 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTH3wPjWzQk
[03:20] <ronnoc> ahoneybun: Nice video :)
[03:23] <ronnoc> sand the panel crashes lol
[03:23] <ronnoc> *sans
[04:22] <valorie> nice vid, but dang, all those crashes
[04:22] <valorie> I never get any
[04:22] <valorie> knock on wood
 Good morning
 mornin'
[07:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:32] <sitter> Mirv: hey, packaging for this is in ubuntu+1 branch I presume? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-011
[11:01] <Mirv> sitter: yes for qtbase, qtdeclarative and qtmultimedia. they've ubuntu+1 branches. hmm, some others have 5.6 changes in the normal ubuntu branch (qtwebkit, qt3d), that could be changed if it hurts.
[11:02] <sitter> Mirv: should be fine thanks
[11:03] <vip> any news on beta 3?
[11:03] <Mirv> ok
[11:34] <soee> vip: there will be next beta ?
[11:34] <soee> i think RC now and than final
[11:34] <soee> !schedule
[11:41] <vip> soee: who knows
[11:42] <vip> I'd like t upgrade from wily, but I don't know if I should wait (and vbox test it) or not
[11:43] <soee> vip: most of us here ar eon Xenial for a long time already :-)
[11:43] <soee> i use it at my laptop and work machine
[11:50] <vip> soee: two monitors?
[11:56] <soee> vip: yes
[11:57] <vip> soee: great, You've convinced me ;)
[11:57] <soee> :D
[11:58] <soee> though i am using nvidia driver here where 2 i have monitors setup
[11:58] <soee> *where i have 2 monitors setup
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:07] <soee> chakra is based on arch ?
[13:07] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[13:08] <lordievader> soee: I believe it was.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> soee, hi.. yes it is
[13:10] <BluesKaj> it also has plasma 5.6 available...assume that's why you're asking
[13:11] <soee> yeah :) it has all latest stuff i though i might test it but since it is not debian based i might skip
[13:12] <BluesKaj> arch's  package management system is a bit clunky iirc
[13:13] <soee> well i tried it a long time ago: arch + kde and it is not so hard
[13:13] <soee> but i prefere apt
[13:13] <soee> there is yast i think
[13:14] <BluesKaj> same here, about 5 yrs ago, it's ok ,but a lot of work for a pretty ordinary linux 
[13:15] <soee> yup, and since i'm using Debian on my VPS-es i want to stick with it :)
[13:18] <soee> btw i switch ed from Chromium Browser to Vivaldi 1.0 :)
[13:18] <soee> dark theme rox :)
[13:19] <BluesKaj> sticking with FF for bow..too much invested in it atm
[13:19] <BluesKaj> now
[13:21] <soee> this thursday 16.04 RC will be released and we still don't have Plasma 5.5.5 in archive :/
[13:23] <BluesKaj> think the OS is sticking with 5.4 for now 
[13:24] <soee> 5.5.4 should be in archive no ?
[13:25] <marco-parillo> Default 16.04 is 5.5.4
[13:26] <marco-parillo> IIRC, you can get 5.5.5 with sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing
[13:27] <soee> yes yes i have it installed
[13:30] <BluesKaj> marco-parillo, odd that I have the landing ppa , but plasmashell -v shows 5.5.4
[13:32] <marco-parillo> I could be wrong. Maybe I had tried (successfully) ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma
[13:33] <marco-parillo> All I knew, somebody asked me to test, and it seemed to work for me.
[16:10] <mhall119> yofel: are you around for the snappy flavor call?
[16:10] <sgclark> yofel: ping? meeting today
[16:10] <mhall119> yofel: https://appear.in/snaps-flavours
[16:11] <yofel> IRC-only, sorry
[18:47]  * sick_rimmit waves
[18:47] <sick_rimmit> Hi friends
[18:49] <ahoneybun> hey sick_rimmit 
[19:01] <soee> \o
[19:02] <soee> hey tomorrow is chocolate day :D
[19:02] <sick_rimmit> Chocolate day, that sounds good :-D
[19:03] <sick_rimmit> Hi ahoneybun
[19:03] <sick_rimmit> I see you've been playing with xenial 
[19:03] <ahoneybun> mm?
