| flocculant | Unit193: ok | 07:32 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | jjfrv8, dkessel: want to add any comments to http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-cloud ? | 09:42 |
| knome | pleia2, ^ you too | 09:42 |
| knome | also anybody interested can check http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-other | 09:43 |
| flocculant | I did look - just to see if I was interested in that cloudy foofoo stuff - but wasn't :p | 09:44 |
| knome | flocculant, sigh :) | 09:45 |
| knome | flocculant, i understand you don't like the cloud stuff, and i don't like it much either, but it's still a huge thing for many, so please :) | 09:46 |
| knome | anyway, can you log in to any of our wordpress sites? | 09:46 |
| knome | i still can't, and i even filed an RT ticket | 09:47 |
| knome | going to be fun if this continues to next week | 09:47 |
| flocculant | knome: I did look - nothing I could add | 09:47 |
| knome | no worries | 09:47 |
| knome | but that WP thing??!! :P | 09:47 |
| flocculant | knome: checking | 09:48 |
| knome | thanks | 09:48 |
| flocculant | mmm | 09:48 |
| flocculant | Firefox can't find the server at login.ubuntu.com | 09:48 |
| knome | oh | 09:48 |
| knome | it can for me though | 09:48 |
| flocculant | hang on | 09:48 |
| flocculant | in to contest | 09:49 |
| knome | i mean at least if i access that url | 09:49 |
| knome | on contest it tries to access login.launchpad.net for me (atm) | 09:49 |
| knome | if i go to that or l.o.c manually on the browser, it loads and shows my login stuff | 09:50 |
| flocculant | can't seemingly login to the normal wordpress place | 09:50 |
| knome | yeah | 09:50 |
| knome | :( | 09:50 |
| flocculant | chromium fails too for the normal wp - dns address not found | 09:51 |
| knome | by normal you mean the main site? :P | 09:51 |
| flocculant | yea | 09:51 |
| knome | yep | 09:51 |
| knome | sigh | 09:51 |
| knome | i don't think it's a browser issue | 09:51 |
| flocculant | seems not | 09:52 |
| knome | but it's also not completely a ubuntu one issue | 09:52 |
| knome | because i've got better luck logging in to pad today | 09:52 |
| knome | and logging in to rt.ubuntu.com works with no problems | 09:52 |
| knome | same with relogging to launchpad | 09:52 |
| flocculant | knome: well getting to main site - fails at login.ubuntu.com | 09:52 |
| flocculant | packages.qa.ubuntu.com seems to be down | 09:53 |
| knome | yeah, i'm just getting to the "please wait" page, then it waits on login.ubuntu.com/launchpad.net | 09:53 |
| knome | eventually i got the "connection reset" eg. too slow to respond message | 09:53 |
| flocculant | iso.qa same | 09:53 |
| knome | crappety crap | 09:53 |
| knome | that's not even wordpress | 09:54 |
| flocculant | right | 09:54 |
| knome | hmm | 09:55 |
| knome | that works for me though | 09:55 |
| knome | and now i got to a different place with x.org too | 09:55 |
| flocculant | and from trusty vm I am in to the main site | 09:55 |
| knome | but still not logging | 09:56 |
| knome | huh | 09:56 |
| knome | o.o | 09:56 |
| knome | so maybe it's some new security stuff in browsers | 09:56 |
| * knome installs midori | 09:56 | |
| flocculant | and to iso.qa | 09:56 |
| knome | yep, iso.qa worked for me with ff | 09:56 |
| flocculant | mmm | 09:57 |
| flocculant | not installing midori here ... | 09:57 |
| flocculant | Cannot initiate the connection to archive.ubuntu.com:80 | 09:57 |
| knome | uhh | 09:58 |
| knome | so maybe it's a server connectivity problem | 09:58 |
| knome | can't login with midori either.. | 09:58 |
| flocculant | can you apt-get update? | 09:58 |
| flocculant | Err:11 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease | 09:59 |
| flocculant | Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com' | 09:59 |
| knome | with fi.archive | 09:59 |
| flocculant | right - set to main here | 09:59 |
| knome | and i got a ping reply from archive. | 09:59 |
| knome | but since it's pointing to several mirrors... | 09:59 |
| knome | no, i'm consistently getting ping replies | 10:00 |
| flocculant | UK is failing - but unsurprising - probably in the same room :p | 10:00 |
| flocculant | 2,817 B/s to UK ... | 10:00 |
| flocculant | connects fine to some random US server | 10:01 |
| knome | maybe you are redirected to different mirrors based on your location | 10:01 |
| flocculant | well generally I stick to Main | 10:02 |
| knome | yeah but that still isn't just one place | 10:02 |
| knome | it's just a frontend to several mirrors | 10:02 |
| knome | so it might decide X is better for you | 10:02 |
| knome | but that Y is better for me | 10:02 |
| knome | and if Y works, i don't get the error | 10:02 |
| flocculant | well the UK one should be in the UK - that was dog slow | 10:02 |
| knome | otoh, if X doesn't... | 10:02 |
| knome | heh | 10:02 |
| flocculant | US one works | 10:02 |
| flocculant | but | 10:02 |
| knome | mhm | 10:02 |
| flocculant | that doesn't surely make any difference to me getting x.org login from trusty but not xenial | 10:03 |
| knome | no | 10:03 |
| knome | and i'm no wily | 10:03 |
| knome | *on | 10:04 |
| knome | now the login says "waiting for xubuntu.org..." | 10:04 |
| * flocculant checks the wily vm | 10:04 | |
| flocculant | iso.qa fails in wily lol | 10:05 |
| knome | nope.. | 10:05 |
| knome | :P | 10:05 |
| knome | i think what we can figure out here is that it's related to the web services | 10:05 |
| knome | not us :P | 10:05 |
| flocculant | can get to wp admin on wily :) | 10:06 |
