telegram | <athoneycutt>: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTH3wPjWzQk | 01:46 |
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ronnoc | ahoneybun: Nice video :) | 03:20 |
ronnoc | sand the panel crashes lol | 03:23 |
ronnoc | *sans | 03:23 |
valorie | nice vid, but dang, all those crashes | 04:22 |
valorie | I never get any | 04:22 |
valorie | knock on wood | 04:22 |
telegram | <marcinsagol>: Good morning | 06:17 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: mornin' | 07:31 |
lordievader | Good morning. | 07:51 |
sitter | Mirv: hey, packaging for this is in ubuntu+1 branch I presume? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-011 | 10:32 |
Mirv | sitter: yes for qtbase, qtdeclarative and qtmultimedia. they've ubuntu+1 branches. hmm, some others have 5.6 changes in the normal ubuntu branch (qtwebkit, qt3d), that could be changed if it hurts. | 11:01 |
sitter | Mirv: should be fine thanks | 11:02 |
vip | any news on beta 3? | 11:03 |
Mirv | ok | 11:03 |
soee | vip: there will be next beta ? | 11:34 |
soee | i think RC now and than final | 11:34 |
soee | !schedule | 11:34 |
ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about schedule | 11:34 |
vip | soee: who knows | 11:41 |
vip | I'd like t upgrade from wily, but I don't know if I should wait (and vbox test it) or not | 11:42 |
soee | vip: most of us here ar eon Xenial for a long time already :-) | 11:43 |
soee | i use it at my laptop and work machine | 11:43 |
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vip | soee: two monitors? | 11:50 |
soee | vip: yes | 11:56 |
vip | soee: great, You've convinced me ;) | 11:57 |
soee | :D | 11:57 |
soee | though i am using nvidia driver here where 2 i have monitors setup | 11:58 |
soee | *where i have 2 monitors setup | 11:58 |
BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 12:14 |
soee | chakra is based on arch ? | 13:07 |
soee | hiho BluesKaj | 13:07 |
lordievader | soee: I believe it was. | 13:08 |
BluesKaj | soee, hi.. yes it is | 13:08 |
BluesKaj | it also has plasma 5.6 available...assume that's why you're asking | 13:10 |
soee | yeah :) it has all latest stuff i though i might test it but since it is not debian based i might skip | 13:11 |
BluesKaj | arch's package management system is a bit clunky iirc | 13:12 |
soee | well i tried it a long time ago: arch + kde and it is not so hard | 13:13 |
soee | but i prefere apt | 13:13 |
soee | there is yast i think | 13:13 |
BluesKaj | same here, about 5 yrs ago, it's ok ,but a lot of work for a pretty ordinary linux | 13:14 |
soee | yup, and since i'm using Debian on my VPS-es i want to stick with it :) | 13:15 |
soee | btw i switch ed from Chromium Browser to Vivaldi 1.0 :) | 13:18 |
soee | dark theme rox :) | 13:18 |
BluesKaj | sticking with FF for bow..too much invested in it atm | 13:19 |
BluesKaj | now | 13:19 |
soee | this thursday 16.04 RC will be released and we still don't have Plasma 5.5.5 in archive :/ | 13:21 |
BluesKaj | think the OS is sticking with 5.4 for now | 13:23 |
soee | 5.5.4 should be in archive no ? | 13:24 |
marco-parillo | Default 16.04 is 5.5.4 | 13:25 |
marco-parillo | IIRC, you can get 5.5.5 with sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing | 13:26 |
soee | yes yes i have it installed | 13:27 |
BluesKaj | marco-parillo, odd that I have the landing ppa , but plasmashell -v shows 5.5.4 | 13:30 |
marco-parillo | I could be wrong. Maybe I had tried (successfully) ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma | 13:32 |
marco-parillo | All I knew, somebody asked me to test, and it seemed to work for me. | 13:33 |
mhall119 | yofel: are you around for the snappy flavor call? | 16:10 |
sgclark | yofel: ping? meeting today | 16:10 |
mhall119 | yofel: https://appear.in/snaps-flavours | 16:10 |
