[00:10] <viscera> I'm just wondering if 16.04 will let me select a USB flash drive as the install target? If I recall, previous Ubuntu versions don't like this. For example, a notebook with internal storage on sda, Ubuntu installer USB flash drive on sdb, and target USB flash drive on sdc. I want the installer on sdb to install onto sdc, including bootloader, without writing to sda at all.
[00:10] <viscera> Other distros e.g. Fedora do support this
[00:12]  * viscera tries the daily build
[01:24] <squinty> viscera,  yep  in fact a usb stick is what I use for our Kodi media center.  actually I have also run previous ubuntu versions with full installs to usb sticks too without any major problems
[01:26] <viscera> squinty: using the main installer? or some alternate?
[01:27] <squinty> viscera, just make sure exactly which device you are installing to when using the "use something else" part of the partitioning section and remember to install grub to your usb stick and not your notebook
[01:27] <squinty> viscera, same iso as if you are installing to hard drive... so yes main installer
[01:29] <viscera> squinty: thanks, i'll give it a try when i have a moment
[01:30] <squinty> viscera,  everything is the same procedure as when doing a hard drive install.... just take the time to make sure you are installing to the correct usb stick and to install the grub boot loader onto it and not either of the other drives
[01:30] <squinty> viscera, yw  good luck
[01:30] <viscera> squinty: i know the theory, it has just never worked for me with ubuntu main installer. i'll report back if any problem
[03:10] <travis_> How do you change DE in ubuntu 16.04?? its not in the login screen?
[05:09] <alkisg> The xenial initrd is too big. I looked inside it and saw that it even have fonts like dejavu nowadays! Which software needs them? Can they be removed from some configuration file?
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: not sure mate
[05:10] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: hehe, thanks, let's see if someone else has a clue. In the meanwhile, I'm looking into the sources...
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> !find initrd
[05:16] <alkisg> Meh, plymouth pulls it
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: pstree can help?
[05:17] <alkisg> No, update-initramfs doesn't result in running processes after it completes
[05:18] <alkisg> Removing plymouth gets it down from 37 MB to 34 MB
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: hmm plymouth is needed?
[05:19] <alkisg> It's the splash screen, yeah people want it by default
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: i think something changed on 16.04 plymouth also, booting it faster..readed an article somewhere
[07:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:53] <petrh> lordievader, Hi, I've been trying to find out something most of the weekend free time but didn't find anything except Debian unstable is still using MySQL 5.6 but Ubuntu uses 5.7
[07:54] <petrh> I'll create bugreport on Launchpad, it's all what I can do :(
[07:54] <lordievader> Did you figure out on what folder it got the permission denied error?
[07:54] <petrh> no, I didn't
[07:54] <lordievader> Hmm, too bad :(
[07:55] <petrh> It doesn't work both on 32bit and 64bit versions
[07:56] <petrh> I tried to install it again to empty virtual machine but it didn't help.
[07:58] <lordievader> Does it work when you do run it as root?
[07:58] <petrh> I didn't try that, now trying to purge apparmor if it helps
[08:00] <petrh> it won't work, apparmor is dependency of mysql-server package :(
[08:00] <lordievader> Hehe :P
[08:01] <lordievader> It is really to bad it doesn't just says, dir <enter-dir-here> is inaccesible to me, rather than './' is inaccesible :(
[08:01] <ratrace> Instead of removing AppArmor, rather learn how to use it, it's very valuable and really not difficult to use at all.
[08:02] <petrh> ratrace, Yes, I know but it was another try to find out what is wrong with MySQL or my configuration :(
[08:02] <lordievader> petrh: Have you checked /var/lib/mysql if there is a folder for the database you are trying to use?
[08:02] <ratrace> petrh: then put it into complain mode, that'll complain but won't enforce
[08:02] <ratrace> complain = will log what would've been denied
[08:03] <petrh> lordievader, No, I haven't because it doesn't work even when it created basic files without creating any database from my program :(
[08:04] <lordievader> What I mean is, perhaps ./ refers to /var/lib/mysql.