| * knome facepalms | 10:06 | |
| knome | while you are there then | 10:06 |
| flocculant | yep pretty confident that's the case | 10:06 |
| knome | do one thing | 10:06 |
| knome | go to users and find knome | 10:06 |
| knome | click on knome | 10:06 |
| flocculant | hang on ... | 10:06 |
| knome | at the bottom of that page, you should have a button that says "log off everywhere" | 10:06 |
| flocculant | logged you out | 10:07 |
| knome | ta | 10:07 |
| * knome retries | 10:08 | |
| knome | nope | 10:08 |
| knome | now i'm back to the worse situation :D | 10:08 |
| knome | not even asked for the login details | 10:08 |
| flocculant | oh dear | 10:08 |
| knome | now i am | 10:08 |
| flocculant | and Sunday and no vanguard ... | 10:08 |
| knome | but still not being able to login.. | 10:08 |
| knome | indeed | 10:09 |
| knome | wait | 10:09 |
| knome | i'm in | 10:09 |
| knome | what | 10:09 |
| * knome blinks | 10:09 | |
| flocculant | oh meh | 10:09 |
| knome | i logged out | 10:10 |
| knome | let's see if i can log in | 10:10 |
| knome | :Ð | 10:10 |
| knome | nope | 10:10 |
| knome | ;)= | 10:10 |
| flocculant | so you are unable to login from wily? | 10:11 |
| knome | i did it once | 10:11 |
| knome | but i logged out | 10:11 |
| knome | i mean - i don't need to change anything now | 10:11 |
| flocculant | yup | 10:11 |
| knome | i need to be able to log in tomorrow | 10:11 |
| knome | so i want it to work | 10:11 |
| flocculant | :) | 10:11 |
| knome | and ok, i can log in now again | 10:11 |
| knome | but not every time i think | 10:11 |
| knome | no, now it worked again | 10:11 |
| knome | but not now when i restarted ff | 10:12 |
| flocculant | I logged out of wily one - logged in, logged out at trusty - can't login | 10:13 |
| knome | yep | 10:13 |
| knome | this totally sounds/looks like a connectivity issue | 10:13 |
| flocculant | yup | 10:13 |
| knome | something isn't replying properly | 10:13 |
| knome | ok, let's hope we can log in tomorrow :P | 10:13 |
| flocculant | and I'm back to being able to apt from Main | 10:14 |
| knome | :D | 10:14 |
| knome | good | 10:14 |
| flocculant | and I logged into wp from xenial in midori | 10:15 |
| knome | eh | 10:16 |
| flocculant | and I logged into wp from xenial in ff | 10:16 |
| knome | i didn't | 10:16 |
| flocculant | someone went into the office and fed the hamsters perhaps ... | 10:17 |
| flocculant | log out then login worked | 10:17 |
| knome | i just logged in :P | 10:18 |
| knome | this is silly | 10:18 |
| knome | now that we are in | 10:18 |
| knome | are we happy with the mugshot article? | 10:18 |
| bluesabre | good morning | 10:18 |
| knome | hello bluesabre | 10:18 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: This early on a Sunday? :( | 10:19 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: morning :) | 10:19 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: yeah :( | 10:19 |
| flocculant | knome: should https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubunty-y-marketing really be xubunty ... | 10:20 |
| knome | yy | 10:20 |
| knome | :P | 10:20 |
| knome | flocculant, what do you mean | 10:20 |
| bluesabre | knome: "If you have a webcam connected, you can use it to take a photo of yourself to use." - broken and disabled in xenial | 10:20 |
| knome | you obviously mean https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-y-marketing | 10:20 |
| knome | flocculant, ;d | 10:20 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: If it makes you feel better, I'm awake, not still awake. | 10:21 |
| flocculant | knome: that'll make the filters work properly then ;) | 10:21 |
| knome | what filters? | 10:21 |
| flocculant | thunderbird ones | 10:22 |
| knome | aha :D | 10:22 |
| flocculant | not Thunderbird 1 | 10:22 |
| flocculant | :p | 10:22 |
| knome | sure? | 10:22 |
| flocculant | yup | 10:22 |
| flocculant | always preferred Thundebird 4 - much easier to make with lego in the 70's | 10:22 |
| knome | ;) | 10:22 |
| flocculant | anyway - mugshot article looks ok to me assuming bluesabre is ok with us saying "Normal users can only change their image and some fields." | 10:23 |
| knome | it doesn't say that though | 10:23 |
| flocculant | because I still haven't checked which fields a normal user | 10:23 |
| knome | :D | 10:23 |
| flocculant | knome: I'm looking at the preview, unless you recently changed it | 10:24 |
| knome | relatively | 10:24 |
| knome | like, today | 10:24 |
| knome | i changed the intro <p> | 10:24 |
| knome | now it's long | 10:24 |
| knome | it was short before | 10:24 |
| flocculant | right - so it STILL says 'some fields' | 10:24 |
| knome | i didn't touch any of the actual article thoug | 10:24 |
| knome | indeed | 10:25 |
| * knome is the wooden eye today | 10:25 | |
| flocculant | :p | 10:25 |
| flocculant | can't check right now - trusty upgrade in vm half done | 10:25 |
| knome | sure | 10:25 |
| flocculant | I'll look in a bit and update the post | 10:26 |
| knome | sure, thanks | 10:26 |
| knome | bluesabre, i guess you would fancy all the contest winners | 10:28 |
| flocculant | knome: oh yea you remind me | 10:28 |
| knome | yep, typo fix | 10:29 |
| flocculant | have you cropped the ones needing cropping yet? | 10:29 |
| knome | yes | 10:29 |
| knome | i've poked bluesabre with them in PM | 10:29 |
| flocculant | and have we sorted out the name changes we know about | 10:29 |
| knome | no | 10:29 |
| knome | i'm probably just going to disable openid logins on contest. very soon | 10:30 |
