[07:32] <flocculant> Unit193: ok 
[09:42] <knome> jjfrv8, dkessel: want to add any comments to http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-cloud ?
[09:42] <knome> pleia2, ^ you too
[09:43] <knome> also anybody interested can check http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-other
[09:44] <flocculant> I did look - just to see if I was interested in that cloudy foofoo stuff - but wasn't :p
[09:45] <knome> flocculant, sigh :)
[09:46] <knome> flocculant, i understand you don't like the cloud stuff, and i don't like it much either, but it's still a huge thing for many, so please :)
[09:46] <knome> anyway, can you log in to any of our wordpress sites?
[09:47] <knome> i still can't, and i even filed an RT ticket
[09:47] <knome> going to be fun if this continues to next week
[09:47] <flocculant> knome: I did look - nothing I could add
[09:47] <knome> no worries
[09:47] <knome> but that WP thing??!! :P
[09:48] <flocculant> knome: checking
[09:48] <knome> thanks
[09:48] <flocculant> mmm
[09:48] <flocculant> Firefox can't find the server at login.ubuntu.com
[09:48] <knome> oh
[09:48] <knome> it can for me though
[09:48] <flocculant> hang on
[09:49] <flocculant> in to contest
[09:49] <knome> i mean at least if i access that url
[09:49] <knome> on contest it tries to access login.launchpad.net for me (atm)
[09:50] <knome> if i go to that or l.o.c manually on the browser, it loads and shows my login stuff
[09:50] <flocculant> can't seemingly login to the normal wordpress place
[09:50] <knome> yeah
[09:50] <knome> :(
[09:51] <flocculant> chromium fails too for the normal wp - dns address not found
[09:51] <knome> by normal you mean the main site? :P
[09:51] <flocculant> yea
[09:51] <knome> yep
[09:51] <knome> sigh
[09:51] <knome> i don't think it's a browser issue
[09:52] <flocculant> seems not
[09:52] <knome> but it's also not completely a ubuntu one issue
[09:52] <knome> because i've got better luck logging in to pad today
[09:52] <knome> and logging in to rt.ubuntu.com works with no problems
[09:52] <knome> same with relogging to launchpad
[09:52] <flocculant> knome: well getting to main site - fails at login.ubuntu.com
[09:53] <flocculant> packages.qa.ubuntu.com seems to be down
[09:53] <knome> yeah, i'm just getting to the "please wait" page, then it waits on login.ubuntu.com/launchpad.net
[09:53] <knome> eventually i got the "connection reset" eg. too slow to respond message
[09:53] <flocculant> iso.qa same
[09:53] <knome> crappety crap
[09:54] <knome> that's not even wordpress
[09:54] <flocculant> right
[09:55] <knome> hmm
[09:55] <knome> that works for me though
[09:55] <knome> and now i got to a different place with x.org too
[09:55] <flocculant> and from trusty vm I am in to the main site
[09:56] <knome> but still not logging
[09:56] <knome> huh
[09:56] <knome> o.o
[09:56] <knome> so maybe it's some new security stuff in browsers
[09:56]  * knome installs midori
[09:56] <flocculant> and to iso.qa
[09:56] <knome> yep, iso.qa worked for me with ff
[09:57] <flocculant> mmm
[09:57] <flocculant> not installing midori here ... 
[09:57] <flocculant> Cannot initiate the connection to archive.ubuntu.com:80
[09:58] <knome> uhh
[09:58] <knome> so maybe it's a server connectivity problem
[09:58] <knome> can't login with midori either..
[09:58] <flocculant> can you apt-get update?
[09:59] <flocculant> Err:11 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[09:59] <flocculant>   Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[09:59] <knome> with fi.archive
[09:59] <flocculant> right - set to main here 
[09:59] <knome> and i got a ping reply from archive.
[09:59] <knome> but since it's pointing to several mirrors...
[10:00] <knome> no, i'm consistently getting ping replies
[10:00] <flocculant> UK is failing - but unsurprising - probably in the same room :p
[10:00] <flocculant> 2,817 B/s to UK ... 
[10:01] <flocculant> connects fine to some random US server
[10:01] <knome> maybe you are redirected to different mirrors based on your location
[10:02] <flocculant> well generally I stick to Main
[10:02] <knome> yeah but that still isn't just one place
[10:02] <knome> it's just a frontend to several mirrors
[10:02] <knome> so it might decide X is better for you
[10:02] <knome> but that Y is better for me
[10:02] <knome> and if Y works, i don't get the error
[10:02] <flocculant> well the UK one should be in the UK - that was dog slow
[10:02] <knome> otoh, if X doesn't...
[10:02] <knome> heh
[10:02] <flocculant> US one works
[10:02] <flocculant> but
[10:02] <knome> mhm
[10:03] <flocculant> that doesn't surely make any difference to me getting x.org login from trusty but not xenial 
[10:03] <knome> no
[10:03] <knome> and i'm no wily
[10:04] <knome> *on
[10:04] <knome> now the login says "waiting for xubuntu.org..."