[19:04] <ahoneybun> I've been running it for a few weeks sick_rimmit 
[19:04] <sick_rimmit> Ah yes, but I saw the short video of you on YouTube yesterday
[19:04] <sick_rimmit> with desktop, and your cam in the bottom right corner
[19:04] <ahoneybun> the gaming video?
[19:05] <sick_rimmit> Nah, dunno it was posted to the Kubuntu Podcast
[19:05] <ahoneybun> no it was posted to mine
[19:05] <ahoneybun> it is on my channel
 nope
 it's on the KP channel
[19:06] <ahoneybun> lies
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyRIk9zTylU
[19:07] <ahoneybun> the heck
[19:07] <ahoneybun> ohhh'
[19:07] <ahoneybun> I was wondering where it was going
 and that's windows!!!!!!!!!!
[19:07] <ahoneybun> I was using the KP streaming key
[19:07] <ahoneybun> opps
 remove it please
[19:08] <sick_rimmit> ha ha, you posted it to wrong channel
[19:08] <sick_rimmit> no worries.
[19:08] <ahoneybun> well the second time it was to mine
[19:08] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, is so serious about it
[19:08] <sick_rimmit> it would be good idea to take it down, 
[19:09] <ahoneybun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5LARzUrHZg
[19:09] <ahoneybun> though now I know I was not recording sound
[19:09] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, some people like to game
[19:09] <sick_rimmit> Anyways, let's not take over devel channel on an off topic
[19:09] <sick_rimmit> ;-)
[19:09] <ahoneybun> I think the kubuntu-ci does that fine lol
[19:10] <sick_rimmit> I'm just setting up a packaging build server
 I'm still at work...
[19:11] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: do you have that packaging docker up somewhere?
 yeah, but it's not in any kind of usefull shape
 it was just a test to replace pbuilder
[19:13] <sgclark> right, I was going to make it useful. I can start from scratch.
 sgclark https://hub.docker.com/r/ovidiub13/kubuntu-packaging-devel/
[19:14] <sgclark> thanks
 github source link is in there
[19:14] <sick_rimmit> Did you guys know about the Debian Packaging plugin for Jenkins ?
 nooooo....??
 tell us more
[19:15] <sick_rimmit> I was reading about it over the weekend
[19:16] <sick_rimmit> https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Debian+Package+Builder+Plugin
[19:18] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: I see nothing in regards to github source
 on the right side
 bellow the owner field
[19:20] <sick_rimmit> Oooo look
[19:20] <sick_rimmit> New Shinnies
[19:20] <sick_rimmit> Jenkins 2.0
[19:20] <sick_rimmit> https://jenkins.io/2.0/
[19:21] <sgclark> ah found it thanks
[19:21]  * sick_rimmit Thinks... "if only I had a clue how that stuff works"
 it's Java
 it doesn't
[19:22] <sick_rimmit> lol
[20:11] <vip> soee: do-release-upgrade -d?
[20:12] <soee> i never remember this command :D probably yes
[20:12] <vip> Nie odnaleziono nowego wydania
[20:13] <vip> oh, now it found something
[20:13] <vip> strange
[20:15] <vip> "error during upgrade"
[20:16] <vip> Hash Sum mismatch
[20:17] <soee> ~.~
[20:50] <BluesKaj> had to install upstart, the plymouth screen takes forever, almost 2 mis, and sddm doesn't load the login page , I have to login via vt/tty and startx to get to the desktop 
[20:51] <BluesKaj> something is definitely missing here
[20:57] <valorie> hmmm, hash sum mismatch is supposedly a thing of the past
[20:58] <valorie> BluesKaj: is that an install from a daily image, or upgrade, or?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> valorie, , it's an upgraded daily, it's been a while since I installed it, probly 6 weeks at least
[21:02] <valorie> wow, sounds like a regression then
[21:02] <valorie> leaves me not wanting to upgrade today
[21:02] <valorie> yesterday
[21:03] <valorie> 's upgrade was flawless, afai can tell
[21:04] <BluesKaj> valorie, I might reinstall tomorow , it only takes 20 mins but setting up the vpn and other extar packages will be a pita, that's why I'm procrastinating
[21:06] <BluesKaj> hoping there's a fix in the pipe
[21:06] <soee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/systemd/+changelog
[21:06] <soee> latest systemd chnages, maybe something was not right
[21:08] <mamarley> Hmm, I have had that installed for several days and no issues booting up.
[21:11] <valorie> BluesKaj: why do you need a vpn?