| knome | and log in there | 10:30 |
| knome | with local login, that is | 10:30 |
| flocculant | k | 10:30 |
| knome | but first, a visit to the gents :P | 10:30 |
| flocculant | :) | 10:30 |
| flocculant | knome: our wiki - forgot my password - it says it's sent a confirmation link - no it hasn't ... | 10:36 |
| knome | flocculant, hah :) | 10:38 |
| knome | flocculant, i'll debug that soon | 10:38 |
| flocculant | in the meantime set it to something please and I'll change it :) | 10:39 |
| knome | flocculant, PM | 10:40 |
| knome | flocculant, and see how i made sure you change it :P | 10:40 |
| flocculant | lol | 10:41 |
| flocculant | and done | 10:42 |
| flocculant | asap | 10:42 |
| flocculant | :) | 10:42 |
| knome | yep | 10:42 |
| flocculant | knome: how to add an image to wiki page? don't appear to be able to grab something from local | 10:52 |
| flocculant | nvm - found it by slowly mousing over every word ... | 10:53 |
| knome | flocculant, that's not perfect yet, but yeah... | 10:54 |
| flocculant | bizarre | 10:54 |
| flocculant | it failed seemingly | 10:54 |
| flocculant | then when I hit done - it had a go and it worked :p | 10:54 |
| knome | :D | 10:55 |
| flocculant | knome: shall make a start on the iso page now - I assume that qa/foo works for naming new pages | 11:00 |
| knome | flocculant, ack, that's the designed naming convention | 11:05 |
| knome | they will appear on the order of the pagename (not title) on the sitemap | 11:06 |
| knome | and the first ===== Title ===== will be what's visible in the sitemap | 11:06 |
| flocculant | knome: ok - thanks :) | 11:15 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: just finishing the mugshot post for knome - only fields a normal user cannot change appear to be phone numbers - just want to check that's right before fiddling with the post :) | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: correct | 11:23 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: awesome - thanks, can do that and forget about it :) | 11:24 |
| flocculant | assuming I can login still ... | 11:24 |
| flocculant | knome: ok - done mugshot now - details are correct. Whether we actually want to be that specific I don't know - so you can remove things if you wish :) | 11:27 |
| bluesabre | knome: is there to be an announcement page for the winners (so I can have a copyright source) | 11:39 |
| knome | bluesabre, no | 11:42 |
| bluesabre | :'( | 11:43 |
| knome | let's see if i can log in and create one | 11:46 |
| ochosi | g'day everyone | 11:56 |
| knome | hello ochosi | 11:56 |
| ochosi | only around for a few mins now | 11:56 |
| * knome starts the clock | 11:56 | |
| ochosi | but quickly wanted to check in and see how things are going with the walls | 11:57 |
| flocculant | knome: the panel layout post might benefit from an image | 11:57 |
| flocculant | ochosi: hey there :) | 11:57 |
| knome | flocculant, mhm | 11:57 |
| ochosi | and whether there are any other open issues | 11:57 |
| knome | flocculant, though i can't log in right now, so... | 11:57 |
| ochosi | so i can plan some time this week to take care of some | 11:57 |
| flocculant | knome: mmm - I am | 11:57 |
| knome | ochosi, yeah, ubuntu one logins suck :P | 11:57 |
| ochosi | heh | 11:57 |
| ochosi | so we need our own single-sign-on? :) | 11:57 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 11:57 |
| ochosi | don't you have an oauth provider for knome.fi? (: | 11:58 |
| knome | ochosi, there's the thunar stuff that would benefit from some sort of resolution, whether it was fixing the bugs or downgrading the version in xenial | 11:58 |
| ochosi | what thunar stuff? | 11:58 |
| knome | the crashes | 11:58 |
| ochosi | i saw some bugreports, what's the problem concretely? | 11:58 |
| knome | sometimes when you rename a file, thunar crashes | 11:59 |
| knome | and sometimes isn't once in a full moon, it's almost daily | 11:59 |
| knome | ochosi, and for more things to do, obviously anything from http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/s=todo,inprogress,blocked+sort=assignee+sortdir=asc | 11:59 |
| knome | ;) | 12:00 |
| knome | ochosi, it's 4 minutes now, isn't that already over "a few"? :P | 12:00 |
| ochosi | yeah, we're slowly getting there ;) | 12:00 |
| ochosi | right, but what's the culprit for the thunar crashes? is that identified already? (since you suggested downgrading thunar) | 12:01 |
| knome | not exactly, but since the previous versions had no crashes... | 12:01 |
| knome | ochosi, http://pad.ubuntu.com/thunar-bug | 12:02 |
| knome | ochosi, ^ there's something that crashes thunar for me | 12:02 |
| ochosi | well could be a problem in gvfs and then affect earlier versions of thunar to | 12:02 |
| knome | it's also relatively reliable | 12:02 |
| ochosi | o | 12:02 |
| knome | maybe | 12:02 |
| knome | but the whole situation is crap | 12:02 |
| knome | (: | 12:02 |
| ochosi | so you've tried downgrading thunar and that helped? | 12:03 |
| knome | no | 12:03 |
| ochosi | k | 12:03 |
| ochosi | so it's just an idea | 12:03 |
| knome | i don't know where i picked that information, but somebody said something about 1.6.1 | 12:03 |
| knome | i've been busy with non-thunar things, you know | 12:03 |
| ochosi | that's a fairly old version | 12:04 |
| knome | yeah... | 12:04 |
| knome | anyway, i was just giving you ideas on what to do since you asked ;) | 12:04 |
| ochosi | sure :) | 12:06 |
| ochosi | i can try to start by reproducing the bug | 12:06 |
| knome | indeed | 12:07 |
