[00:59] <Fudge> gnome 3.20 working well on xenial
[01:52] <DaniKitten> Hello?
[01:52] <Fudge> hi
[01:53] <DaniKitten> I want the Ubuntu 16.04! But... when is the realase?
[01:54] <DaniKitten> *release
[01:54] <krytarik> !16.04
[01:55] <DaniKitten> yeah
[01:55] <DaniKitten> Is soon
[01:55] <DaniKitten> I prefer the LTS releases
[01:56] <DaniKitten> But I expect will not run on my netbook
[01:56] <DaniKitten> So, I'm waiting the Lubuntu 16.04
[04:12] <koudelkaa> I
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> koudelkaa: can we help you?
[04:22] <koudelkaa> I just wanted to report a possible package error
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> koudelkaa: whats going on mate?
[04:23] <koudelkaa> librocksdb package in ubuntu 16.04 seems to not be portable
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> koudelkaa: is it a part of another package?
[04:24] <koudelkaa> no it's just a c++ library
[04:24] <koudelkaa> I use it for one of my projects
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> !find librocksdb
[04:25] <koudelkaa> my program couldn't run, illegal instruction error when I run it, after debugging i found that rocksdb was the source
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> koudelkaa: did you install from repos, or ppa?
[04:25] <koudelkaa> if i compile and install rocksdb from source it works, so I think something is wrong with the ubuntu supplied version
[04:25] <koudelkaa> repos
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> !info rocksdb
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> koudelkaa: exact packagename?
[04:26] <koudelkaa> the make file for rocksdb will compile a non portable version, I think the build script might not have enabled PORTABLE=1
[04:26] <koudelkaa> so it's compiled to the build server cpu instructions
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> koudelkaa: did you clean install 16.04 or upgrade?
[04:27] <koudelkaa> librocksdb-dev - persistent Key-Value Store for Flash and RAM Storage (development)
[04:27] <koudelkaa> librocksdb4.1 - persistent Key-Value Store for Flash and RAM Storage
[04:27] <koudelkaa> librocksdb-dev - persistent Key-Value Store for Flash and RAM Storage (development)
[04:27] <koudelkaa> librocksdb4.1 - persistent Key-Value Store for Flash and RAM Storage
[04:27] <koudelkaa> librocksdb-dev - persistent Key-Value Store for Flash and RAM Storage (development)
[04:27] <koudelkaa> librocksdb4.1 - persistent Key-Value Store for Flash and RAM Storage
[04:27] <koudelkaa> librocksdb-dev - persistent Key-Value Store for Flash and RAM Storage (development)
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> !info librocksdb4.1
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> !info librocksdb-dev
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> wth..
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> apt-cache search shows it..weird
[04:30] <koudelkaa> I got a clean install, not upgrade
[04:49] <geenie> !find libperl.so
[04:51] <G__81> Hi I am using Ubuntu 16.04 beta 2 with everything up to date. The issue i see is that, when i open gnome-terminal and i have multiple tabs open, the current one does not get highlighted properly. In the default gnome there is an underline but in ubuntu unity its quite difficult to find out which is the current tab. Is there any solution to highlight that ?
[04:52] <G__81> In 14.04 the current tab gets highlighted better but with the current unity its hard to find out which is the present tab if its Tab 1 or Tab 2 etc
[04:52] <G__81> is there any solution/workaround for this problem ?
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> G__81: how do you open new tab?
[04:53] <G__81> Ctrl+Shift+T
[04:54] <G__81> and when i go to lets tab 1 and then i want to move to Tab2, i do use Alt+1, 2 etc but when you look @ the screen, its hard to find out on which tab i am presently on
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> G__81: yep just tested that, doesnt highlight
[04:55] <G__81> If i use the Ubuntu Gnome 16.04, it gets highlighted beautifully with a blue line + the tab look also is much better where in you can easily find out which is the current one
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> !bug | G__81
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> G__81: just tested a tail into a tab, no highlight on a working session neither
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> G__81: file a new bug mate
[04:58] <G__81> lotuspsychje: ok sure would do that
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> G__81: perhaps add a screenshot of the situation + story
[04:59] <G__81> would this get fixed or is it too late for the final ? :)
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> G__81: its never too late for bugs, even after final release bug will stream in..
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> G__81: not sure if this will get fixxed 'before' final, 2 weeks to go :p
[05:00] <G__81> ok i hope this gets fixed before final
[05:00] <G__81> should be simple to fix it i believe as they use the same software from upstream
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> G__81: might be an idea to test other terminal packages
[05:01] <G__81> yeah true
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> G__81: lemme reboot real quick after xenial update holdon
[05:01] <geenie> Anyone installed xenial with LVM?
[05:02] <G__81> okl sure
[05:02] <G__81> ok sure*
[05:04] <G__81> lotuspsychje: any luck ?
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> G__81: no, still the same
[05:05] <G__81> hmm thats bad :(
[05:05] <G__81> against which component should i file this bug, gnome-terminal ?
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah sudo ubuntu-bug gnome-terminal
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> if you create, ill add me as affected also
[05:07] <G__81> sure i get a dialox box where it has collected some info
[05:08] <G__81> now where do i describe the issue that i face?
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> geenie: we had some users with issues with lvm lately here
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> G__81: after it redirects you to launchpad bugs, you can add own text at bottom
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> G__81: where you can explain the story
[05:08] <G__81> oh ok got it
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> G__81: you can share the bug url here, when done
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> geenie: can you explain whats happening?
[05:15] <G__81> lotuspsychje: yeah will do that
[05:19] <G__81> lotuspsychje: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1568451
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> G__81: ty, ill add me affected
[05:20] <G__81> yeah that would be great
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> G__81: nicely described mate, tnx for filing
[05:21] <G__81> lotuspsychje: thanks a lot for your  help
[05:21] <G__81> lotuspsychje: yeah thanks :)
[05:23] <G__81> have also added the screenshot
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> G__81: added comment also
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> G__81: i guess beta2 sticks to your .15 kernel?
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> G__81: did you try a dist-upgrade also<?
[05:25] <G__81> lotuspsychje: i didnt try dist-upgrade ?
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> G__81: can you try please?