[21:12] <BluesKaj> valorie, shhhhh
[21:12] <valorie> lol
[21:14] <valorie> some Debian-based project had an April Fools screen that popped up saying Your Computer has Been Locked because of US Code blah blah of 2017
[21:14] <valorie> based on the ransomware screens now infesting Win installs
[21:15] <valorie> seemed extreme to me, but then I read about the crap my Congress is proposing
[21:15] <valorie> I think it doesn't have a snowball's chance to pass, because they are mostly known now for Doing Nothing and Getting Paid for It
[21:16] <BluesKaj> this old pc is my HTPC , nothing real fancy , just vlc for watching movies thru hdmi and spdif into an audio system ... experimenting with Kodi atm to see if it's worth cutting the cord
[21:17] <BluesKaj> and this TV is also my monitor
[21:57] <snele> clivejo: about muon. I think muon from your ppa is enought for now (because nobody else cares for pushing it to main archive)
[21:57] <snele> clivejo: i will share your ppa on kubuntu forums
[21:57] <clivejo> snele: I deleted it
[21:57] <snele> clivejo: could you maybe make xenial ppa only for muon?
[21:58] <clivejo> I cant see what the problem is
[21:58] <snele> clivejo: muon from your ppa works great for me. no problems at all
[21:58] <clivejo> muon is broken, we have a fix
[22:00] <clivejo> if I need to open another FFE for qapt, then thats fine, just tell me what to do and Ill try and do it
[22:01] <snele> clivejo: please add it back at least to your xenial ppa, many kubuntu users will really appreciate it
[22:01] <valorie> libqapt actually changed recently?
[22:01] <valorie> I remember us talking about this, but not the details
[22:02] <clivejo> yes, and the new Muon needs that change otherwise it crashes when you refresh the list
[22:02]  * valorie is still reading the debian policy manual, and is to the part about libraries and symbols
[22:02] <clivejo> but I grabbed git snapshot for both
[22:02] <valorie> they don't have a release?
[22:02] <valorie> ugh
[22:03] <valorie> that is probably why the FFE is being ignored
[22:03] <valorie> they really don't like git snapshots for an LTS
[22:04] <valorie> perhaps ask yofel if old release plus cherry-picked patches are a better bet to be accepted?
[22:04] <clivejo> then tell me, Im not a mind reader!
[22:04] <valorie> imo libqapt will have to be FFE'd too
[22:04] <valorie> probably late for yofel
[22:04] <valorie> :(
[22:05] <ahoneybun> clivejo, I sent an email about Muon
[22:05] <valorie> sitter, Riddell, have any input?
[22:05] <valorie> ahoneybun: where did you send your email?
[22:05] <clivejo> ahoneybun: did mhall get back to you?
[22:05] <clivejo> he said he was going to call in some favours
[22:05] <ahoneybun> I've not heard, I asked if you wanted him CCed into it
[22:05] <ahoneybun> I'll see if I can ping him
[22:07] <ahoneybun> valorie, to the dev list?
[22:07] <ahoneybun> I hope
[22:07] <valorie> ok, I should read email
[22:08] <valorie> gave up last night when comcast crapped out AGAIN
[22:08] <ahoneybun> valorie, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-April/010355.html
[22:08] <valorie> every night for over a week
[22:08] <ahoneybun> there is the thread
[22:08] <valorie> grrrr
[22:08]  * ahoneybun finally bookmarked that url
[22:10] <valorie> thank you, ahoneybun
[22:10] <valorie> I think that the release-team list is where we should be writing, however
[22:11] <valorie> that is where the people are with the power to help us get it into the archive
[22:11] <valorie> and someone should release muon and libqapt!
[22:11] <ahoneybun> I prefer to use apt but I can for sure understand its use
[22:11] <valorie> I agree
[22:12] <ahoneybun> for an LTS it is pretty important to have
[22:12] <valorie> it's lovely to check out packages for latest changes, etc.
[22:12]  * ahoneybun will have to write new docs about it 
[22:12] <valorie> search works well, etc
[22:13] <ahoneybun> what timezone is yofel in?
[22:15] <valorie> he lives in Poland IMO
[22:16]  * valorie replied to ML
[22:19] <clivejo> why is a git snapshot questionable?
