[04:33] <TheMurdz> Morning!!!
[05:05] <iqbal> hi
[05:09] <pavlushka> Hi
[05:09] <pavlushka> morning everyone!
[06:00] <Kilos> morning all
[06:09] <Kilos> ohi theblazehen TheMurdz Rynomster inetpro and others
[06:09] <TheMurdz> Morning! :D
[06:09] <Kilos> TheMurdz you can join us officially at https://ubuntu-za.org
[06:10] <Kilos> join us on launchpad and the mailing list
[06:10] <TheMurdz> Great thanks!
[06:10] <Kilos> list not busy so no overload of mails
[06:11] <TheMurdz> Great, all done :D. Great stuff.
[06:11] <Kilos> wow you fast hey
[06:11] <TheMurdz> Yea, haha, just had to sign in and clicky clicky
[06:11] <TheMurdz> 1Gbit fibre = no delay haha
[06:12] <Kilos> i would still be hunting where to click
[06:12] <TheMurdz> hahaha
[06:12] <Kilos> wonderful
[06:12] <TheMurdz> I'll take a look at all the goodies in launchpad in a little bit. Meh
[06:12] <Kilos> ok
[06:12] <TheMurdz> broke iptables on my server >...>
[06:12] <TheMurdz> Rather, iptables broke me
[06:12] <Kilos> oh my
[06:13] <Kilos> hard work those things
[06:13] <Rynomster> morning Kilos
[06:18] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[06:18] <Kilos> not nagging but we have an out of date topis bar
[06:18] <Kilos> topic
[06:33] <TheMurdz> Hmm, looks like the fix I put out here for Ubuntu on HyperV getting stuck on "Stopping System V runlevel compatibility" doesn't really fix the problem.
[06:34]  * TheMurdz goes back to the Google machine.
[06:35] <Kilos> oh my
[06:35] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[06:42] <mazal> Mornings
[06:42] <mazal> TheMurdz, some customer feedback if you here
[06:43] <TheMurdz> I'm here
[06:43] <mazal> Happy with your service so far. Got sms Friday afternoon that sim is with couriers
[06:43] <mazal> Your couriers called me on Saturday and confirmed my adress as well as arranged deliviry day and time
[06:44] <mazal> I like it , nice and professional ;)
[06:44] <TheMurdz> Oh excellent, Glad our couriers are on point. That's great! Thanks for the feedback 
[06:44] <pavlushka> thank you mazal ! lol
[06:44] <mazal> They arranged for tomorrow. 
[06:44] <mazal> How long after I received it and they do the RICA will it become active ?
[06:45] <pavlushka> Kilos: hi and oops!
[06:45] <TheMurdz> It's activated immediately. RICA is only a document process thankfully, so won't affect your activation.
[06:45] <mazal> Kewl
[06:46] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:46] <TheMurdz> Just make sure you follow the instructions included on the sim kit for the APN. I've angered the developers about not including "afrihost" as the default APN. 
[06:46] <mazal> maaz tell Kilos Die sms ding werk nie. Dit gaan le op die router en bly nie op sim nie
[06:46] <Maaz> mazal: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:46] <TheMurdz> I think they got tired of me begging and it should now be the default APN
[06:46] <mazal> lol , Hi Kilos 
[06:46] <mazal> APN ?
[06:47] <Kilos> iuse internet as apn i think
[06:47] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell Kilos Die sms ding werk nie. Dit gaan le op die router en bly nie op sim nie" 52 seconds ago
[06:47] <TheMurdz> Access Point Name (APN) "MTN is set to "mymtn" That's how they allocate data for other providers.
[06:47] <mazal> Hang on let me write down
[06:47] <TheMurdz> Afrihost = afrihost, mtn = "mymtn" internet is used by,,, not sure haha
[06:47] <Kilos> mazal install modem-manager-gui and look for sms
[06:47] <TheMurdz> But don't put mymtn, make sure all your APNs for the device using the afrihost sim is set to "afrihost"
[06:48] <mazal> So at APN setting on router I must just put "Afrihost" ?
[06:49] <mazal> Kilos, it's ok , I find them on router now that I know they go there
[06:49] <Kilos> ok
[06:49] <TheMurdz> That's correct, I usually do it with a lowercase "a". I'm paranoid like that.
[06:50] <mazal> Ok will look for that thanx
[06:51] <mazal> This is a MTN router so will probably be on mymtn
[06:52] <TheMurdz> most likely 
[06:52] <mazal> Ok guys I'm off. Gotta safe money. Have a good day all
[06:52] <Kilos> you too
[06:52] <mazal> TheMurdz, will give feedback tomorrow after I got the sim
[06:53] <mazal> Cheers
[06:53] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:53] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm not nagging but can you please put together a new Agenda
[06:54] <Kilos> oh my
[06:54] <TheMurdz> Sweet, Thanks!
[06:54] <Kilos> chesedo ping
[06:56] <Kilos> inetpro dankie oom
[06:57] <Kilos> ill hear what chesedo wants to do with the agenda
[06:59] <Langjan> Goeiemore Kilos het jy lekker geslaap?
[06:59] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[06:59] <Kilos> wat het jy gebreek
[06:59]  * Kilos hides
[07:00] <Langjan> jy maak my skaam!
[07:00] <Kilos> ek  het te veel geslaapen jy
[07:00] <Langjan> Lekker dankie
[07:00] <Kilos> ek terg net man
[07:01] <Kilos> ek het gister jou epos gekry na jy hier klaar was
[07:01] <Kilos> haha
[07:01] <Langjan> Ek moet elke keer as ek my lappie aansit die plek waar hy moet "boot" uit 'n lys opsies kies, is dit 'n grub probleem? 
