[00:00] ...Wow. [01:01] thats unexpected [05:14] gedit opens the 2nd file as 2nd tab in the same window but mousepad has tab support but opens the 2nd file in a new window. [07:00] PaulW2U: if you get chance could you apport-collect 1568604 that should grab info for that mouse missing bug :) [07:00] can't confirm that - perhaps affects laptops [07:01] I changed package to power manager - not sure it's right, but closer than Ubuntu [07:02] if it IS power manager perhaps it's because I'm using the staging one rather than repo version [07:02] bluesabre: bug 1568604 - hopefully xfpm is the right package [07:02] bug 1568604 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xubuntu 16.04 beta looses mouse cursor when returning from sleep" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568604 [07:03] that's all a bit much thinking for 1 cup of tea and not awake ... [07:19] sigh - not got staging one at all - I've got the daily :) [07:21] flocculant: I think that bug is affecting me too. [07:23] mmm [07:30] pavlushka: re mousepad - it's not gedit, if you want more than one file in an instance - drag and drop works, personally it works for me that way - I have more than 1 workspace - I often have mousepad open on both so if it auto opened in one I would be back and forth in workspaces looking for it [07:32] bbl [07:33] copy that [07:47] gedit is actually desktop aware [07:47] it opens files in the window on the current desktop if you have more than one [07:47] and if you have no window on the current desktop, it opens one [07:52] lately i've been using xed. it has all the features of gedit without the silly user interface (it looks almost identical to mousepad) [07:53] i do miss the tab/space conversion feature in mousepad though [07:58] copy that too [08:49] knome: just so you know, i get those rename-crash bugs in thunar in 15.10 too. had no time to dig into that further, but i guess we're looking at something with a history of not working properly anymore [09:12] thunar crashes constantly for me in 15.10. the crash is triggered by inotify events, so rename, create, delete files or directories [09:12] and whether you do it in thunar, or just have thunar open on a directory with files that are changing === pavlushka is now known as pavlushka- [09:16] there are exactly two non-tx patches on thunar git since 1.6.10 and looks like either of them could fix it. i'll try it [09:25] ali1234: thanks, that'd be great! === pavlushka- is now known as pavlushka [10:37] flocculant: Corsac saw that bug a little while back and determined that it's related to Intel... while I couldn't find a bug number, I did find the comment [10:37] 2016-03-16 12:12:20 Corsac so indeed, it looks intel related: disable SNA or switching to modesetting fixes the issue [10:39] ali1234: let me know if you find a suitable fix... we have on in -staging that doesn't seem to fully resolve it [11:01] bluesabre: thanks - so I can assume it is xfpm? [11:02] actually, closer to light-locker [11:02] 2016-03-16 08:35:14 Corsac a simple vt-switch is not enough to trigger it, but dm-tool switch-to-greeter [11:03] so lightdm/light-locker/intel [11:03] bluesabre: ok - just wasn't sure what package it wanted - but WAS sure it wasn't Ubuntu :p [11:04] bluesabre: I'll get the laptop out of the box and install to it - if it's intel then I guess I'll be able to confirm [11:04] and do the apport collect stuff [11:05] flocculant: though, the laptop the bug report shows has an nvidia graphics card on the product page, so might need to confirm with the reporter as well http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w540/#tab-tech_specs [11:05] bluesabre: ack [11:05] but inevitably, he's probably coming back from sleep -> light-locker -> lightdm -> lightdm-gtk-greeter [11:06] bluesabre: but PaulW2U confirmed on Toshiba C-50B which apparently Intel® HD Graphics [11:07] bluesabre: I'll leave it at light-locker for the moment :p [13:52] bluesabre: yep - can confirm that disappearing cursor bug - regardless of xfpm version [13:53] left a note for reporter to confirm graphics and run apport-collect [13:53] if I see nothing from them by tomorrow I'll report it myself and mark the other as a dupe [13:54] didn't know only reporter could do