[10:04]  * flocculant checks the wily vm
[10:05] <flocculant> iso.qa fails in wily lol
[10:05] <knome> nope..
[10:05] <knome> :P
[10:05] <knome> i think what we can figure out here is that it's related to the web services
[10:05] <knome> not us :P
[10:06] <flocculant> can get to wp admin on wily :)
[10:06]  * knome facepalms
[10:06] <knome> while you are there then
[10:06] <flocculant> yep pretty confident that's the case 
[10:06] <knome> do one thing
[10:06] <knome> go to users and find knome
[10:06] <knome> click on knome
[10:06] <flocculant> hang on ... 
[10:06] <knome> at the bottom of that page, you should have a button that says "log off everywhere"
[10:07] <flocculant> logged you out 
[10:07] <knome> ta
[10:08]  * knome retries
[10:08] <knome> nope
[10:08] <knome> now i'm back to the worse situation :D
[10:08] <knome> not even asked for the login details
[10:08] <flocculant> oh dear
[10:08] <knome> now i am
[10:08] <flocculant> and Sunday and no vanguard ... 
[10:08] <knome> but still not being able to login..
[10:09] <knome> indeed
[10:09] <knome> wait
[10:09] <knome> i'm in
[10:09] <knome> what
[10:09]  * knome blinks
[10:09] <flocculant> oh meh
[10:10] <knome> i logged out
[10:10] <knome> let's see if i can log in 
[10:10] <knome> :Ð
[10:10] <knome> nope
[10:10] <knome> ;)=
[10:11] <flocculant> so you are unable to login from wily? 
[10:11] <knome> i did it once
[10:11] <knome> but i logged out
[10:11] <knome> i mean - i don't need to change anything now
[10:11] <flocculant> yup
[10:11] <knome> i need to be able to log in tomorrow
[10:11] <knome> so i want it to work
[10:11] <flocculant> :)
[10:11] <knome> and ok, i can log in now again
[10:11] <knome> but not every time i think
[10:11] <knome> no, now it worked again
[10:12] <knome> but not now when i restarted ff
[10:13] <flocculant> I logged out of wily one - logged in, logged out at trusty - can't login
[10:13] <knome> yep
[10:13] <knome> this totally sounds/looks like a connectivity issue
[10:13] <flocculant> yup
[10:13] <knome> something isn't replying properly
[10:13] <knome> ok, let's hope we can log in tomorrow :P
[10:14] <flocculant> and I'm back to being able to apt from Main
[10:14] <knome> :D
[10:14] <knome> good
[10:15] <flocculant> and I logged into wp from xenial in midori
[10:16] <knome> eh
[10:16] <flocculant> and I logged into wp from xenial in ff
[10:16] <knome> i didn't
[10:17] <flocculant> someone went into the office and fed the hamsters perhaps ... 
[10:17] <flocculant> log out then login worked
[10:18] <knome> i just logged in :P
[10:18] <knome> this is silly
[10:18] <knome> now that we are in
[10:18] <knome> are we happy with the mugshot article?
[10:18] <bluesabre> good morning
[10:18] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[10:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: This early on a Sunday? :(
[10:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: morning :)
[10:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah :(
[10:20] <flocculant> knome: should https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubunty-y-marketing really be xubunty ... 
[10:20] <knome> yy
[10:20] <knome> :P
[10:20] <knome> flocculant, what do you mean
[10:20] <bluesabre> knome: "If you have a webcam connected, you can use it to take a photo of yourself to use." - broken and disabled in xenial
[10:20] <knome> you obviously mean https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-y-marketing
[10:20] <knome> flocculant, ;d
[10:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: If it makes you feel better, I'm awake, not still awake.
[10:21] <flocculant> knome: that'll make the filters work properly then ;)
[10:21] <knome> what filters?
[10:22] <flocculant> thunderbird ones
[10:22] <knome> aha :D
[10:22] <flocculant> not Thunderbird 1 
[10:22] <flocculant> :p
[10:22] <knome> sure?
[10:22] <flocculant> yup
[10:22] <flocculant> always preferred Thundebird 4 - much easier to make with lego in the 70's
[10:22] <knome> ;)
[10:23] <flocculant> anyway - mugshot article looks ok to me assuming bluesabre is ok with us saying "Normal users can only change their image and some fields."
[10:23] <knome> it doesn't say that though
[10:23] <flocculant> because I still haven't checked which fields a normal user 
[10:23] <knome> :D
[10:24] <flocculant> knome: I'm looking at the preview, unless you recently changed it 
[10:24] <knome> relatively
[10:24] <knome> like, today
[10:24] <knome> i changed the intro <p>
[10:24] <knome> now it's long
[10:24] <knome> it was short before
[10:24] <flocculant> right - so it STILL says 'some fields' 
[10:24] <knome> i didn't touch any of the actual article thoug
[10:25] <knome> indeed
[10:25]  * knome is the wooden eye today
[10:25] <flocculant> :p
[10:25] <flocculant> can't check right now - trusty upgrade in vm half done
[10:25] <knome> sure
[10:26] <flocculant> I'll look in a bit and update the post
[10:26] <knome> sure, thanks
[10:28] <knome> bluesabre, i guess you would fancy all the contest winners
[10:28] <flocculant> knome: oh yea you remind me 
[10:29] <knome> yep, typo fix
[10:29] <flocculant> have you cropped the ones needing cropping yet? 