[07:02] <Kilos> probeer sudo update-grub
[07:02] <Langjan> ok dankie
[07:02] <Kilos> ek hoop dit doen die job
[07:03] <Kilos> ek het ook een keer so prob gehad maar kannie onthou hoe ek dit reg gemaak het nie
[07:04] <Kilos> even open synaptic and type in grub at the top and right click reinstall then all that show installed
[07:05] <Kilos> grub-pc grub-pc-bin etc
[07:05] <Langjan> OK it still does the same, "select boot device" - then boots anyway after a 10 second delay which is fine I suppose, sometimes one does want to select the device.
[07:05] <Kilos> you can change the 10 secs to less if you like
[07:06] <Kilos> it is just showing you the options
[07:06] <Langjan> Yes but I think its fine as it is
[07:06] <Kilos> so if the latest one goes faulty you can use recovery on an earlier one
[07:07] <Kilos> mine is at 10 secs as well
[07:07] <Langjan> No its just boot devices, a screen that looks like bios
[07:08] <Kilos> take a screeshot of it for interests sake
[07:08] <Kilos> how many devices can you have in a laptop
[07:09] <Kilos> dvd and drive and usb 
[07:09] <Langjan> Funny names but basically thats it
[07:10] <Kilos> thats is most likely the bios
[07:10] <Kilos> i thought you were talking about the grub start page
[07:11] <Langjan> No it shows a bios screen
[07:11] <Langjan> after the grub start page
[07:12] <Kilos> well, as long as it boots ignore what you see
[07:12] <Kilos> hehe
[07:13] <Langjan> ok just thought I must offer a excuse for dropping in so as to not disappoint you 
[07:14] <Kilos> hahahaha
[07:14] <Kilos> skelm toppie
[07:14] <Langjan> Ja dit kom met ervaring 
[07:14] <Kilos> haha
[07:15] <Langjan> Jy sal ook nog eendag leer
[07:15] <Langjan> wanneer jy grootword
[07:15] <Kilos> ek hoop so
[07:15] <Langjan> Hoop jy kom nou gou reg met jou visa
[07:16] <Kilos> dankie ek ook
[07:16] <Langjan> Jy gaan in die koue Kaapse weer daar aanland
[07:17] <Kilos> ja dit pla bietjie maar sal net in die bed bly
[07:17] <Langjan> Goeie plan
[07:18] <Kilos> als goed daar
[07:18] <Langjan> Mooi loop ou vriend 
[07:18] <Kilos> w2atse reserfaat is dit
[07:18] <Kilos> bushtech bly ook op een
[07:19] <Kilos> vaalkop dm
[07:19] <Kilos> dam
[07:19] <Langjan> Laat weet as daar vordering is. Reservaat?
[07:19] <Kilos> daai ding ja
[07:19] <Kilos> ek sal laat weet
[07:19] <Langjan> Waarvan praat jy vriend? Reservaat?
[07:20] <Kilos> nog nie my boere hoed op nie
[07:20] <Kilos> ja
[07:20] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[07:20] <Langjan> Jammer ek is nie met jou nie
[07:20] <Kilos> hy thatgraemeguy 
[07:20] <Langjan> hi thatgraemeguy 
[07:20] <Kilos> bly jy nie op n reservaat nie
[07:21] <Kilos> consevation area
[07:21] <Kilos> of so iets
[07:21] <Langjan> Nee in 'n aftree-kompleks, daar is 75 eenhede en jy moet bo 50 wees
[07:21] <Kilos> o ok
[07:21] <Langjan> Ek stuur vir jou fotos via e-pos
[07:22] <Kilos> ok
[07:26] <Langjan> Gekry?
[07:27] <Kilos> ek kyk
[07:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:27] <Kilos> mooi ne
[07:28] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[07:29] <Cryterion> Morning
[07:29] <Langjan> Ja ons bly baie lekker
[07:30] <Kilos> waar is die vrugte bome
[07:30] <Kilos> ek plant nie n boom wat nie kos gee nie
[07:31] <Langjan> Daar is twee mangobome wat goed dra, een vroeg en die ander laat, dan 'n minneola en papaja wat dra en ek het nou vye en druiwe geplant
[07:31] <Kilos> mooi
[07:31] <Langjan> my avocados wat ek laas jaar gepalnt het, het in die droogte en hitte gevrek sal maar weer probeer
[07:32] <Kilos> ai!
[07:32] <Langjan> Hierdie in 'n wonderlike area vir vrugte, al die subtropiese sowel as die hoëveldvrugte groei goed
[07:33] <Kilos> ja daai kant van die berg is baie beter as hier
[07:33] <Langjan> en ons is baie lief vir vrugte
[07:33] <Kilos> hier vrek als in die winter
[07:33] <Kilos> net pekan neute doen goed
[07:33] <Langjan> Ek hou so baie van litchis, het met een getrou 
[07:33] <Langjan> ja ek vrek ook in die koue
[07:33] <Kilos> ja hulle lekker
[07:34] <Kilos> haha
[07:34] <Langjan> Juanita was leach
[07:34] <Langjan> Leach
[07:34] <Langjan> Leachie
[07:34] <Kilos> en jy ie
[07:34] <Langjan> Litchi
[07:34] <Kilos> haha
[07:35] <Langjan> OK ek moet ophou klets, het werk om te doen en jy ook
[07:35] <Langjan> ?
[07:36] <Kilos> geniet jou dag
[07:36] <Langjan> Dankie Kilos jy ook 
[09:02] <chesedo> morning all
[09:02] <chesedo> pong Kilos
[09:03] <pavlushka> morning chesedo !