| knome | though you are running at 11 minutes | 12:07 |
| knome | tut tut! | 12:07 |
| flocculant | :) | 12:07 |
| knome | i'll boot up my xenial vbox too, update and do more tests with thunar | 12:08 |
| Unit193 | Oh joy, thunar... | 12:08 |
| ochosi | and the wallpaper stuff is going good? | 12:11 |
| ochosi | (last question then i'll run) | 12:11 |
| knome | slowly but steadily | 12:11 |
| ochosi | okeydokey | 12:12 |
| ochosi | bbl ;) | 12:12 |
| knome | hf | 12:12 |
| Nairwolf | hi guys, I wanted to work on translation of lightDM GTK+ Greeter, but what is this package exactly ? | 12:14 |
| knome | the lightdm greeter theme | 12:14 |
| knome | you are late for 16.04 though | 12:15 |
| Nairwolf | oh, really ? | 12:15 |
| Nairwolf | It will be for next release, so | 12:15 |
| knome | indeed, the translation deadline was last thursday | 12:15 |
| Nairwolf | ooh... | 12:15 |
| Nairwolf | I have light Locker Settings on my xubuntu 14.04, is it the same software ? I don't think so... | 12:16 |
| knome | no | 12:16 |
| knome | the greeter doesn't appear as a software - it is what is used on the login screen | 12:16 |
| Nairwolf | oh, ok. | 12:18 |
| Nairwolf | translations for this package are weird... | 12:18 |
| knome | ? | 12:19 |
| Nairwolf | for example, look here : https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/trunk/+pots/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/fr/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=untranslated&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all | 12:20 |
| Nairwolf | the first item is "full" in english, and the context is "option|greeter|xft-hintstyle" | 12:20 |
| knome | what's weird in that? | 12:20 |
| Nairwolf | but it doesn't really help me. How can I find where this item is used ? | 12:20 |
| Nairwolf | not weird, sorry. | 12:20 |
| knome | in the login screen | 12:21 |
| Nairwolf | ok, I will try with a vm. Thansk | 12:21 |
| Nairwolf | thanks | 12:21 |
| dkessel | knome: can't even access that pad, Launchpad sso takes forever... | 12:49 |
| knome | dkessel, egh, i know, i've been rambling about that for two days :( | 12:50 |
| knome | dkessel, basically, if you have any comments about spotify/pandora/google play music you want to share... | 12:50 |
| knome | dkessel, you can paste your comment on the channel too | 12:50 |
| dkessel | Ok not using any of these | 12:51 |
| knome | what are you using then? | 12:51 |
| Unit193 | dkessel: It's a trap! | 12:51 |
| dkessel | haha. amazon. | 12:54 |
| flocculant | knome: only just saw the mm-other one | 12:54 |
| knome | flocculant, np, it hasn't been in existence for a long time | 12:55 |
| knome | well today i'm unable to reproduce the thunar crash bug | 12:56 |
| flocculant | I must have scanned the name as mm when I looked this morning | 12:56 |
| knome | so maybe the situation isn't as bad as it was | 12:56 |
| knome | *as i thought it was | 12:56 |
| knome | mole moley | 12:56 |
| Unit193 | knome: What version? | 12:56 |
| knome | Unit193, the one in staging | 12:56 |
| Unit193 | Wow, that's good: The requested URL /openid/ was not found on this server | 12:56 |
| knome | Unit193, indeed, the logins are wonky | 12:57 |
| flocculant | knome: so you'd not tested the staging one previously? | 12:57 |
| knome | just go to the real URL again | 12:57 |
| knome | flocculant, i had... | 12:57 |
| flocculant | oh - ok - just checking :) | 12:57 |
| knome | at least i'm pretty sure i had | 12:57 |
| knome | things are a bit blurry in my head :D | 12:57 |
| knome | for various reasons... | 12:57 |
| flocculant | well - here when someone says thunar it immediately gets blurry :p | 12:58 |
| knome | maybe | 12:58 |
| knome | linking bug 1512120 to the bugs blueprint | 13:01 |
| ubottu | bug 1512120 in thunar (Ubuntu) "thunar crashes on file renaming" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512120 | 13:01 |
| knome | i also commented on the bug, asking for tests with the staging PPA | 13:01 |
| bluesabre | xubuntu-community-artwork package *slowly* uploading to -staging ppa | 13:03 |
| knome | bug 1311926 | 13:03 |
| ubottu | bug 1311926 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Renaming Bug in Thunar " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1311926 | 13:03 |
| knome | that's for the other issue in the pad | 13:03 |
| knome | well not exactly, but one of the symptoms related to that behavior | 13:04 |
| knome | bbl | 13:04 |
| bluesabre | oh | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | I need to move the meeting back... have to drop my wife off for her chicago trip in the middle of the meeting time | 13:05 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I'll be about whenever | 13:06 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Make it a short one. ;) | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | :D | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | we like to rattle on sometimes, not so easy | 13:06 |
| flocculant | not of late ;) | 13:07 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Tip, /mode +m | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | :D | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | maybe... 17:30 UTC? | 13:07 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: But yeah, that's fine as far as I'm concerned too. I'll check backlog. | 13:07 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: that's forward :p | 13:10 |
| bluesabre | back/forward, all tricky when applied to time | 13:12 |
| flocculant | yep for sure :) | 13:13 |