[05:25] <G__81> yeah running that now
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> G__81: just to see if beta2 stays on your kernel
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> G__81: im on daily iso
[05:26] <G__81> lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu Xenial Xerus (development branch) Release:	16.04 Codename:	xenial
[05:26] <G__81> this is what i see
[05:26] <G__81> lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu Xenial Xerus (development branch) Release:	16.04 Codename:	xenial
[05:26] <G__81> uname -a Linux bg-workstation 4.4.0-15-generic #31-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:08:31 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> G__81: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:27] <G__81> yeah thats already done now running dist-upgrade
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> G__81: cool
[05:27] <G__81> will reboot after dist-upgrade and let you know
[05:27] <geenie> All my commands need root for working or else i get a dpkg error why so?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> G__81: tnx
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> !lvm | geenie did you step into this tutorial?
[05:33] <G__81> lotuspsychje: still the same
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> G__81: uname -a ?
[05:33] <G__81> uname -a Linux bg-workstation 4.4.0-18-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 6 14:01:02 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> G__81: ah beta2 gets to latest also great
[05:34] <G__81> yeah i downloaded beta 2 and installed it on my system and then got everything updated
[05:35] <G__81> lotuspsychje: is this a channel only for ubuntu with unity or even with gnome ?
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> G__81: all xenial flavors
[05:36] <G__81> oh i feel ubuntu gnome is miles ahead in terms of work flow and polish
[05:36] <G__81> just my opinion
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> G__81: can you test another theme plz?
[05:37] <G__81> ok i have now moved to the other theme
[05:37] <G__81> i dont see anything significant change with the other one also
[05:38] <G__81> shouldnt we see a blue line under the current tab?
[05:38] <G__81> since ubuntu is using gnome shell
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> G__81: higlight is working on high contrast
[05:40] <G__81> oh
[05:40] <G__81> i didnt test that
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> G__81: and active tab is showing roundings on other themes
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> G__81: so i guess it wasnt really a bug
[05:40] <G__81> yes its working
[05:40] <G__81> why it was not a bug ?
[05:41] <G__81> its still not working with the default theme right?
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> G__81: because your active tab shows real thin lines
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> G__81: thats why its confusing
[05:41] <G__81> so thats how it would be ?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> G__81: yeah i thinks thats meant to be, but np your bug might make the devs look into it
[05:42] <G__81> yeah they should fix that else its difficult for me to use Unity as for me its the terminal that matters :)
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> G__81: just tested on terminator also, working much better there
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> the tab gets white there
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> others grey out
[05:43] <G__81> oh good
[05:43] <G__81> and is there a way to change Alt+Tab behavior in 16.04 release ?
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> not sure
[05:44] <G__81> ok
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> !hotkeys | G__81
[05:49] <Fudge> lotuspsychje:  hard to get used to just using apt instead of apt-get
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: ?
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> raul: http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-linux-32-bit-iso-images-are-up-for-discussion-again-499754.shtml
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> raul: not sure if they will keep 32bit lightweight flavors yet...to be continued
[06:14] <raul> I hope canonical or his flavors keep the 32bit releases for some years. I got several pc's running Ubuntu, Lubuntu and Xubuntu with 32bit. They're old-fashioned , but useful to me.
[06:14] <raul> thanks for the link.
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> raul: no prob :p
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> raul: im surely they will keep in mind, many machines would suffer..
[06:18] <raul> Yes. There are many pc's all over the world running 32bit versions yet.
[06:19] <raul> they're cheap here in my country.
[06:20] <raul> the 64bit machines are so expensive yet.
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> raul: im sure they wont just shutdown stuff..
[06:30] <raul> I know Windows 10 still support 32bit pc's because of the huge amount of machines running that architecture. I think that Canonical or other GNU/Linux distro have to support that machines. This is the Linux philosopy: Use it, don't throw it away.
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> raul: well for now 16.04 will still support it, lets see what happens to the future right
[06:36] <raul> OK. Thanks a lot for your answers. 32bit support til 2021. That makes me happy.
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> Redbeardt: daily url in topic
[07:00] <Redbeardt> ;D danke
[07:05] <BLUG_Fred> Hi!
[07:05] <BLUG_Fred> Looking for the Xenial Ubuntu server channel. Is this the right place?
[07:24] <Fudge> yes ubuntu+1
[07:24] <Fudge> or #ubuntu-server may help too
[07:24] <ikonia> this is the right channe
[07:24] <ikonia> not ubuntu-server
[07:24] <ikonia> thats for the stable releases
[07:35] <tsimonq2> well, that's a fine line
[07:38] <ikonia> not really
[07:39] <tsimonq2> this is for support
[07:39] <ikonia> no, it's for discussion and help
[07:39] <ikonia> there is no official support for pre-release
[07:39] <tsimonq2> topic?
[07:39] <ikonia> but yes, I know what you mean
[07:39] <ikonia> support is just a word, but yes, I take your point
[07:39] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> !find 364
[08:41] <Smedles> tried to update a machine to 16.04 today, got the following:
[08:41] <Smedles> W:Failed to fetch
[08:41] <Smedles> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/i18n/Translation-en_AU
[08:41] <Smedles> Hash Sum mismatch
[08:41] <Smedles> , W:Failed to fetch
[08:41] <Smedles> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/multiverse/i18n/Translation-en_AU
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: any ppa's, manual install or behind proxy?
[08:42] <Smedles> lotuspsychje: nope - likely to be a temporary glitch or bug worthy?
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: lets investigate a bit first
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: upgrade or clean install?
[08:43] <Smedles> lotuspsychje: fyi - just tried to update a server install, and it's giving the same error
[08:43] <Smedles> both machines in question are upgrades - the installs have been around a little while
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: upgrades from wich version?
[08:44] <Smedles> lotuspsychje: upgrades from 15.10
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: ok keep in mind that we still in developing phase until final ok
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: you can ask in #ubuntu-mirrors for known issues on repos for your country perhaps?
[08:45] <Smedles> lotuspsychje: yeah, totally understand - however - the machine I'm writing on has been on 16.04 for a couple of months now - I like being an early adopter :)
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: yeah i got 2 boxes running on xenial also, np
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: but fresh installs here, all working like a charm
[08:45] <Smedles> lotuspsychje: i tried the .au mirror, then when I had issues switched to the main site - same issue
[08:46] <Smedles> my 1st guess was an issue on the aussie mirror
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: you absolutly sure to have no external ppa's added right?
