[01:00] <pfifo> Hello everyone
[01:01] <pfifo> what is a good way to be notified when its released?
[01:02] <pfifo> Id like to begin my upgrade on release day
[01:02] <pfifo> ( I have not formatted or reinstalled since release day 14.04 :D )
[01:03] <bitshifter> Hi, I have a question about the new install option to "disable secure boot" to allow the installation of 3rd party drivers.
[01:03] <bitshifter>  Is this only available at install time?
[01:03] <bitshifter>  Once installed if you haven't checked this option there's no way to install 3rd party stuff ever again?
[01:33] <jonathan_zz> pfifo: release date is already known but I guess you could subscribe to some ubuntu-announce list.
[01:34] <pfifo> ohh, I didnt see it anywhere
[01:37] <jonathan_zz> april 21st
[02:19] <AlecTaylor> Hold up, does `ls -alR` no longer show the contents of a symbolic linked directory?
[02:27] <flocculant> pfifo: if you did decide to upgrade on the day - it's likely to take some time to grab packages, after waiting for things to propogate, then the upgrade starts and it is 2 am and you miss the call to answer - then wake up and assume all went well and it just hung - and rebooted and you shouldn't have
[02:28] <flocculant> much much better to not panic and wait a day or two - or if you *can* do so early and actually test that the upgrade is working as expected :)
[02:28] <flocculant> then you just need to apt update/upgrade
[02:29] <pfifo> flocculant: i use debootstrap, and really take ubuntu in my own direction.
[02:29] <pfifo> :)
[02:30] <flocculant> cool
[02:30] <flocculant> not sure why you'd ask then  ;)
[02:35] <pfifo> ahh, back in '14 I was asking and waiting and asking, then all of a sudden it caught me by suprise
[02:36] <pfifo> just happend to look on release day after giving it a break for a week or so
[02:45] <flocculant> oic
[02:46] <flocculant> so - yea sometime on release *day* it will release
[02:47] <flocculant> ofc the day can be longer than a random normal person's day :)
[03:39] <snadge> version of heimdall that comes wtih 16.04 sucks :p
[03:40] <snadge> had to build it from source.. the repo for it complains because apt sign changes
[04:55] <Madhumper69> is   4.4.6-040406-generic latest kernel? where can i go to see what is latests kernel? i cant seem to find any hits on google?
[04:55] <Madhumper69> for 16.04LTS
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: ^
[05:04] <Madhumper69> then why do i ahve 4.4.6?
[05:04] <Madhumper69> thank you btw
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: upgraded or clean install?
[05:07] <Madhumper69> i did upgrade i know i installed 4.4.6 but it said it was latests ubuntu kernel for 16.04lts i guess its not really accurate? im new to ubuntu so im not an expert but am getting alot better with time.
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: i mean did you upgrade from a previous ubuntu version?
[05:09] <Madhumper69> no fresh install of 16.04 and upgraded manually the kernel few days ago
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: try a sudo dist-upgrade ?
[05:10] <Madhumper69> yeah, no updates available all good
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: downloaded the daily or beta2 ?
[05:11] <Madhumper69> i dont recall i installed few days or weeks ago... its fully updated i believe and i installed a kernel manually but all is workign fine
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: why did you upgrade kernel manually?
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: paste uname -a plz?
[05:13] <Madhumper69> Linux server-OptiPlex-390 4.4.6-040406-generic #201603161231 SMP Wed Mar 16 16:33:41 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:14] <Madhumper69> Distributor ID: Ubuntu / Description:    Ubuntu Xenial Xerus (development branch) / Release:        16.04 / Codename:       xenial
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> weird, your on ubuntu server?
[05:15] <Madhumper69> no
[05:16] <Madhumper69> is this kernel from 15.10 or 15.04 lol? wouldnt it go crazy with errors on 16.04lts i know this is 16.04 for sure
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: you sure you didnt upgrade from 15.10?
[05:16] <Madhumper69> im pretty sure
[05:16] <Madhumper69> i installed a kernel manually not through ppa
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: any reason you installed kernel manually?
[05:17] <Madhumper69> cuase when i did dist-upgrade nothing would happen i had 0 updates upgrades etc..
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: from where did you grab iso?