| bluesabre | changed in all the relevant places | 13:14 |
| bluesabre | bbl | 13:14 |
| knome | bluesabre, move the meeting to your back! | 13:14 |
| * knome reserves the soft seat | 13:14 | |
| * flocculant won't comment | 13:14 | |
| flocculant | on that | 13:14 |
| flocculant | knome: added tomahawk to mm-other | 13:14 |
| knome | ack | 13:14 |
| knome | btw, if you want and know the dev communities, feel free to ask for short passages for the article | 13:15 |
| knome | (a la amarok) | 13:15 |
| flocculant | I don't | 13:16 |
| knome | or if you are feeling adventurous | 13:16 |
| knome | :P | 13:16 |
| knome | the tomahawk irc channel might even be active | 13:16 |
| flocculant | I added some to the amarok note too btw | 13:17 |
| knome | noticed | 13:17 |
| knome | i'm disconnected... | 13:17 |
| flocculant | :) | 13:17 |
| knome | (surprise) | 13:17 |
| knome | let's see if i can log back in | 13:17 |
| knome | noep | 13:18 |
| knome | sigh | 13:18 |
| knome | :) | 13:18 |
| knome | now i am | 13:18 |
| flocculant | you could try the wiki - but you'd not know if it was *this* making it slow to login :p | 13:19 |
| knome | :P | 13:19 |
| knome | i prefer pad when collaborating | 13:19 |
| knome | we could use any other pad though | 13:19 |
| flocculant | yea | 13:19 |
| knome | but since this is already here.. | 13:19 |
| flocculant | :) | 13:19 |
| knome | the no space between website and parenthesis is intentional btw | 13:20 |
| flocculant | ok | 13:20 |
| knome | that reminds me i should make those urls links with the website text | 13:20 |
| flocculant | knome: I would say do you want this put on x.org - but then you'd not be able to edit :D | 13:21 |
| knome | yep... | 13:21 |
| knome | and i do want to, at some point | 13:21 |
| knome | but not yet, because it's still in flux | 13:21 |
| flocculant | yup | 13:23 |
| knome | so i added a list of the irc channels on the pad if somebody wishes to go poking | 13:25 |
| knome | on and off from kb again | 13:27 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: xubuntu-community-artwork is in -staging now, if you want to take a peek | 13:32 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: \o/ | 13:33 |
| flocculant | 20MB - not too bad then - much smaller than a font package ... | 13:34 |
| flocculant | really should clean up the wallpaper folder here - not really a need for 293 images ... | 13:39 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: if you by chance do anything with release note between now and release - please do that at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/FinalRelease/Xubuntu | 13:47 |
| flocculant | the one I use to base them off is now cleared | 13:48 |
| flocculant | wandering off now | 13:48 |
| bluesabre | !team | meeting in 4 minutes :) | 17:26 |
| ubottu | meeting in 4 minutes :): bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 | 17:26 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: going to be in and out a bit | 17:26 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: np | 17:27 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: your name isn't until the end anyway | 17:27 |
| flocculant | would be easier if it was at the beginning :p | 17:29 |
| bluesabre | #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting | 17:30 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Sun Apr 10 17:30:21 2016 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:30 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 17:30 |
| bluesabre | Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 17:30 |
| bluesabre | Hey everyone! Who's here for the meeting? | 17:30 |
| flocculant | o/ | 17:30 |
| bluesabre | I'll give folks a few minutes to roll in | 17:31 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 17:31 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: just while we're doing that - the wallpaper package seems to want to be autoremoved | 17:32 |
| bluesabre | hey pleia2 | 17:32 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: hm? | 17:32 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: there might be some tweaks I need to do to the package, I'll check it out after the meeting | 17:33 |
| flocculant | okey doke | 17:33 |
| bluesabre | looks like this could be a short meeting | 17:35 |
| slickymaster | o/ | 17:35 |
| slickymaster | made it | 17:35 |
| bluesabre | yesss | 17:35 |
| bluesabre | hi slickymaster | 17:35 |
| slickymaster | hi bluesabre | 17:35 |
| bluesabre | now we probably have enough to have a discussion | 17:35 |
| slickymaster | hi flocculant and pleia2 | 17:35 |
| bluesabre | #topic Open Action Items | 17:35 |
| bluesabre | Pretty sure there are none... | 17:36 |
| slickymaster | nothing in the agenda anyway | 17:36 |
| bluesabre | yup | 17:36 |
| bluesabre | next up | 17:36 |
| bluesabre | #topic Updates and Announcements | 17:36 |
| pleia2 | the article series' seem to be getting a lot of views on social media, good feedback here and there | 17:37 |
| pleia2 | not overwhelmingly so, but for short articles I think it's gone well | 17:37 |
| flocculant | at least 1 I read was of the 'these are useful' type :) | 17:37 |
| flocculant | afaik not many left to go | 17:37 |
| bluesabre | #info The non-language pack translation deadline was Thursday April 8, so no more translations for our apps | 17:38 |
| Nairwolf | hi, I'm here ;) | 17:38 |
| bluesabre | pleia2: that's good to hear :) | 17:38 |
| bluesabre | hi Nairwolf | 17:38 |