[08:46] <Smedles> not the end of the world that I can't update these 2x machines, maybe I'll try again tomorrow, and if the problem is still around, raise a ticket
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: doublecheck your sources.list if unsure
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: dont make a bug before you ask in #ubuntu-mirrors
[08:47] <Smedles> the laptop I tried probably has the chrome ppa, but the server install has nothing
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> Smedles: we dont support ppa's mate, and that can be the bottleneck of issues
[08:48] <Smedles> 'the server install has nothing'
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> yes i hear you
[08:49] <Smedles> anyway, doesn't the installer disable all external PPA's as part of the install process?
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> no
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> !ppa
[08:52] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: I had similar yesterday actually doing some vanilla trusty/wily to xenial upgrade tests
[08:52] <flocculant> main server
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: when having repo issues ask in #ubuntu-mirrors
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> they can test out/known issues
[08:54] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: pretty sure it's not repo issues
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: trusty to xenial isnt recommended either yet..
[08:56] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: you'll find that they're testing it - they'd almost *have* to be - and it works - or has done up till Friday ;)
[08:57] <flocculant> pretty sure there's something wrong somewhere
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: xenial is still in development
[08:58] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: I know
[08:59] <flocculant> I've been testing upgrades for xubuntu with the help of people from Canonical - upgrade wasn't working - then it was fine - now it isn't
[08:59] <flocculant> I've just passing on the information I am aware of
[09:01] <flocculant> and if there is a hash sum mismatch ONLY when doing an upgrade - there's something up with that
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> this is just why i dont recommend upgrades to xenial yet
[09:02] <flocculant> well I'd certainly not recommend it to someone who was a drive-by 'is it there yet' person :)
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:03] <flocculant> but given this is +1
[09:03] <flocculant> I'll try and catch the couple of canonical peeps I've been talking to
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> anyway if someone experiences apt-get issues, i would ask in #ubuntu-mirrors first after disabling all ppa's/firewall/proxy
[09:04] <flocculant> it *appears* that *this* has shown up since they did whatever they did for Colin Watson to blog http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/blog/no-more-hash-sum-mismatch-errors.html
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[09:04] <flocculant> hopefully completely coincidental :D
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> interesting
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> i never had 1 apt-get issue yet on clean installs, ever
[09:07] <alkisg> Nice link for reading material :)
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> xenial to the rescue :p
[09:08]  * alkisg has had that issue in .gr mirrors for months now, and had to switch to the main ones...
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> just installed vivaldi on xenial, and after install i get a nice 'vivaldi is now installed' notifcation
[09:08] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: with this - IF I had installed the trusty or wily done the apt-get update/upgrade thing and got hash sum issues - then was ok, then did the upgrade and got the same I would wonder - but given that's not the case and it appears to ONLY mismatch with update-manager, it's making me mmm a bit :)
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: you try all this when final releases, and we will talk once more :p
[09:09] <flocculant> ha ha
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> heh
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> you guys seens the new wallpapers from latest udate yet?
[09:10] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: when xenial releases I''ll be setting yaketty yak up here for Xubuntu and stasrting again
[09:10] <flocculant> I don't think I've used a supported version for years ...
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> !yak
[09:10] <alkisg> Hey, nice wallpapers!
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> lol we dont have a Y codename yet?
[09:10] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: I've seen the wallpapers for Xubuntu yes ;)
[09:11] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: yasmin's yurt
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> !codename
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> !codenames
[09:31] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: and now it's working :p
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> magic :p
[09:33] <flocculant> yup - some of that let's wait for someone to do a bunch of talking then work afterwards magic :p
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> haha
[09:33] <a7ndrew>  Hey, I'm testing out Ubuntu 16.04 Server Beta 2, and I can't seem to do an installation without a network connection. Anyone else seen this?
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> a7ndrew: didnt test the server install myself, cable or wifi?
[09:34] <a7ndrew> lotuspsychje: I'm trying to do it without either. I can boot and use the installer from a USB stick.
[09:35] <a7ndrew> maybe what I'm trying to do isn't supported??
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> a7ndrew: well, at any time you will need updates so..better get connection anyway?
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> a7ndrew: you could ask the #ubuntu-server guys, if offline install is supported
[09:37] <alkisg> Maybe it is supported with a few preselected tasks, and you selected additional tasks?
[09:38] <a7ndrew> I haven't selected anything, just can't seem to get past the mirror selection screen.
[09:38] <a7ndrew> I'm guessing it fails when it can't get updates to the installer components.
[09:48] <yossarianuk> hi - on 16.04 how do you change the menu buttons to the right?
[09:48] <yossarianuk> ubunut-tweak-tool seems to no long have an effect
[09:49] <yossarianuk> one other thing - I just installed konversation (as I don't know what irc chat is used by ubuntu by default?) - I cannot see konversation in the dash menu
[09:49] <yossarianuk> i had to launch via cli
[09:57] <yossarianuk> ah - actually now konversation is appears in dash
[09:57] <yossarianuk> *appearing*
[09:58] <yossarianuk> anyone know about the menu placement ?
[10:04] <alkisg> yossarianuk: wait
[10:04] <alkisg> $ gsettings list-recursively | grep button-layout
[10:04] <alkisg> org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout 'menu:minimize,maximize,close'
[10:05] <alkisg> That's what I have to get the buttons to the right
[10:05] <alkisg> I.e. run: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout 'menu:minimize,maximize,close'
[10:08] <yossarianuk> alkisg: cheers - however that has no effect
[10:08] <yossarianuk> the output of ' gsettings list-recursively | grep button-layout'
[10:08] <alkisg> yossarianuk: are you using unity with compiz?
[10:08] <yossarianuk> org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout 'menu:minimize,maximize,close'
[10:08] <yossarianuk> alkisg: ikts the default from beta 2
[10:09] <yossarianuk> sudo lsof -n |grep compiz -> shows compiz in use
[10:10] <yossarianuk> ive uupdated beta2 (i.e apt-get dist-upgrade)
[10:14] <alkisg> yossarianuk: maybe they've removed support for it, it still works with flashback/metacity here but not with unity/compiz
[10:14] <alkisg> *it also works with flashback/compiz
[10:16] <yossarianuk> shall i write a bug report ?
