/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/04/11/#kubuntu-devel.txt

telegram<athoneycutt>: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTH3wPjWzQk01:46
ronnocahoneybun: Nice video :)03:20
ronnocsand the panel crashes lol03:23
ronnoc*sans03:23
valorienice vid, but dang, all those crashes04:22
valorieI never get any04:22
valorieknock on wood04:22
telegram<marcinsagol>: Good morning06:17
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: mornin'07:31
lordievaderGood morning.07:51
sitterMirv: hey, packaging for this is in ubuntu+1 branch I presume? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-01110:32
Mirvsitter: yes for qtbase, qtdeclarative and qtmultimedia. they've ubuntu+1 branches. hmm, some others have 5.6 changes in the normal ubuntu branch (qtwebkit, qt3d), that could be changed if it hurts.11:01
sitterMirv: should be fine thanks11:02
vipany news on beta 3?11:03
Mirvok11:03
soeevip: there will be next beta ?11:34
soeei think RC now and than final11:34
soee!schedule11:34
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about schedule11:34
vipsoee: who knows11:41
vipI'd like t upgrade from wily, but I don't know if I should wait (and vbox test it) or not11:42
soeevip: most of us here ar eon Xenial for a long time already :-)11:43
soeei use it at my laptop and work machine11:43
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vipsoee: two monitors?11:50
soeevip: yes11:56
vipsoee: great, You've convinced me ;)11:57
soee:D11:57
soeethough i am using nvidia driver here where 2 i have monitors setup11:58
soee*where i have 2 monitors setup11:58
BluesKajHowdy folks12:14
soeechakra is based on arch ?13:07
soeehiho BluesKaj13:07
lordievadersoee: I believe it was.13:08
BluesKajsoee, hi.. yes it is13:08
BluesKajit also has plasma 5.6 available...assume that's why you're asking13:10
soeeyeah :) it has all latest stuff i though i might test it but since it is not debian based i might skip13:11
BluesKajarch's  package management system is a bit clunky iirc13:12
soeewell i tried it a long time ago: arch + kde and it is not so hard13:13
soeebut i prefere apt13:13
soeethere is yast i think13:13
BluesKajsame here, about 5 yrs ago, it's ok ,but a lot of work for a pretty ordinary linux 13:14
soeeyup, and since i'm using Debian on my VPS-es i want to stick with it :)13:15
soeebtw i switch ed from Chromium Browser to Vivaldi 1.0 :)13:18
soeedark theme rox :)13:18
BluesKajsticking with FF for bow..too much invested in it atm13:19
BluesKajnow13:19
soeethis thursday 16.04 RC will be released and we still don't have Plasma 5.5.5 in archive :/13:21
BluesKajthink the OS is sticking with 5.4 for now 13:23
soee5.5.4 should be in archive no ?13:24
marco-parilloDefault 16.04 is 5.5.413:25
marco-parilloIIRC, you can get 5.5.5 with sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing13:26
soeeyes yes i have it installed13:27
BluesKajmarco-parillo, odd that I have the landing ppa , but plasmashell -v shows 5.5.413:30
marco-parilloI could be wrong. Maybe I had tried (successfully) ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma13:32
marco-parilloAll I knew, somebody asked me to test, and it seemed to work for me.13:33
mhall119yofel: are you around for the snappy flavor call?16:10
sgclarkyofel: ping? meeting today16:10
mhall119yofel: https://appear.in/snaps-flavours16:10
yofelIRC-only, sorry16:11
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* sick_rimmit waves18:47
sick_rimmitHi friends18:47
ahoneybunhey sick_rimmit 18:49
soee\o19:01
soeehey tomorrow is chocolate day :D19:02
sick_rimmitChocolate day, that sounds good :-D19:02
sick_rimmitHi ahoneybun19:03
sick_rimmitI see you've been playing with xenial 19:03
ahoneybunmm?19:03
ahoneybunI've been running it for a few weeks sick_rimmit 19:04
sick_rimmitAh yes, but I saw the short video of you on YouTube yesterday19:04
sick_rimmitwith desktop, and your cam in the bottom right corner19:04
ahoneybunthe gaming video?19:04
sick_rimmitNah, dunno it was posted to the Kubuntu Podcast19:05
ahoneybunno it was posted to mine19:05