[09:04] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[09:04] <Kilos> can you sort the agend for the meeting sometime please
[09:04] <chesedo> Kilos: will check soon...
[09:04] <Kilos> the pro did the topic
[09:04] <Kilos> ty
[09:24] <chesedo> Kilos: the linuxconza / linuxfestza can now probable be removed from the agenda, right?
[09:24] <Kilos> yessir
[09:24] <chesedo> and the release party?
[09:24] <Kilos> the release party we decide after release because dvds get ordered
[09:25] <Kilos> it can stay on agenda
[09:26] <chesedo> great ty sir :D
[09:26] <Kilos> :D
[09:28] <chesedo> oh do you still want to keep the 'get involved with lugs' line with the removal linuxconfza
[09:28] <chesedo> Kilos: ^^
[09:30] <chesedo> anyway it is up (can still remove that if needed)
[10:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:03] <Kilos> i dunno bout the linux confza
[10:04] <Kilos> you ave been trying to contact them
[10:04] <Kilos> they are to slack to get involved
[10:04] <anton_may> ello all
[10:05] <chesedo> hey only kmf responded... and tuks said they are 'few'
[10:05] <chesedo> ooi anton_may
[10:06] <anton_may> is anybody experiencing peering (packet loss)?
[10:06] <Kilos> well
[10:07] <Kilos> maybe we can just discuss how we can get them to sit up and take notice
[10:07] <Kilos> oh
[10:07] <Kilos> and saying they are few is a feeble excuse
[10:07] <Kilos> everything starts from 1
[10:08] <Kilos> hi anton_may 
[10:08] <chesedo> nope anton_may
[10:08] <anton_may> ok, looks like there is a peering issue between Neotel & SAIX
[10:10] <chesedo> Kilos: guess we'll sort it then
[10:10]  * chesedo goes to lurk mode - has to work on an assignment for Wed
[10:11] <Kilos> ok ty
[10:11] <Kilos> we have time anyway
[10:11] <Kilos> 15 days still
[10:30] <Kilos> hi skokkk 
[10:38] <skokkk> hey Kilos, long time!
[10:43] <Kilos> yip
[10:43] <Kilos> ive always been here
[10:49] <pavlushka> can anyone tell me how I can set the TIMEZONE option in LP?
[10:56] <inetpro> pavlushka: click on your name at the top right to go to your user information
[10:57] <inetpro> pavlushka: then click on the yellow icon with a pen to the right of "Time Zone:" 
[11:02] <pavlushka> inetpro: if I had that I would have done that already, in my LP, the option is not showing.
[11:05] <inetpro> pavlushka: https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editlocation
[11:08] <pavlushka> inetpro: it worked, thanks but there was no gui way of it for my profile to my knowledge!
[11:09] <pavlushka> tell me if I am wrong.
[11:09] <inetpro> what browser?
[11:09] <pavlushka> its firefox.
[11:10] <inetpro> well, log a bug if you're concerned
[11:10] <pavlushka> yes, I am gonna
[11:18] <inetpro> pavlushka: http://www.awesomescreenshot.com/0465s5stb2
[11:19] <inetpro> that is what it should look like 
[11:20] <inetpro> obviously weith the red arrow and writing added by me
[11:20] <pavlushka> but b4 you set it how it looks like?
[11:20] <inetpro> mine was always set from the day I signed up
[11:21] <inetpro> since 2006-05-26
[11:22] <pavlushka> understood, :|
[12:04] <thatgraemeguy> anyone making significant use of ipsec in prodution env?
[12:04] <thatgraemeguy> running on a linux server that is
[12:33] <inetpro> RT @jimjag Let's see now, I have Slack, HipChat, IRC, Skype, Mail and Lync all open... Yep. Much better than just IRC and Email. #Progress
[12:35] <inetpro> plus Mattermost, Telegram, Whatsapp, Hangouts, ....
[13:07] <MaNI> one chat program per person you know, the future is here
[14:11] <pavlushka> Hey inetpro , I might need your help, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1568806
[14:26] <pavlushka> inetpro: I have set every other option in my LP profile if its gui or not, am I that stupid not being able to set timezone if there was no problem?
[14:30] <inetpro> pavlushka: and how can I help you with that?
[14:36] <pavlushka> no you cant, I am just trying to find some consolation.
[14:36] <pavlushka> that way
[14:38] <pavlushka> just see what that person is saying, I have registered my gpg keys, ssh keys, signed code of conduct being that stupid?
[14:39] <pavlushka> is that makes sense?
[14:50] <inetpro> technically a web interface is not a GUI
[14:53] <Kilos> pavlushka havent you joined bangladesh on lp
[15:04] <pavlushka> inetpro: then what it is? a CLI? where you can work with your mouse?
[15:04] <pavlushka> Kilos: Yes.
[15:05] <inetpro> pavlushka: it's a web interface or WUI for short if you want but not a GUI
[15:05] <pavlushka> inetpro: isn't it Graphical?
[15:07] <pavlushka> inetpro: ok you might win the case with your arguments but will that solve the issue?
[15:07] <inetpro> pavlushka: was just saying because I can't answer your other questions
[15:07] <Kilos> pavlushka then lp should recognise you
[15:08] <inetpro> you probably needed a simple forced refresh
[15:09] <pavlushka> inetpro: what do you mean by that?
[15:09] <pavlushka> Kilos: recognize me on what?
[15:09] <Kilos> on other lp pages
[15:10] <inetpro> pavlushka: https://www.google.co.za/search?q=browser+force+page+refresh
[15:10] <Kilos> like i joined lp on za page now it knows my timezone
[15:10] <inetpro> pavlushka: The Difference Between Web Design and GUI Design https://www.nngroup.com/articles/the-difference-between-web-design-and-gui-design/
[15:19] <pavlushka> Kilos: you have joined many other local teams.
