[00:00] <Unit193> ...Wow.
[01:01] <bluesabre> thats unexpected
[05:14] <pavlushka> gedit opens the 2nd file as 2nd tab in the same window but mousepad has tab support but opens the 2nd file in a new window.
[07:00] <flocculant> PaulW2U: if you get chance could you apport-collect 1568604 that should grab info for that mouse missing bug :)
[07:00] <flocculant> can't confirm that - perhaps affects laptops 
[07:01] <flocculant> I changed package to power manager - not sure it's right, but closer than Ubuntu 
[07:02] <flocculant> if it IS power manager perhaps it's because I'm using the staging one rather than repo version 
[07:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1568604 - hopefully xfpm is the right package
[07:03] <flocculant> that's all a bit much thinking for 1 cup of tea and not awake ... 
[07:19] <flocculant> sigh - not got staging one at all - I've got the daily :)
[07:21] <pavlushka> flocculant: I think that bug is affecting me too.
[07:23] <flocculant> mmm
[07:30] <flocculant> pavlushka: re mousepad - it's not gedit, if you want more than one file in an instance - drag and drop works, personally it works for me that way - I have more than 1 workspace - I often have mousepad open on both so if it auto opened in one I would be back and forth in workspaces looking for it 
[07:32] <flocculant> bbl
[07:33] <pavlushka> copy that
[07:47] <ali1234> gedit is actually desktop aware
[07:47] <ali1234> it opens files in the window on the current desktop if you have more than one
[07:47] <ali1234> and if you have no window on the current desktop, it opens one
[07:52] <ali1234> lately i've been using xed. it has all the features of gedit without the silly user interface (it looks almost identical to mousepad)
[07:53] <ali1234> i do miss the tab/space conversion feature in mousepad though
[07:58] <pavlushka> copy that too
[08:49] <ochosi> knome: just so you know, i get those rename-crash bugs in thunar in 15.10 too. had no time to dig into that further, but i guess we're looking at something with a history of not working properly anymore
[09:12] <ali1234> thunar crashes constantly for me in 15.10. the crash is triggered by inotify events, so rename, create, delete files or directories
[09:12] <ali1234> and whether you do it in thunar, or just have thunar open on a directory with files that are changing
[09:16] <ali1234> there are exactly two non-tx patches on thunar git since 1.6.10 and looks like either of them could fix it. i'll try it
[09:25] <ochosi> ali1234: thanks, that'd be great!
[10:37] <bluesabre> flocculant: Corsac saw that bug a little while back and determined that it's related to Intel... while I couldn't find a bug number, I did find the comment
[10:37] <bluesabre> 2016-03-16 12:12:20	Corsac	so indeed, it looks intel related: disable SNA or switching to modesetting fixes the issue
[10:39] <bluesabre> ali1234: let me know if you find a suitable fix... we have on in -staging that doesn't seem to fully resolve it
[11:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks - so I can assume it is xfpm? 
[11:02] <bluesabre> actually, closer to light-locker
[11:02] <bluesabre> 2016-03-16 08:35:14	Corsac	a simple vt-switch is not enough to trigger it, but dm-tool switch-to-greeter
[11:03] <bluesabre> so lightdm/light-locker/intel
[11:03] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - just wasn't sure what package it wanted - but WAS sure it wasn't Ubuntu :p
[11:04] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll get the laptop out of the box and install to it - if it's intel then I guess I'll be able to confirm
[11:04] <flocculant> and do the apport collect stuff
[11:05] <bluesabre> flocculant: though, the laptop the bug report shows has an nvidia graphics card on the product page, so might need to confirm with the reporter as well http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w540/#tab-tech_specs
[11:05] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack
[11:05] <bluesabre> but inevitably, he's probably coming back from sleep -> light-locker -> lightdm -> lightdm-gtk-greeter
[11:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: but PaulW2U confirmed on Toshiba C-50B which apparently Intel® HD Graphics 
[11:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll leave it at light-locker for the moment :p
[13:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: yep - can confirm that disappearing cursor bug - regardless of xfpm version
[13:53] <flocculant> left a note for reporter to confirm graphics and run apport-collect
[13:53] <flocculant> if I see nothing from them by tomorrow I'll report it myself and mark the other as a dupe
[13:54] <flocculant> didn't know only reporter could do that - guess it makes sense logically :)
[14:12] <PaulW2U> flocculant: will do when I get home 
[14:14] <flocculant> PaulW2U: seems that only the reporter is able to do so
[14:18] <akxwi-dave> flocculant, If I remember that particular laptop has a quadro gpu in it.. its quite a powerful workstation lappy
[14:19] <flocculant> mmm
[14:20] <akxwi-dave> i've got a lenovo with 16.04 on it at home.. it has an dual intel/nvidia so will test that bug at home later as well
[14:20] <flocculant> I'd expect you to find it 
[14:22] <akxwi-dave> must be honest, dont usually use suspen/sleep..too many probs over the years with it.. :-)
[14:22] <flocculant> I rarely use laptop ... and desktop only takes a few seconds to boot anyway 
[15:15] <flocculant> bluesabre: so - reporter has installed nvidia driver (one of those dual graphic jobs) and no longer sees the problem - left the bug as confirmed for the moment rather than marking it
[15:16] <flocculant> do we want this reported from someone(or thing) that still has the issue ? 