ahoneybunit is on my channel19:05
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: nope19:06
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: it's on the KP channel19:06
ahoneybunlies19:06
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyRIk9zTylU19:06
ahoneybunthe heck19:07
ahoneybunohhh'19:07
ahoneybunI was wondering where it was going19:07
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: and that's windows!!!!!!!!!!19:07
ahoneybunI was using the KP streaming key19:07
ahoneybunopps19:07
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: remove it please19:07
sick_rimmitha ha, you posted it to wrong channel19:08
sick_rimmitno worries.19:08
ahoneybunwell the second time it was to mine19:08
ahoneybunovidiu-florin, is so serious about it19:08
sick_rimmitit would be good idea to take it down, 19:08
ahoneybunhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5LARzUrHZg19:09
ahoneybunthough now I know I was not recording sound19:09
ahoneybunovidiu-florin, some people like to game19:09
sick_rimmitAnyways, let's not take over devel channel on an off topic19:09
sick_rimmit;-)19:09
ahoneybunI think the kubuntu-ci does that fine lol19:09
sick_rimmitI'm just setting up a packaging build server19:10
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: I'm still at work...19:10
sgclarkovidiu-florin: do you have that packaging docker up somewhere?19:11
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: yeah, but it's not in any kind of usefull shape19:11
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: it was just a test to replace pbuilder19:11
sgclarkright, I was going to make it useful. I can start from scratch.19:13
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: sgclark https://hub.docker.com/r/ovidiub13/kubuntu-packaging-devel/19:14
sgclarkthanks19:14
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: github source link is in there19:14
sick_rimmitDid you guys know about the Debian Packaging plugin for Jenkins ?19:14
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: nooooo....??19:15
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: tell us more19:15
sick_rimmitI was reading about it over the weekend19:15
sick_rimmithttps://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Debian+Package+Builder+Plugin19:16
sgclarkovidiu-florin: I see nothing in regards to github source19:18
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: on the right side19:19
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: bellow the owner field19:19
sick_rimmitOooo look19:20
sick_rimmitNew Shinnies19:20
sick_rimmitJenkins 2.019:20
sick_rimmithttps://jenkins.io/2.0/19:20
sgclarkah found it thanks19:21
* sick_rimmit Thinks... "if only I had a clue how that stuff works"19:21
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: it's Java19:21
telegram<ovidiuflorin>: it doesn't19:21
sick_rimmitlol19:22
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vipsoee: do-release-upgrade -d?20:11
soeei never remember this command :D probably yes20:12
vipNie odnaleziono nowego wydania20:12
vipoh, now it found something20:13
vipstrange20:13
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vip"error during upgrade"20:15
vipHash Sum mismatch20:16
soee~.~20:17
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BluesKajhad to install upstart, the plymouth screen takes forever, almost 2 mis, and sddm doesn't load the login page , I have to login via vt/tty and startx to get to the desktop 20:50
BluesKajsomething is definitely missing here20:51
valoriehmmm, hash sum mismatch is supposedly a thing of the past20:57
valorieBluesKaj: is that an install from a daily image, or upgrade, or?20:58
BluesKajvalorie, , it's an upgraded daily, it's been a while since I installed it, probly 6 weeks at least21:01
valoriewow, sounds like a regression then21:02
valorieleaves me not wanting to upgrade today21:02
valorieyesterday21:02
valorie's upgrade was flawless, afai can tell21:03
BluesKajvalorie, I might reinstall tomorow , it only takes 20 mins but setting up the vpn and other extar packages will be a pita, that's why I'm procrastinating21:04