[10:29] <knome> yes
[10:29] <knome> i've poked bluesabre with them in PM
[10:29] <flocculant> and have we sorted out the name changes we know about 
[10:29] <knome> no
[10:30] <knome> i'm probably just going to disable openid logins on contest. very soon
[10:30] <knome> and log in there
[10:30] <knome> with local login, that is
[10:30] <flocculant> k
[10:30] <knome> but first, a visit to the gents :P
[10:30] <flocculant> :)
[10:36] <flocculant> knome: our wiki - forgot my password - it says it's sent a confirmation link - no it hasn't ... 
[10:38] <knome> flocculant, hah :)
[10:38] <knome> flocculant, i'll debug that soon
[10:39] <flocculant> in the meantime set it to something please and I'll change it :)
[10:40] <knome> flocculant, PM
[10:40] <knome> flocculant, and see how i made sure you change it :P
[10:41] <flocculant> lol
[10:42] <flocculant> and done
[10:42] <flocculant> asap
[10:42] <flocculant> :)
[10:42] <knome> yep
[10:52] <flocculant> knome: how to add an image to wiki page? don't appear to be able to grab something from local 
[10:53] <flocculant> nvm - found it by slowly mousing over every word ... 
[10:54] <knome> flocculant, that's not perfect yet, but yeah...
[10:54] <flocculant> bizarre 
[10:54] <flocculant> it failed seemingly
[10:54] <flocculant> then when I hit done - it had a go and it worked :p
[10:55] <knome> :D
[11:00] <flocculant> knome: shall make a start on the iso page now - I assume that qa/foo works for naming new pages
[11:05] <knome> flocculant, ack, that's the designed naming convention
[11:06] <knome> they will appear on the order of the pagename (not title) on the sitemap
[11:06] <knome> and the first [11:15] <flocculant> knome: ok - thanks :)
[11:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: just finishing the mugshot post for knome - only fields a normal user cannot change appear to be phone numbers - just want to check that's right before fiddling with the post :)
[11:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: correct
[11:24] <flocculant> bluesabre: awesome - thanks, can do that and forget about it :)
[11:24] <flocculant> assuming I can login still ... 
[11:27] <flocculant> knome: ok - done mugshot now - details are correct. Whether we actually want to be that specific I don't know - so you can remove things if you wish :)
[11:39] <bluesabre> knome: is there to be an announcement page for the winners (so I can have a copyright source)
[11:42] <knome> bluesabre, no
[11:43] <bluesabre> :'(
[11:46] <knome> let's see if i can log in and create one
[11:56] <ochosi> g'day everyone
[11:56] <knome> hello ochosi 
[11:56] <ochosi> only around for a few mins now
[11:56]  * knome starts the clock
[11:57] <ochosi> but quickly wanted to check in and see how things are going with the walls
[11:57] <flocculant> knome: the panel layout post might benefit from an image
[11:57] <flocculant> ochosi: hey there :)
[11:57] <knome> flocculant, mhm
[11:57] <ochosi> and whether there are any other open issues
[11:57] <knome> flocculant, though i can't log in right now, so...
[11:57] <ochosi> so i can plan some time this week to take care of some
[11:57] <flocculant> knome: mmm - I am 
[11:57] <knome> ochosi, yeah, ubuntu one logins suck :P
[11:57] <ochosi> heh
[11:57] <ochosi> so we need our own single-sign-on? :)
[11:57] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[11:58] <ochosi> don't you have an oauth provider for knome.fi? (:
[11:58] <knome> ochosi, there's the thunar stuff that would benefit from some sort of resolution, whether it was fixing the bugs or downgrading the version in xenial
[11:58] <ochosi> what thunar stuff?
[11:58] <knome> the crashes
[11:58] <ochosi> i saw some bugreports, what's the problem concretely?
[11:59] <knome> sometimes when you rename a file, thunar crashes
[11:59] <knome> and sometimes isn't once in a full moon, it's almost daily
[11:59] <knome> ochosi, and for more things to do, obviously anything from http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/s=todo,inprogress,blocked+sort=assignee+sortdir=asc
[12:00] <knome> ;)
[12:00] <knome> ochosi, it's 4 minutes now, isn't that already over "a few"? :P
[12:00] <ochosi> yeah, we're slowly getting there ;)
[12:01] <ochosi> right, but what's the culprit for the thunar crashes? is that identified already? (since you suggested downgrading thunar)
[12:01] <knome> not exactly, but since the previous versions had no crashes...
[12:02] <knome> ochosi, http://pad.ubuntu.com/thunar-bug
[12:02] <knome> ochosi, ^ there's something that crashes thunar for me
[12:02] <ochosi> well could be a problem in gvfs and then affect earlier versions of thunar to
[12:02] <knome> it's also relatively reliable
[12:02] <ochosi> o
[12:02] <knome> maybe
[12:02] <knome> but the whole situation is crap
[12:02] <knome> (:
[12:03] <ochosi> so you've tried downgrading thunar and that helped?