[08:04] <petrh> inicialization works fine but when mysql is trying to open it again, it fails
[08:05] <petrh> lordievader, Yes, I see but why the first initialization works?
[08:05] <petrh> ratrace, unfortunately the log message is quite useless :(
[08:05] <lordievader> Perhaps the init doesn't need anything from /var/lib/mysql and mysqld does?
[08:05] <lordievader> I don't know ;)
[08:06] <petrh> the inicialization is done by mysqld as well :), that's strange :(
[08:08] <ratrace> petrh: but if you've disabled AA, then it's not blocking
[08:11] <lordievader> Wich makes the case only more mysterious!
[08:17] <petrh> I just found something even horrible :(
[08:18] <petrh> I unstalled mysql-server
[08:18] <petrh> installed it again
[08:18] <petrh> tried to run the app, it created the database
[08:18] <petrh> after second startd it worked!
[08:18] <petrh> BUT
[08:19] <petrh> after I did sudo service apparmor status
[08:19] <petrh> there was something like inactive
[08:19] <petrh> then I did apparmor start
[08:19] <petrh> and it stopped working like before
[08:19] <petrh> now I did service apparmor stop
[08:19] <petrh> but it sill doesn't work
[08:32] <petrh> lordievader, just found out it's related to apparomor somehow
[08:33] <petrh> I disabled it using update-rc.d and rebooted the system, now program works as expected
[08:34] <petrh> I've been using @{HOME}/.config/cqrlog/database/** rwk, since Ubuntu 12.04 or so
[08:34] <petrh> in in the end of /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld
[08:36] <lordievader> petrh: Can't you do as ratrace says, put AppArmor in complain mode?
[08:37] <petrh> lordievader, Yes, I can but I'm not sure what it means
[08:37] <petrh> oh I see
[08:38] <petrh> I'm sorry to ratrace, I overlooked his post
[08:38] <lordievader> ratrace: Could you assist petrh in this?
[08:43] <LargerMon> I have a friend who has requested Ubuntu on his laptop.  I need to install now so my question is: " What is the best version to install now with an auto upgrade path to 16.04LTS"  Is it 15.10 or is there a 16.04 beta?
[08:43] <Jordan_U> LargerMon: Why do you need to install now?
[08:44] <LargerMon> I need to give the laptop back to him
[08:44] <LargerMon> When is the LTS due?
[08:45] <k1l_> 16.04 release is apirl 21st. LTS state will be in july
[08:45] <LargerMon> k1l_: Thanks
[08:47] <huayra> Is it posible to do "update-manager -d" on 14.04 already or do we have to wait until RC or Final is out?
[08:47] <k1l_> no, that is possible
[08:48] <huayra> k1l_, do you meant 16.04.1 will be in July and then updates will be available for everyone® ?
[08:48] <k1l_> but keep in mint that -d means "developer" and its not final. the LTS to LTS upgrade will be opned in july when 16.04.1 is released
[08:48] <k1l_> *mind
[08:50] <Jordan_U> huayra: Please for clarity's sake never use "-d", instead use the equivalent long option "--devel-release".
[08:51] <k1l_> omgubuntu just announced that you "just use -d" even if its already released.
[08:52] <k1l_> so we have people reading that in one year when googleing and coming straight to 16.10 and such
[08:52] <Jordan_U> I need to file that bug report requesting "-d" to be removed, with only the long option staying.
[08:53] <huayra> k1l_, yeah I guess that's the price to pay. Been on LTS since 6.06 so I think I can manage. Jordan_U thanks!
[08:57] <LargerMon> Is there a general 16.04beta ISO?
[08:59] <ratrace> LargerMon: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[09:00] <k1l_> LargerMon: the patent is from amd but intel uses that technic too. so amd64= general 64bit version
[09:01] <LargerMon> ratrace: Thank you for the link. I am aware of the AMD naming scheme.
[09:02] <Jordan_U> Would a daily iso be better this late in the cycle?
[09:18] <Unhammer> hey, thought I'd try installing xenial a bit early on one of my computers, but I'm getting a heck of a lot of  "dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" – is this expected?