yofel | IRC-only, sorry | 16:11 |
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* sick_rimmit waves | 18:47 | |
sick_rimmit | Hi friends | 18:47 |
ahoneybun | hey sick_rimmit | 18:49 |
soee | \o | 19:01 |
soee | hey tomorrow is chocolate day :D | 19:02 |
sick_rimmit | Chocolate day, that sounds good :-D | 19:02 |
sick_rimmit | Hi ahoneybun | 19:03 |
sick_rimmit | I see you've been playing with xenial | 19:03 |
ahoneybun | mm? | 19:03 |
ahoneybun | I've been running it for a few weeks sick_rimmit | 19:04 |
sick_rimmit | Ah yes, but I saw the short video of you on YouTube yesterday | 19:04 |
sick_rimmit | with desktop, and your cam in the bottom right corner | 19:04 |
ahoneybun | the gaming video? | 19:04 |
sick_rimmit | Nah, dunno it was posted to the Kubuntu Podcast | 19:05 |
ahoneybun | no it was posted to mine | 19:05 |
ahoneybun | it is on my channel | 19:05 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: nope | 19:06 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: it's on the KP channel | 19:06 |
ahoneybun | lies | 19:06 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyRIk9zTylU | 19:06 |
ahoneybun | the heck | 19:07 |
ahoneybun | ohhh' | 19:07 |
ahoneybun | I was wondering where it was going | 19:07 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: and that's windows!!!!!!!!!! | 19:07 |
ahoneybun | I was using the KP streaming key | 19:07 |
ahoneybun | opps | 19:07 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: remove it please | 19:07 |
sick_rimmit | ha ha, you posted it to wrong channel | 19:08 |
sick_rimmit | no worries. | 19:08 |
ahoneybun | well the second time it was to mine | 19:08 |
ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin, is so serious about it | 19:08 |
sick_rimmit | it would be good idea to take it down, | 19:08 |
ahoneybun | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5LARzUrHZg | 19:09 |
ahoneybun | though now I know I was not recording sound | 19:09 |
ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin, some people like to game | 19:09 |
sick_rimmit | Anyways, let's not take over devel channel on an off topic | 19:09 |
sick_rimmit | ;-) | 19:09 |
ahoneybun | I think the kubuntu-ci does that fine lol | 19:09 |
sick_rimmit | I'm just setting up a packaging build server | 19:10 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: I'm still at work... | 19:10 |
sgclark | ovidiu-florin: do you have that packaging docker up somewhere? | 19:11 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: yeah, but it's not in any kind of usefull shape | 19:11 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: it was just a test to replace pbuilder | 19:11 |
sgclark | right, I was going to make it useful. I can start from scratch. | 19:13 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: sgclark https://hub.docker.com/r/ovidiub13/kubuntu-packaging-devel/ | 19:14 |
sgclark | thanks | 19:14 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: github source link is in there | 19:14 |
sick_rimmit | Did you guys know about the Debian Packaging plugin for Jenkins ? | 19:14 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: nooooo....?? | 19:15 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: tell us more | 19:15 |
sick_rimmit | I was reading about it over the weekend | 19:15 |
sick_rimmit | https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Debian+Package+Builder+Plugin | 19:16 |
sgclark | ovidiu-florin: I see nothing in regards to github source | 19:18 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: on the right side | 19:19 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: bellow the owner field | 19:19 |
sick_rimmit | Oooo look | 19:20 |
sick_rimmit | New Shinnies | 19:20 |
sick_rimmit | Jenkins 2.0 | 19:20 |
sick_rimmit | https://jenkins.io/2.0/ | 19:20 |
