[00:02] <ximion> valorie: I meant plasma-discover 5.6 ;-)
[00:29] <mhall119> clivejo: ahoneybun: I'm looking at comment #11 on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1562406
[00:29] <mhall119> is there a missing dependency on the muon package?
[00:36] <keithzg> mhall119: Both the "muon" and "libmuon" packages are actually built from the same source; from the talk recently in the scrollback seems like folks are working on it
[00:37] <keithzg> (err, "it" being a new release)
[00:39] <mhall119> keithzg: I'm trying to get the FFE handled by the release team, but that last comment sounds like something's not ready
[00:42] <keithzg> mhall119: Ah, I getcha.
[00:47] <keithzg> mhall119: Is that the case anymore, though? I seem to remember when I got that same error myself late last month, it was due to qapt being too old. But I just tested in a VM and that dependency seems to have been satisfied sometime since.
[00:55] <keithzg> Ah . . . huh. Apparently it installs fine if one manually requests libmuon first, but it still is failing if one tries to install muon. I wonder if that's related to the lintian warning Rick was seeing?
[00:56] <mhall119> keithzg: are you using the version of muon that's trying to get into xenial's archives, or the version already there?
[00:57] <keithzg> mhall119: I was trying the version already there, since you were mentioning comment #11 on that bug
[01:10] <ahoneybun> mm
 The new muon doesn't build libmuon any more
 Discover and updater have been migrated out into a separate package (plasma-discover)
 So its just a stand alone muon package manager left now
 It was unmaintained so was dropped just the main release
 But some one mentioned that building from git worked until the 3rd of March when it started to crash
 We found that reverting the commit made it work again so contacted the person who made the commit. He explained that the commit fixed a bug but needed an update to libqapt
 Once we updated libqapt it works fine. I've been using it for about two weeks and no issues
 As have a number of others
 /me goes back to sleep
[07:41] <Mirv> I'm asking for KDE ubiquity i18n testing at bug #1512834, I made a PPA for it and MP
[07:41] <Mirv> it seems an important bug
[07:43] <vip> soee: hmm, no change after upgrade
[07:43] <vip> still huge lag after entering password in login screen
[07:55] <soee> vip: well i had the same problem
[07:55] <soee> one moment
[07:56] <soee> vip: in my case i tracked it down to this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360777
[08:01] <vip> soee: i have no such file
[08:02] <vip> maybe other dir
[08:02] <vip> .kde/share/config
[08:30] <vip> soee: yay, removing plasma-desktop-appletsrc did work
[08:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
 Hi there
[08:31] <vip> soee: thanks
 howdy
[08:31] <lordievader> Hey sick_rimmit, ovidiu-florin, how are you guys doing?
 work....
 just found nother bug
 work for me too
 Otherwise good
 I'm not sure I should fix this bug....
 you ?
 lordievader ^
[08:33] <lordievader> Doing good here, have coffee by my side :)
 apparently my bug is not a bug
 it's a feature....
[08:37] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Are you using Apple products?
 no....
 let's move this conversation to offtopic
[08:42] <soee> vip: maybe you can update my bug report wit some additional info ?
[08:42] <vip> i did
[09:27] <yofel> valorie, ahoneybun: Germany actually - same timezone though. I'm a bit sick lately and not around much, sorry
 No worries
 Hope you feel better soon 😃
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:24] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:24] <BluesKaj> Hi soee 
[11:25] <BluesKaj> sorry I had to leave yesterday, but I had to help with dinner 
[11:26] <soee> np :)
[11:28] <BluesKaj> ido you guys manage to solve the user's problems ?
[11:28] <BluesKaj> err did
[11:29] <soee> i had to leave to so i did not help :(
[11:29] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:52] <ahoneybun> mm some people are trying to use Discover over Muon: http://byteria.blogspot.com/2016/04/kubuntu-xenial-beta2-discover-spectacle.html
[13:08] <clivejo> o/ acheron
[13:12] <acheron> hello
[13:13] <clivejo> hows you?
[13:14] <acheron> good :)
[13:14] <acheron> no FFE for muon?
[13:15] <clivejo> nope
[13:15] <clivejo> someone suggested that we need to get the source released
[13:15] <acheron> shame. unlike some, I'll happily use synaptic
[13:15] <clivejo> so Im trying to  convince KDE to bump the release number
[13:19] <acheron> good luck. they seem slow to get going with things like that outside the main release priorities of plasma/kf5/apps
[13:21] <clivejo> yeah, the advice is contact the maintainer
[13:21] <clivejo> but as far as I can tell its unmaintained
[13:22] <clivejo> I also dont get why release team wont even acknowledge the FFE
[13:22] <clivejo> even if its just "sorry cantd do that because ......"
[13:43] <yofel> clivejo: you might want to go do #ubuntu-release and actually talk to them, they're really busy these days.
[13:43] <yofel> Should they defer to me, tell them I'm fine with it as long as the result is something that works reliably. If we have something that works "somewhat", then lets please go with synaptic
[13:44] <yofel> lol, thanks mhall119 for doing exactly that :D
[13:44] <mhall119> yofel: I'm trying...