[09:18] <Unhammer> systemd, systemd-sysv, init, mysql etc etc etc
[09:19] <Unhammer> I'm expecting *some* breakage, but systemd-breakage sounds scary :)
[09:19] <ratrace> Unhammer: I had that too, I just re-installed all the packages that complained after the upgrade
[09:19] <ratrace> taht's systemd-sysv
[09:19] <ratrace> iirc those are shims for few services with no systemd integration, the wrapper for init.d scripts
[09:20] <Unhammer> mm
[09:26] <Unhammer> grep ERROR /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log # http://sprunge.us/IWDK if anyone's interested
[09:28] <Unhammer> any reason to still have upstart installed btw?
[09:35] <petrh> lordievader, I switched the usr.sbin.mysql to complain
[09:37] <petrh> but I'm not sure how it should work. It writes some notes to dmesg.
[09:39] <petrh> now I see how it works
[09:39] <petrh> in complained mode allows all and write messages to mesg
[09:39] <petrh> dmesg
[09:48] <freaj> Hi!
[09:49] <freaj> So, I was running zfsonlinux (ubuntu-zfs) back in the 14.04, upgraded to 16.04, everything works except for zfs.. I have to "zpool import my-storage" at every boot
[09:49] <freaj> Do you know how I might fix it?
[10:07] <lordievader> petrh: Any success in that mode?
[10:09] <freaj> nevermind, I fixed it :P
[10:11] <ratrace> freaj: fixed how?
[10:13] <petrh> lordievader, yes, it works in complain mode
[10:13] <petrh> I'll paste here the output
[10:13] <lordievader> Hmm, yes that would seem like AppArmor is blocking something.
[10:13] <ratrace> petrh: so then you have to fix the apparmor rules for mysql, and put it back in complaining mode.
[10:13] <ratrace> *enforcing
[10:14] <petrh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15755801/
[10:14] <petrh> ratrace, yes, but I have no idea why
[10:14] <petrh> in the paste is also what I have in usr.sbin.mysqld
[10:15] <ratrace> petrh: it's simple, look at that output. it DENIED, READ (mask="r") access to file name="/home/ok2cqr/.config/cqrlog/database"
[10:16] <petrh> yes, but in config file is @{HOME}/.config/cqrlog/database/** rwk, that should tell apparmor that mysqld has an access there
[10:16] <petrh> it had been working since Ubuntu 12.04 or so :(
[10:16] <ratrace> I think that is missing read on dir itself, lemme check, my apparmor rules are a bit rusty
[10:18] <lordievader> Yes, I think that is the problem, AppArmor allows read to files inside the folder, but not the folder itself.
[10:18] <lordievader> The strace also showed an permission denied on ./ not on ./<something>.
[10:18] <freaj> ratrace: It had some conflicts with the zol ppa packages previously installed
[10:19] <freaj> ratrace: I had to remove zfs-doc (and the other dependencies), I installed zfsutils-linux and it worked again after a reboot
[10:19] <ratrace> freaj: ah, ok.
[10:19] <ratrace> lordievader: add a rule on the dir itself, just r and see if that fixes it
[10:19] <lordievader> petrh: ^
[10:20] <petrh> ratrace, lordievader I'm working on it
[10:21] <petrh> ratrace, lordievader it works!
[10:22] <petrh> I added   @{HOME}/.config/cqrlog/database/  r, before  @{HOME}/.config/cqrlog/database/** rwk,
[10:22] <ratrace> there you go. simple, and you didn't have to disable a valualbe security layer :)
[10:22] <petrh> and it started to work
[10:22] <lordievader> petrh: Nice, good to hear :)
[10:22] <petrh> ratrace, I didn't want to disable it forever, it was only desperate last try :)
[10:23] <ratrace> that's what the complaint mode is for, as you can then SEE what it would've denied. if you disabled it, you couldn't.
[10:24] <petrh> ratrace, yes, complaint mode is great, I didn't know something like that exists :(
[10:24] <petrh> lordievader and ratrace THANK YOU for help. I spent days trying to find out where is the problem. Now I know and also learned a few new things.