[15:20] <PaulW2U> flocculant: still a problem here after installing all of today's updates, rebooting and then suspending
[15:21] <PaulW2U> but it's not a problem using the latest ISO, fully updating and then suspending
[15:22] <PaulW2U> ^^ in a live session
[16:37] <knome> flocculant, if you are around and want to chime in, #canonical-sysadmin 
[16:39] <flocculant> did
[16:39] <knome> saw
[16:40] <flocculant> see
[16:40] <flocculant> knome: you still not able to login? 
[16:40] <knome> nope
[16:41] <knome> flocculant, you could try logging me out
[16:42] <flocculant> knome: you are now logged out
[16:42] <knome> cheers, let's see...
[16:42] <knome> mmh, nope
[16:43] <flocculant> knome: what if remove your openid string so it has to redo that? 
[16:44] <knome> i don't even get so far this time again
[16:44] <flocculant> right
[16:45] <flocculant> just wonder if removing that string would help
[16:45] <knome> well
[16:45] <knome> i've logged out of ubuntu one several times in the span of these days
[16:45] <flocculant> mmm
[16:48] <flocculant> do we actually want something published today btw? 
[16:48] <knome> yep
[16:48] <knome> the mugshot article
[16:48] <flocculant> you want me to do that now? 
[16:49] <knome> that works
[16:49] <flocculant> I see it's been edited since last time I looked
[16:49] <knome> mhm, and i can react immediately if it's completely borked
[16:49] <flocculant> ok - doing so now :)
[16:49]  * knome 's finger is on the button
[16:49] <flocculant> published
[16:50] <knome> looks good
[16:50] <knome> tweeting
[16:50] <flocculant> okey doke :)
[16:50] <flocculant> that at least is easy to accomplish :p
[16:50] <knome> yep
[16:51] <knome> and tweeted
[16:51] <knome> pleia2, ^ if you can G+ and FB when around
[16:53] <pleia2> done
[16:53] <knome> thanks
[16:53] <flocculant> hey pleia2 :)
[16:55] <pleia2> nope nope nope
[16:56] <pleia2> I mean, hi :) I am going back to work now
[16:56] <flocculant> :)
[18:30] <akxwi-dave> flocculant, Just ran the suspend mouse disappear test both with nvidia drivers and nouveau drivers.. Mouse pointer stays on screen and works fine..
[18:31] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: thanks - so definitely appearing to be as suspected - intel :)
[18:31] <flocculant> bluesabre: ^^
[18:32] <akxwi-dave> I'll i'll confirm that in a min  this machine has an intel gpu on the cpu as well I'll disable the nvidia.. give me a few mins
[18:41] <flocculant> \o/
[18:42] <akxwi-dave> yep.. problem is with intel...
[18:43] <flocculant> added to release note 
[18:43] <PaulW2U> Samsung R-620 with ATI graphics is ok
[18:44] <flocculant> PaulW2U: excellent - thanks :)
[18:47] <flocculant> bluesabre: this bug perhaps > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815135
[18:50] <flocculant> and bug 1297144 which is an oldy but goody - even has ochosi in there :)
[18:58] <zequence> How to preview ubiquity slideshows, now again, anyone?
[18:59] <zequence> knome: Maybe you know?
[19:00] <flocculant> zequence: I think when you've got the branch locally it's ./testsh<tab> flavour 
[19:01] <flocculant> can't remember the exact wording in there as I tab complete :)
[19:01] <zequence> Ah, right. Let me try to find it
[19:01] <flocculant> ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu
[19:01] <flocculant> here
[19:02] <zequence> Right under my nose. Thanks flocculant!
[19:04] <flocculant> welcome :)
[20:02] <flocculant> knome: best have a backup plan to get the release announcement done - like someone other than you :p
[20:02] <flocculant> and not me ;)
[20:02] <knome> hah
[20:03] <knome> backup plan is to force IS let us have "local" login
[20:03] <flocculant> :)
[20:24] <Nairwolf> knome: what is IS ? 
[20:24] <knome> canonical internet services
[20:24] <Nairwolf> ok, I see
[20:24] <knome> Nairwolf, are you saying you are volunteering to be in touch with them if other things fail?
[20:24] <knome> :P
[20:24] <flocculant> \o/
[20:25] <Nairwolf> no, sorry ^^
[20:25] <flocculant> oh boo
[20:25] <flocculant> :p
[20:25] <Nairwolf> but why do you think something will fail ? 
[20:26] <flocculant> experience ;)
[20:26] <knome> because something is failing now.
[20:26] <Nairwolf> oh...
[20:26] <Nairwolf> best luck for that !
[20:28] <flocculant> knome: do we want a wallpaper article? 