[05:18] <Madhumper69> and from a google search i knew i could get updated kernel maybe it was 4.4.0 at its latests and all was good
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TBOOK:~$ uname -a
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> Linux R00TBOOK 4.4.0-17-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 29 17:17:28 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> this is what kernel should look like on daily
[05:19] <Madhumper69> i grabbed iso from http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> ah beta2
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: i would suggest daily
[05:19] <Madhumper69> yes 16.04lts
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: look at the topic for daily iso's
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: or wait on your beta2 for final release
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> like you wish
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> !final
[05:21] <Madhumper69> im confused... so basicly u have 16.04lts and i to but you have 4.0 and i am 4.4.6 ? where is daily iso's topic?
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: type /topic
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> daily builds:..
[05:22] <Madhumper69> ohh ok
[05:22] <Madhumper69> so whats the difference with daily builds and beta 2
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: daily builds get daily iso latest
[05:23] <Madhumper69> are you trying to tell me to reinstall?
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: i would try to reinstall a daily yes, depending of what you need of course
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: we are still in developing phase right
[05:24] <Madhumper69> right, well all i did is install this kernel nothing is broke...
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: well regular updates/upgrades should get you to latest kernel, no need for manual
[05:25] <Madhumper69> i dont think i want to reinstall everything to much work , my apache plex and ntfs sharing samba confs and networking was a nightmare lol
[05:25] <Madhumper69> ok so with this kernel if i have no issues im ok? is it bad?
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: ok wait until final then, see what happens
[05:26] <Madhumper69> ok
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: tried a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[05:35] <Madhumper69> yeah all is updated no more updates all 0;s
[05:35] <Madhumper69> 0's
[05:35] <Madhumper69> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> strange
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> Madhumper69: you could try to enter grub, see what other kernels showup your list
[05:37] <Madhumper69> i manually installed a kernel i could always install another and remove the one... but my question is wouldnt a different kernel make my unit go crazy with errors?
[05:37] <Madhumper69> i removed them once i knew this one worked lol
[06:34] <ubuntu022> Trying to apt update xenial is throwing a lot of errors. Any pointers on how to fix this? (Behind a proxy btw)
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu022: disable your proxy?
[06:37] <ubuntu022> Can't. Thats the only path to the internet.
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu022: well its not ubuntu's fault your behind a proxy right?
[06:39] <ubuntu022> Oh ok then.
[07:23] <jushur> ubuntu022: cant see why a proxy should give you troubles? you are properly setting (glbaly) it before you run the apt commands?
[08:07] <Xard> seems like in xenial the "systemctl enable/disable sshd" doesn' quite work as expected
[08:08] <Xard> it should act as redirection to ssh, I get that but trying to enable or disable the redirection removes permanently the link files and stops working completely wihtout manual fixing of symlinks ;<
[08:39] <uebera||> Hi! There's no mariadb-galera-server package for Xenial (it's said that only starting with v10.1 the server package includes this functionality, but Xenial only has v10.0) and "/usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'wsrep_provider=/usr/lib/galera/libgalera_smm.so'" tells me something is missing. What to install? Wily packages?
[09:11] <freaj> Xard: perhaps the packages should be upgraded to systemd..
[09:20] <Xard> freaj: that might be it as "systemctl enable/disable ssh" doesn't seem to work as expected either, though it doesn't seem to remove permanently anything
[09:21] <freaj> Xard: I've been on arch for years, and it's sad to see that, even in 2016 now, when you systemctl enable something, it uses sysv in the background
[09:21] <freaj> though I dunno if ssh on ubuntu is providing a .service or not
[09:22] <Xard> i've used years of rhel and fedora systems with systemd so I kind of expected things to work as they do usually with systemd :\
[09:22] <freaj> but on arch everything was using systemd :P
[09:22] <freaj> Yeah me too
[09:22] <Xard> though now fedora is such a mess in desktop I just had to leave :<
[09:22] <freaj> But I can't complain, I'm using ubuntu
[09:22] <freaj> I've never used fedora for desktop (or anything), I only tried in a VM
[09:23] <freaj> I was tired of playing bob the builder with my system (arch) so I wanted a stable distro, but fedora seems to have a tiny package list compared to ubuntu
[09:23] <Xard> fedora has been very awesome as desktop but lately the hostility towards nvidia binary users just got unbearable
[09:23] <freaj> + the LTS release cycle
[09:24] <freaj> Well, it is understandable, fedora has only free/open source software except for the kernel
[09:25] <Xard> rpm fusion has been the source of nvidia support but lately the support and updates have been sparse
[09:25] <Xard> also I maintain centos / rhel servers and thanks to my fedora experience the transition to the systemd wasn't that painful
[09:25] <freaj> but regarding systemd, even debian is shitty on that part
[09:26] <freaj> I maintain debian servers
[09:26] <freaj> And I was used to systemd (like.. a lot)
[09:26] <Xard> debian is largely unknown to me :<
[09:26] <freaj> So I wanted systemd on my servers as well, writing unit files is cool and easy
[09:26] <Xard> but that doesn't mean i'm unwilling to learn
[09:26] <freaj> but when I saw the systemd integration in debian, I wanted to cry
[09:27] <ratrace> freaj: what's wrong with it, other than the fact that logging out of SSH leaves you hangin'
[09:27] <Xard> I got to confess that the state beta of the xenial lts on the desktop has been miles above what i expected
[09:27] <ratrace> (which was fixed upstream like years ago)
[09:27] <freaj> ratrace: with what?