sgclark | ah found it thanks | 19:21 |
* sick_rimmit Thinks... "if only I had a clue how that stuff works" | 19:21 | |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: it's Java | 19:21 |
telegram | <ovidiuflorin>: it doesn't | 19:21 |
sick_rimmit | lol | 19:22 |
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vip | soee: do-release-upgrade -d? | 20:11 |
soee | i never remember this command :D probably yes | 20:12 |
vip | Nie odnaleziono nowego wydania | 20:12 |
vip | oh, now it found something | 20:13 |
vip | strange | 20:13 |
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vip | "error during upgrade" | 20:15 |
vip | Hash Sum mismatch | 20:16 |
soee | ~.~ | 20:17 |
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BluesKaj | had to install upstart, the plymouth screen takes forever, almost 2 mis, and sddm doesn't load the login page , I have to login via vt/tty and startx to get to the desktop | 20:50 |
BluesKaj | something is definitely missing here | 20:51 |
valorie | hmmm, hash sum mismatch is supposedly a thing of the past | 20:57 |
valorie | BluesKaj: is that an install from a daily image, or upgrade, or? | 20:58 |
BluesKaj | valorie, , it's an upgraded daily, it's been a while since I installed it, probly 6 weeks at least | 21:01 |
valorie | wow, sounds like a regression then | 21:02 |
valorie | leaves me not wanting to upgrade today | 21:02 |
valorie | yesterday | 21:02 |
valorie | 's upgrade was flawless, afai can tell | 21:03 |
BluesKaj | valorie, I might reinstall tomorow , it only takes 20 mins but setting up the vpn and other extar packages will be a pita, that's why I'm procrastinating | 21:04 |
BluesKaj | hoping there's a fix in the pipe | 21:06 |
soee | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/systemd/+changelog | 21:06 |
soee | latest systemd chnages, maybe something was not right | 21:06 |
mamarley | Hmm, I have had that installed for several days and no issues booting up. | 21:08 |
valorie | BluesKaj: why do you need a vpn? | 21:11 |
BluesKaj | valorie, shhhhh | 21:12 |
valorie | lol | 21:12 |
valorie | some Debian-based project had an April Fools screen that popped up saying Your Computer has Been Locked because of US Code blah blah of 2017 | 21:14 |
valorie | based on the ransomware screens now infesting Win installs | 21:14 |
valorie | seemed extreme to me, but then I read about the crap my Congress is proposing | 21:15 |
valorie | I think it doesn't have a snowball's chance to pass, because they are mostly known now for Doing Nothing and Getting Paid for It | 21:15 |
BluesKaj | this old pc is my HTPC , nothing real fancy , just vlc for watching movies thru hdmi and spdif into an audio system ... experimenting with Kodi atm to see if it's worth cutting the cord | 21:16 |
BluesKaj | and this TV is also my monitor | 21:17 |
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snele | clivejo: about muon. I think muon from your ppa is enought for now (because nobody else cares for pushing it to main archive) | 21:57 |
snele | clivejo: i will share your ppa on kubuntu forums | 21:57 |
clivejo | snele: I deleted it | 21:57 |
snele | clivejo: could you maybe make xenial ppa only for muon? | 21:57 |
clivejo | I cant see what the problem is | 21:58 |
snele | clivejo: muon from your ppa works great for me. no problems at all | 21:58 |
clivejo | muon is broken, we have a fix | 21:58 |
clivejo | if I need to open another FFE for qapt, then thats fine, just tell me what to do and Ill try and do it | 22:00 |
snele | clivejo: please add it back at least to your xenial ppa, many kubuntu users will really appreciate it | 22:01 |
valorie | libqapt actually changed recently? | 22:01 |
valorie | I remember us talking about this, but not the details | 22:01 |
clivejo | yes, and the new Muon needs that change otherwise it crashes when you refresh the list | 22:02 |