[10:17] <alkisg> Sure, why not. I don't know if they want to support it though, if so they'll reply "won't fix" and we'll know that's the case.
[10:20] <yossarianuk> ok cheers - seems silly to prevent someone doing it (i'm from a KDE background....)
[10:20] <yossarianuk> always check out the latest stable unity when a release is out
[10:20] <yossarianuk> and 16.04 generally seems good
[10:21]  * alkisg can't use unity because it requires compositing, so he's using gnome-flashback... maybe I'll switch to mate though
[10:21] <yossarianuk> which package should I file the bug under
[10:21] <yossarianuk> (i'm waiting on a stable kde neon release....)
[10:23] <alkisg> I'm not sure, maybe unity-settings-daemon...
[10:35] <yossarianuk> ok will do
[11:03] <yossarianuk> I have entered a bug report about not being able to move window controls
[11:03] <yossarianuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1568490
[11:15] <k1l> that bug is  wont fix and known since some time
[11:18] <k1l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-tweak-tool/+bug/1309942  <---
[11:30] <MisterSanderson> Hello!
[11:30] <MisterSanderson> I need to install Ubuntu in my netbook soon, but I don't know if I can wait until the release of the 16.04 version. What to do?
[11:32] <k1l> install 15.10 and upgrade form end of april to july to 16.04
[11:40] <MisterSanderson> Why 15.10 and not 14.04?
[11:50] <jtaylor> or just install 16.04 now
[11:50] <MisterSanderson> Not a good idea. Unreleased software always have serious problems.
[11:51] <jtaylor> two weeks won't change much of that
[11:53] <ratrace> Software can have serious problems even months after stabilization :) 16.04 is good enough at this stage. I'm using it on the primary, and only, production desktop of mine.
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:33] <Mrsanderson> When 16.04 is released, how will I can install it without any nonfree software?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> probly use a different desktop other tha unity ?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> than
[14:36] <Mrsanderson> It's just Unity?
[14:37] <lordievader> Isn't that what the thirdpary checkbox is for?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> unity has all the bloatware and links to pais apps and promotions afaik
[14:37] <lordievader> thirdparty*
[14:38] <BluesKaj> paid
[14:38] <freaj> Mrsanderson: without any proprietary software? You might want to take a loot at: http://trisquel.info then, it's a ubuntu distro 100% cleaned from non free softwares
[14:39] <popey> BluesKaj: unity has nothing non-free in it.
[14:39] <popey> Mrsanderson: there is an option before you even boot to the desktop to install only free software
[14:39] <popey> i think you press F6 at the boot menu
[14:39] <freaj> popey: really? I didn't know that
[14:40] <popey> it's been there for years
[14:40] <freaj> it says a lot about how important it is to people :P
[14:40] <popey> Well, we created Gobuntu as a Free Software only flavour but nobody seemed to want to maintain it
[14:40] <popey> so it was rolled into the standard iso image
[14:41] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/426160/what-is-the-free-software-only-option-when-installing-ubuntu
[14:41] <BluesKaj> popey, why does it have all that commercial stuff on the desktop then.
[14:41] <popey> thats an entirely separate subject from software freedom
[14:41] <freaj> BluesKaj: the ad can be free software, huh
[14:42] <freaj> BluesKaj: you can see the source code of it I think
[14:42] <BluesKaj> ok , now we're into person al definitions of bloatware
[14:42] <popey> also no
[14:42] <popey> you're off on a tangent
[14:43] <popey> the question asked was "how will I can install it without any nonfree software"
[14:43] <popey> *you* took a different turn and started talking about "bloatware"
[14:43] <popey> and somehow concluding that unity is nonfree
[14:43] <popey> which it isn't
[14:43] <BluesKaj> nm, I don't really care it's immaterial to me .... i use kde anyway
[14:43] <popey> Super
[14:44] <popey> next time maybe research the topic before spouting fud
[14:45] <BluesKaj> popey, maybe you couls help the user next time  rather than being a correction troll
[14:45] <popey> I _did_
[14:45] <allquixotic> Now that the latest Nvidia binary driver (364.72) supports the EGL extensions required by Wayland and Mir, and also supports KMS, could one reasonably expect Ubuntu 16.04 to support Unity 8 + Mir + Nvidia binary driver at some point?
[14:45] <popey> you seem to have missed the part where I explained the free software option above.
[14:46]  * BluesKaj shrugs  ...blah blah ....
[14:46] <popey> Nice attitude.
[14:46] <ratrace> this "proprietary" and "spyware" FUDmyth should really die. it's total nonsense.
[14:48] <popey> The online stuff was finally removed in 16.04.
[14:50] <MisterSanderson> There isn't really a way to make Ubuntu free of nonfree software, other than using another distro?
[14:51] <popey> 15:41 < popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/426160/what-is-the-free-software-only-option-when-installing-ubuntu
[14:51] <popey> MisterSanderson: ^
[14:51] <MisterSanderson> I will check.
[14:51] <BluesKaj> or use a different DE
[14:51] <popey> Again, the DE has nothing to do with free/non-free. Stop the fud BluesKaj
[14:52] <nauticalnexus> Hello, I'm having issues upgrading to Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 using the "do-release-upgrade -d" terminal command. I upgraded to 15.10 yesterday and tried to do the 16.04 upgrade again but I'm having the same issue I did on 14.04. this is the error https://paste.ubuntu.com/15725661/
[14:53] <popey> nauticalnexus: might have been a transient thing, you could retry again?
[14:53] <nauticalnexus> popey: I've tried again 3 times. Same exact error. I've tried switching the servers in software-properties-gtk but same thing
[14:53] <popey> hm
[14:54] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: I had some issues with that yesterday and this morning - worked in the end
[14:54] <freaj> BluesKaj: wow hey, please read what popey said again, and he even gave you the solution
[14:54] <flocculant> there have been some connectivity issues off and on seemingly
[14:54] <freaj> this is far from being a troll omg
[14:55] <nauticalnexus> popey: I eventually got a ISO and put it on a USB, booted it, and it wouldn't let me upgrade from 14.04(this was before I upgraded to 15.10), I would've had to do a clean install, which is not what I wanted to do
[14:55] <BluesKaj> it's not my problem , freaj
[14:55] <flocculant> popey: had issues with repos/pad/login.ubuntu most of the morning
[14:55] <popey> BluesKaj: your misinformation in an ubuntu support channel _is_ actually.