| pleia2 | #info "The small details" and "My media manager" article series' are doing well | 17:39 |
| Nairwolf | pleia2: I've contacted the french team of xubuntu.fr, and I will translate these articles for french community. | 17:39 |
| bluesabre | #info the wallpaper contest has concluded and the winners have been chosen. A new xubuntu-community-artwork package will be uploaded today with the new wallpapers | 17:39 |
| Nairwolf | oh, great ! | 17:39 |
| slickymaster | #info Final Freeze and RC are just 4 days away | 17:39 |
| flocculant | #undo | 17:40 |
| flocculant | RC might be :p | 17:40 |
| flocculant | oh sorry - not reading properly | 17:40 |
| pleia2 | Nairwolf: did we agree to do that? I thought the articles were not part of our translation plan | 17:40 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: #redo? :D | 17:40 |
| pleia2 | we wanted to focus on a set of to-be-determined core content from the website first | 17:41 |
| flocculant | #info Final Freeze and RC are just 4 days away | 17:41 |
| Nairwolf | pleia2: that was a personal initiative. Do you think it's a bad idea ? | 17:41 |
| pleia2 | Nairwolf: well, knome and I had already been talking about website translations, and since he's the website lead I would have checked with him before going out on your own | 17:42 |
| pleia2 | Nairwolf: websites are an important part of our branding, and we need to be in agreement about these things | 17:42 |
| pleia2 | so looping me in as marking lead would have been good too | 17:42 |
| pleia2 | we're also working with the owner of xubuntu.se to do similar | 17:42 |
| pleia2 | it's concerning to see a proliferation of other language sites that we have no influence over | 17:43 |
| Nairwolf | ok, I've just sending a mail this morning. Don't worry. I will send a mail to you and to knome, in order to talk you about that. | 17:44 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 17:44 |
| bluesabre | Might be something worthwhile to include on the contributor docs going forward | 17:44 |
| pleia2 | bluesabre: ++ | 17:45 |
| flocculant | yep | 17:45 |
| slickymaster | yes | 17:45 |
| * flocculant looks forward to when contr docs are more than a few little bits and loads of qa :p | 17:45 | |
| bluesabre | Any other updates and/or announcements? | 17:45 |
| flocculant | not that I'm aware of | 17:46 |
| bluesabre | probably safe to move on then | 17:46 |
| bluesabre | #topic Discussion | 17:46 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic PDF in docs | 17:46 |
| bluesabre | ^ knome, slickymaster, krytarik? | 17:46 |
| slickymaster | well, knome and krytarik are/were workinh on that | 17:47 |
| slickymaster | but as far as I know it's not solved yet | 17:47 |
| bluesabre | seems like a difficult task to fully resolve | 17:48 |
| pleia2 | fwiw, people I am in contact with on social media continue to like the idea of having them | 17:48 |
| flocculant | thought it was | 17:48 |
| pleia2 | so it's valuable to get solved | 17:48 |
| slickymaster | yes | 17:48 |
| flocculant | pdf's build locally here | 17:48 |
| bluesabre | aha | 17:48 |
| bluesabre | I think it is resolved | 17:48 |
| flocculant | I thought it was | 17:49 |
| slickymaster | they don't in my xenial VM box | 17:49 |
| bluesabre | xubuntu-docs (16.04.3) xenial; urgency=medium | 17:49 |
| bluesabre | * Create temporary symlinks while creating PDFs (fixes FTBFS, thanks Krytarik) | 17:49 |
| bluesabre | * Drop contributor documentation from the default build | 17:49 |
| slickymaster | missed that one[5~ | 17:49 |
| slickymaster | thanks bluesabre | 17:49 |
| bluesabre | something might have broken since then, so don't take my word for it :D | 17:49 |
| bluesabre | that wraps up that topic then | 17:50 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic core situation | 17:50 |
| slickymaster | yeaps | 17:50 |
| bluesabre | ^ Unit193 | 17:50 |
| bluesabre | Pretty sure we're stuck in the same place on this one... we can't quite get our patches merged to enable this | 17:50 |
| flocculant | yea - afaik no movement - there was discussion amongst us to target .1 | 17:51 |
| bluesabre | and if anything, we're not looking to include this in 16.04.0 since its so late already | 17:51 |
| bluesabre | yup | 17:51 |
| flocculant | and Unit193's community build is failing to install afaik | 17:51 |
| bluesabre | ah | 17:51 |
| bluesabre | that's disappointing | 17:52 |
| flocculant | and even if they came through tomorrow with core - you'd get a massive -1 from me now | 17:52 |
| flocculant | much much too late ;) | 17:52 |
| bluesabre | yup, same here | 17:52 |
| bluesabre | so core is on hold for now | 17:52 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic Seeding Snappy | 17:53 |
| bluesabre | ^ (that's me and Unit193) | 17:53 |
| flocculant | Unit193> [05:11:19] flocculant: So yes, failing still/now. Setting up locales again. | 17:53 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: that's Unit193's build ^^ | 17:53 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: aha, thanks for that | 17:53 |
| bluesabre | Regarding Snappy, we had a (very) early meeting with Snappy folks a few days ago | 17:54 |
| flocculant | brb | 17:54 |
| bluesabre | They're looking to include support for it in 16.04 | 17:54 |
| bluesabre | Snappy coexists alongside the debian packaging system, so this should in no way interfere with our current workflow | 17:54 |
| bluesabre | The consideration here is to include the snappy launcher in every flavor, or possibly let the flavors decide on their own | 17:55 |