* valorie is still reading the debian policy manual, and is to the part about libraries and symbols | 22:02 | |
clivejo | but I grabbed git snapshot for both | 22:02 |
valorie | they don't have a release? | 22:02 |
valorie | ugh | 22:02 |
valorie | that is probably why the FFE is being ignored | 22:03 |
valorie | they really don't like git snapshots for an LTS | 22:03 |
valorie | perhaps ask yofel if old release plus cherry-picked patches are a better bet to be accepted? | 22:04 |
clivejo | then tell me, Im not a mind reader! | 22:04 |
valorie | imo libqapt will have to be FFE'd too | 22:04 |
valorie | probably late for yofel | 22:04 |
valorie | :( | 22:04 |
ahoneybun | clivejo, I sent an email about Muon | 22:05 |
valorie | sitter, Riddell, have any input? | 22:05 |
valorie | ahoneybun: where did you send your email? | 22:05 |
clivejo | ahoneybun: did mhall get back to you? | 22:05 |
clivejo | he said he was going to call in some favours | 22:05 |
ahoneybun | I've not heard, I asked if you wanted him CCed into it | 22:05 |
ahoneybun | I'll see if I can ping him | 22:05 |
ahoneybun | valorie, to the dev list? | 22:07 |
ahoneybun | I hope | 22:07 |
valorie | ok, I should read email | 22:07 |
valorie | gave up last night when comcast crapped out AGAIN | 22:08 |
ahoneybun | valorie, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-April/010355.html | 22:08 |
valorie | every night for over a week | 22:08 |
ahoneybun | there is the thread | 22:08 |
valorie | grrrr | 22:08 |
* ahoneybun finally bookmarked that url | 22:08 | |
valorie | thank you, ahoneybun | 22:10 |
valorie | I think that the release-team list is where we should be writing, however | 22:10 |
valorie | that is where the people are with the power to help us get it into the archive | 22:11 |
valorie | and someone should release muon and libqapt! | 22:11 |
ahoneybun | I prefer to use apt but I can for sure understand its use | 22:11 |
valorie | I agree | 22:11 |
ahoneybun | for an LTS it is pretty important to have | 22:12 |
valorie | it's lovely to check out packages for latest changes, etc. | 22:12 |
* ahoneybun will have to write new docs about it | 22:12 | |
valorie | search works well, etc | 22:12 |
ahoneybun | what timezone is yofel in? | 22:13 |
valorie | he lives in Poland IMO | 22:15 |
* valorie replied to ML | 22:16 | |
clivejo | why is a git snapshot questionable? | 22:19 |
ahoneybun | where is the bug report about Muon clivejo | 22:19 |
ahoneybun | snapshots are sometimes seen as unstable | 22:19 |
clivejo | ahoneybun: its a FFE Bug 1562406 | 22:19 |
ubottu | bug 1562406 in muon (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to latest upstream version" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562406 | 22:20 |
valorie | clivejo: I assume because it is assumed that there is a reason for "no release" status | 22:21 |
valorie | like, no testing | 22:21 |
clivejo | the diff to libqapt is very little | 22:21 |
clivejo | https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commitdiff&h=e63d3239a7846eb968151ebdd4f12e0921e0f13a | 22:21 |
clivejo | its just adding a signal | 22:21 |
ahoneybun | there are buildable and working debs somewhere clivejo ? | 22:22 |
ahoneybun | like a PPA | 22:22 |
clivejo | well two signals cacheReloadFinished(); and cacheReloadStarted(); | 22:22 |
clivejo | there arent not | 22:22 |
clivejo | I had them in my PPA | 22:22 |
valorie | I think it would be good to help ovidiu-florin and sick_rimmit do a release | 22:23 |
sick_rimmit | What!!! | 22:24 |
ahoneybun | getting a working build in PPA or deb that works | 22:24 |
valorie | I believe it isn't that difficult: tag, and roll a tarball, then upload it to the kde depot for distribution | 22:24 |
ahoneybun | would be a good step I think | 22:24 |