[14:55] <nauticalnexus> I can try again, though. But I'm fairly certain it'll be the same error.
[14:56] <popey> nauticalnexus: I dont think we heavily test 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrades yet
[14:56] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: as I said - I got there with upgrade in the end - same as you
[14:56] <popey> they only generally get switched on around the point release
[14:56] <nauticalnexus> popey: I'm doing 15.10 -> 16.04 now
[14:56] <popey> so when 16.04.1 ships it will have been more tested
[14:56] <popey> ok
[14:56] <popey> but still, that doesn't explain the weird network issues with your archive connections
[14:57] <nauticalnexus> I don't get it either.
[14:58] <nauticalnexus> Just tried again, same error.
[14:58] <flocculant> bug 1568354
[14:59] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: why does it affect me then? I'm using English, albeit British English
[14:59] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: no idea - as I said I had the same thing over and over - worked in the end
[14:59] <flocculant> and exactly the same issue here - uk stuffs
[14:59] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: so what, I just have to keep trying?
[15:00] <flocculant> well
[15:00] <BluesKaj> popey, I meant it's not my problem since I don't use unity and wasn't the user asking about non-free software, however if you guys think I made the wrong sud=gestion then I'll leave well enough alone next time.
[15:00] <syth> Today I'll be building a kernel on 16.04 for my first time idk how to go abt it ,I'll be using a guide
[15:00] <flocculant> personally I think there's something up more generically - not just repos - I've had issues with more than 1 canonical thing today :)
[15:00] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: ^^
[15:00] <syth> Anyways idk how to use lvm
[15:01] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: Well what do I do then?
[15:02] <MisterSanderson> Next question: will 16.04 still be controlled by Amazon?
[15:02] <syth> Nope
[15:03] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: try later perhaps - wish I could offer something more tangible
[15:03] <k1l_> "controlled"? where did you get from?
[15:03] <syth> He means Shop
[15:03] <ChibaPet> It's an Illuminati thing.
[15:03] <ratrace> k1l_: voices in his head told him
[15:03] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: alright. thanks
[15:03] <popey> MisterSanderson: nothing is controlled by amazon
[15:03] <nauticalnexus> ratrace: hahaha
[15:03] <k1l_> no, he said: "controlled" which is what the FUD trolls tell other people
[15:03] <popey> indeed
[15:03] <syth> Indeed
[15:04] <ChibaPet> in... deed
[15:04] <ratrace> watching too much static on the telly
[15:04] <syth> Amazon is baad
[15:04] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: it took 4 attempts this morning
[15:04] <syth> I guess the interface is much fluent in 16.04
[15:04] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: 4? Wow. And you're on 16.04 now?
[15:04] <k1l_> if you dont like the amazon shopping lense you can turn that off and its off then. and its even not set on per default from 16.04 on.  but that is totally different from saying ubuntu is controlled by amazon.
[15:05] <syth> Lol
[15:05] <syth> Yeah
[15:05] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: I was *just* testing upgrades in vm - I've been running 16.04 for a long time
[15:05] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: ah, okay. I might just wait for it to release. I mean it's just 11 days.. right...?
[15:05] <syth> I'm running 16.04 in vbox
[15:06] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: yep
[15:06] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: that's a year to an impatient person(me)
[15:06] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: :)
[15:06] <syth> !release
[15:07] <freaj> Am I crazy to run 16.04 as my main desktop? :P
[15:07] <ratrace> I wonder if people who object to the search lens are using smartphones in ANY capacity. that'd be hilariously hypocritical if they did.
[15:07]  * BluesKaj wonders about 16.10 :-)
[15:08] <syth> Yes freaj
[15:08] <ratrace> freaj: I've been doing so for the past few days too :)
[15:08] <syth> But
[15:08] <ratrace> main and only desktop, workstation, if it failed, my work and my paycheck would suffer. :)
[15:09] <syth> Its pretty lightweight and stable
[15:09] <BluesKaj> freaj, if it's your work machine then not recommended, but as an adventurous home user why not  if you have a another OS as your main OS
[15:09] <syth> Just 1.38GB
[15:10] <Mrsanderson> I don't use cell phones normally. They are always spying the users.
[15:10] <syth> Means Mrsanderson
[15:10] <syth> ? Spying
[15:10] <nauticalnexus> oh my goodness
[15:11] <nauticalnexus> Where does this guy get "spying: from
[15:11] <Mrsanderson> Yes, no data is protected on cell phones.
[15:11] <syth> You mean cloud?
[15:12] <Mrsanderson> Voice calls are heard by government. SMS are read. Skype is read. Facebook is read. Gmail is read. Fuck!
[15:12] <syth> Who told you?
[15:12] <ratrace> Snowden. :)
[15:13] <syth> And anyways even if they do ...what difference does it make!
[15:13] <Mrsanderson> It does difference to my privacy.
[15:13] <ChibaPet> If you need privacy, you're hiding something.
[15:13] <ChibaPet> Why are you hiding something?
[15:13] <nauticalnexus> oh yes I'd love for the government to hear everything I do on the internets
[15:13] <syth> Privacy... Lol
[15:13] <ratrace> really, ChibaPet, really.
[15:14] <Mrsanderson> I prefer not having my data sent to Amazon. Can I prevent that?
[15:14] <syth> Yes
[15:14] <ratrace> ChibaPet: so what are you hiding, then?
[15:14] <Mrsanderson> How?
[15:14] <ChibaPet> ratrace: The bodies.
[15:14] <syth> Of aliens :p
[15:14] <ratrace> ChibaPet: obviously, since you're using SSL to connect to irc.
[15:14] <nauticalnexus> ChibaPet: holy shit
[15:14] <k1l_> Mrsanderson: i already told you
[15:15] <ratrace> Mrsanderson: you better stop using the interwebs altogether. the nsa can crack your ssl so there's no point really.
[15:15] <nauticalnexus> ratrace: Yup. they can crack iPhones now
[15:15] <ratrace> true, true.
[15:15] <ChibaPet> A recent upgrade caused me to have to reinstall my printer. Anyone else see that?