| bluesabre | It looks like it would add ~26mb to the installation, though I suggested adding support in Gnome Software to just install the launcher when a snappy app is installed | 17:56 |
| bluesabre | and that's roughly all I have for that | 17:56 |
| bluesabre | (just letting everybody in to the loop there) | 17:57 |
| bluesabre | and with no decision on that in my head, next up | 17:59 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic Release Candidate | 17:59 |
| bluesabre | ^ flocculant | 17:59 |
| flocculant | back just | 18:00 |
| flocculant | so RC next week sometime | 18:01 |
| flocculant | please try and get some testing of iso's done | 18:01 |
| flocculant | pleia2: I'll make sure to mail LP testers about that too | 18:01 |
| flocculant | pretty much nothing going on with the installer *we* can deal with | 18:02 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: is the installer haven't issues again? | 18:02 |
| flocculant | upgrades seem to be ok now too - not that we'll be necessarily testing them | 18:02 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: not that I know of | 18:02 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: great | 18:02 |
| pleia2 | I'll make sure it's shared | 18:02 |
| bluesabre | cool | 18:02 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: well things like vm's never changes - and some of the odd crypt install/oem install things have bugs | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: why re: not testing them? | 18:03 |
| flocculant | pleia2: thanks :) | 18:03 |
| Nairwolf | flocculant: I'm not sure to understand. Is it ok with upgrades ? | 18:03 |
| flocculant | pleia2: upgrades? | 18:03 |
| Nairwolf | upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 works ? | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: yeah | 18:03 |
| flocculant | because it's switched on for .1 usually | 18:03 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: I'm guessing we'll be sending a link to the in-progress release notes in the ML once the RC images are available so folks know what to look for? | 18:04 |
| flocculant | so people *might* but they'll not be *prompted* by updates | 18:04 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: oh right, gotchat :) | 18:04 |
| pleia2 | -t | 18:04 |
| bluesabre | gochat? | 18:04 |
| bluesabre | :D | 18:04 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: yup that's the plan | 18:04 |
| slickymaster | :) | 18:04 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: good deal :) | 18:04 |
| flocculant | talking of which I'll just quickly mention wiki release note | 18:05 |
| flocculant | next cycle - I'll be gettting that together at cycle start and using just the one for the whole cycle | 18:05 |
| Nairwolf | from the releaseCandidate to the final Release, the iso can still evolve ? | 18:05 |
| flocculant | it'll get updated throughout | 18:06 |
| bluesabre | Nairwolf: yes, there may still be bugs fixed in that time, and hopefully not too many other updates beside that | 18:06 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: for sure - if canonical and us fix things - it'll get respun | 18:06 |
| bluesabre | anything else in regards to the RC? | 18:07 |
| Nairwolf | ok, so the finalFreeze isn't a real 'freeze', right ? | 18:07 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: nope - all done :) | 18:08 |
| Nairwolf | it's just fixing bugs, right ? | 18:08 |
| bluesabre | Nairwolf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze | 18:08 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: thanks | 18:08 |
| bluesabre | #topic Any other business | 18:09 |
| Nairwolf | bluesabre: Thanks ! | 18:09 |
| bluesabre | Anybody got anything else to add for the meeting? | 18:09 |
| flocculant | not me | 18:09 |
| slickymaster | nothing heer | 18:09 |
| slickymaster | * here | 18:09 |
| bluesabre | pleia2: anything from you? (make it something awesome) | 18:10 |
| pleia2 | I love you all | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | that's it | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | well done | 18:11 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 18:11 |
| slickymaster | \o/ | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | #topic Schedule next meeting | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | knome to schedule next meeting | 18:11 |
| ochosi | meh | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | And we're out | 18:11 |
| ochosi | too latae | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | ah | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | #undo | 18:11 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: TOPIC | 18:11 |
| ochosi | sry, had to get the little one to bed | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | hi ochosi | 18:11 |
| ochosi | let me see how quickly i can skim through the backlog | 18:12 |
| bluesabre | anything to add to the end of the meeting? | 18:12 |
| bluesabre | ok | 18:12 |
| ochosi | or are there any concrete questions for me? | 18:12 |
| bluesabre | I don't know enough about concrete to make a good pun here | 18:12 |
| bluesabre | :( | 18:12 |
| flocculant | hah | 18:13 |
| ochosi | :) | 18:14 |
| ochosi | alrighty, caught up | 18:14 |
| * bluesabre hands the mic to ochosi | 18:15 | |
| ochosi | not much from my side, i'm a bit unsure about where snappy will take us and whether the snappy launcher can't be a depend of all snappy packages (which begs the question why we need it by default) | 18:15 |