[12:03] <knome> no
[12:03] <ochosi> k
[12:03] <ochosi> so it's just an idea
[12:03] <knome> i don't know where i picked that information, but somebody said something about 1.6.1
[12:03] <knome> i've been busy with non-thunar things, you know
[12:04] <ochosi> that's a fairly old version
[12:04] <knome> yeah...
[12:04] <knome> anyway, i was just giving you ideas on what to do since you asked ;)
[12:06] <ochosi> sure :)
[12:06] <ochosi> i can try to start by reproducing the bug
[12:07] <knome> indeed
[12:07] <knome> though you are running at 11 minutes
[12:07] <knome> tut tut!
[12:07] <flocculant> :)
[12:08] <knome> i'll boot up my xenial vbox too, update and do more tests with  thunar
[12:08] <Unit193> Oh joy, thunar...
[12:11] <ochosi> and the wallpaper stuff is going good?
[12:11] <ochosi> (last question then i'll run)
[12:11] <knome> slowly but steadily
[12:12] <ochosi> okeydokey
[12:12] <ochosi> bbl ;)
[12:12] <knome> hf
[12:14] <Nairwolf> hi guys, I wanted to work on translation of lightDM GTK+ Greeter, but what is this package exactly ? 
[12:14] <knome> the lightdm greeter theme
[12:15] <knome> you are late for 16.04 though
[12:15] <Nairwolf> oh, really ? 
[12:15] <Nairwolf> It will be for next release, so
[12:15] <knome> indeed, the translation deadline was last thursday
[12:15] <Nairwolf> ooh...
[12:16] <Nairwolf> I have light Locker Settings on my xubuntu 14.04, is it the same software ? I don't think so...
[12:16] <knome> no
[12:16] <knome> the greeter doesn't appear as a software - it is what is used on the login screen
[12:18] <Nairwolf> oh, ok. 
[12:18] <Nairwolf> translations for this package are weird...
[12:19] <knome> ?
[12:20] <Nairwolf> for example, look here : https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/trunk/+pots/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/fr/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=untranslated&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all
[12:20] <Nairwolf> the first item is "full" in english, and the context is "option|greeter|xft-hintstyle"
[12:20] <knome> what's weird in that?
[12:20] <Nairwolf> but it doesn't really help me. How can I find where this item is used ? 
[12:20] <Nairwolf> not weird, sorry. 
[12:21] <knome> in the login screen
[12:21] <Nairwolf> ok, I will try with a vm. Thansk
[12:21] <Nairwolf> thanks
[12:49] <dkessel> knome: can't even access that pad, Launchpad sso takes forever...
[12:50] <knome> dkessel, egh, i know, i've been rambling about that for two days :(
[12:50] <knome> dkessel, basically, if you have any comments about spotify/pandora/google play music you want to share...
[12:50] <knome> dkessel, you can paste your comment on the channel too
[12:51] <dkessel> Ok not using any of these
[12:51] <knome> what are you using then?
[12:51] <Unit193> dkessel: It's a trap!
[12:54] <dkessel> haha. amazon.
[12:54] <flocculant> knome: only just saw the mm-other one 
[12:55] <knome> flocculant, np, it hasn't been in existence for a long time
[12:56] <knome> well today i'm unable to reproduce the thunar crash bug
[12:56] <flocculant> I must have scanned the name as mm when I looked this morning
[12:56] <knome> so maybe the situation isn't as bad as it was
[12:56] <knome> *as i thought it was
[12:56] <knome> mole moley
[12:56] <Unit193> knome: What version?
[12:56] <knome> Unit193, the one in staging
[12:56] <Unit193> Wow, that's good: The requested URL /openid/ was not found on this server
[12:57] <knome> Unit193, indeed, the logins are wonky
[12:57] <flocculant> knome: so you'd not tested the staging one previously? 
[12:57] <knome> just go to the real URL again
[12:57] <knome> flocculant, i had...
[12:57] <flocculant> oh - ok - just checking :)
[12:57] <knome> at least i'm pretty sure i had
[12:57] <knome> things are a bit blurry in my head :D
[12:57] <knome> for various reasons...
[12:58] <flocculant> well - here when someone says thunar it immediately gets blurry :p
[12:58] <knome> maybe
[13:01] <knome> linking bug 1512120 to the bugs blueprint
[13:01] <knome> i also commented on the bug, asking for tests with the staging PPA
[13:03] <bluesabre> xubuntu-community-artwork package *slowly* uploading to -staging ppa
[13:03] <knome> bug 1311926
[13:03] <knome> that's for the other issue in the pad
[13:04] <knome> well not exactly, but one of the symptoms related to that behavior
[13:04] <knome> bbl
[13:05] <bluesabre> oh
[13:05] <bluesabre> I need to move the meeting back... have to drop my wife off for her chicago trip in the middle of the meeting time
[13:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll be about whenever
[13:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: Make it a short one. ;)
[13:06] <bluesabre> :D
[13:06] <bluesabre> we like to rattle on sometimes, not so easy
[13:07] <flocculant> not of late ;)
[13:07] <Unit193> bluesabre: Tip, /mode +m
[13:07] <bluesabre> :D
[13:07] <bluesabre> maybe... 17:30 UTC?