[15:15] <nauticalnexus> No one is safe.
[15:15] <k1l_> Mrsanderson: on every ubuntu release, you can set the amazon search lense to off.
[15:16] <ratrace> there's like, this cryptically titled "Privacy" section in System Settings. What could that possibly mean!
[15:16] <syth> itanimulli.com
[15:16] <nauticalnexus> lmao
[15:16] <ChibaPet> Mrsanderson: You realize that the Amazon search is only there if you're using that cluster of software. Use something else and you're all set, in addition to just turning it off.
[15:17] <syth> ITANIMULLI.COM
[15:17] <nauticalnexus> amazing
[15:18] <k1l_> the amazon search lense only works on the "search online and local" search. so if you search in another lense, like the apps-lense (super+a), its not searching anything on amazon.
[15:18] <k1l_> so Mrsanderson is technically complaining, that a search labled as onlinesearch, is searching online.
[15:18] <ratrace> lol!
[15:18] <nauticalnexus> this is amazing
[15:19] <syth> Yeah...its all under nsa ....big time secret agency origins
[15:19] <ChibaPet> Just like bits of OpenSSL! What a coincidence. :P
[15:20] <nauticalnexus> Just remember the NSA can unencrypt your iPhone now so that means they can get into anything
[15:20] <ChibaPet> That was the FBI.
[15:20] <syth> Anything.... Sheeit man i have loads od porn on my iphone :p
[15:20] <syth> *of
[15:20] <nauticalnexus> same thing!
[15:20] <nauticalnexus> it's all the government
[15:21] <syth> Government is going to see my porn choices ...lel
[15:21] <nauticalnexus> tmi
[15:22] <syth> Yeah...i guess they are stealing so to know human behavior
[15:22] <k1l_> i think we are walking away from the focus of #ubuntu+1 . but #ubuntu-offtopic is a good place to talk about that
[15:22] <syth> And make AI
[15:22] <syth> Apology k1l_
[15:22] <MisterSanderson> OK, so there is a swarm of trolls right now here. Maybe I come back later.
[15:23] <k1l_> *sigh*
[15:23] <syth> Damn
[15:23] <nauticalnexus> whoops
[15:23] <k1l_> himself spreading FUD and talking about others beeing trolls when asked to back his accusations.
[15:23] <nauticalnexus> oh I thought it was my fault
[15:24] <syth> I think it is mine
[15:24] <nauticalnexus> I think he's just paranoid
[15:24] <ratrace> Well... too much Matrix I say.
[15:24] <nauticalnexus> hahaha
[15:24] <syth> :p
[16:11] <ita> will the ubuntu xenial installer support zfs? the current image not seem to come with zfs utils such as zpool (though the module seems to be there)
[16:35] <ratrace> ita: I don't know if it will, but I think I've read somewhere it wouldn't. Besides, it's not a trivial matter. Setting up zpools is radically different than other filesystems.
[16:40] <ita> btrfs seems to be similar though
[16:44] <ratrace> iirc btrfs was done "wrong" too. there's this difference between btrfs/zfs and other filesystems where other filesystems are singular per partition, whereas btrfs and zfs can have multiple mount points per partition.
[16:44] <ratrace> also, with other filesystems raid requires separate layer and thus device to base partitions upon, where with zfs/btrfs it's built in and handled differently.
[16:45] <ratrace> it's not trivial to present all these combinations in the GUI. PErsonally, I always drop to shell and manually set up the filesystems. Easier and faster than trying to click through an awkwardly put together interface.
[16:47] <jonathan_zz> main reason why btrfs is a bad idea: it mixes layers.
[16:47] <ratrace> zfs does too
[16:47] <jonathan_zz> right
[16:47] <ratrace> flagship product of UNIXes which is least UNIXy in principle :D
[16:48] <jonathan_zz> It's a bit like building a computer but the windows boot loader is hardwired into it.
[16:48] <ratrace> Id' say main reason why btrfs is a bad idea is because btrfs is unstable crap.
[16:48] <jonathan_zz> the two things do not have to be unrelated
[16:48] <jonathan_zz> the moment you start to mix stuff that doesn't belong together, you get into trouble
[16:48] <jonathan_zz> same with systemd
[16:49] <jonathan_zz> unix is about elementary building blocks right.
[16:49] <jonathan_zz> that you can put together the way you want.
[16:49] <ratrace> however, in case of zfs and possibly btrfs, they HAVE to. ZFS has to be aware of raid blocks in order to allow checksumming and auto recovery.
[16:49] <ratrace> it would be impossible to do that if those layers were independent.
[16:50] <ratrace> on the other hand, the feature could be taken out of the FS and put where it belongs: into mdadm
[16:50] <jonathan_zz> and improve mdadm while you're at it ;-).
[16:50] <ratrace> yeah.
[16:50] <jonathan_zz> unusable program
[16:51] <jonathan_zz> but that's what I mean: why try to do stuff something else can do better.
[16:51] <jonathan_zz> It's like the same with Nero suite on Windows
[16:51] <jonathan_zz> Nero is a burning app but it comes with complete media player package
[16:51] <jonathan_zz> just nobody really wants it.
[16:51] <jonathan_zz> why use a dvd burner as your media player right.
[16:52] <ratrace> I do wonder if the recent developments around ext4 and various cachefs filesystems will render zfs/btrfs irrelevant. mdadm + lvm + ext4(+crypto + snapshotting built in) + cachefs will do exactly the same thing.
[16:52] <ratrace> (cachefs to replace ZFS ARC)
[16:52] <jonathan_zz> lvm also has caches for that matter.
[16:53] <jonathan_zz> modular is not bad at all
[16:53] <jonathan_zz> you just have to focus on making them as clean as possible.
[16:53] <jonathan_zz> personally I like thin LVM
[16:54] <jonathan_zz> there is only one real downside to thin LVM and that is not knowing when your space runs out.
[16:54] <jonathan_zz> but in actual fact you could implement that as well.
[16:55] <jonathan_zz> actual free space may be less than the filesystem reports.
[16:55] <jonathan_zz> I wonder what happens if you fill it up.
[16:56] <jonathan_zz> but e.g. ext4 wouldn't know about LVM so it could not know.....
[16:57] <jonathan_zz> same issue ;-).