| ochosi | but since this seems to be only the initial stage i guess we might have to wait a bit longer to see about that | 18:16 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: partially because snappy packages are not deb packages, so they can't auto-pull deb requirements (is my guess) | 18:16 |
| bluesabre | but yeah, kind of a wait and see game currently | 18:16 |
| ochosi | i thought they shouldn't? (at least that's what i understood there) | 18:16 |
| ochosi | thought they should be little independent thingies that have everything they need inside | 18:17 |
| bluesabre | except they need a launcher/runtime | 18:17 |
| bluesabre | but at the same time, I haven't played with it myself yet, so I can't say for sure | 18:17 |
| bluesabre | I'll see if I can get the next meeting at a time that you can also join in | 18:18 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: anything else for the meeting? | 18:18 |
| ochosi | ok sure | 18:18 |
| ochosi | no, nothing else | 18:18 |
| bluesabre | alrighty then | 18:19 |
| bluesabre | anybody else? | 18:19 |
| * bluesabre likes to stall | 18:19 | |
| flocculant | ummm | 18:19 |
| flocculant | nope :p | 18:19 |
| bluesabre | :) | 18:19 |
| ochosi | :) | 18:20 |
| bluesabre | Let's wrap it up then | 18:20 |
| ochosi | yup | 18:20 |
| bluesabre | #topic Schedule next meeting | 18:20 |
| bluesabre | #info knome to schedule next meeting | 18:20 |
| bluesabre | #endmeeting | 18:20 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Sun Apr 10 18:20:16 2016 UTC. | 18:20 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-04-10-17.30.moin.txt | 18:20 |
| flocculant | thanks bluesabre :) | 18:20 |
| slickymaster | thanks bluesabre | 18:20 |
| bluesabre | thanks everybody, good meeting! | 18:20 |
| pleia2 | thanks for chairing | 18:20 |
| * slickymaster wonders off to the kitchen to prepare some sort of a dinner | 18:20 | |
| flocculant | I'd wander personally - but no idea what your house is like :p | 18:21 |
| bluesabre | makes you wonder, doesn't it | 18:21 |
| flocculant | yea it does | 18:21 |
| flocculant | this bug blueprint tracking is a pita, things on there sort of fixed - stay there :p | 18:22 |
| flocculant | until I get around to the y blueprint and I'll move them ... | 18:22 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: is bug 1402036 fixed? invalid or something | 18:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1402036 in Mugshot "Mugshot authentication failed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1402036 | 18:25 |
| flocculant | biab | 18:25 |
| bluesabre | wiki updated | 18:28 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: bug 1402036 ? | 18:30 |
| ubottu | bug 1402036 in Mugshot "Mugshot authentication failed" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1402036 | 18:30 |
| bluesabre | looks fixed to me | 18:31 |
| bluesabre | >.> | 18:31 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i read that there are issues with light-locker-settings not starting up | 18:32 |
| ochosi | not sure we're still maintaining that one | 18:32 |
| ochosi | could be a trivial fix | 18:32 |
| ochosi | or should we mark it dead somewhere somehow? | 18:33 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: :p | 18:33 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: I'm going to try to get it working again today | 18:34 |
| bluesabre | but yes, should be trivial | 18:34 |
| flocculant | must say it's nice to have people not in -team actually speaking up during meetings about things :) | 18:35 |
| bluesabre | yes, definitely | 18:37 |
| bluesabre | "community meeting" | 18:37 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: nice :) | 18:37 |
| pavlushka | date&time is showing UTC+0 though UTC+6 is selected, syncing with ntp I guess, where's the problem? | 19:12 |
| pavlushka | internet sync selected, I am up but it is showing UTC+0 time for more than 6 hours now. | 19:14 |
| flocculant | what? | 19:31 |
| flocculant | quite honestly given all the issues you appear to get - I would clean install | 19:32 |
| pavlushka | the upgrades are not enough? | 19:36 |
| flocculant | pavlushka: well you appear to have nothing but trouble - even ignoring the trying to get suspend working on the broken laptop | 19:37 |
| flocculant | there often comes a time when it's just better to re-install - you are after all using an un-released version of xubuntu | 19:38 |
| pavlushka | ok, I am considering your suggestion,:p , actually its a :p to me. | 19:40 |
| pavlushka | Good night flocculant ! | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | knome: oh, I should chime in on this cloud player article, editing etherpad assuming it's not too late ;) | 19:51 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: got a good version of the package now that doesn't want to remove itself | 19:55 |
| bluesabre | I'll go ahead and upload this | 19:56 |
| * bluesabre really likes the community wallpapers this time around | 19:56 | |
| pleia2 | I like ours more than the default Ubuntu ones (and I voted on those too) | 19:59 |
| knome | pleia2, not too late | 20:02 |
| pleia2 | knome: ok, done :) | 20:03 |
| knome | pleia2, Nairwolf: on translating articles to other language, i'm fine with that | 20:04 |
| knome | but it will have to be hosted somewhere else than x.org | 20:05 |
| knome | but since Nairwolf mentioned xubuntu.fr... | 20:05 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: cheers :) | 20:07 |
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