[22:19] <ahoneybun> where is the bug report about Muon clivejo 
[22:19] <ahoneybun> snapshots are sometimes seen as unstable
[22:19] <clivejo> ahoneybun: its a FFE Bug 1562406
[22:21] <valorie> clivejo: I assume because it is assumed that there is a reason for "no release" status
[22:21] <valorie> like, no testing
[22:21] <clivejo> the diff to libqapt is very little
[22:21] <clivejo> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commitdiff&h=e63d3239a7846eb968151ebdd4f12e0921e0f13a
[22:21] <clivejo> its just adding a signal
[22:22] <ahoneybun> there are buildable and working debs somewhere clivejo ?
[22:22] <ahoneybun> like a PPA
[22:22] <clivejo> well two signals cacheReloadFinished(); and cacheReloadStarted();
[22:22] <clivejo> there arent not
[22:22] <clivejo> I had them in my PPA
[22:23] <valorie> I think it would be good to help ovidiu-florin and sick_rimmit do a release
[22:24] <sick_rimmit> What!!!
[22:24] <ahoneybun> getting a working build in PPA or deb that works
[22:24] <valorie> I believe it isn't that difficult: tag, and roll a tarball, then upload it to the kde depot for distribution
[22:24] <ahoneybun> would be a good step I think
[22:24] <valorie> sitter made a script called releaseme that many application devels use
[22:25] <clivejo> valorie: shouldnt be that hard, this is sitters last bump https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commitdiff&h=726defa3188a1449312e212085f914e97e29f76f
[22:25] <valorie> and the people in #kde-devel are helpful
[22:25] <sick_rimmit> snele: I'm working on Muon
[22:25] <valorie> who maintains libqapt?
[22:25] <sick_rimmit> snele: Tonight I've neem configuring my build server
[22:26] <clivejo> but I cant see why a release and a git snapshot would make any difference 
[22:26] <sick_rimmit> snele: I hope to have new PPA's in about a weekish
[22:27] <valorie> clivejo: it expresses the confidence of the maintainer
[22:29] <clivejo> maybe Carlo Vanini can do that for us?
[22:29] <valorie> clivejo: I believe we've done it before, but that was when Riddell was release manager
[22:30] <clivejo> do sick_rimmit or ovidiu-florin have commit access yet?
[22:30] <valorie> certainly worth asking him
[22:30] <sick_rimmit> I don't believe so
[22:30] <sick_rimmit> We've got a dialogue going with Carlo though
[22:30] <sick_rimmit> so good start
[22:30] <valorie> the Kubuntu Developers are the ones who vet new Kubutu Devels
[22:31] <valorie> the KC doesn't do that, and doesn't have a say
[22:31] <valorie> I surely do want more Kub Devels
[22:31] <clivejo> but libqapt is on KDE, surely they need to be KDE devels?
[22:32] <valorie> so you are talking about two different commit accesses
[22:32] <clivejo> Im confused
[22:32] <valorie> KDE devels can commit to any repo
[22:32] <valorie> but maintainers or release managers do releases in KDE
[22:33] <valorie> kubuntu devels I believe are the ones with commit access to our own repos
[22:33] <clivejo> if we had someone to bump the version of libqapt, grab that source code and package it
[22:33] <sick_rimmit> Buildserver ready, so I'll try building my version now
[22:33] <valorie> and MOTUs are the ones who commit to Universe
[22:33] <clivejo> then the release team might allow it in?
[22:34] <valorie> I very much wish we had a senior person like yofel, sitter or riddell speaking up
[22:34]  * sick_rimmit is permanently confused... just keep typing and pressing ok
[22:34] <valorie> sgclark: are you here, or in the air?
[22:34] <sgclark> fly back in a few hours
[22:34] <valorie> sick_rimmit: yes, I hope you all and carlo can get something going
[22:35] <valorie> sgclark: have I said anything untrue above?
[22:35] <clivejo> rick would you ask Carlo if there is any way he could bump the version of libqapt then?
[22:35] <valorie> I don't want to confuse anybody with wrong info
[22:36] <sgclark> I confused
[22:36] <sgclark> not sure what above is about sorry
[22:37] <valorie> sgclark: the attempt to get Muon and libqapt updated and into the archive
[22:37] <valorie> via FFE
[22:37] <sgclark> ah good luck with that
[22:38] <sgclark> highly doubt unreleased software post all feature freezes will get in
[22:38] <sgclark> color me impressed if you do
[22:38] <clivejo> I opened an FFE for Muon - Bug 1562406
[22:39] <clivejo> to try and get a git snapshot of libqapt and muon into the archive
[22:39] <clivejo> but the release team have totally ignored it
[22:39] <clivejo> Id like to know why?