[16:57] <ratrace> does it have to know? or is it enough for the underlying block device (physical, lvm, ...) reports number of blocks available
[16:57] <jonathan_zz> maybe I don't know.
[16:58] <jonathan_zz> that would solve it if the fs doesn't think the entire allocated range will always be available, which makes sense.
[16:59] <jonathan_zz> but that would require either "number of blocks available" (which isn't very helpful) (apart from knowing how much to allocate) or "these and these blocks are unavailable" (which would be some randomness on the part of LVM, and impossible to know for LVM.
[17:00] <jonathan_zz> well LVM knows which blocks are already used.
[17:00] <jonathan_zz> in the virtual device
[17:00] <ratrace> precisely, so it doesn't matter
[17:01] <jonathan_zz> so if there are no more blocks available, it could just (randomly) make them unavailable at the end of the volume. For instance.
[17:01] <ratrace> I mean it doesn't matter what ext4 knows about its underlying block device as long as that device acts as a block device properly.
[17:01] <jonathan_zz> any block device should be able to enable/disable blocks right.
[17:02] <ita> unusable or not, what i am trying to do is to install a system with 2 identical disks which i would like to be able to boot whenever one of the disks fail
[17:02] <jonathan_zz> I have done that using mirror raid mdadm
[17:03] <ita> mdadm with lvm is not exactly easy to setup (i want the bootloader to be mirrored too), and i hoped zfs in the installer could simplify that
[17:03] <ratrace> ita: you have a range of options at your disposal. mdadm+(ext4|xfs|...), zfs or, if you must, btrfs
[17:03] <jonathan_zz> I set it up using the debian installer, it created my raid devices
[17:03] <ratrace> ita: nope, you'd still need separate, non-zfs /boot
[17:03] <jonathan_zz> then later I turned /boot into raid also
[17:04] <jonathan_zz> each disk just has its own GPT bios boot partition (1mb)
[17:04] <jonathan_zz> or maybe 2mb don't remember
[17:04] <ita> jonathan_zz: that's the thing i want... but straight from the installer, without obscure tweaks later on
[17:04] <jonathan_zz> ita: I'm not sure my tweak was obscure and I think you can do it straight away
[17:05] <jonathan_zz> I only used LVM ON the raid partitions.
[17:05] <ita> jonathan_zz: it's not exactly a few clicks in the installer
[17:05] <jonathan_zz> first partition: bios reserved boot, second partition, raid /boot, third partition, raid /
[17:06] <jonathan_zz> was gonna say raid /root, I meant /
[17:06] <jonathan_zz> ita: in the debian installer it is a breeze. The ubuntu/kubuntu graphical one can't do it right.
[17:07] <ita> jonathan_zz: ok, maybe it is just ubuntu then...
[17:07] <ratrace> the problem with ubuntu's installer, at least it was in 15.10, didn't try 16.04 as I upgraded from 15.10, is that it's very sensitive. roll back on something and you've broken it, you have to start from the scratch.
[17:07] <jonathan_zz> ita: debian text mode installer allows complete manual configuration of LVM, as well as turning partitions into mdadm raid.
[17:07] <ratrace> something = partitioning-wise
[17:08] <jonathan_zz> the only thing I did manually *after* was to turn /boot into mirror raid.
[17:08] <jonathan_zz> which was: backup, create single disk array, put backup onto it, extend to second disk, rebuild it, done.
[17:09] <jonathan_zz> not easy from the command line but with a manual you can do it :p.
[17:09] <ratrace> why? you could've simply nuked the partitions, turn into raid proper, mount as /boot and restore it from backup then. :)
[17:09] <ita> jonathan_zz: regarding the raid mirror, it seems that zfs provides a little bit more there (zfs scrub), is there an mdadm equivalent for it?
[17:09] <jonathan_zz> no clue
[17:09] <ratrace> ita: there isn't
[17:09] <ratrace> mdadm cannot tell which of the two mismatched blocks is correct one
[17:10] <jonathan_zz> ratrace: I don't really remember how I did it :p.
[17:10] <ratrace> zfs can
[17:10] <ita> ratrace: :-)
[17:10] <jonathan_zz> ratrace: I played around with rebuilding arrays, so maybe I'm confused.
[17:10] <ratrace> the closest thing you get with mdadm is the mdadm check run which checks for its health, but there's no autocorrective behavior as with zfs
[17:10] <ita> jonathan_zz: i still want zfs and debian does not seem to be providing it by default, plus the installation is more complex than Ubuntus
[17:11] <ratrace> I hear that will change for next Debian
[17:11] <jonathan_zz> debian installation more complex?
[17:11] <jonathan_zz> I almost feel like installing it again
[17:11] <ita> jonathan_zz: yup, and ugly
[17:11] <jonathan_zz> I do not use the server anyway
[17:11] <jonathan_zz> I upgraded it to 8, not sure if I really want 7.
[17:12] <jonathan_zz> but I have the 7 discs so I could easily reinstall and reproduce to see how it goes.
[17:13] <jonathan_zz> I took a lot of pains to create perfect partitions lol.
[17:13] <jonathan_zz> It was meant to run something but I never developed it.
[17:15] <jonathan_zz> test
[17:16] <ita> jonathan_zz: test ok :-)
[17:16] <jonathan_zz> It had mirror /boot and /root, a stripe with 2 data volumes on it and another mirror with a backup volume.
[17:16] <jonathan_zz> on 2 disks
[17:17] <jonathan_zz> yeah i might just do it, the annoying software raid card (firmware raid card) wouldn't allow me to delete the useless array I had made on it without having both disks present, and without wiping the partition tables :p.
[17:18] <jonathan_zz> then I can install an older PSU I had for it that was better for the case, and have one PSU leftover that I can sell :p.
[17:18] <jonathan_zz> good plan :P
[18:23] <Amara> Hey,same problem as I told in #ubuntu, using 4.4 kernel intel hdmi output doesn't work, anyone knows a solution?