BluesKajhoping there's a fix in the pipe21:06
soeehttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/systemd/+changelog21:06
soeelatest systemd chnages, maybe something was not right21:06
mamarleyHmm, I have had that installed for several days and no issues booting up.21:08
valorieBluesKaj: why do you need a vpn?21:11
BluesKajvalorie, shhhhh21:12
valorielol21:12
valoriesome Debian-based project had an April Fools screen that popped up saying Your Computer has Been Locked because of US Code blah blah of 201721:14
valoriebased on the ransomware screens now infesting Win installs21:14
valorieseemed extreme to me, but then I read about the crap my Congress is proposing21:15
valorieI think it doesn't have a snowball's chance to pass, because they are mostly known now for Doing Nothing and Getting Paid for It21:15
BluesKajthis old pc is my HTPC , nothing real fancy , just vlc for watching movies thru hdmi and spdif into an audio system ... experimenting with Kodi atm to see if it's worth cutting the cord21:16
BluesKajand this TV is also my monitor21:17
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sneleclivejo: about muon. I think muon from your ppa is enought for now (because nobody else cares for pushing it to main archive)21:57
sneleclivejo: i will share your ppa on kubuntu forums21:57
clivejosnele: I deleted it21:57
sneleclivejo: could you maybe make xenial ppa only for muon?21:57
clivejoI cant see what the problem is21:58
sneleclivejo: muon from your ppa works great for me. no problems at all21:58
clivejomuon is broken, we have a fix21:58
clivejoif I need to open another FFE for qapt, then thats fine, just tell me what to do and Ill try and do it22:00
sneleclivejo: please add it back at least to your xenial ppa, many kubuntu users will really appreciate it22:01
valorielibqapt actually changed recently?22:01
valorieI remember us talking about this, but not the details22:01
clivejoyes, and the new Muon needs that change otherwise it crashes when you refresh the list22:02
* valorie is still reading the debian policy manual, and is to the part about libraries and symbols22:02
clivejobut I grabbed git snapshot for both22:02
valoriethey don't have a release?22:02
valorieugh22:02
valoriethat is probably why the FFE is being ignored22:03
valoriethey really don't like git snapshots for an LTS22:03
valorieperhaps ask yofel if old release plus cherry-picked patches are a better bet to be accepted?22:04
clivejothen tell me, Im not a mind reader!22:04
valorieimo libqapt will have to be FFE'd too22:04
valorieprobably late for yofel22:04
valorie:(22:04
ahoneybunclivejo, I sent an email about Muon22:05
valoriesitter, Riddell, have any input?22:05
valorieahoneybun: where did you send your email?22:05
clivejoahoneybun: did mhall get back to you?22:05
clivejohe said he was going to call in some favours22:05
ahoneybunI've not heard, I asked if you wanted him CCed into it22:05
ahoneybunI'll see if I can ping him22:05
ahoneybunvalorie, to the dev list?22:07
ahoneybunI hope22:07
valorieok, I should read email22:07
valoriegave up last night when comcast crapped out AGAIN22:08
ahoneybunvalorie, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-April/010355.html22:08
valorieevery night for over a week22:08
ahoneybunthere is the thread22:08
valoriegrrrr22:08
* ahoneybun finally bookmarked that url22:08
valoriethank you, ahoneybun22:10
valorieI think that the release-team list is where we should be writing, however22:10
valoriethat is where the people are with the power to help us get it into the archive22:11
valorieand someone should release muon and libqapt!22:11
ahoneybunI prefer to use apt but I can for sure understand its use22:11
valorieI agree22:11
ahoneybunfor an LTS it is pretty important to have22:12
valorieit's lovely to check out packages for latest changes, etc.22:12
* ahoneybun will have to write new docs about it 22:12
valoriesearch works well, etc22:12
ahoneybunwhat timezone is yofel in?22:13