that - guess it makes sense logically :) [14:12] flocculant: will do when I get home === link2 is now known as mexchip [14:14] PaulW2U: seems that only the reporter is able to do so [14:18] flocculant, If I remember that particular laptop has a quadro gpu in it.. its quite a powerful workstation lappy [14:19] mmm [14:20] i've got a lenovo with 16.04 on it at home.. it has an dual intel/nvidia so will test that bug at home later as well [14:20] I'd expect you to find it [14:22] must be honest, dont usually use suspen/sleep..too many probs over the years with it.. :-) [14:22] I rarely use laptop ... and desktop only takes a few seconds to boot anyway [15:15] bluesabre: so - reporter has installed nvidia driver (one of those dual graphic jobs) and no longer sees the problem - left the bug as confirmed for the moment rather than marking it [15:16] do we want this reported from someone(or thing) that still has the issue ? [15:20] flocculant: still a problem here after installing all of today's updates, rebooting and then suspending [15:21] but it's not a problem using the latest ISO, fully updating and then suspending [15:22] ^^ in a live session [16:37] flocculant, if you are around and want to chime in, #canonical-sysadmin [16:39] did [16:39] saw [16:40] see [16:40] knome: you still not able to login? [16:40] nope [16:41] flocculant, you could try logging me out [16:42] knome: you are now logged out [16:42] cheers, let's see... [16:42] mmh, nope [16:43] knome: what if remove your openid string so it has to redo that? [16:44] i don't even get so far this time again [16:44] right [16:45] just wonder if removing that string would help [16:45] well [16:45] i've logged out of ubuntu one several times in the span of these days [16:45] mmm [16:48] do we actually want something published today btw? [16:48] yep [16:48] the mugshot article [16:48] you want me to do that now? [16:49] that works [16:49] I see it's been edited since last time I looked [16:49] mhm, and i can react immediately if it's completely borked [16:49] ok - doing so now :) [16:49] * knome 's finger is on the button [16:49] published [16:50] looks good [16:50] tweeting [16:50] okey doke :) [16:50] that at least is easy to accomplish :p [16:50] yep [16:51] and tweeted [16:51] pleia2, ^ if you can G+ and FB when around [16:53] done [16:53] thanks [16:53] hey pleia2 :) [16:55] nope nope nope [16:56] I mean, hi :) I am going back to work now [16:56] :) [18:30] flocculant, Just ran the suspend mouse disappear test both with nvidia drivers and nouveau drivers.. Mouse pointer stays on screen and works fine.. [18:31] akxwi-dave: thanks - so definitely appearing to be as suspected - intel :) [18:31] bluesabre: ^^ [18:32] I'll i'll confirm that in a min this machine has an intel gpu on the cpu as well I'll disable the nvidia.. give me a few mins [18:41] \o/ [18:42] yep.. problem is with intel... [18:43] added to release note [18:43] Samsung R-620 with ATI graphics is ok [18:44] PaulW2U: excellent - thanks :) [18:47] bluesabre: this bug perhaps > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815135 [18:47] Debian bug 815135 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "No cursor displayed" [Normal,Open] [18:50] and bug 1297144 which is an oldy but goody - even has ochosi in there :) [18:50] bug 1297144 in xorg (Ubuntu) "[Lenovo ThinkPad X230] Invisible cursor after resume from suspend" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297144 [18:58] How to preview ubiquity slideshows, now again, anyone? [18:59] knome: Maybe you know? [19:00] zequence: I think when you've got the branch locally it's ./testsh flavour [19:01] can't remember the exact wording in there as I tab complete :) [19:01] Ah, right. Let me try to find it [19:01] ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu [19:01] here [19:02] Right under my nose. Thanks flocculant! [19:04] welcome :) [20:02] knome: best have a backup plan to get the release announcement done - like someone other than you :p [20:02] and not me ;) [20:02] hah [20:03] backup plan is to force IS let us have "local" login [20:03] :) [20:24] knome: what is IS ? [20:24] canonical internet services [20:24] ok, I see [20:24] Nairwolf, are you saying you are volunteering to be in touch