[18:27] <Amara> The bug is documented here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1317231
[18:38] <nauticalnexus> I literally cannot upgrade to GNOME 16.04. I keep getting the same exact error. I've done this at least 15 times today and it comes up with the same error
[18:41] <nauticalnexus> this is the error https://paste.ubuntu.com/15725661/
[18:46] <Amara> MITM
[18:47] <Amara> or ubuntu is upgrading its repo or something like that
[18:47] <Amara> change your repo or wait a few hours
[18:47] <nauticalnexus> It happened yesterday too
[18:47] <Amara> mitm than lel
[18:48] <Amara> change your repo, put the universal repo and try again
[18:50] <nauticalnexus> saaaaaaaame issue
[18:51] <Amara> which one did you point your apt at?
[18:51] <nauticalnexus> main server
[18:52] <Amara> ;_; use apt-transport-tor, put tor+ before http in your repo config file
[18:52] <Amara> or try https
[18:52] <nauticalnexus> I am confused
[18:53] <Amara> this is probably because ubuntu is fucked up its repo or somebody is somehow fucking up your connection
[18:53] <Amara> you could try a vpn too instead of tor
[18:53] <Amara> if tor or vpn solves it, you are bad, if not ubuntu is bad
[18:54] <Amara> or chose another repo, maybe one from uk or france?
[18:54] <nauticalnexus> I doubt it's me because I've done nearly everything I can to fix this
[18:54] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: you could try removing the lists so it has to grab all the lists again - but I think there's something not quite right at the moment there
[18:55] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: how do I do that
[18:55] <flocculant> http://askubuntu.com/questions/41605/trouble-downloading-packages-list-due-to-a-hash-sum-mismatch-error
[18:55] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: thanks, I'll try that
[18:56] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: I can't remember if I did that when I managed to get it working this morning
[18:57] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: oh yeah you're the one I was talking to earlier? I've tried this at least 15 times today
[18:57] <nauticalnexus> just did everything the link you sent said, trying it again
[18:57] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: yea it was me for my sins :p
[18:58] <nauticalnexus> your sins? What?
[18:58] <flocculant> trying to help people - often ends in tears :D
[18:58] <nauticalnexus> or frustration when the thing doesn't work after 15 times..
[18:58] <flocculant> http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/for+my+sins
[18:59] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: yup - I feel your pain
[18:59] <nauticalnexus> WOW.
[18:59] <nauticalnexus> SAME THING.
[18:59] <nauticalnexus> I really wish it was okay to use profanity here.
[18:59] <flocculant> :)
[18:59] <nauticalnexus> this is really getting on my nerves..
[18:59] <flocculant> it's coming over the ether pretty clearly ;)
[19:00] <flocculant> yea - not much I can do to help
[19:00] <nauticalnexus> I'm gonna try what's in that link again.
[19:00] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: are you still connecting to main?
[19:00] <nauticalnexus> I just switched to the US server
[19:01] <flocculant> if not clear the lists - connect to main - retry is about all I could suggest
[19:01] <flocculant> I KNOW that I got it working from Main
[19:01] <nauticalnexus> I did connect to main.
[19:01] <Amara> nauticalnexus, switch to tor, always up to date, no isp caches or something like that
[19:01] <nauticalnexus> but no bueno
[19:02] <nauticalnexus> I surely can't be the only American that uses British English can I?
[19:02] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: so you did the rm -rf, then tried the upgrade using main?
[19:02] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: the first time, yes. I'm now trying the US server.
[19:02] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: no idea - but given the bug I linked earlier - not just GB translation is failing - the bug is all in German
[19:03] <nauticalnexus> same. freaking. error.
[19:04] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: for your sanity - I would leave it today - if there *is* a real issue it's more likely to get seen on a working day imo
[19:04] <nauticalnexus> I have no sanity
[19:04] <nauticalnexus> I'm fine
[19:05] <flocculant> well good luck then - all I'm going to end up doing is repeating myself now - though I'd like to know if you manage to find what's up :)
[19:05] <nauticalnexus> trying the main server again.
[19:05] <nauticalnexus> yeah I lost my sanity a loooong time ago. Thanks for the gl
[19:05] <nauticalnexus> becuase I'm definitely gonna need it..
[19:14] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: yes
[19:14] <nauticalnexus> I got it working
[19:15] <nauticalnexus> sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* plus sudo apt-get clean, plus sudo do-release-upgrade -d worked
[19:30] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: :)
[19:33] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: idk how long it's gonna take to download and instlal, but if it's anything like when I upgraded to 15.10, it's gonna take a few hours
[19:33] <nauticalnexus> 15.10 took so long that I actually went afk for an hour or so. When I got back it was done. my bootloader tried to boot the old kernel though.
[19:34] <nauticalnexus> should I just use grub on my ESP partition?
[19:34] <nauticalnexus> I use rEFInd right now.
[19:34] <flocculant> not a clue I'm afraid :)
[19:34] <nauticalnexus> ah okay
[19:34] <nauticalnexus> I've always avoided grub, idk why
[19:35] <nauticalnexus> but rEFInd still shows the 14.04 kernel so I have to boot into grub anyway
[19:35] <flocculant> :)
[19:35] <nauticalnexus> even after reinstalling it and forcing it to read the Linux kernels again
[19:36] <flocculant> nauticalnexus: well I'm glad you managed to get it going - but it's time for me to knock irc on the head for the day now :)
[19:36] <nauticalnexus> flocculant: alright. Thanks for the link. It seriously helped a lot. Have a nice day/night/evening/afternoon
[19:36] <flocculant> you too
[20:44] <elvis9k> hello
[20:45] <elvis9k> does anyone know how long the encryption of a 1tb drive should take during installation? I am doing that right now and am wondering if it even is doing anything.
[21:45] <jonathan_zz> pff changing the psu proved quite a hassle :p. Now front usb doesn't work, a wire is loose. Trying to fix it with silverglue but probably won't hold. Quite a lot of work to get things working in a small case.
[21:46] <jonathan_zz> wireless keyboard and the dongle is missing with no clue in the world where it could be.
[21:50] <jonathan_zz> would have been missing for 1½ years :p ita ratrace
[22:14] <thor__> buzzing. nice :) trouble with phpmyadmin in 16.04. php woking in www, but localhost/phpmyadmin just shows sourcecode. anyone here who ran into that problem?
[22:15] <thor__> Dont tell me to learn SQL, because thats not funny at all :D
[22:17] <ratrace> thor__: add the php handler to the localhost vhost too
[22:17] <thor__> ratrace: thanks. I will duckduckgo that :)