[09:27] <ratrace> systemd on debian
[09:27] <freaj> ratrace: oh, systemctl wasn't responding, the API timeouted many many times
[09:28] <freaj> It was fixed after some time in debian tho
[09:28] <ratrace> ah.
[09:28] <Xard> only snag i had is with installing first time to a GPT partition as I didn't know about the efi partition and the installer wasn't that helpful either as i needed a custom partition layout
[09:28] <freaj> I had to run a lot of services and systemd was hanging
[09:28] <ratrace> speaking of which, I'm missing menus in some apps, like Libre Office Calc, in 16.04. Anyone else has that issue?
[09:29] <freaj> Xard: I'm mostly an old school person heh, I'm struggling with silly issues as well
[09:29] <Xard> this is the first time i'm using something else than MBR
[09:29] <freaj> ratrace: I'm using ubuntu gnome but I'll tell you
[09:29] <freaj> Xard: wow
[09:29] <Xard> but MBR only supports disks to was it 2TB or so
[09:29] <freaj> np for me ratrace :/
[09:30] <Xard> ratrace: do you mean the top bar menus?
[09:30] <freaj> I'm using linux on a macbook, I have to deal with EFI
[09:30] <freaj> But it's surprising because it works out of the box now
[09:30] <ratrace> freaj: I had that few days ago for almost all the app as well but an update came and fixed it... except for Libre Office it seems.
[09:30] <ratrace> Xard: yeah
[09:30] <freaj> (just have to install grub in efi and it magically works)
[09:30] <ratrace> *all the apps
[09:31] <Xard> I'm using osx on my macbook but it hides all the details so i wasn't aware of the gpt boot requirements
[09:31] <Xard> ratrace: I had that for some applications, had to log out to fix it :/
[09:31] <freaj> I don't know how to use osx
[09:32] <Xard> freaj: actually i got to the unix world with osx back in 2003
[09:32] <ratrace> Xard: logout login eh.... thanks I'll try
[09:32] <freaj> ratrace: maybe you will have another update soon? :P
[09:32] <Xard> ratrace: sorry i don't have any more specific help as i haven't encountered it again since
[09:32] <freaj> Xard: heh, I got to the unix world with windows! windows were blocked at boot (vista) and I didn't have enough money to fix that, a friend told me to try mandriva
[09:33] <ratrace> freaj: yeah, hopefully .)
[09:33] <freaj> windows was blocked*
[09:33] <Xard> freaj: but bash in osx works quite the same x)
[09:34] <Xard> freaj: mandriva was my first linux distrubution and oh boy I had some issues with it
[09:34] <freaj> I'd use osx if I wasn't doubting regarding all these proprietary softwares
[09:34] <freaj> I still have my 8.10 ubuntu disk!
[09:35] <Xard> i'm using osx on laptops now as they are solid rock stable systems with vendor hardware support, can't say the same for generic x86 laptops especially when using linux sadly :(
[09:35] <Xard> I still have my ppc macbook from 2003 and it works
[09:35] <freaj> Once you know how to deal with some issues with linux on macbooks, you're good to go
[09:35] <Xard> even the batter hasn't died
[09:35] <freaj> macbooks are really one of the bests machine to work with
[09:36] <Xard> at work I have a new generation mac pro and oh boy is it unstable :<
[09:36] <Xard> couple of crashes every week
[09:36] <freaj> I only have one machine tho
[09:36] <Xard> thanks ati / amd ;<
[09:36] <freaj> from 2012
[09:36] <freaj> with the retina displays, you can't repair your computer anymore, you can't change the ram etc :(
[09:37] <Xard> the newer macbooks have really bad keyboards though :(
[09:37] <freaj> the slim buttons keyboard?