[22:39] <sgclark> likely cause: past all freezes and the software is unreleased.
[22:39] <clivejo> is it because they are git snapshots?
[22:40] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: Bump on libqapt, sure I will ask him
[22:40] <clivejo> so Im wasting my time?
[22:40] <valorie> if the software builds and runs, it should be released IMO
[22:40] <valorie> then you can update your FFE
[22:41] <sgclark> well then tell them to release, ,I highly doubt it will get into xenial unreleasef
[22:41] <valorie> with a link to the released tarball or so
[22:43] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: well looks like we'll need a bump on Muon too *rolls eyes*
[22:44] <sick_rimmit> I think we can't release while we still have crash on package list
[22:44] <clivejo> otherwise we'll have those two bugs wide open
[22:44] <valorie> I thought that was recently fixed?
[22:44] <clivejo> the crashing on the package list is fixed by updating libqapt
[22:44] <clivejo> we need both libqapt and muon to make this work again
[22:44] <sick_rimmit> Ah right, OK
[22:45] <sick_rimmit> do you have a quickgit link for libqapt to hand ?
[22:46] <clivejo> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git
[22:46] <valorie> release release release
[22:47] <sick_rimmit> Doh!
[22:47]  * sick_rimmit its in the history
[22:49] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: for handyness you could install the latest libqapt from KCI
[22:49] <clivejo> that would stop your local build crashing
[22:50] <sick_rimmit> OK
[22:51] <sick_rimmit> Well Muon package is in mid build with pbuilder
[22:51] <sick_rimmit> TBH, it'll probably be Weds evening that I can get it into PPA upload shape
[22:52] <sick_rimmit> I have no clue how to get it FFE'd or stuff like that
[22:52] <sick_rimmit> I can probably get as far as my PPA on launchpad
[22:53] <sick_rimmit> I'm confused about release tarball, is that with KDE ?
[22:53] <valorie> yes, with KDE
[22:53] <valorie> it is released for everyone, not just us
[22:53] <valorie> same with libqapt
[22:54] <valorie> sick_rimmit: once they are released, I think the original FFE can be changed to include the new release info
[22:55] <sick_rimmit> OK so we need a version bump tagged as Release on both, yes ?
[22:55] <valorie> sick_rimmit: please ask someone who knows how to release!
[22:55] <valorie> and look up the releaseme script by apachelogger/sitter
[22:56] <valorie> ximion's input on that ML thread sounds important as well
[22:56] <valorie> since it just involves syncing with Debian
[22:58]  * sick_rimmit scratches head, as heart sinks with sense of utter frustration.
[22:59]  * sick_rimmit can get as far as build to PPA, then its beyond his skills
[22:59] <sick_rimmit> https://github.com/KDE/releaseme
[23:00] <ximion> valorie: in my mind Ubuntu already had 5.6, so this was suprising to me
[23:00] <ximion> and you really, really don't want to run on ancient app-install-data
[23:01] <ximion> problem is that the new release will include some behavior changes and will use new technology (AppStream), so it might also add new issues
[23:01] <ximion> but IMHO this (small) risk is outweight by the benefit of updating it
[23:05] <valorie> "ubuntu already had 5.6" -- Qt 5.6 or what?
[23:05] <valorie> plasma 5.6?
[23:05] <valorie> the release dates made that impossible
[23:06] <valorie> for both, actually
[23:06] <valorie> we'll have to backport them
[23:06] <valorie> after release
[23:11] <valorie> sick_rimmit: 
[23:11] <valorie> General Release Workflow
[23:11] <valorie> Decide on a release date (duh)
[23:11] <valorie> gotta do that first, and than one week later you can do the release
[23:15] <valorie> ok, must go outside to work, at least a bit
[23:20] <sick_rimmit> Thanks valorie I'm gonna wrap it up too
[23:22] <sick_rimmit> OK so Muon builds with one minor Lintian warning, version number
[23:23] <sick_rimmit> I'll be back Weds night try finish it and upload to PPA
[23:23]  * sick_rimmit Out!