[15:19] <Kilos> yes many in africa
[15:22] <pavlushka> Kilos: they have different time zones.
[15:23] <Kilos> yes but lp knows where i first joined i think
[15:23] <Kilos> hi qwebirc20258 
[15:23] <Kilos> welcome to u buntu-za
[15:24] <qwebirc20258> Hi. Thanks
[15:25] <qwebirc20258> How does things work here?
[15:26] <Kilos> what would you like to know
[15:26] <Kilos> this is the south african ubuntu support channel
[15:27] <Kilos> if you need help just state clearly what with and someone will help you
[15:27] <qwebirc20258> I am new to Ubuntu and would like to know where I may post questions and also where I can contribute.
[15:28] <Kilos> right here
[15:28] <Kilos> what system are you using?
[15:29] <Kilos> we have all linux users here not just ubuntu
[15:29] <qwebirc20258> Good. How does the meetings work on this channel? Is there a standard agenda?
[15:29] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/1MoSxpQ
[15:30] <Kilos> that is our agenda so far for our meeting on the 26th here at 8.30pm
[15:32] <Kilos> are you using ubuntu qwebirc20258 ?
[15:32] <qwebirc20258> I have Ubuntu 14.04 and Suselinux
[15:33] <Kilos> cool then get a proper irc client installed then you dont have to come here from the site
[15:33] <Kilos> id suggest hexchat 
[15:34] <Kilos> xchat also works but there was talk of it not being supported anymore
[15:34] <qwebirc20258> Thanks. I will. Was just browsing as I registered on the mailing list today.
[15:38] <Kilos> cool 
[15:38] <Kilos> you can also join us on launchpad also from the site there
[15:41] <qwebirc20258> What is the address and port to connect?
[15:43] <Kilos> channel is #ubuntu-za and it should allocate a port automagically
[15:43] <Kilos> and you must choose freenode then edit it and add #ubuntu-za
[15:44] <Kilos> otherwise you go to the main ubuntu channel
[15:45] <Mariusoft> Hi Kilos
[15:45] <Kilos> hi Mariusoft 
[15:46] <Mariusoft> Okay, thanks for helping, I am in
[15:46] <Kilos> thats better hey
[15:46] <Mariusoft> Much better
[15:46] <Kilos> you are welcome
[15:46] <Kilos> thats why we are here most of the time
[15:47] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[15:48] <Mariusoft> Where can I get more info on Launchpad, like a training session? I did read around on the site, but I am lost.
[15:48] <Kilos> what do you need to know ill try help
[15:49] <Kilos> give me the link you are on then ill go look
[15:50] <Mariusoft> It looks like one can create an application there, or more than one. I would like to find out if I can add a PHP application with a MySQL DB?
[15:50] <Mariusoft> Then if a application is developed, where does it run from?
[15:50] <Kilos> someone here will be able to answer you just hang tight and be patient
[15:51] <Mariusoft> Thanks
[15:51] <Kilos> most are on the way home or just arrived
[15:51] <Cryterion> ?? app developed! would normally run from here it's been put!
[15:51] <Kilos> we built our site there
[15:51] <Cryterion> Hi everyone
[15:51] <Kilos> hi Cryterion you take over
[15:52] <Cryterion> Ok, Hi Mariusoft
[15:52] <Mariusoft> HHi
[15:52] <Cryterion> What type of app are you questioning about, sorry missed previous text
[15:52] <Mariusoft> Can you guide me to a traing course for launchpad, hou the system works?
[15:53] <Cryterion> hmm, inetpro prob best, I'm still learning myself, but what problems are you having and might be able to help a bit from there
[15:54] <Mariusoft> I would like to develope a vacation app. I started in Ionic for smartphone. But then, when I joined Ubuntu I saw Launchpad and thought it would be greate to do it here.
[15:55] <Cryterion> I'll have a look quickly, see hat I can come up with, as I normally use git for code
[15:57] <Kilos> chesedo jump in here as well
[15:58] <Kilos> here is something to look at so long Mariusoft 
[15:58] <Mariusoft> I have started a project called vacation, now where do I add code?
[15:58] <Kilos> https://support.apple.com/kb/PH21859?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
[15:58] <chesedo> Kilos: let me just get my bathing suit :P
[15:58] <Kilos> lol
[16:00] <Mariusoft> Kilos, is this Apple launchpad the same as Ubuntu Launchpad?
[16:00] <Kilos> i have no idea, maybe that was a bad link to give
[16:00] <Kilos> ill let the clever guys guide you
[16:01] <Cryterion> To me, it looks so far like you upload via github, and then link the code into lauchpad from there
[16:01] <Kilos> most are here after 8.30 when family time has been served
[16:01] <Cryterion> some of us are single and live alone
[16:02] <Kilos> yeah thats why you helping now
[16:02] <Mariusoft> Thanks Cryterion, I will check it out.
[16:02] <Kilos> and chesedo 
[16:02] <Kilos> hehe
[16:02] <chesedo> Mariusoft: launchpad is a version control system like git... you will have to develop the code locally and can then use launchpad to bugs tracking, distribution etc.
[16:02] <Cryterion> Mariusoft https://help.launchpad.net/Code/QuickStart
[16:03] <Mariusoft> Okay, so it is not a development site, only version control?
[16:03] <Cryterion> you can either use github or bazaar
[16:03] <chesedo> as far as i know, yes
[16:03] <Cryterion> Looks that way
[16:04]  * Cryterion needs the rip this w key out keyboard and clean it, grrr
[16:04] <Mariusoft> Okay, then I will stay on Ionic for now. 