valoriehe lives in Poland IMO22:15
* valorie replied to ML22:16
clivejowhy is a git snapshot questionable?22:19
ahoneybunwhere is the bug report about Muon clivejo 22:19
ahoneybunsnapshots are sometimes seen as unstable22:19
clivejoahoneybun: its a FFE Bug 156240622:19
ubottubug 1562406 in muon (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to latest upstream version" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156240622:20
valorieclivejo: I assume because it is assumed that there is a reason for "no release" status22:21
valorielike, no testing22:21
clivejothe diff to libqapt is very little22:21
clivejohttps://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commitdiff&h=e63d3239a7846eb968151ebdd4f12e0921e0f13a22:21
clivejoits just adding a signal22:21
ahoneybunthere are buildable and working debs somewhere clivejo ?22:22
ahoneybunlike a PPA22:22
clivejowell two signals cacheReloadFinished(); and cacheReloadStarted();22:22
clivejothere arent not22:22
clivejoI had them in my PPA22:22
valorieI think it would be good to help ovidiu-florin and sick_rimmit do a release22:23
sick_rimmitWhat!!!22:24
ahoneybungetting a working build in PPA or deb that works22:24
valorieI believe it isn't that difficult: tag, and roll a tarball, then upload it to the kde depot for distribution22:24
ahoneybunwould be a good step I think22:24
valoriesitter made a script called releaseme that many application devels use22:24
clivejovalorie: shouldnt be that hard, this is sitters last bump https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commitdiff&h=726defa3188a1449312e212085f914e97e29f76f22:25
valorieand the people in #kde-devel are helpful22:25
sick_rimmitsnele: I'm working on Muon22:25
valoriewho maintains libqapt?22:25
sick_rimmitsnele: Tonight I've neem configuring my build server22:25
clivejobut I cant see why a release and a git snapshot would make any difference 22:26
sick_rimmitsnele: I hope to have new PPA's in about a weekish22:26
valorieclivejo: it expresses the confidence of the maintainer22:27
clivejomaybe Carlo Vanini can do that for us?22:29
valorieclivejo: I believe we've done it before, but that was when Riddell was release manager22:29
clivejodo sick_rimmit or ovidiu-florin have commit access yet?22:30
valoriecertainly worth asking him22:30
sick_rimmitI don't believe so22:30
sick_rimmitWe've got a dialogue going with Carlo though22:30
sick_rimmitso good start22:30
valoriethe Kubuntu Developers are the ones who vet new Kubutu Devels22:30
valoriethe KC doesn't do that, and doesn't have a say22:31
valorieI surely do want more Kub Devels22:31
clivejobut libqapt is on KDE, surely they need to be KDE devels?22:31
valorieso you are talking about two different commit accesses22:32
clivejoIm confused22:32
valorieKDE devels can commit to any repo22:32
valoriebut maintainers or release managers do releases in KDE22:32
valoriekubuntu devels I believe are the ones with commit access to our own repos22:33
clivejoif we had someone to bump the version of libqapt, grab that source code and package it22:33
sick_rimmitBuildserver ready, so I'll try building my version now22:33
valorieand MOTUs are the ones who commit to Universe22:33
clivejothen the release team might allow it in?22:33
valorieI very much wish we had a senior person like yofel, sitter or riddell speaking up22:34
* sick_rimmit is permanently confused... just keep typing and pressing ok22:34
valoriesgclark: are you here, or in the air?22:34
sgclarkfly back in a few hours22:34
valoriesick_rimmit: yes, I hope you all and carlo can get something going22:34
valoriesgclark: have I said anything untrue above?22:35
clivejorick would you ask Carlo if there is any way he could bump the version of libqapt then?22:35
valorieI don't want to confuse anybody with wrong info22:35
sgclarkI confused22:36
sgclarknot sure what above is about sorry22:36
valoriesgclark: the attempt to get Muon and libqapt updated and into the archive22:37
valorievia FFE22:37
sgclarkah good luck with that22:37
sgclarkhighly doubt unreleased software post all feature freezes will get in22:38