[13:07] <Unit193> bluesabre: But yeah, that's fine as far as I'm concerned too.  I'll check backlog.
[13:10] <flocculant> bluesabre: that's forward :p
[13:12] <bluesabre> back/forward, all tricky when applied to time
[13:13] <flocculant> yep for sure :)
[13:14] <bluesabre> changed in all the relevant places
[13:14] <bluesabre> bbl
[13:14] <knome> bluesabre, move the meeting to your back!
[13:14]  * knome reserves the soft seat
[13:14]  * flocculant won't comment
[13:14] <flocculant> on that
[13:14] <flocculant> knome: added tomahawk to mm-other
[13:14] <knome> ack
[13:15] <knome> btw, if you want and know the dev communities, feel free to ask for short passages for the article
[13:15] <knome> (a la amarok)
[13:16] <flocculant> I don't 
[13:16] <knome> or if you are feeling adventurous
[13:16] <knome> :P
[13:16] <knome> the tomahawk irc channel might even be active
[13:17] <flocculant> I added some to the amarok note too btw
[13:17] <knome> noticed
[13:17] <knome> i'm disconnected...
[13:17] <flocculant> :)
[13:17] <knome> (surprise)
[13:17] <knome> let's see if i can log back in
[13:18] <knome> noep
[13:18] <knome> sigh
[13:18] <knome> :)
[13:18] <knome> now i am
[13:19] <flocculant> you could try the wiki - but you'd not know if it was *this* making it slow to login :p
[13:19] <knome> :P
[13:19] <knome> i prefer pad when collaborating
[13:19] <knome> we could use any other pad though
[13:19] <flocculant> yea
[13:19] <knome> but since this is already here..
[13:19] <flocculant> :)
[13:20] <knome> the no space between website and parenthesis is intentional btw
[13:20] <flocculant> ok
[13:20] <knome> that reminds me i should make those urls links with the website text
[13:21] <flocculant> knome: I would say do you want this put on x.org - but then you'd not be able to edit :D
[13:21] <knome> yep...
[13:21] <knome> and i do want to, at some point
[13:21] <knome> but not yet, because it's still in flux
[13:23] <flocculant> yup
[13:25] <knome> so i added a list of the irc channels on the pad if somebody wishes to go poking
[13:27] <knome> on and off from kb again
[13:32] <bluesabre> flocculant: xubuntu-community-artwork is in -staging now, if you want to take a peek
[13:33] <flocculant> bluesabre: \o/
[13:34] <flocculant> 20MB - not too bad then - much smaller than a font package ... 
[13:39] <flocculant> really should clean up the wallpaper folder here - not really a need for 293 images ... 
[13:47] <flocculant> bluesabre: if you by chance do anything with release note between now and release - please do that at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/FinalRelease/Xubuntu 
[13:48] <flocculant> the one I use to base them off is now cleared
[13:48] <flocculant> wandering off now
[17:26] <bluesabre> !team | meeting in 4 minutes :)
[17:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: going to be in and out a bit 
[17:27] <bluesabre> flocculant: np
[17:27] <bluesabre> flocculant: your name isn't until the end anyway
[17:29] <flocculant> would be easier if it was at the beginning :p
[17:30] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[17:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Apr 10 17:30:21 2016 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:30] <bluesabre> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[17:30] <bluesabre> Hey everyone! Who's here for the meeting?
[17:30] <flocculant> o/
[17:31] <bluesabre> I'll give folks a few minutes to roll in
[17:31] <pleia2> o/
[17:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: just while we're doing that - the wallpaper package seems to want to be autoremoved
[17:32] <bluesabre> hey pleia2
[17:32] <bluesabre> flocculant: hm?
[17:33] <bluesabre> flocculant: there might be some tweaks I need to do to the package, I'll check it out after the meeting
[17:33] <flocculant> okey doke
[17:35] <bluesabre> looks like this could be a short meeting
[17:35] <slickymaster> o/
[17:35] <slickymaster> made it
[17:35] <bluesabre> yesss
[17:35] <bluesabre> hi slickymaster
[17:35] <slickymaster> hi bluesabre 
[17:35] <bluesabre> now we probably have enough to have a discussion
[17:35] <slickymaster> hi flocculant and pleia2
[17:35] <bluesabre> #topic Open Action Items
[17:36] <bluesabre> Pretty sure there are none...