[16:05] <Cryterion> You could prob link directly there too, saw something in the guide about linking to external sites
[16:05] <Mariusoft> How do I go about developing apps for Ubuntu? And what language is used for the development?
[16:06] <Kilos> https://developer.ubuntu.com/
[16:06] <chesedo> Mariusoft: you used to HTML and js?
[16:07] <Mariusoft> Yes and Angular JS
[16:08] <Cryterion> Mariusoft try QT creator and code:blocks
[16:08] <chesedo> If you want to target new devices then you'll feel at home with QML (is a combination of css and js)
[16:09] <Cryterion> I do most things in c/c++
[16:09] <chesedo> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/
[16:09] <Mariusoft> Okay, thanks, I will try QT and QML
[16:10] <Cryterion> QT's nice for desktop apps, code::blocks gives a range of code options, including plugins for different platforms (including QT) although QT itself has the form designer built in
[16:11] <chesedo> Webapps can also use Cordova (if memory correct) if you know that too
[16:13]  * Cryterion has a working w key again, yay
[16:13] <Mariusoft> Yip. I am sorted for now. Thanks!
[16:13] <Cryterion> great
[16:14] <Cryterion> Anyone know the planned upgrade proceedures from 14.04 to 16.04
[16:15] <Cryterion> I.E. do I have to upgrade to 15.10 first?
[16:16] <Kilos> no
[16:16] <Kilos> 14.04 will go direct to 16.04
[16:17] <Cryterion> ok kwl
[16:17] <chesedo> Kilos: log into mattermost
[16:17] <Kilos> oh my
[16:18] <chesedo> and all others interested in the Ubuntu for Hope logo can find it there too
[16:18] <Kilos> ive lost the link chesedo 
[16:18] <chesedo> mattermost.popey.com/ubuntu
[16:19] <chesedo> brr...
[16:19] <chesedo> http://mattermost.popey.com/ubuntu
[16:19] <Kilos> going there now
[16:20] <Cryterion> lol @chesedo
[16:21] <Kilos> lol
[16:22] <chesedo> lol??? lol
[16:24] <Kilos> we may lol if we feel like it
[16:26]  * Cryterion actually just smiled and giggled a bit, but the general expression sent out via electronic from is lol
[16:32] <Kilos> bad connection today
[16:34] <chesedo> well don't lol between the clown acts, rather during :P
[16:43] <pavlushka> inetpro: now look at it https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1568806, now i might call him a stupid expert, I am not logged in?
[16:45] <Kilos> he is on family time pavlushka and dinner most likely
[16:46] <pavlushka> ok, lol, bad timing.
[16:51] <Kilos> pavlushka what was that site with ubu ntu pics and banners we joined
[16:52] <Kilos> dunno why space keeps jumping in
[16:55] <pavlushka> Ubuntu Bangladesh team and launchpad bengali translator i guess.
[16:55] <Kilos> no man
[16:56] <pavlushka> i guessed so that i didn't get your Q actually.
[16:56] <pavlushka> please rephrase.
[16:56] <Kilos> im trying to remember
[16:57] <Kilos> they have ubuntu goodies there i think
[16:58] <pavlushka> ubuntu marketing/ spreadubuntu
[16:59] <Kilos> spreadubuntu maybe
[17:00] <Kilos> yeah thats it ty
[17:00] <pavlushka> with Ruben Romero yes.
[17:01] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:01] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[17:01] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[17:02] <mazal> Evening
[17:03] <mazal> oom Kilos around ?
[17:03] <pavlushka> Kilos gone eating.
[17:03] <mazal> K thanx
[17:03] <pavlushka> hi mazal !
[17:03] <mazal> Hi pavlushka 
[17:04] <pavlushka> had your supper?
[17:05] <pavlushka> or you can have your supper meanwhile, :p
[17:06] <pavlushka> Maaz and me keeping an eye on the others by that time.
[17:06] <Maaz> pavlushka: Excuse me?
[17:06] <mazal> Oh wow ok nevermind, I've come right
[17:06] <pavlushka> maaz you are excused
[17:06] <Maaz> pavlushka: I already know stuff about you
[17:07] <mazal> Figured out how to run a command from router to get data balance
[17:07] <pavlushka> wow, 
[17:07] <mazal> USSD command , who knew that's what it does
[17:07] <pavlushka> which brand, which model?
[17:08] <mazal> No more putting sim in phone to send command
[17:08] <mazal> Huwei B315
[17:08] <mazal> Now just to remember it
[17:08] <pavlushka> its those command you run in your phone to recgarge and registration.
[17:08] <pavlushka> *recharge
[17:08] <mazal> Yeah the command that request balances
[17:09] <pavlushka> yep
[17:09] <mazal> Always so annoying to have to run it from phone , but now I run it from the router web interface
[17:09] <mazal> ( cos telkom's web site doesn't want to work )
[17:09] <mazal> So had to find another way
[17:09] <pavlushka> \o/ yea
[17:10]  * mazal goes to create doc for this
[17:33] <pavlushka> mazal: wb
[17:34] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:35] <mazal> Shees you pull out one little cable
[17:35] <mazal> Hi oom Kilos , was looking for you
[17:35] <Kilos> i see ya
[17:36] <mazal> Guess what happened this afternoon
[17:36] <Kilos> tell me
[17:36] <mazal> Telkom called , my router arrived :)
[17:36] <Kilos> haha
[17:36] <mazal> Now I am properly up and running again
[17:36] <Kilos> see you swore at them for nothing
[17:36] <mazal> And tomorrow the Afrihost sim card arrives lol
[17:37] <mazal> So I went from 6 weeks no connections to 2 options in only 3 days hehehehe
[17:37] <Kilos> then what you going to do with 2
[17:37] <mazal> Will use up the Afri and downgrade it to lowest
[17:37] <mazal> Keep it as backup
[17:37] <Kilos> ah
[17:38] <mazal> Telscum is contract so can't change it
[17:38] <Kilos> well thats wise with all you games upgrading
[17:38] <mazal> I struggled to register on site to see my data though
[17:38] <mazal> Wanted help with that
[17:38] <Kilos> telkom?