sgclarkcolor me impressed if you do22:38
clivejoI opened an FFE for Muon - Bug 156240622:38
ubottubug 1562406 in muon (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to latest upstream version" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156240622:38
clivejoto try and get a git snapshot of libqapt and muon into the archive22:39
clivejobut the release team have totally ignored it22:39
clivejoId like to know why?22:39
sgclarklikely cause: past all freezes and the software is unreleased.22:39
clivejois it because they are git snapshots?22:39
sick_rimmitclivejo: Bump on libqapt, sure I will ask him22:40
clivejoso Im wasting my time?22:40
valorieif the software builds and runs, it should be released IMO22:40
valoriethen you can update your FFE22:40
sgclarkwell then tell them to release, ,I highly doubt it will get into xenial unreleasef22:41
valoriewith a link to the released tarball or so22:41
clivejosick_rimmit: well looks like we'll need a bump on Muon too *rolls eyes*22:43
sick_rimmitI think we can't release while we still have crash on package list22:44
clivejootherwise we'll have those two bugs wide open22:44
valorieI thought that was recently fixed?22:44
clivejothe crashing on the package list is fixed by updating libqapt22:44
clivejowe need both libqapt and muon to make this work again22:44
sick_rimmitAh right, OK22:44
sick_rimmitdo you have a quickgit link for libqapt to hand ?22:45
clivejohttps://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git22:46
valorierelease release release22:46
sick_rimmitDoh!22:47
* sick_rimmit its in the history22:47
clivejosick_rimmit: for handyness you could install the latest libqapt from KCI22:49
clivejothat would stop your local build crashing22:49
sick_rimmitOK22:50
sick_rimmitWell Muon package is in mid build with pbuilder22:51
sick_rimmitTBH, it'll probably be Weds evening that I can get it into PPA upload shape22:51
sick_rimmitI have no clue how to get it FFE'd or stuff like that22:52
sick_rimmitI can probably get as far as my PPA on launchpad22:52
sick_rimmitI'm confused about release tarball, is that with KDE ?22:53
valorieyes, with KDE22:53
valorieit is released for everyone, not just us22:53
valoriesame with libqapt22:53
valoriesick_rimmit: once they are released, I think the original FFE can be changed to include the new release info22:54
sick_rimmitOK so we need a version bump tagged as Release on both, yes ?22:55
valoriesick_rimmit: please ask someone who knows how to release!22:55
valorieand look up the releaseme script by apachelogger/sitter22:55
valorieximion's input on that ML thread sounds important as well22:56
valoriesince it just involves syncing with Debian22:56
* sick_rimmit scratches head, as heart sinks with sense of utter frustration.22:58
* sick_rimmit can get as far as build to PPA, then its beyond his skills22:59
sick_rimmithttps://github.com/KDE/releaseme22:59
ximionvalorie: in my mind Ubuntu already had 5.6, so this was suprising to me23:00
ximionand you really, really don't want to run on ancient app-install-data23:00
ximionproblem is that the new release will include some behavior changes and will use new technology (AppStream), so it might also add new issues23:01
ximionbut IMHO this (small) risk is outweight by the benefit of updating it23:01
valorie"ubuntu already had 5.6" -- Qt 5.6 or what?23:05
valorieplasma 5.6?23:05
valoriethe release dates made that impossible23:05
valoriefor both, actually23:06
valoriewe'll have to backport them23:06
valorieafter release23:06
valoriesick_rimmit: 23:11
valorieGeneral Release Workflow23:11
valorieDecide on a release date (duh)23:11
valoriegotta do that first, and than one week later you can do the release23:11
valorieok, must go outside to work, at least a bit23:15
sick_rimmitThanks valorie I'm gonna wrap it up too23:20
sick_rimmitOK so Muon builds with one minor Lintian warning, version number23:22
sick_rimmitI'll be back Weds night try finish it and upload to PPA23:23
* sick_rimmit Out!23:23

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