[09:37] <Xard> yeah
[09:37] <freaj> I wonder how you can type fast with that, I'd be annoyed
[09:38] <Xard> the older macbook pro I used back in 2006 had exceptionally good flat keyboard
[09:38] <freaj> My only current issue is that when I close my macbook's lid, the screen stays on
[09:38] <freaj> oh! the fancy white keyboards <3
[09:39] <Xard> on regular pc it's either buckling springs or mx-blue or gtfo when it comes to keyboards x)
[09:39] <Xard> i'm really glad that the mechanical keyboards have made a comeback
[09:39] <freaj> Actually, before the macbook, I had an "awesome" laptop, like, it was easy to repair, the keyboard/screen was nice
[09:40] <freaj> But there is always something bad, bad battery, noisy, etc
[09:40] <freaj> I have to confess
[09:40] <freaj> I don't like mechanical keyboards
[09:41] <freaj> :(
[09:41] <Xard> no problem :D
[09:41] <Xard> they are heavy and need a proper wrist rest or are pretty much unusable
[09:42] <Xard> also these clicky keyboards make some noise and the clicky switches can have some durability issues
[09:43] <Xard> and the broken switches can cause furiously annoying random key repeats
[09:44] <freaj> I really don't understand how people can type fast with emchanical keyboards
[09:44] <freaj> I'm like "ew you have to press deep!"
[09:44] <Xard> buckling spring switches seem to be virtually indestructible though x)
[09:45] <freaj> Xard: why be on a linux desktop btw?
[09:45] <freaj> why not stay with osx?
[09:46] <Xard> I have multiple reasons
[09:46] <freaj> I'm really concerned about privacy :/
[09:46] <Xard> but a technical one is that with nvidia i can have 10 performance with single budget card in blender compared really expensive top of the line I7
[09:47] <Xard> and apple doesn't offer nvidia solutions on desktops anymore
[09:48] <Xard> which means tha with linux desktop i have the freedom of choosing my hardware
[09:48] <Xard> for older mac pro desktops where you can install custom display cards they can cost up to 1500 euros
[09:49] <freaj> oh, right
[09:50] <Xard> http://xard.mbnet.fi/r2014-4k.jpg :3
[09:50] <freaj> so you draw?
[09:51] <Xard> no, that's 3d model
[09:51] <freaj> oh okay
[09:51] <freaj> that's.. creative
[09:52] <Xard> i just mentioned that the cuda acceleration in blender makes things quite much faster in blender x)
[09:56] <Xard> besides programming, server maintenance I do bit this and that as computer hobby and linux desktop has actually suited for my needs quite well
[10:02] <Xard> i guess i have to *knock on wood* so far with the 16.04 lts
[10:08] <Xard> freaj: yeah, you mentioned about privacy and sadly that's a very good reason nowadays :<
[10:14] <ratrace> yay, updates! rebooty time!
[10:15] <Xard> when it comes to backups is there a sure way to tar root and only root without filesystem mounts and such to package which can be extracted to another drive / partition and and can be used after tweaking /etc/fstab and installing grub with chroot again?
[10:16] <Xard> findmnt gives quite good picture of what to not include
[10:17] <freaj> Xard: usually you can ignore /sys and /dev
[10:17] <Xard> when it comes to /sys /dev /proc and /run the directories still need to be there as they serve as mounting points and have to have proper rights (and context?)
[10:18] <Xard> i'm used working with selinux enabled :>
[10:19] <Xard> can i just include the folder/path without any content from it using tar?
[10:25] <freaj> Xard: I guess you can add exclude folders :P
[10:25] <freaj> Anyway I'm out for the day, have a nice day!
[10:25] <Xard> see ya
[10:39] <varaindemian> Can we talk about something similar to Arch's AUR in the next ubuntu release (16.04)?
[10:39] <ratrace> varaindemian: you mean like PPAs?
[10:40] <varaindemian> yeah, will they make things somehow "easier"?
[10:40] <ratrace> your question is too vague. easier for what and whom?
[10:41] <varaindemian> to create and share your own packages
[10:41] <ratrace> well PPAs have existed for very long time, it's nothing novel for 16.04.