valorie | sitter made a script called releaseme that many application devels use | 22:24 |
clivejo | valorie: shouldnt be that hard, this is sitters last bump https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commitdiff&h=726defa3188a1449312e212085f914e97e29f76f | 22:25 |
valorie | and the people in #kde-devel are helpful | 22:25 |
sick_rimmit | snele: I'm working on Muon | 22:25 |
valorie | who maintains libqapt? | 22:25 |
sick_rimmit | snele: Tonight I've neem configuring my build server | 22:25 |
clivejo | but I cant see why a release and a git snapshot would make any difference | 22:26 |
sick_rimmit | snele: I hope to have new PPA's in about a weekish | 22:26 |
valorie | clivejo: it expresses the confidence of the maintainer | 22:27 |
clivejo | maybe Carlo Vanini can do that for us? | 22:29 |
valorie | clivejo: I believe we've done it before, but that was when Riddell was release manager | 22:29 |
clivejo | do sick_rimmit or ovidiu-florin have commit access yet? | 22:30 |
valorie | certainly worth asking him | 22:30 |
sick_rimmit | I don't believe so | 22:30 |
sick_rimmit | We've got a dialogue going with Carlo though | 22:30 |
sick_rimmit | so good start | 22:30 |
valorie | the Kubuntu Developers are the ones who vet new Kubutu Devels | 22:30 |
valorie | the KC doesn't do that, and doesn't have a say | 22:31 |
valorie | I surely do want more Kub Devels | 22:31 |
clivejo | but libqapt is on KDE, surely they need to be KDE devels? | 22:31 |
valorie | so you are talking about two different commit accesses | 22:32 |
clivejo | Im confused | 22:32 |
valorie | KDE devels can commit to any repo | 22:32 |
valorie | but maintainers or release managers do releases in KDE | 22:32 |
valorie | kubuntu devels I believe are the ones with commit access to our own repos | 22:33 |
clivejo | if we had someone to bump the version of libqapt, grab that source code and package it | 22:33 |
sick_rimmit | Buildserver ready, so I'll try building my version now | 22:33 |
valorie | and MOTUs are the ones who commit to Universe | 22:33 |
clivejo | then the release team might allow it in? | 22:33 |
valorie | I very much wish we had a senior person like yofel, sitter or riddell speaking up | 22:34 |
* sick_rimmit is permanently confused... just keep typing and pressing ok | 22:34 | |
valorie | sgclark: are you here, or in the air? | 22:34 |
sgclark | fly back in a few hours | 22:34 |
valorie | sick_rimmit: yes, I hope you all and carlo can get something going | 22:34 |
valorie | sgclark: have I said anything untrue above? | 22:35 |
clivejo | rick would you ask Carlo if there is any way he could bump the version of libqapt then? | 22:35 |
valorie | I don't want to confuse anybody with wrong info | 22:35 |
sgclark | I confused | 22:36 |
sgclark | not sure what above is about sorry | 22:36 |
valorie | sgclark: the attempt to get Muon and libqapt updated and into the archive | 22:37 |
valorie | via FFE | 22:37 |
sgclark | ah good luck with that | 22:37 |
sgclark | highly doubt unreleased software post all feature freezes will get in | 22:38 |
sgclark | color me impressed if you do | 22:38 |
clivejo | I opened an FFE for Muon - Bug 1562406 | 22:38 |
ubottu | bug 1562406 in muon (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to latest upstream version" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562406 | 22:38 |
clivejo | to try and get a git snapshot of libqapt and muon into the archive | 22:39 |
clivejo | but the release team have totally ignored it | 22:39 |
clivejo | Id like to know why? | 22:39 |
sgclark | likely cause: past all freezes and the software is unreleased. | 22:39 |
clivejo | is it because they are git snapshots? | 22:39 |
sick_rimmit | clivejo: Bump on libqapt, sure I will ask him | 22:40 |
clivejo | so Im wasting my time? | 22:40 |
