[01:46] : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTH3wPjWzQk [03:20] ahoneybun: Nice video :) [03:23] sand the panel crashes lol [03:23] *sans [04:22] nice vid, but dang, all those crashes [04:22] I never get any [04:22] knock on wood [06:17] : Good morning [07:31] : mornin' [07:51] Good morning. [10:32] Mirv: hey, packaging for this is in ubuntu+1 branch I presume? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-011 [11:01] sitter: yes for qtbase, qtdeclarative and qtmultimedia. they've ubuntu+1 branches. hmm, some others have 5.6 changes in the normal ubuntu branch (qtwebkit, qt3d), that could be changed if it hurts. [11:02] Mirv: should be fine thanks [11:03] any news on beta 3? [11:03] ok [11:34] vip: there will be next beta ? [11:34] i think RC now and than final [11:34] !schedule [11:34] Sorry, I don't know anything about schedule [11:41] soee: who knows [11:42] I'd like t upgrade from wily, but I don't know if I should wait (and vbox test it) or not [11:43] vip: most of us here ar eon Xenial for a long time already :-) [11:43] i use it at my laptop and work machine === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter_work [11:50] soee: two monitors? [11:56] vip: yes [11:57] soee: great, You've convinced me ;) [11:57] :D [11:58] though i am using nvidia driver here where 2 i have monitors setup [11:58] *where i have 2 monitors setup [12:14] Howdy folks [13:07] chakra is based on arch ? [13:07] hiho BluesKaj [13:08] soee: I believe it was. [13:08] soee, hi.. yes it is [13:10] it also has plasma 5.6 available...assume that's why you're asking [13:11] yeah :) it has all latest stuff i though i might test it but since it is not debian based i might skip [13:12] arch's package management system is a bit clunky iirc [13:13] well i tried it a long time ago: arch + kde and it is not so hard [13:13] but i prefere apt [13:13] there is yast i think [13:14] same here, about 5 yrs ago, it's ok ,but a lot of work for a pretty ordinary linux [13:15] yup, and since i'm using Debian on my VPS-es i want to stick with it :) [13:18] btw i switch ed from Chromium Browser to Vivaldi 1.0 :) [13:18] dark theme rox :) [13:19] sticking with FF for bow..too much invested in it atm [13:19] now [13:21] this thursday 16.04 RC will be released and we still don't have Plasma 5.5.5 in archive :/ [13:23] think the OS is sticking with 5.4 for now [13:24] 5.5.4 should be in archive no ? [13:25] Default 16.04 is 5.5.4 [13:26] IIRC, you can get 5.5.5 with sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing [13:27] yes yes i have it installed [13:30] marco-parillo, odd that I have the landing ppa , but plasmashell -v shows 5.5.4 [13:32] I could be wrong. Maybe I had tried (successfully) ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma [13:33] All I knew, somebody asked me to test, and it seemed to work for me. [16:10] yofel: are you around for the snappy flavor call? [16:10] yofel: ping? meeting today [16:10] yofel: https://appear.in/snaps-flavours [16:11] IRC-only, sorry === nodoubleg is now known as nodoubleg-lunch [18:47] * sick_rimmit waves [18:47] Hi friends [18:49] hey sick_rimmit [19:01] \o [19:02] hey tomorrow is chocolate day :D [19:02] Chocolate day, that sounds good :-D [19:03] Hi ahoneybun [19:03] I see you've been playing with xenial [19:03] mm? [19:04] I've been running it for a few weeks sick_rimmit [19:04] Ah yes, but I saw the short video of you on YouTube yesterday [19:04] with desktop, and your cam in the bottom right corner [19:04] the gaming video? [19:05] Nah, dunno it was posted to the Kubuntu Podcast [19:05] no it was posted to mine [19:05] it is on my channel [19:06] : nope [19:06] : it's on the KP channel [19:06] lies [19:06] : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyRIk9zTylU [19:07] the heck [19:07] ohhh' [19:07] I was wondering where it was going [19:07] : and that's windows!!!!!!!!!! [19:07] I was using the KP streaming key [19:07] opps [19:07] : remove it please [19:08] ha ha, you posted it to wrong channel [19:08] no worries. [19:08] well the second time it was to mine [19:08] ovidiu-florin, is so serious about it [19:08] it would be good idea to take it down, [19:09] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5LARzUrHZg [19:09] though now I know I was not recording sound [19:09] ovidiu-florin, some people like to game [19:09] Anyways, let's not take over devel channel on an off topic [19:09] ;-) [19:09] I think the kubuntu-ci does that fine lol [19:10] I'm just setting up a packaging build server [19:10] : I'm still at work... [19:11] ovidiu-florin: do you have that packaging docker up somewhere? [19:11] : yeah, but it's not in any kind of usefull shape [19:11] : it was just a test to replace pbuilder [19:13] right, I was going to make it useful. I can start from scratch. [19:14] : sgclark https://hub.docker.com/r/ovidiub13/kubuntu-packaging-devel/ [19:14] thanks [19:14] : github source link is in there [19:14] Did you guys know about the Debian Packaging plugin for Jenkins ? [19:15] : nooooo....?? [19:15] : tell us more [19:15] I was reading about it over the weekend [19:16] https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Debian+Package+Builder+Plugin [19:18] ovidiu-florin: I see nothing in regards to github source [19:19] : on the right side [19:19] : bellow the owner field [19:20] Oooo look [19:20] New Shinnies [19:20] Jenkins 2.0 [19:20] https://jenkins.io/2.0/ [19:21] ah found it thanks [19:21] * sick_rimmit Thinks... "if only I had a clue how that stuff works" [19:21] : it's Java [19:21] : it doesn't [19:22] lol === nodoubleg-lunch is now known as nodoubleg [20:11] soee: do-release-upgrade -d? [20:12] i never remember this command :D probably yes [20:12] Nie odnaleziono nowego wydania [20:13] oh, now it found something [20:13] strange === nodoubleg is now known as nodoubleg-afk [20:15] "error during upgrade" [20:16] Hash Sum mismatch [20:17] ~.~ === nodoubleg-afk is now known as nodoubleg [20:50] had to install upstart, the plymouth screen takes forever, almost 2 mis, and sddm doesn't load the login page , I have to login via vt/tty and startx to get to the desktop [20:51] something is definitely missing here [20:57] hmmm, hash sum mismatch is supposedly a thing of the past [20:58] BluesKaj: is that an install from a daily image, or upgrade, or? [21:01] valorie, , it's an upgraded daily, it's been a while since I installed it, probly 6 weeks at least [21:02] wow, sounds like a regression then [21:02] leaves me not wanting to upgrade today [21:02] yesterday [21:03] 's upgrade was flawless, afai can tell [21:04] valorie, I might reinstall tomorow , it only takes 20 mins but setting up the vpn and other extar packages will be a pita, that's why I'm procrastinating [21:06] hoping there's a fix in the pipe [21:06] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/systemd/+changelog [21:06] latest systemd chnages, maybe something was not right [21:08] Hmm, I have had that installed for several days and no issues booting up. [21:11] BluesKaj: why do you need a vpn? [21:12] valorie, shhhhh [21:12] lol [21:14] some Debian-based project had an April Fools screen that popped up saying Your Computer has Been Locked because of US Code blah blah of 2017 [21:14] based on the ransomware screens now infesting Win installs [21:15] seemed extreme to me, but then I read about the crap my Congress is proposing [21:15] I think it doesn't have a snowball's chance to pass, because they are mostly known now for Doing Nothing and Getting Paid for It [21:16] this old pc is my HTPC , nothing real fancy , just vlc for watching movies thru hdmi and spdif into an audio system ... experimenting with Kodi atm to see if it's worth cutting the cord [21:17] and this TV is also my monitor === Zren_ is now known as Zren [21:57] clivejo: about muon. I think muon from your ppa is enought for now (because nobody else cares for pushing it to main archive) [21:57] clivejo: i will share your ppa on kubuntu forums [21:57] snele: I deleted it [21:57] clivejo: could you maybe make xenial ppa only for muon? [21:58] I cant see what the problem is [21:58] clivejo: muon from your ppa works great for me. no problems at all [21:58] muon is broken, we have a fix [22:00] if I need to open another FFE for qapt, then thats fine, just tell me what to do and Ill try and do it [22:01] clivejo: please add it back at least to your xenial ppa, many kubuntu users will really appreciate it [22:01] libqapt actually changed recently? [22:01] I remember us talking about this, but not the details [22:02] yes, and the new Muon needs that change otherwise it crashes when you refresh the list [22:02] * valorie is still reading the debian policy manual, and is to the part about libraries and symbols [22:02] but I grabbed git snapshot for both [22:02] they don't have a release? [22:02] ugh [22:03] that is probably why the FFE is being ignored [22:03] they really don't like git snapshots for an LTS [22:04] perhaps ask yofel if old release plus cherry-picked patches are a better bet to be accepted? [22:04] then tell me, Im not a mind reader! [22:04] imo libqapt will have to be FFE'd too [22:04] probably late for yofel [22:04] :( [22:05] clivejo, I sent an email about Muon [22:05] sitter, Riddell, have any input? [22:05] ahoneybun: where did you send your email? [22:05] ahoneybun: did mhall get back to you? [22:05] he said he was going to call in some favours [22:05] I've not heard, I asked if you wanted him CCed into it [22:05] I'll see if I can ping him [22:07] valorie, to the dev list? [22:07] I hope [22:07] ok, I should read email [22:08] gave up last night when comcast crapped out AGAIN [22:08] valorie, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-April/010355.html [22:08] every night for over a week [22:08] there is the thread [22:08] grrrr [22:08] * ahoneybun finally bookmarked that url [22:10] thank you, ahoneybun [22:10] I think that the release-team list is where we should be writing, however [22:11] that is where the people are with the power to help us get it into the archive [22:11] and someone should release muon and libqapt! [22:11] I prefer to use apt but I can for sure understand its use [22:11] I agree [22:12] for an LTS it is pretty important to have [22:12] it's lovely to check out packages for latest changes, etc. [22:12] * ahoneybun will have to write new docs about it [22:12] search works well, etc [22:13] what timezone is yofel in? [22:15] he lives in Poland IMO [22:16] * valorie replied to ML [22:19] why is a git snapshot questionable? [22:19] where is the bug report about Muon clivejo [22:19] snapshots are sometimes seen as unstable [22:19] ahoneybun: its a FFE Bug 1562406 [22:20] bug 1562406 in muon (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to latest upstream version" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562406 [22:21] clivejo: I assume because it is assumed that there is a reason for "no release" status [22:21] like, no testing [22:21] the diff to libqapt is very little [22:21] https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commitdiff&h=e63d3239a7846eb968151ebdd4f12e0921e0f13a [22:21] its just adding a signal [22:22] there are buildable and working debs somewhere clivejo ? [22:22] like a PPA [22:22] well two signals cacheReloadFinished(); and cacheReloadStarted(); [22:22] there arent not [22:22] I had them in my PPA [22:23] I think it would be good to help ovidiu-florin and sick_rimmit do a release [22:24] What!!! [22:24] getting a working build in PPA or deb that works [22:24] I believe it isn't that difficult: tag, and roll a tarball, then upload it to the kde depot for distribution [22:24] would be a good step I think [22:24] sitter made a script called releaseme that many application devels use [22:25] valorie: shouldnt be that hard, this is sitters last bump https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commitdiff&h=726defa3188a1449312e212085f914e97e29f76f [22:25] and the people in #kde-devel are helpful [22:25] snele: I'm working on Muon [22:25] who maintains libqapt? [22:25] snele: Tonight I've neem configuring my build server [22:26] but I cant see why a release and a git snapshot would make any difference [22:26] snele: I hope to have new PPA's in about a weekish [22:27] clivejo: it expresses the confidence of the maintainer [22:29] maybe Carlo Vanini can do that for us? [22:29] clivejo: I believe we've done it before, but that was when Riddell was release manager [22:30] do sick_rimmit or ovidiu-florin have commit access yet? [22:30] certainly worth asking him [22:30] I don't believe so [22:30] We've got a dialogue going with Carlo though [22:30] so good start [22:30] the Kubuntu Developers are the ones who vet new Kubutu Devels [22:31] the KC doesn't do that, and doesn't have a say [22:31] I surely do want more Kub Devels [22:31] but libqapt is on KDE, surely they need to be KDE devels? [22:32] so you are talking about two different commit accesses [22:32] Im confused [22:32] KDE devels can commit to any repo [22:32] but maintainers or release managers do releases in KDE [22:33] kubuntu devels I believe are the ones with commit access to our own repos [22:33] if we had someone to bump the version of libqapt, grab that source code and package it [22:33] Buildserver ready, so I'll try building my version now [22:33] and MOTUs are the ones who commit to Universe [22:33] then the release team might allow it in? [22:34] I