[10:25] <ratrace> cool :)
[10:25] <lordievader> :)
[10:25] <petrh> my application is CQRLOG - cqrlog.com logging program for hamradio operators :-)
[10:26] <ratrace> question, any reason why you're forcing the database dir in user's homedir?
[10:27] <petrh> ratrace, because of users. It's easier way for them, they don't have to care about database passwords etc. I run mysqld in embedded mode without grant tables etc.
[10:27] <petrh> it just works without annoying users about passwords :)
[10:27] <ratrace> that's a wrong way to use a RDBMS. That's what SQLite is for.
[10:28] <petrh> ratrace, Unfortunately I can't use SQLite for that. I need write access from more than one place.
[10:28] <ratrace> (which is also a rdbms, my point being mysql is not supposed to be used that way)
[10:28] <ratrace> petrh: SQLite is concurrent
[10:29] <petrh> there are several threads in the application that needs read/write to the database and I had a lot of troubles with sqlite before
[10:30] <ratrace> So is this setting on MySQL per database, or does it affect the entire server?
[10:30] <ratrace> (I don't know MySQL that well, I'm a postgres DBA)
[10:31] <petrh> ratrace, no, it doesn't
[10:31] <ratrace> I'm asking to learn if you're basically hijacking the entire RDBMS for CQRLog and that custom db path :)
[10:31] <ratrace> so you're also running it on a custom port?
[10:31] <petrh> yes, of course
[10:32] <ratrace> or, what I'm aiming at, can someone use this application, and also use a central MySQL db regularly for something else?
[10:32] <petrh> yes, exactly, he can use cqrlog also with central database, it's optional
[10:34] <petrh> but in the default configuration, cqrlog starts own mysqld process with path to ~/.config/cqrlog/database on different port
[10:43] <ratrace> Alright. I still think that's just overkill, and sqlite would be more than sufficient. unless you need high performant concurrency, that is. do you?
[10:46] <petrh> I tried rewrite the app to sqlite maybe 5 years ago but it didn't work because of many threads accessing the database.
[10:46] <petrh> mysql works nice even for people who have over 100k records in main table
[10:47] <ratrace> SQLite 3 improved on that quite a lot.
[10:57] <petrh> ratrace, but it's too late to rewrite the application :)
[10:58] <ratrace> petrh: yeah, probably :)
[11:02] <petrh> ratrace, using MySQL is also advantage for power users, they can use central MySQL server for more computers and I don't have to change single line of code :).
[11:03] <ratrace> petrh: sure, I was just referring to installing the db in homedir
[11:07] <ratrace> ie. if you wanted to embed like that, sqlite is a better choice.
[11:10] <petrh> ratrace, I started new project recently and it uses sqlite3
[11:10] <ratrace> :)
[11:10] <petrh> easier than starting mysqld and trying to solve apparmor things :), but there were not so many lines in the database.
[11:39] <geenie> make menuconfig
[11:41] <k1l_> g105b: for upgrading to unstable releases use the "-d" for the developer versions
[11:42] <g105b> k1l_: ah thank you
[11:44] <g105b> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15756943/
[11:45] <k1l_> g105b: what shows "cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades"
[11:47] <g105b> k1l_: Prompt=normal
[11:47] <k1l_> is this a real install? or some vserver?
[11:47] <k1l_> can you show the " cat /etc/apt/sources.list"?
[11:48] <g105b> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15757000/
[11:48] <g105b> k1l_: it's in AWS
[11:48] <k1l_> i dont know if you can upgrade that to 16.04. better ask the hosting support about that
[11:49] <g105b> k1l_: it doesn't know it's in AWS, surely.
[11:49] <g105b> I mean, it's not shared in any way, 100% in my control.
[11:50] <g105b> we use dedicated hardware for what we do
[11:50] <k1l_> its using the aws sources. and i dont know if aws makes changes there.
[11:50] <g105b> ah I see
[11:50] <k1l_> so i guess they are not offering a 16.04 repo. but i dont know if that upgrade would break that aws install anyway.