[20:28] <knome> flocculant, yep
[20:28] <knome> flocculant, either one or two
[20:29] <knome> :P
[20:29] <flocculant> knome: a lot to squeeze into 9 days ;)
[20:29] <knome> indeed
[20:30] <flocculant> not the writing - but publishing :p
[20:30] <knome> yep
[20:31] <flocculant> cloud/other and wallpaper still to write - does that match what you think? 
[20:31] <knome> yep
[20:32] <knome> well, cloud is almost there
[20:32] <knome> probably only need some intro and outro babble
[20:32] <flocculant> on pad 
[20:32] <flocculant> nothing on wordpress
[20:32] <knome> yep
[20:32] <knome> same with other
[20:32] <flocculant> right
[20:33] <flocculant> I'll get cloud started now
[20:33] <knome> if everything else fails, i'll disable openid logins for staging too, then prepare the article for you in wp format there
[20:33] <flocculant> oh ok 
[20:33] <knome> so no worries about that
[20:38] <flocculant> that makes sense 
[20:39] <flocculant> just shout if you need something - wallpaper pad at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-wallpaper
[20:39] <knome> ta, i wil
[20:39] <knome> will too
[20:39] <knome> if i can log in at some point..
[20:39] <flocculant> :)
[20:40] <flocculant> well if necessary we can do something else - google doc if we have to for instance
[20:40] <knome> yep
[20:42] <flocculant> I'll start the wallpaper one - at least get some bones there
[20:42] <flocculant> long night last - flagging a bit now ;)
[21:01] <flocculant> bones it was - night all :)
[21:01] <knome> nighty flocculant 
[22:18] <bluesabre> flocculant, PaulW2U, akxwi-dave: thanks a bunch!
[22:36] <knome> flocculant, some edits done at https://xubuntu.org/?p=3830&preview=true (yes, i could finally log in.. at least once)
[22:36] <knome> flocculant, also, cloud article is now up at https://xubuntu.org/?p=3890&preview=true, so all edits there, please :)
[23:01] <knome> bluesabre, hullo?
[23:10] <bluesabre> knome: hi
[23:10] <knome> bluesabre, do we already know if some of the bugs are without doubt going to be postponed for .1?
[23:11] <bluesabre> knome: probably most bugs if they're not already resolved
[23:11] <knome> hah, okay
[23:11] <knome> http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/s=todo,inprogress,blocked+sort=assignee+sortdir=asc
[23:12] <knome> anything from -dev or you that you might be able to fix?
[23:13] <bluesabre> knome: I'll take a look... can postpone the doc templates at this point
[23:13] <knome> yeah, i was thinking about setting up the -1604-point-1 blueprint tomorrow or sth
[23:14] <bluesabre> ok
[23:14] <bluesabre> I'll see about the appstream things, not many there, but a few can't be fixed just because they're missing icons
[23:14] <knome> like what is?
[23:15] <bluesabre> xfce4-notifyd has a single (old icon) that is 48px, and appstream min is 64px
[23:16] <knome> ah
[23:16] <bluesabre> xfce4-help uses the generic help icon, which is reserved for menus, and not 64px
[23:16] <knome> but could we use that as an appicon too?
[23:16] <knome> or do we need a specific one?
[23:16] <bluesabre> it's not us - needs to be either in the package, adwaita icon theme, or humanity icon theme
[23:17] <knome> ...but we can change the pkg?
[23:17] <bluesabre> sure, we can stick our icon in there, but that's not very upstream
[23:17] <knome> :)
[23:18] <bluesabre> same for xfce4-settings
[23:18] <bluesabre> The icon 'preferences-desktop-peripherals' was not found in the archive.
[23:18] <bluesabre> generic menu icon
[23:19] <knome> sigh for stupid requirements
[23:19] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:20] <bluesabre> or non-svg themes, or non-svg upstream application icons
[23:20] <bluesabre> :D
[23:20] <knome> :)
[23:20] <bluesabre> something that looks funny is better than nothing
[23:20] <knome> yep
[23:20] <bluesabre> in that case, suppose I could just scale up the 48px icon
[23:21] <knome> ugh
[23:21] <bluesabre> not great, but heyyy
[23:21] <knome> well
[23:21] <bluesabre> lol
[23:21] <knome> i was thinking we could draw new icons
[23:21] <knome> but it would not be very upstream as you said :P
[23:22] <bluesabre> but we'd probably want to do it tango-style? what should xfce use as a basis going forward since tango is dead and elementary is elementary?
[23:22] <knome> not the one deciding about xfce visual future
[23:23] <bluesabre> oh wow
[23:23] <bluesabre> more dead than I thought
[23:23] <bluesabre> http://tango.freedesktop.org/
[23:23] <knome> heh
[23:24] <bluesabre> suppose its hard to be modular and maintain a brand identity
[23:24] <bluesabre> maybe I'll bug ochosi about that to help get some new guidelines together
[23:24] <knome> yeah
[23:25] <knome> maybe after 16.04...
[23:28] <bluesabre> but yeah, I'll work on cleaning some of these things up a bit later
[23:29] <knome> ta
[23:33] <bluesabre> bbabl
[23:44] <knome> back tomorrow, good night