[17:39] <mazal> Yeah
[17:39] <mazal> Keeps saying wrong ID/Mobile number combination
[17:39] <Kilos> try this in browser
[17:39] <Kilos> https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=207988864261996048
[17:39] <mazal> Think it's not registered everywhere yet ?
[17:40] <mazal> Ok what just happened ?
[17:40] <mazal> I click on that link and all my info is in it ?
[17:41] <Kilos> yes it reads the sim
[17:41] <mazal> It looks almost like the site I was on
[17:41] <Kilos> it most likely is
[17:42] <Kilos> only this way reads the sim
[17:42] <mazal> I was on " My telkom " , then you must link the account. And there it fails
[17:43] <mazal> But , then I found a neat way to run a command from the router to get the info :)
[17:43] <Kilos> i have battled with that so i have this link opening when browser opns
[17:44] <mazal> This router support USSD commands
[17:44] <mazal> So one just runs the command *188# ( like you would have from a phone.
[17:44] <mazal> Then the reply sms with the info goes to the router's sms section
[17:45] <mazal> Never knew one could do that :P
[17:45] <Kilos> just try modemmanager-gui
[17:45] <Kilos> see if it can see sms stuff
[17:46] <mazal> I will just use this link oom gave me , works fastest
[17:46] <Kilos> ya but you cant see smses
[17:47] <mazal> I can , router has a section for it
[17:47] <Kilos> ok
[17:47] <Kilos> then you setup
[17:47] <mazal> SMS menu , inbox , and there they are
[17:48] <mazal> So what would this be: " Campaign Welcome Bonus Messaging "
[17:48] <mazal> It expires Sunday
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:49] <mazal> Probably a few free sms's
[17:49] <Kilos> check
[17:49] <Kilos> maybe data
[17:49] <mazal> Nah the data is both there
[17:50] <Kilos> on that link i gave you you can buy airtime and data
[17:50] <mazal> Kewl
[17:52] <mazal> It helps knowing the right people
[17:52] <Kilos> lol
[17:52] <mazal> I go update xbox
[17:53] <Kilos> i hated taking sim from modem to fone everytime i needed airtime or data
[17:53] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:55] <mazal> Yeah I despised that already just this few days I used my phone sim. in-out , in-out.
[17:56] <mazal> Can't be good for the sim itself either
[17:56] <Kilos> yeah must cause some wear and tare
[17:57] <mazal> Wish there was a way I could transfer the unused data on my phone sim to a friend
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah thats a seriously missing action
[17:58] <Kilos> i spent much time on fone asking about that
[17:58] <Kilos> with all the mobile providers
[17:59] <Kilos> but now with telkom when i buy airtime i get it for my cell then transfer it to modem then get data
[18:00] <Kilos> because you get free minutes for the same value and if it goes to the modem you lose it
[18:00] <superfly> my ears are burning again
[18:01] <Kilos> why superfly ?
[18:01] <superfly> Kilos: I heard my name mentioned somewhere
[18:01] <Kilos> hours ago
[18:01] <Kilos> in mattermost as well
[18:01] <Kilos> but you have that info on telegram as well
[18:06] <mazal> Hi superfly 
[18:06] <mazal> hey , that rhymes
[18:06] <superfly> hi mazal
[18:06] <superfly> (that doesn't)
[18:06] <mazal> hehehe
[18:06] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <mazal> Kewl , xbox updated , time for a lag test :P
[18:10] <inetpro> good evenining
[18:10] <inetpro> oops, I mean morning
[18:10] <inetpro> or what is the time anyway
[18:11] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:11] <inetpro> oh yeah, hi Kilos
[18:11] <Kilos> say hi then you are always right
[18:11] <inetpro> thanks you
[18:11] <Kilos> hehe
[18:12] <Kilos> you think i say hi because its the only greeting i know?
[18:13] <inetpro> Kilos: oh my, you struggling with recalling applicable $daytime as well?
[18:13] <Kilos> oh superfly you coulda given Mariusoft some advice
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <inetpro> pavlushka: hmm...
[18:14] <inetpro> the value of submitting a bug report, well done!
[18:15] <pavlushka> inetpro: read my comments?
[18:15] <pavlushka> *previous comments
[18:17] <pavlushka> inetpro: thank you!
[18:17] <inetpro> pavlushka: you have a bug open in your name and the status is Triaged 
[18:17] <inetpro> wil be a good feeling when that is fixed
[18:17] <inetpro> will*
[18:18] <pavlushka> inetpro: but he was acting like he is against me or just taking me for granted.
[18:19] <Kilos> no man
[18:19] <inetpro> pavlushka: don't jump to conclusions, you do not know what he was thinking
[18:19] <Kilos> dont take everything personally
[18:20] <pavlushka> ok, I will not, though I have seen him fixing other issues with the same attitude.
[18:20] <pavlushka> to the reporter.