[10:44] <varaindemian> why would I pick PPAs over AUR?
[10:44] <Xard> ratrace: by the way did reboot/relog fix the menu issue?
[10:44] <ratrace> Xard: did so.
[10:45] <ratrace> Xard: so I wonder if it's something that appears on first application start, a config gets written somewhere, and then on next login the menus are normally available. If so, perhaps it's a bug to be reported.
[10:45] <Xard> ratrace: did you enable the "always show menus" option?
[10:45] <ratrace> Yeah.
[10:45] <Xard> so did i
[10:46] <Xard> that might be a good bug report target
[10:46] <ratrace> Had that from the first installation.
[10:46] <ratrace> I'll report it. Worst case, it'll be closed as notabug :)
[10:46] <Xard> It makes things almost like in osx so i'm familiar with showing the menus
[10:46] <Xard> sure, thanks for the effort :3
[10:47] <Xard> though it's bit awkward that the application names get faded out and the file menus isn't just concatenated after the application name :/
[10:47] <ratrace> Xard: the only problem is, I don't know which fixed it. re-login or updates. Because I log out only to reboot after updates. I suspend the machine when I'm away.
[10:48] <Xard> I guess fading the application name creates some consistency but it looks bad
[10:49] <Xard> ratrace: from my experience i'd bet on restarting unity which also happens when relogging
[10:49] <ratrace> Xard: probably, since this wave of updates was about the boost lib and new kernel, nothing related directly to unity.
[10:50] <Xard> I don't know how unity can be restarted yet, but I think the common thing in here is that the menus start not appearing after the "always show menus is enabled"
[10:50] <Xard> I don't know about ubuntu yet, but at least on fedora the updates also had links to descriptions what actually was fixed
[10:51] <Xard> i understand that the ubuntu is more consumer oriented and doesn't bother user with such details but still
[10:51] <ratrace> there are descriptions in the updater window/gui, but in this case I used command line apt-get so I didn't pay attention.
[10:52] <ratrace> oh wait, there was something qt related so it's still possible the update fixed it.
[10:56] <ratrace> https://dpaste.de/hUnN
[11:01] <Xard> only thing i could find with a quick glance was: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/1561781
[11:01] <Xard> and it's not directly related though is similiar issue
[11:01] <Xard> so i think it's safe to report it
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:15] <thunfisch> hey, build my own preseed iso for xenial server. only hangup left is the question if i want to continue with a incomplete installer language - how do i supress that?
[12:23] <thunfisch> ah, needed to pass localechooser/translation/warn-light=true and warn-severe=true in bootloader append.
[14:51] <bjornar> How do I reload apparmor profiles after dropping a /etc/apparmor.d file?
[16:03] <Oderus> hi. having a couple of problems with SDDM in Kubuntu 16.04; firstly, my mouse theme does not show up in SDDM only the default, despite being on and customized, although it used to work. Also, in keyboard settings I had it set to have numblock on automatically but this also never happens which is frustrating.
[16:04] <Oderus> Thirdly, when i boot up and log in, my volume meter is a blank space in the task bar, unless i log out and re log in, then it appears. Any help with these issues is appreciated. thanks!
[16:13] <Oderus1> sorry i had to restart my network, questions still stand
[16:14] <ChibaPet> Oderus1: Can you restate? I can in to get the release schedule link, but I'll be here for a bit.
[16:14] <ChibaPet> Came in*
[16:15] <Oderus1> hi. having a couple of problems with SDDM in Kubuntu 16.04; firstly, my mouse theme does not show up in SDDM only the default, despite being on and customized, although it used to work. Also, in keyboard settings I had it set to have numblock on automatically but this also never happens which is frustrating.
[16:15] <Oderus1> Thirdly, when i boot up and log in, my volume meter is a blank space in the task bar, unless i log out and re log in, then it appears. Any help with these issues is appreciated. thanks!
[16:18] <ChibaPet> Hrm. Unfortunately, this is all software I don't use - I'd strongly recommend asking on one of the mailing lists. There's less luck of the draw involved with who sees the question, and there are some very smart people on the lists.
[16:18] <ChibaPet> And now is the time, with release imminent.
[17:35] <marus> on daily, the network interfaces have new names?
[17:38] <jonathan_zz> marus: the systemd thing you mean right.