[17:36] <slickymaster> nothing in the agenda anyway
[17:36] <bluesabre> yup
[17:36] <bluesabre> next up
[17:36] <bluesabre> #topic Updates and Announcements
[17:37] <pleia2> the article series' seem to be getting a lot of views on social media, good feedback here and there
[17:37] <pleia2> not overwhelmingly so, but for short articles I think it's gone well
[17:37] <flocculant> at least 1 I read was of the 'these are useful' type :)
[17:37] <flocculant> afaik not many left to go
[17:38] <bluesabre> #info The non-language pack translation deadline was Thursday April 8, so no more translations for our apps
[17:38] <Nairwolf> hi, I'm here ;)
[17:38] <bluesabre> pleia2: that's good to hear :)
[17:38] <bluesabre> hi Nairwolf
[17:39] <pleia2> #info "The small details" and "My media manager" article series' are doing well
[17:39] <Nairwolf> pleia2: I've contacted the french team of xubuntu.fr, and I will translate these articles for french community. 
[17:39] <bluesabre> #info the wallpaper contest has concluded and the winners have been chosen. A new xubuntu-community-artwork package will be uploaded today with the new wallpapers
[17:39] <Nairwolf> oh, great ! 
[17:39] <slickymaster> #info Final Freeze and RC are just 4 days away
[17:40] <flocculant> #undo
[17:40] <flocculant> RC might be :p
[17:40] <flocculant> oh sorry - not reading properly
[17:40] <pleia2> Nairwolf: did we agree to do that? I thought the articles were not part of our translation plan
[17:40] <bluesabre> flocculant: #redo? :D
[17:41] <pleia2> we wanted to focus on a set of to-be-determined core content from the website first
[17:41] <flocculant> #info Final Freeze and RC are just 4 days away
[17:41] <Nairwolf> pleia2: that was a personal initiative. Do you think it's a bad idea ? 
[17:42] <pleia2> Nairwolf: well, knome and I had already been talking about website translations, and since he's the website lead I would have checked with him before going out on your own
[17:42] <pleia2> Nairwolf: websites are an important part of our branding, and we need to be in agreement about these things
[17:42] <pleia2> so looping me in as marking lead would have been good too
[17:42] <pleia2> we're also working with the owner of xubuntu.se to do similar
[17:43] <pleia2> it's concerning to see a proliferation of other language sites that we have no influence over
[17:44] <Nairwolf> ok, I've just sending a mail this morning. Don't worry. I will send a mail to you and to knome, in order to talk you about that. 
[17:44] <pleia2> thanks
[17:44] <bluesabre> Might be something worthwhile to include on the contributor docs going forward
[17:45] <pleia2> bluesabre: ++
[17:45] <flocculant> yep
[17:45] <slickymaster> yes
[17:45]  * flocculant looks forward to when contr docs are more than a few little bits and loads of qa :p
[17:45] <bluesabre> Any other updates and/or announcements?
[17:46] <flocculant> not that I'm aware of
[17:46] <bluesabre> probably safe to move on then
[17:46] <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
[17:46] <bluesabre> #subtopic PDF in docs
[17:46] <bluesabre> ^ knome, slickymaster, krytarik?
[17:47] <slickymaster> well, knome and krytarik are/were workinh on that
[17:47] <slickymaster> but as far as I know it's not solved yet
[17:48] <bluesabre> seems like a difficult task to fully resolve
[17:48] <pleia2> fwiw, people I am in contact with on social media continue to like the idea of having them
[17:48] <flocculant> thought it was 
[17:48] <pleia2> so it's valuable to get solved
[17:48] <slickymaster> yes
[17:48] <flocculant> pdf's build locally here
[17:48] <bluesabre> aha
[17:48] <bluesabre> I think it is resolved
[17:49] <flocculant> I thought it was
[17:49] <slickymaster> they don't in my xenial VM box
[17:49] <bluesabre> xubuntu-docs (16.04.3) xenial; urgency=medium
[17:49] <bluesabre>   * Create temporary symlinks while creating PDFs (fixes FTBFS, thanks Krytarik)
[17:49] <bluesabre>   * Drop contributor documentation from the default build
[17:49] <slickymaster> missed that one[5~
[17:49] <slickymaster> thanks bluesabre 
[17:49] <bluesabre> something might have broken since then, so don't take my word for it :D
[17:50] <bluesabre> that wraps up that topic then
[17:50] <bluesabre> #subtopic core situation
[17:50] <slickymaster> yeaps
[17:50] <bluesabre> ^ Unit193
[17:50] <bluesabre> Pretty sure we're stuck in the same place on this one... we can't quite get our patches merged to enable this
[17:51] <flocculant> yea - afaik no movement - there was discussion amongst us to target .1 
[17:51] <bluesabre> and if anything, we're not looking to include this in 16.04.0 since its so late already
[17:51] <bluesabre> yup
[17:51] <flocculant> and Unit193's community build is failing to install afaik
[17:51] <bluesabre> ah
[17:52] <bluesabre> that's disappointing
[17:52] <flocculant> and even if they came through tomorrow with core - you'd get a massive -1 from me now
[17:52] <flocculant> much much too late ;)
[17:52] <bluesabre> yup, same here
[17:52] <bluesabre> so core is on hold for now
[17:53] <bluesabre> #subtopic Seeding Snappy
[17:53] <bluesabre> ^ (that's me and Unit193)
[17:53] <flocculant> Unit193> [05:11:19] flocculant: So yes, failing still/now.  Setting up locales again.