valorie | if the software builds and runs, it should be released IMO | 22:40 |
valorie | then you can update your FFE | 22:40 |
sgclark | well then tell them to release, ,I highly doubt it will get into xenial unreleasef | 22:41 |
valorie | with a link to the released tarball or so | 22:41 |
clivejo | sick_rimmit: well looks like we'll need a bump on Muon too *rolls eyes* | 22:43 |
sick_rimmit | I think we can't release while we still have crash on package list | 22:44 |
clivejo | otherwise we'll have those two bugs wide open | 22:44 |
valorie | I thought that was recently fixed? | 22:44 |
clivejo | the crashing on the package list is fixed by updating libqapt | 22:44 |
clivejo | we need both libqapt and muon to make this work again | 22:44 |
sick_rimmit | Ah right, OK | 22:44 |
sick_rimmit | do you have a quickgit link for libqapt to hand ? | 22:45 |
clivejo | https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git | 22:46 |
valorie | release release release | 22:46 |
sick_rimmit | Doh! | 22:47 |
* sick_rimmit its in the history | 22:47 | |
clivejo | sick_rimmit: for handyness you could install the latest libqapt from KCI | 22:49 |
clivejo | that would stop your local build crashing | 22:49 |
sick_rimmit | OK | 22:50 |
sick_rimmit | Well Muon package is in mid build with pbuilder | 22:51 |
sick_rimmit | TBH, it'll probably be Weds evening that I can get it into PPA upload shape | 22:51 |
sick_rimmit | I have no clue how to get it FFE'd or stuff like that | 22:52 |
sick_rimmit | I can probably get as far as my PPA on launchpad | 22:52 |
sick_rimmit | I'm confused about release tarball, is that with KDE ? | 22:53 |
valorie | yes, with KDE | 22:53 |
valorie | it is released for everyone, not just us | 22:53 |
valorie | same with libqapt | 22:53 |
valorie | sick_rimmit: once they are released, I think the original FFE can be changed to include the new release info | 22:54 |
sick_rimmit | OK so we need a version bump tagged as Release on both, yes ? | 22:55 |
valorie | sick_rimmit: please ask someone who knows how to release! | 22:55 |
valorie | and look up the releaseme script by apachelogger/sitter | 22:55 |
valorie | ximion's input on that ML thread sounds important as well | 22:56 |
valorie | since it just involves syncing with Debian | 22:56 |
* sick_rimmit scratches head, as heart sinks with sense of utter frustration. | 22:58 | |
* sick_rimmit can get as far as build to PPA, then its beyond his skills | 22:59 | |
sick_rimmit | https://github.com/KDE/releaseme | 22:59 |
ximion | valorie: in my mind Ubuntu already had 5.6, so this was suprising to me | 23:00 |
ximion | and you really, really don't want to run on ancient app-install-data | 23:00 |
ximion | problem is that the new release will include some behavior changes and will use new technology (AppStream), so it might also add new issues | 23:01 |
ximion | but IMHO this (small) risk is outweight by the benefit of updating it | 23:01 |
valorie | "ubuntu already had 5.6" -- Qt 5.6 or what? | 23:05 |
valorie | plasma 5.6? | 23:05 |
valorie | the release dates made that impossible | 23:05 |
valorie | for both, actually | 23:06 |
valorie | we'll have to backport them | 23:06 |
valorie | after release | 23:06 |
valorie | sick_rimmit: | 23:11 |
valorie | General Release Workflow | 23:11 |
valorie | Decide on a release date (duh) | 23:11 |
valorie | gotta do that first, and than one week later you can do the release | 23:11 |
valorie | ok, must go outside to work, at least a bit | 23:15 |
sick_rimmit | Thanks valorie I'm gonna wrap it up too | 23:20 |
sick_rimmit | OK so Muon builds with one minor Lintian warning, version number | 23:22 |
sick_rimmit | I'll be back Weds night try finish it and upload to PPA | 23:23 |
* sick_rimmit Out! | 23:23 |
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