[11:50] <k1l_> so i would talk to the hoster support.
[11:50] <g105b> of course, I see it in there now. I understand why it's an AWS issue.
[11:51] <freaj> sometimes the hardware is software dependent (drivers, etc)
[11:52] <g105b> I am happy to break the server for testing purposes :)
[11:52] <freaj> or the repo doesn't sync xenial maybe
[11:52] <freaj> g105b: you might want to try a ubuntu repo
[11:53] <k1l_> they offer a xenial repo. but maybe they are blocking the upgrade path. so talk to the support
[11:53] <g105b> Thanks for your advice, k1l_, freaj
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:49] <freaj> hey BluesKaj
[13:57] <BluesKaj> hi freaj
[15:02] <chewey> I have a pretty new Skylake CPU and use its graphics – will the drm-intel-next changes be backported to the official 16.04 kernels, or should I plan to use the mainline kernel PPA for a while?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> chewey, arfe your graphics an issue ?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> are
[15:05] <chewey> Jup. 4096x2560@60Hz doesn't work with the current 4.4 kernel.
[15:06] <chewey> … and the changelog for newer kernels indicates lots of improvements I'll probably want.
[15:13] <alastairp> hey all. is changelogs.ubuntu.com having problem at the moment? I'm getting Network unreachable
[15:15] <squinty> it's not reachable here and  downforeveryoneorjustme.com reports it's offline too
[15:15] <alastairp> no xenial for me today :(
[16:06] <minas> Hello!
[16:06] <minas> I have noticed that in 16.04 the application menu has disappeared! Is this a known issue?
[16:07] <stratum> will xenial use mir or xserver? will I be able to clean-install gnome-shell with xserver from server image?
[16:07] <alkisg> minas: which application menu? in which version did you see that last?
[16:08] <minas> alkisg Sorry, I was referring to the menu that is _on_ an application's title bar, not the old Gnome2 thing :)
[16:08] <alkisg> Ah
[16:09] <alkisg> I've seen some changes wrt to the title bar decorations (menus, buttons etc) in the changelogs, e.g. some people were missing the ability to move the window buttons to the right
[16:09] <alkisg> But I'm not using unity/compiz so I don't know the details (I'm using the old gnome2 thing, gnome-flashback :))
[16:10] <minas> alkisg I see. I hope others have the same problem and it's gonna get fixed
[16:10] <rud0lf> hello everybody
[16:10] <minas> hey
[16:10] <rud0lf> "Pre-release versions are unstable and will probably break your computer." how comforting :[
[16:12] <k1l> rud0lf: if you need your system to work dont use alpha/beats
[16:12] <k1l> *betas
[16:12] <rud0lf> too late :)
[16:16] <alkisg> Why, what happened to you rud0lf?
[16:16] <minas> Haha
[16:16] <rud0lf> nothing
[16:16] <alkisg> OK then :)
[16:17] <rud0lf> i just wanted to say the statament from the topic doesn't sound optimistic :)
[16:17] <rud0lf> it works like charm on me (the system)
[16:18] <k1l> too many beginners running alpha/betas, have issues, then come to the support to cry.
[16:18] <rud0lf> oh i see
[16:18] <Xard> minas: yep, I've encountered the missing "global menu" as well
[16:18] <rud0lf> i thought the concept of beta software is quite common
[16:19] <minas> Xard: Okay, so it has happened to others! Have you found a solution?
[16:19] <Xard> and changing any settings in the system settings -> appearance -> behaviour seem to trigger it
[16:19] <Xard> restartting unity seems to fix it
[16:19] <Xard> have you setup the menu to be always visible?
[16:22] <minas> Xard No, Only when the mouse hovers above the window's title bar
[16:22] <minas> I had this option on 15.10
[16:22] <minas> How can I restart unity?