[18:20] <Kilos> thats the way he is
[18:20] <Kilos> nothing personal about it
[18:20] <Kilos> its all just extra work for him
[18:21] <pavlushka> Kilos: its ok because you are telling me to, :p
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <inetpro> pavlushka: he is a busy man, I'm actually very surprised that he responded so quickly, be happy
[18:22] <pavlushka> \o/
[18:22] <Kilos> hi bushtech 
[18:23] <bushtech> hi Kilos, inetpro others
[18:23] <inetpro> pavlushka: have you even looked at his profile and all the things he is involved in?
[18:23] <pavlushka> yes
[18:24] <pavlushka> what does that proves? that he is a nice man? or doesn't take people for granted?
[18:25] <inetpro> try to be better than him and don't attack the person
[18:25] <Kilos> he is too busy to be friendly and chatty to everyone
[18:25] <pavlushka> I just want to stop
[18:25] <mazal> hmm , lag test ok , not great , but not bad
[18:26] <Kilos> seems bangalory peeps are easily offended
[18:26] <pavlushka> inetpro: Kilos sorry for my extra emotions
[18:26] <Kilos> pavlushka always remember nothing is to be taken personally
[18:27] <Kilos> work your way past it
[18:27] <pavlushka> I am cooling down, may be its the heat, or I dont know.
[18:27] <Kilos> we had a guy came here and attacked and swore at the fly 
[18:28] <Kilos> and fly responded like a gentleman
[18:28] <Kilos> always try make friends not enemies
[18:28] <pavlushka> I never swore back even to in person, not sure about irc.
[18:30] <pavlushka> Kilos: you might have noticed that I am improving, lol
[18:30] <Kilos> yes keep it up
[18:30] <inetpro> pavlushka: see his blog here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/blog/
[18:30] <Kilos> aggresion gets one nowhere
[18:31] <inetpro> make no mistake, he knows his job
[18:32]  * mazal only swears at Telscum
[18:32] <mazal> and taxis
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <inetpro> pavlushka: also remember, these guys are dealing with a huge amount of bugs every day of which plenty of them are invalid
[18:33] <mazal> Ok all seems fine here. Must still switch on that big blue machine though
[18:34] <inetpro> mazal: welcome to #ubuntu-za at this $hour
[18:34] <mazal> Why thank you inetpro :)
[18:34] <Kilos> oh yes
[18:34] <inetpro> :-)
[18:34] <Kilos> hello stranger
[18:34] <mazal> I am so surprised to have connection that I am now sommer online everywhere I can be :)
[18:34] <Kilos> haha
[18:35] <mazal> Lemme think how to approach this big blue , hmmmm
[18:35] <inetpro> mazal: now do some learning from Kilos of how you can limit bandwidth usage
[18:35] <pavlushka> inetpro: yes, agreed, and thanks for trying to make me better, :p
[18:35] <mazal> Kilos, how to approach big blue ?
[18:36] <Kilos> what is big blue
[18:36] <mazal> PS4
[18:36] <Kilos> carefully
[18:36] <mazal> 12 games to update
[18:36] <inetpro> DEFINITION of 'Big Blue': A slang term sometimes used to refer to International Business Machines Corporation (IBM)
[18:36] <Kilos> eish
[18:36] <mazal> Probably between 2 and 12 gig each
[18:36] <Kilos> eeeek
[18:36] <mazal> Wait up till 12am every night ?
[18:37] <Kilos> a years data for me
[18:38] <mazal> I think I must do 1 per nigh until night surfer finished , wait for next month , continue
[18:38] <Kilos> ya later is cheaper mazal 
[18:38] <Kilos> not easy to stay awake so late though
[18:39] <mazal> By the time next month comes along the ones that's finished have updates again though hahaha
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <mazal> Well I have 20gig night surfer to burn this week , will see how far that gets me
[18:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:39] <mazal> 12am till 6am yes ?
[18:40] <Kilos> yes
[18:40] <mazal> Oi
[18:40] <Kilos> did telkom change
[18:40] <Kilos> they were from 11 at one stage
[18:40] <mazal> Change ?
[18:41] <mazal> I wouldn't know
[18:41] <mazal> Is why I asked you
[18:42] <Kilos> call then
[18:42] <Kilos> 180
[18:42] <Kilos> from telkom sim is free
[18:42] <mazal> 2.1.34 Night Surfer: refers to users who use the internet service between 00:00am and
[18:42] <mazal> 07:00am;
[18:42] <mazal> From here:
[18:43] <mazal> http://www.telkom.co.za/sites/documents/aboutus/regulatory/termsandconditions/TelkomInternet_termsandconditions.pdf
[18:43] <mazal> Dunno how up to date that is though
[18:43] <Kilos> ok
[18:44] <Kilos> i dont get night surfer stuff anymore i dont think
[18:44] <Kilos> i wonder why
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: trust me it is from midnight only, I know
[18:46] <mazal> Wow check this out: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/789621-Night-Surfer-Data
[18:46] <Kilos> no man
[18:46] <mazal> You must actually reboot your router at midnight
[18:46] <Kilos> why dont i get night surfer anymore
[18:46] <inetpro> mazal: no, not necessary
[18:49] <inetpro> I reboot my router only about once or twice a month 
[18:50] <bushtech> lucky man I reboot about 50 times a day
[18:50] <inetpro> those times I  have checked airtime after midnight usage has always come off the midnight data
[18:52] <Kilos> maybe i dont get night surfer stuff aymore
[18:52] <Kilos> anymore
[18:52] <Kilos> if i do im losing it all
[18:52]  * pavlushka agrees with bushtech about being lucky.
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: all depends on what you purchase
[18:53] <Kilos> either the R139 or R199
[18:53] <Kilos> 2g or 3g
[18:54] <Kilos> im ready to sleep again
[18:55] <mazal> inetpro, you on mobile also ?
