way [21:08] my bad :P [21:09] also [21:09] ok - I'll go with that now [21:09] no! [21:09] :P [21:09] the () stuff in attribution and name of work [21:09] are intended to be sent to recipients [21:10] what? [21:10] see pad again [21:11] maybe we can group the lines better [21:11] yea - the submission bit makes sense [21:11] it makes for attribution too [21:11] if you look at the winning submissiond [21:11] the attribution one is just what they said in the first place [21:11] for one of them, the author clearly misunderstood the attribution field [21:12] yellowjacket [21:12] yeah [21:12] you mean :) [21:12] and since many are "Untitled", we want the author(s) to be able to name their work now [21:12] if they want [21:13] yea that makes more sense now [21:14] is your nick "ochosi" on the pad? [21:14] :P [21:14] mine? [21:14] oh no [21:14] i only saw me and him on the nick list before i refreshed :D [21:14] :) [21:15] yep, i'm fine with that now [21:15] ok - biab then :) [21:15] as long as all the content that is there goes through, the formatting is more or less minutiae [21:15] yea [21:16] I'll bold the 'incorrect' line in the one I send out [21:17] :D [21:22] hahah, in the queue [21:22] ;) [21:29] flocculant, oops [21:30] (nvm) [21:30] sorry pleia2 - didn't see knome's random line in the middle of the drag and drop ... [21:30] that [21:30] nvm... [21:33] ochosi: really the elfenbeint address? [21:33] knome: ^^ cos he's off doing dad stuff :) - xfce.org address? [21:34] flocculant, PM :) [21:38] knome: mmm so for ones that are sourced from unsplash or something and obviously not photo's on a local drive should we put the source url in the mail? [21:38] I guess given it's 2 specific people doesn't hurt [21:39] i would still attach them the same way as others [21:39] we can't depend on unsplash either [21:39] I will attach thumbnails ofc [21:39] right, yeah [21:39] you can add the source URL too [21:39] indeed [21:39] Original source of the photo: [21:40] I'm putting [21:40]