[16:23] <Xard> minas: Warning though: this killed all the applications not on current workspace for me
[16:23] <Xard> minas: ctrl+f2 -> type unity and launch it
[16:24] <Xard> I mean alt+f2 -> type unity
[16:24] <minas> alright, I';; try it after I'm done with my work then, thanks
[16:24] <minas> *I'll
[16:25] <Xard> but it won't kill X and the current workspace/desktop applications seem to survive that
[16:26] <Xard> minas: also only the applications launched AFTER changing the unity settings in the system menu lost their global menu
[16:28] <minas> Thanks for the information
[16:29] <Xard> no problem; while this has only happened for me now twice it's very annoying if you are in middle of something
[16:31] <minas> I hope that it will be fixed soon :)
[16:59] <neyder_> hi there
[17:00] <neyder_> i'm tryng to install a printer, Epson L355, it worked flawlessly in 15.10 and before. Now trying to print from a test y always got me an error
[17:02] <kaffien> I have an asus g73jw laptop.  Installed ubuntu 15.10.   Works great, except i keep getting this annoying pulse error that won't go away.  no pulseaudio daemon running or not running as a session daemon.  Sound works fine though as does video via youtube.   Any ideas?
[17:12] <squinty> kaffien,  might want to head over to #ubuntu channel and ask there.  this channel is currently for ubuntu 16.04 issues
[17:12] <kaffien> annnd  I need to drink my coffee.   sorry.
[17:13] <dontknow> 15.10 etc are for testing. test bad for 16.04
[17:47] <BlackMage> i can´t install vboxhost on my 16.04, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15764230/
[17:48] <nacc> BlackMage: that appears to be an external kernel module? seems like you need to contact the source-code owner to fix their code to be compatible with v4.4 APIs
[17:51] <nacc> BlackMage: also this isn't an Ubuntu kernel? /usr/src/linux-headers-4.6.0-999-generic
[17:52] <BlackMage> nacc: mainline daily
[17:53] <nacc> BlackMage: from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds ?
[17:54] <BlackMage> nacc: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2016-04-06-wily/
[17:54] <nacc> BlackMage: "These kernels are not supported and are not appropriate for production use."
[17:55] <BlackMage> nacc: i know
[17:56] <nacc> BlackMage: also, that's not 16.04
[17:56] <nacc> BlackMage: 16.04's kernel is 4.4.0-17-generic or so
[17:57] <BlackMage> nacc: the rest of my system are 16.04 packages
[17:57] <nacc> BlackMage: the kernel is the important bit for binary modules
[17:58] <nacc> BlackMage: err, external modules (dkms)
[17:59] <BlackMage> nacc: i know
[18:00] <nacc> BlackMage: then i'm not sure what you're asking? you're building an external module with an unsupported kernel. That doesn't seem ontopic for this channel?
[18:02] <BlackMage> nacc: sorry
[18:05] <nacc> BlackMage: nothing to apologize for! just want to make sure I couldn't help or wasn't misundersatnding your query
[18:41] <Carl_> hello every one
[18:43] <Carl_> Can anyone help me please?
[18:44] <nacc> !ask | Carl_
[18:45] <Carl_> thank you
[18:48] <Carl_> when i click "System Settings > Software & Updates > Additional Drivers" I get a error pop up and in the box says "error ocured whilst searching for drivers" then the other box says " software properties GTK crashed" basicly
[18:53] <kwah> anyone facing unity session issues similar to bug 1567591 ???
[18:53] <kwah> hi...
[18:56] <kwah> silence :(
[18:56] <nacc> !patience | kwah
[18:59] <nacc> kwah: this seems odd: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/252173878/LightdmGreeterLogOld.txt
[18:59] <nacc> unity-greeter .... Got a SIGTERM
[19:02] <kwah> nacc, yep.
[19:02] <nacc> kwah: mind you, i don't know why :)
[19:03] <kwah> now my session is nautilus-driven desktop...
[19:03] <kwah> lucky me: still able to run terminal, and start other programs.
[19:03] <kwah> :D
[19:19] <bjornar> Why is memcached dependent on perl!?
[19:27] <nacc> bjornar: "Traditionally this has been
[19:27] <nacc>  used in mod_perl apps to avoid storing large chunks of data in Apache
[19:27] <nacc>  memory, and to share this burden across several machines.