[17:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: that's Unit193's build ^^
[17:53] <bluesabre> flocculant: aha, thanks for that
[17:54] <bluesabre> Regarding Snappy, we had a (very) early meeting with Snappy folks a few days ago
[17:54] <flocculant> brb
[17:54] <bluesabre> They're looking to include support for it in 16.04
[17:54] <bluesabre> Snappy coexists alongside the debian packaging system, so this should in no way interfere with our current workflow
[17:55] <bluesabre> The consideration here is to include the snappy launcher in every flavor, or possibly let the flavors decide on their own
[17:56] <bluesabre> It looks like it would add ~26mb to the installation, though I suggested adding support in Gnome Software to just install the launcher when a snappy app is installed
[17:56] <bluesabre> and that's roughly all I have for that
[17:57] <bluesabre> (just letting everybody in to the loop there)
[17:59] <bluesabre> and with no decision on that in my head, next up
[17:59] <bluesabre> #subtopic Release Candidate
[17:59] <bluesabre> ^ flocculant
[18:00] <flocculant> back just
[18:01] <flocculant> so RC next week sometime
[18:01] <flocculant> please try and get some testing of iso's done
[18:01] <flocculant> pleia2: I'll make sure to mail LP testers about that too
[18:02] <flocculant> pretty much nothing going on with the installer *we* can deal with 
[18:02] <bluesabre> flocculant: is the installer haven't issues again?
[18:02] <flocculant> upgrades seem to be ok now too - not that we'll be necessarily testing them
[18:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: not that I know of
[18:02] <pleia2> flocculant: great
[18:02] <pleia2> I'll make sure it's shared
[18:02] <bluesabre> cool
[18:03] <flocculant> bluesabre: well things like vm's never changes - and some of the odd crypt install/oem install things have bugs
[18:03] <pleia2> flocculant: why re: not testing them?
[18:03] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks :)
[18:03] <Nairwolf> flocculant: I'm not sure to understand. Is it ok with upgrades ? 
[18:03] <flocculant> pleia2: upgrades? 
[18:03] <Nairwolf> upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 works ? 
[18:03] <pleia2> flocculant: yeah
[18:03] <flocculant> because it's switched on for .1 usually
[18:04] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'm guessing we'll be sending a link to the in-progress release notes in the ML once the RC images are available so folks know what to look for?
[18:04] <flocculant> so people *might* but they'll not be *prompted* by updates
[18:04] <pleia2> flocculant: oh right, gotchat :)
[18:04] <pleia2> -t
[18:04] <bluesabre> gochat?
[18:04] <bluesabre> :D
[18:04] <flocculant> bluesabre: yup that's the plan
[18:04] <slickymaster> :)
[18:04] <bluesabre> flocculant: good deal :)
[18:05] <flocculant> talking of which I'll just quickly mention wiki release note
[18:05] <flocculant> next cycle - I'll be gettting that together at cycle start and using just the one for the whole cycle
[18:05] <Nairwolf> from the releaseCandidate to the final Release, the iso can still evolve ? 
[18:06] <flocculant> it'll get updated throughout
[18:06] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: yes, there may still be bugs fixed in that time, and hopefully not too many other updates beside that
[18:06] <flocculant> Nairwolf: for sure - if canonical and us fix things - it'll get respun
[18:07] <bluesabre> anything else in regards to the RC?
[18:07] <Nairwolf> ok, so the finalFreeze isn't a real 'freeze', right ?
[18:08] <flocculant> bluesabre: nope - all done :)
[18:08] <Nairwolf> it's just fixing bugs, right ? 
[18:08] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze
[18:08] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks
[18:09] <bluesabre> #topic Any other business
[18:09] <Nairwolf> bluesabre: Thanks ! 
[18:09] <bluesabre> Anybody got anything else to add for the meeting?
[18:09] <flocculant> not me
[18:09] <slickymaster> nothing heer
[18:09] <slickymaster> * here
[18:10] <bluesabre> pleia2: anything from you? (make it something awesome)
[18:11] <pleia2> I love you all
[18:11] <pleia2> that's it
[18:11] <bluesabre> well done
[18:11] <flocculant> \o/
[18:11] <slickymaster> \o/
[18:11] <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting
[18:11] <bluesabre> knome to schedule next meeting
[18:11] <ochosi> meh
[18:11] <bluesabre> And we're out
[18:11] <ochosi> too latae
[18:11] <bluesabre> ah
[18:11] <bluesabre> #undo
[18:11] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: TOPIC
[18:11] <ochosi> sry, had to get the little one to bed
[18:11] <bluesabre> hi ochosi
[18:12] <ochosi> let me see how quickly i can skim through the backlog
[18:12] <bluesabre> anything to add to the end of the meeting?
[18:12] <bluesabre> ok
[18:12] <ochosi> or are there any concrete questions for me?