[18:55] <Kilos> yip
[18:55] <Kilos> no adsl to maplotters
[18:55] <mazal> Ok so how do I stay awake till midnight ?
[18:55] <Kilos> with difficulty
[18:55] <mazal> Haven't done that in ages
[18:56] <Kilos> do a cron job
[18:56] <bushtech> watch amovie
[18:56] <mazal> PS4 has no idea what cron is oom lol
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <mazal> bushtech, movies tend to make me sleep :P
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: ok looks like with prepaid there's no split 
[18:56] <Kilos> yay
[18:56] <inetpro> mazal: I'm on the 10+10 contract
[18:56] <bushtech> get better movies
[18:56]  * Kilos hates losing data
[18:57] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:57] <Kilos> ok i crash now
[18:57] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:57] <mazal> Will try gaming , but I find these days I can't go past 9pm then eyes gives in
[18:57] <mazal> Night oom
[18:57] <inetpro> good night Kilos
[18:57] <bushtech> night kilos
[18:58] <inetpro> mazal: what do you want to download?
[18:58] <mazal> Updates on PS4
[18:58] <mazal> It doesn't have a scheduler sadly
[18:58] <inetpro> and no URL?
[18:59] <mazal> nope
[18:59] <inetpro> ai!
[18:59] <inetpro> set the alarm
[18:59] <mazal> Is game updates , goes directly into downloads list
[18:59] <mazal> So called next-gen , gimph , PS3 could do it
[18:59] <inetpro> or just keep talking with peeps here
[18:59] <bushtech> can you take it to incredible C, play dumb and ask them to update it for you?
[19:00] <mazal> hehehehe
[19:00] <bushtech> they might not notice 12gb
[19:01] <mazal> I doubt they will even know how
[19:01] <mazal> Not much love for them
[19:01] <bushtech> there is that risk
[19:01] <bushtech> same here
[19:01] <mazal> I have yet to find one in there that actually knows what I talk about when I ask for something
[19:02] <bushtech> I find in general that applies to any store I walk into
[19:02] <inetpro> keep asking them about Ubuntu, maybe one day they will know what it is when I ask them
[19:02] <mazal> With my pc stuff I don't use stores at all. Have 1 guy that is excellent and only use him
[19:03] <mazal> inetpro, I think I must ask them when they will have the next LTS in stock :)
[19:06] <bushtech> I see 1604lts out on 21 april
[19:06] <bushtech> safe to upgrade?
[19:06] <inetpro> when I ask them whether a printer or other device will work on Ubuntu they just go, huh?
[19:07] <mazal> bushtech, I'm looking forward to that
[19:07] <mazal> Been waiting a long time to re-install this home pc
[19:07] <bushtech> yep long since given up on questions like that
[19:07]  * inetpro is on kubuntu 16.04
[19:08] <mazal> Bit worried about my media streaming though
[19:08] <bushtech> it's taken me about 2 years to het my 2 1404 servers set up nicely
[19:08] <mazal> If memory serves that did not go well the previous time
[19:08] <inetpro> many frequent updates but stability is ok
[19:09] <mazal> Lost my external drive so now media streaming from pc is only way I can go
[19:09] <bushtech> whats the problem with media streaming?
[19:09] <bushtech> works ok my side to kodibuntu
[19:09] <mazal> What app you use ?
[19:09] <bushtech> but via lan cable
[19:10] <mazal> I use PS3 media server , but if memory serves on Ubuntu it tends to disconnect
[19:10] <mazal> Oh btw , the player is a PS3 , must be compatible with that
[19:10] <bushtech> I use zbox with kodibuntu
[19:11] <mazal> zbox is the player right ?
[19:11] <bushtech> works a treat even got my wether station showing weather forecasts in kodi
[19:12] <bushtech> zbox is mini computer
[19:12] <mazal> So kodibuntu is the server ?
[19:13] <bushtech> kodi is the frontend for lack of better word
[19:13] <bushtech> its only job is to play the media sitting on buntu server
[19:14] <mazal> And what app on the buntu server do you use to server the media ?
[19:14] <bushtech> dont need an app
[19:14] <mazal> You use just a share ?
[19:15] <bushtech> server is just a store
[19:15] <bushtech> point kodi to the files on the server
[19:15] <pavlushka> Goodnight guys!
[19:15] <mazal> Night pavlushka 
[19:15] <bushtech> night pavlushka
[19:16] <mazal> I will need a media server app that can serve to PS3. Will try PS3 media server again and see what the issue was
[19:17] <bushtech> plex
[19:17] <bushtech> ?
[19:19] <mazal> Oh boy , the last update they had was for 10.04
[19:20] <mazal> Oh no hang on , I read that wrong
[19:20] <mazal> It's from 10.04 and up
[19:20] <mazal> Will look into that one defnitely.
[19:24] <bushtech> does the ps3 make a good media player?
[19:26] <mazal> Yep , been using it for a long time. But mostly with an external hdd
[19:27] <mazal> Only dabbled with media server a little bit
[19:28] <mazal> With external though you need to convert the files into a format it understand first though
[19:29] <mazal> When using PS3 media server one don't need to. It encodes as it serves as it's a dedicated app for PS3 and knows what it can open
[19:30] <mazal> The biggest drawback the external HDD route has is that you are limited to 4gig file size. Which mean that huge HD quality is out
[19:31] <mazal> Media server tends to be better for that also. With the files on PC you are not limited to file size
[19:47] <inetpro> good night
[19:47] <mazal> Night inetpro 
[19:48] <mazal> I'm also off , will do the midnight thing tomorrow
[19:48] <mazal> Night everyone