[19:27] <nacc> " ?
[19:34] <bjornar> insanity
[19:34] <bjornar> it forces inn 35 unnedded MB
[19:34] <bjornar> if you want the perl modules, then install them!
[19:34] <nacc> bjornar: it is that way on debian too, fwiw
[19:34] <bjornar> its insane much of the package dependencies.
[19:35] <bjornar> For example installing pip for python pulls ~700Mb of packages
[19:35] <bjornar> while pip and real requirements itself is ~2.5Mb
[19:36] <nacc> bjornar: i see it pulling in python itself and python-pip-whl, ca-certificates, don't know how big that ends up being
[19:38] <bjornar> thats no problem, all the build deps are
[19:38] <bjornar> some of it might be recommends
[19:38] <recon_dsk> anyone know if there are any issues with 16.04 and SSH using RSA keys?
[19:38] <nacc> bjornar: not sure i follow?
[19:38] <bjornar> it should be some --just-install-what-i-fxxing-ask-you
[19:46] <nacc> bjornar: i think it's because
[19:46] <nacc> /usr/share/memcached/scripts/mc_slab_mover
[19:47] <nacc> is in perl
[19:47] <nacc> as are other entries in /usr/share/memcached/scripts
[19:47] <bjornar> nacc, but then they should not be part of memcached .. its memcached-utils or whatever
[19:48] <nacc> bjornar: they are packaged in memcached, i'm just relaying the "why"
[19:48] <bjornar> sure, i understand
[19:49] <nacc> bjornar: fwiw, in a fresh xenial lxc, memcached d/l 89k of archive, 246k of disk used; python-pip gets 75.9M of archive and uses 208M of space
[19:50] <jtaylor> recon_dsk: some algorithms are disabled
[19:51] <jtaylor> recon_dsk: so depending on your settings you might not be able to connect to some servers
[19:51] <recon_dsk> jtaylor: it's ok, found the problem, need to run ssh-add on the client before it'd work, filed a bug report on the server ssh setup documentation
[19:53] <recon_dsk> problem is now what the hell did i break while trying to fix this.
[20:04] <bjornar> nacc, I just installed memcached, and it asked for 40Mb here
[20:05] <bjornar> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[20:05] <bjornar>   libevent-2.0-5 libgdbm3 libperl5.22 libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules-db memcached perl
[20:05] <bjornar>   perl-modules-5.22
[20:06] <bjornar> And I guess someone has "fixed" python pip lately after my last outbreach! ;)
[20:38]  * kwah found half a year old bug 1508529 similar to bug 1567591 he suffers from...
[20:49] <k1l> kwah: no launcher and panel means video driver is not working, most times. try the guest account if that works
[20:55] <kwah> k1l, nvidia-settings detects the driver
[20:56] <k1l> please try the guest account. if that works the driver is ok and its the .config folder in the users home
[20:56] <kwah> glxgears reporting to use nvidia driver as well
[20:56] <kwah> ok, will try
[20:56] <k1l> if the guest account has issues too, its driver related.
[20:59] <kwah> k1l, guest session works
[21:00] <k1l> then rename the .config folder from that user. then relogin.
[21:01] <k1l> after that you can copy the folder from programs you want back.
[21:02] <kwah> k1l, interesting. does it mean that user session can be broken at any time by some settings related issues?
[21:03] <k1l> i dont know what setting exactly it is most times. but that "quick fix" wokred for me and the guys who had that issues
[21:03] <k1l> iirc it could be something about qt.
[21:03] <k1l> you can go on the hunt and read the logs in /var/log and .xsession-errors etc.
[21:25] <kwah> k1l: you were right.
[21:26] <kwah> moving .config away solved the problem
[23:52] <thehumanelement> I've seen this before, but what does one do when one patches Beta 2 and reboots and there's just the desktop background after autologin and an error box followed by an error box followed by nothing? Can Alt+F2. What's going on and how to work around?
[23:53] <thehumanelement> (please)
[23:58] <thehumanelement> I'll check back in the morning, #nightall
[23:59] <jvargas> Hello.