very much wish we had a senior person like yofel, sitter or riddell speaking up [22:34] * sick_rimmit is permanently confused... just keep typing and pressing ok [22:34] sgclark: are you here, or in the air? [22:34] fly back in a few hours [22:34] sick_rimmit: yes, I hope you all and carlo can get something going [22:35] sgclark: have I said anything untrue above? [22:35] rick would you ask Carlo if there is any way he could bump the version of libqapt then? [22:35] I don't want to confuse anybody with wrong info [22:36] I confused [22:36] not sure what above is about sorry [22:37] sgclark: the attempt to get Muon and libqapt updated and into the archive [22:37] via FFE [22:37] ah good luck with that [22:38] highly doubt unreleased software post all feature freezes will get in [22:38] color me impressed if you do [22:38] I opened an FFE for Muon - Bug 1562406 [22:38] bug 1562406 in muon (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to latest upstream version" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562406 [22:39] to try and get a git snapshot of libqapt and muon into the archive [22:39] but the release team have totally ignored it [22:39] Id like to know why? [22:39] likely cause: past all freezes and the software is unreleased. [22:39] is it because they are git snapshots? [22:40] clivejo: Bump on libqapt, sure I will ask him [22:40] so Im wasting my time? [22:40] if the software builds and runs, it should be released IMO [22:40] then you can update your FFE [22:41] well then tell them to release, ,I highly doubt it will get into xenial unreleasef [22:41] with a link to the released tarball or so [22:43] sick_rimmit: well looks like we'll need a bump on Muon too *rolls eyes* [22:44] I think we can't release while we still have crash on package list [22:44] otherwise we'll have those two bugs wide open [22:44] I thought that was recently fixed? [22:44] the crashing on the package list is fixed by updating libqapt [22:44] we need both libqapt and muon to make this work again [22:44] Ah right, OK [22:45] do you have a quickgit link for libqapt to hand ? [22:46] https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git [22:46] release release release [22:47] Doh! [22:47] * sick_rimmit its in the history [22:49] sick_rimmit: for handyness you could install the latest libqapt from KCI [22:49] that would stop your local build crashing [22:50] OK [22:51] Well Muon package is in mid build with pbuilder [22:51] TBH, it'll probably be Weds evening that I can get it into PPA upload shape [22:52] I have no clue how to get it FFE'd or stuff like that [22:52] I can probably get as far as my PPA on launchpad [22:53] I'm confused about release tarball, is that with KDE ? [22:53] yes, with KDE [22:53] it is released for everyone, not just us [22:53] same with libqapt [22:54] sick_rimmit: once they are released, I think the original FFE can be changed to include the new release info [22:55] OK so we need a version bump tagged as Release on both, yes ? [22:55] sick_rimmit: please ask someone who knows how to release! [22:55] and look up the releaseme script by apachelogger/sitter [22:56] ximion's input on that ML thread sounds important as well [22:56] since it just involves syncing with Debian [22:58] * sick_rimmit scratches head, as heart sinks with sense of utter frustration. [22:59] * sick_rimmit can get as far as build to PPA, then its beyond his skills [22:59] https://github.com/KDE/releaseme [23:00] valorie: in my mind Ubuntu already had 5.6, so this was suprising to me [23:00] and you really, really don't want to run on ancient app-install-data [23:01] problem is that the new release will include some behavior changes and will use new technology (AppStream), so it might also add new issues [23:01] but IMHO this (small) risk is outweight by the benefit of updating it [23:05] "ubuntu already had 5.6" -- Qt 5.6 or what? [23:05] plasma 5.6? [23:05] the release dates made that impossible [23:06] for both, actually [23:06] we'll have to backport them [23:06] after release [23:11] sick_rimmit: [23:11] General Release Workflow [23:11] Decide on a release date (duh) [23:11] gotta do that first, and than one week later you can do the release [23:15] ok, must go outside to work, at least a bit [23:20] Thanks valorie I'm gonna wrap it up too [23:22] OK so Muon builds with one minor Lintian warning, version number [23:23] I'll be back Weds night try finish it and upload to PPA [23:23] * sick_rimmit Out!