[18:12] <bluesabre> I don't know enough about concrete to make a good pun here
[18:12] <bluesabre> :(
[18:13] <flocculant> hah
[18:14] <ochosi> :)
[18:14] <ochosi> alrighty, caught up
[18:15]  * bluesabre hands the mic to ochosi
[18:15] <ochosi> not much from my side, i'm a bit unsure about where snappy will take us and whether the snappy launcher can't be a depend of all snappy packages (which begs the question why we need it by default)
[18:16] <ochosi> but since this seems to be only the initial stage i guess we might have to wait a bit longer to see about that
[18:16] <bluesabre> ochosi: partially because snappy packages are not deb packages, so they can't auto-pull deb requirements (is my guess)
[18:16] <bluesabre> but yeah, kind of a wait and see game currently
[18:16] <ochosi> i thought they shouldn't? (at least that's what i understood there)
[18:17] <ochosi> thought they should be little independent thingies that have everything they need inside
[18:17] <bluesabre> except they need a launcher/runtime
[18:17] <bluesabre> but at the same time, I haven't played with it myself yet, so I can't say for sure
[18:18] <bluesabre> I'll see if I can get the next meeting at a time that you can also join in
[18:18] <bluesabre> ochosi: anything else for the meeting?
[18:18] <ochosi> ok sure
[18:18] <ochosi> no, nothing else
[18:19] <bluesabre> alrighty then
[18:19] <bluesabre> anybody else?
[18:19]  * bluesabre likes to stall
[18:19] <flocculant> ummm
[18:19] <flocculant> nope :p
[18:19] <bluesabre> :)
[18:20] <ochosi> :)
[18:20] <bluesabre> Let's wrap it up then
[18:20] <ochosi> yup
[18:20] <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting
[18:20] <bluesabre> #info knome to schedule next meeting
[18:20] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[18:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Apr 10 18:20:16 2016 UTC.  
[18:20] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-04-10-17.30.moin.txt
[18:20] <flocculant> thanks bluesabre :)
[18:20] <slickymaster> thanks bluesabre 
[18:20] <bluesabre> thanks everybody, good meeting!
[18:20] <pleia2> thanks for chairing
[18:20]  * slickymaster wonders off to the kitchen to prepare some sort of a dinner
[18:21] <flocculant> I'd wander personally - but no idea what your house is like :p
[18:21] <bluesabre> makes you wonder, doesn't it
[18:21] <flocculant> yea it does 
[18:22] <flocculant> this bug blueprint tracking is a pita, things on there sort of fixed - stay there :p
[18:22] <flocculant> until I get around to the y blueprint and I'll move them ... 
[18:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: is bug 1402036 fixed? invalid or something 
[18:25] <flocculant> biab 
[18:28] <bluesabre> wiki updated
[18:30] <bluesabre> flocculant: bug 1402036 ?
[18:31] <bluesabre> looks fixed to me
[18:31] <bluesabre> >.>
[18:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: i read that there are issues with light-locker-settings not starting up
[18:32] <ochosi> not sure we're still maintaining that one
[18:32] <ochosi> could be a trivial fix
[18:33] <ochosi> or should we mark it dead somewhere somehow?
[18:33] <flocculant> bluesabre: :p
[18:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'm going to try to get it working again today
[18:34] <bluesabre> but yes, should be trivial
[18:35] <flocculant> must say it's nice to have people not in -team actually speaking up during meetings about things :)
[18:37] <bluesabre> yes, definitely
[18:37] <bluesabre> "community meeting"
[18:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: nice :)
[19:12] <pavlushka> date&time is showing UTC+0 though UTC+6 is selected, syncing with ntp I guess, where's the problem?
[19:14] <pavlushka> internet sync selected, I am up but it is showing UTC+0 time for more than 6 hours now.
[19:31] <flocculant> what? 
[19:32] <flocculant> quite honestly given all the issues you appear to get - I would clean install
[19:36] <pavlushka> the upgrades are not enough?
[19:37] <flocculant> pavlushka: well you appear to have nothing but trouble - even ignoring the trying to get suspend working on the broken laptop 
[19:38] <flocculant> there often comes a time when it's just better to re-install - you are after all using an un-released version of xubuntu
[19:40] <pavlushka> ok, I am considering your suggestion,:p , actually its a :p to me.
[19:40] <pavlushka> Good night flocculant !
[19:51] <pleia2> knome: oh, I should chime in on this cloud player article, editing etherpad assuming it's not too late ;)
[19:55] <bluesabre> flocculant: got a good version of the package now that doesn't want to remove itself
[19:56] <bluesabre> I'll go ahead and upload this
[19:56]  * bluesabre really likes the community wallpapers this time around
[19:59] <pleia2> I like ours more than the default Ubuntu ones (and I voted on those too)
[20:02] <knome> pleia2, not too late
[20:03] <pleia2> knome: ok, done :)
[20:04] <knome> pleia2, Nairwolf: on translating articles to other language, i'm fine with that
[20:05] <knome> but it will have to be hosted somewhere else than x.org
[20:05] <knome> but since Nairwolf mentioned xubuntu.fr...
[20:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: cheers :)
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