[17:38] <jonathan_zz> marus: enp0_s25 or whatever
[17:38] <marus> system is new to 16.04
[17:38] <marus> yes
[17:38] <marus> systemd
[17:38] <jonathan_zz> you can turn it off somewhere
[17:39] <jonathan_zz> but it's a bit troublesome to remember
[17:40] <marus> it will still with this names, or will the normal names (eth0, wlan0) be back after final?
[17:41] <jonathan_zz> this should do it:   ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-setup-link.rules
[17:41] <jonathan_zz> will stay
[17:41] <jonathan_zz> it is for servers that have multiple nics
[17:42] <jonathan_zz> the kernel is not always reliable in giving it the same names always
[17:42] <jonathan_zz> so on some systems eth0 and eth1 would swap ocassionally
[17:42] <jonathan_zz> but if that is no issue you it you can turn it off this way
[17:43] <marus> jonathan_z: so the symbolic link will only show off old names?
[17:43] <marus> and all new ubuntu version will have the new names
[17:43] <marus> thats awsome
[17:43] <jonathan_zz> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[17:44] <jonathan_zz> yes
[17:44] <marus> okay thanks jonathan_z ;-)
[17:44] <jonathan_zz> I'm zz, I'm sleeping ;-).
[17:45] <jonathan_zz> I don't like the thing at all and feel it should be off by default.
[17:45] <jonathan_zz> there is a provision though to map it to names you like
[17:46] <jonathan_zz> but at the very least a default mapping to eth0 should exist
[17:47] <Xard> hmm, seems like by default firewall ufw isn't enabled
[17:47] <marus> that's would be better
[17:47] <marus> because my wlan0 new name is like wlx00259c96cafb
[17:47] <marus> for a desktop, that doesn't help to much
[17:49] <ratrace> marus: systemd was introduced in Ubuntu with 15.04, not 16.04
[18:02] <marus> ratrace: thanks, i havn't had time to try 15.04
[18:03] <marus> but good to know that it was already at 15.04
[18:04] <marus> and i thing i should always use systemctl rather then service ..?
[18:04] <ratrace> marus: well it's native, and service is wrapped by systemctl, so...
[19:07] <jonathan_zz> I would always prefer service
[19:08] <jonathan_zz> systemctl makes no sensen
[19:08] <jonathan_zz> sense
[19:10] <jonathan_zz> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-April/036172.html ;-).
[19:10] <jonathan_zz> My message on systemd predictable network names :p.
[20:19] <bjornar> How is xenial loading the apparmor profile?
[20:20] <bjornar> I mean, no apparmor tools are installed, but profiles are, so what tools are used and from where? is this kernel handleing this?
[21:55] <marcony> hello, i have a problem.in my country some of betting sites like bet365.com is blocking.maybe somebody can help me? how i can to enter in? maybe there is something like pirat browsers?
[21:57] <k1l> marcony: please dont crosspost in all ubuntu channels. in here its for the 16.04 ubuntu version
[21:59] <marcony> k1l, copy that
[23:23] <nauticalnexus> Hello, I'm having issues upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04. I keep getting an error that won't allow me to upgrade.
[23:23] <k1l> nauticalnexus: which error?
[23:24] <nauticalnexus> k1l: I'll paste it somewhere please hold on
[23:24] <k1l> paste.ubuntu.com
[23:25] <nauticalnexus> k1l: https://paste.ubuntu.com/15725661/
[23:26] <braderhart> In Ubuntu 16.04 Beta 2 my external display shows as disconnected. Doesn't happen in earlier versions... can someone please help me gather the necessary information for a bug report?
[23:26] <k1l> nauticalnexus: does it stop after that?
[23:27] <nauticalnexus> k1l: yes.
[23:27] <k1l> nauticalnexus: you could try to change to the main servers. in your system settings
[23:27] <nauticalnexus> k1l: how so? Should I also mention I'm using GNOME?
[23:28] <k1l> nauticalnexus: software-properties-gtk
[23:29] <nauticalnexus> k1l: then what
[23:30] <k1l> "change to main servers"
[23:30] <nauticalnexus> oh yeah, sorry.
[23:30] <nauticalnexus> I'll try that. Hopefully it'll work
[23:32] <nauticalnexus> k1l: same error
[23:33] <nauticalnexus> is it not available for those that use English GB?
[23:34] <k1l> sure it is. but there seems to be an synciing issue with some packages.
[23:34] <k1l> but i am going to bed now. bye
[23:35] <nauticalnexus> oh okay, bye