with them if other things fail? [20:24] :P [20:24] \o/ [20:25] no, sorry ^^ [20:25] oh boo [20:25] :p [20:25] but why do you think something will fail ? [20:26] experience ;) [20:26] because something is failing now. [20:26] oh... [20:26] best luck for that ! [20:28] knome: do we want a wallpaper article? [20:28] flocculant, yep [20:28] flocculant, either one or two [20:29] :P [20:29] knome: a lot to squeeze into 9 days ;) [20:29] indeed [20:30] not the writing - but publishing :p [20:30] yep [20:31] cloud/other and wallpaper still to write - does that match what you think? [20:31] yep [20:32] well, cloud is almost there [20:32] probably only need some intro and outro babble [20:32] on pad [20:32] nothing on wordpress [20:32] yep [20:32] same with other [20:32] right [20:33] I'll get cloud started now [20:33] if everything else fails, i'll disable openid logins for staging too, then prepare the article for you in wp format there [20:33] oh ok [20:33] so no worries about that [20:38] that makes sense [20:39] just shout if you need something - wallpaper pad at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-wallpaper [20:39] ta, i wil [20:39] will too [20:39] if i can log in at some point.. [20:39] :) [20:40] well if necessary we can do something else - google doc if we have to for instance [20:40] yep [20:42] I'll start the wallpaper one - at least get some bones there [20:42] long night last - flagging a bit now ;) [21:01] bones it was - night all :) [21:01] nighty flocculant [22:18] flocculant, PaulW2U, akxwi-dave: thanks a bunch! [22:36] flocculant, some edits done at https://xubuntu.org/?p=3830&preview=true (yes, i could finally log in.. at least once) [22:36] flocculant, also, cloud article is now up at https://xubuntu.org/?p=3890&preview=true, so all edits there, please :) [23:01] bluesabre, hullo? [23:10] knome: hi [23:10] bluesabre, do we already know if some of the bugs are without doubt going to be postponed for .1? [23:11] knome: probably most bugs if they're not already resolved [23:11] hah, okay [23:11] http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/s=todo,inprogress,blocked+sort=assignee+sortdir=asc [23:12] anything from -dev or you that you might be able to fix? [23:13] knome: I'll take a look... can postpone the doc templates at this point [23:13] yeah, i was thinking about setting up the -1604-point-1 blueprint tomorrow or sth [23:14] ok [23:14] I'll see about the appstream things, not many there, but a few can't be fixed just because they're missing icons [23:14] like what is? [23:15] xfce4-notifyd has a single (old icon) that is 48px, and appstream min is 64px [23:16] ah [23:16] xfce4-help uses the generic help icon, which is reserved for menus, and not 64px [23:16] but could we use that as an appicon too? [23:16] or do we need a specific one? [23:16] it's not us - needs to be either in the package, adwaita icon theme, or humanity icon theme [23:17] ...but we can change the pkg? [23:17] sure, we can stick our icon in there, but that's not very upstream [23:17] :) [23:18] same for xfce4-settings [23:18] The icon 'preferences-desktop-peripherals' was not found in the archive. [23:18] generic menu icon [23:19] sigh for stupid requirements [23:19] yeah [23:20] or non-svg themes, or non-svg upstream application icons [23:20] :D [23:20] :) [23:20] something that looks funny is better than nothing [23:20] yep [23:20] in that case, suppose I could just scale up the 48px icon [23:21] ugh [23:21] not great, but heyyy [23:21] well [23:21] lol [23:21] i was thinking we could draw new icons [23:21] but it would not be very upstream as you said :P [23:22] but we'd probably want to do it tango-style? what should xfce use as a basis going forward since tango is dead and elementary is elementary? [23:22] not the one deciding about xfce visual future [23:23] oh wow [23:23] more dead than I thought [23:23] http://tango.freedesktop.org/ [23:23] heh [23:24] suppose its hard to be modular and maintain a brand identity [23:24] maybe I'll bug ochosi about that to help get some new guidelines together [23:24] yeah [23:25] maybe after 16.04... [23:28] but yeah, I'll work on cleaning some of these things up a bit later [23:29] ta [23:33] bbabl [23:44] back tomorrow, good night