[14:04] <Riddell> clivejo: don't let sitter bully you just because he's elite and has a mohawk
[14:04] <Riddell> clivejo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1562406 is already on both muon and qapt
[14:05] <Riddell> clivejo: have you tested that libqapt with all the rdepends?
[14:05] <clivejo> Riddell: I dont understand that question
[14:06] <Riddell> clivejo: apt-cache rdepends libqapt3  shows all the packages which use libqapt3, do all those packages work with your new version?
[14:06] <clivejo> I packaged a lastest git snapshot of libqapt and muon and had them in my PPA
[14:09] <sitter> Riddell: people with bowties get to passive aggressively bully everyone who isn't as snazzy
[14:09]  * Riddell puts on his fez and bits his thumb at sitter
[14:10] <Riddell> clivejo: yes, but do all the rdepends work?
[14:10] <Riddell> clivejo: you or someone needs to check they still work with the new version of qapt
[14:12] <clivejo> I dont know how to do that
[14:15] <Riddell> clivejo: install them and see if they work
[14:15] <clivejo> but looking at the commit on libqapt it doesnt seems to be modifying any previous code, just being made emit a signal
[14:15] <yofel> people try weird things - lp 1569357
[14:23] <Riddell> clivejo: great so it should work, go ahead and test it :)
[14:23] <Riddell> clivejo: but binary compatibility rules are weird so it does need to be tested
[14:25] <clivejo> but how do I test it, installing them wont test the code?
[14:34] <soee> hiho
[14:34] <clivejo> hi soee
[14:41] <yofel> soee: have you compared intel to nvidia performance on optimus lately? With the current beta driver my notebook runs considerably better with intel than with nvidia.
[14:41] <yofel> I wonder if nvidia suffers from thermal throtteling in some way..
[14:41] <soee> yofel: well i didn't check intel for a while, i'm on nvidia profile but ill switch later and see :)
[14:42] <yofel> thanks, just curious if that's something reproducable or just my notebook
[14:42] <soee> well brb, ill switch now
[14:45] <soee> well first thing, after sddm it takes 25 seconds to get to desktop when sing Intel
[14:45] <soee> i wonder if changing profile messes  up something in plasma configurtion
[14:45] <soee> system is a bit smoother though
[14:46] <yofel> login was the same for me with both
[14:47] <soee> nope, on nvidia it was super fast
[14:48] <soee> i have to check, this might be again related to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360777
[14:48] <mamarley> I have seen that issue a couple of times.
[14:49] <mamarley> It has happened repeatedly on two systems with Intel graphics and only once on any of the systems with Nvidia graphics.
[14:52] <soee> brb
[14:55] <soee> yofel: ping :D
[14:55] <yofel> ?
[14:55] <soee> so my desktop after logout and login was loadig ~ 25 seconds
[14:55] <soee> i have removed rm ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc and it loade din 2 seconds ...
[14:56] <yofel> meh
[14:59] <soee> yofel: could you backupt this file than remove and test if it helps you ?
[15:00] <yofel> I never had a long loading time
[15:00] <soee> brb
[15:10] <Riddell> clivejo: install and run
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Hi Riddell, LTNS!
[15:12] <soee> meh, i had to contact freenode stuff to unban me :/
[15:12] <Riddell> BluesKaj: whit?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> Long Time No See :-)
[15:14] <BluesKaj> old North American Native saying, Riddell
[15:14] <Riddell> aah
[15:20] <clivejo> Lang time nae see
[15:20]  * clivejo translates
[15:22] <soee> :)
[15:24] <BluesKaj> a litle o' the blarney , eh clivejo
[19:10] <soee_> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nv-win10-ubuntu1604&num=4
[19:10] <soee_> i dont get it, games liek CS:GO works 10x better on Win :/
[19:13] <sick_rimmit> !bug
[19:14] <mamarley> soee_: I don't see what you are talking about; it looks like Linux came out even or ahead in all those benchmarks except for one Unigine benchmark and Xonotic, which is a bug in Xonotic already fixed by the NVIDIA developers.
[19:16] <soee_> mamarley: yes that is what i don't understand. If the tests are so close i assume performance in game should be similar, but looking at Steam and CS:GO linux version is nowhere near to Win ingame performance
[19:16] <mamarley> soee_: Poor optimization, perhaps?
[19:16] <mamarley> (Of the game, it is fairly obvious that the drivers are optimized well.)
[19:16] <soee_> would be very very poor ;)
[19:17] <soee_> i wont mention screen tearing on hybrids
[19:17] <soee_> and yes i know .. wayland will fix it :D
[19:18] <mamarley> Well, not really.  What is needed is synchronization between the Intel and NVIDIA card, along with proper Optimus (not just having the NVIDIA card render everything and dump it in the Intel card's FB.)  As I understand it, the newly-added DRM KMS support in 364.xx should eventually allow that.
[19:21] <soee_> yeah iv been reading once about some patches that should help some day
[19:23] <mamarley> You can kinda-sorta do that now with Bumblebee, but Bumblebee copies the frames through software, which is Slow.
[19:23] <soee_> i do not use bumblebee, just prime
[19:31] <BluesKaj> soee_, don't think bumblebee will rub on the latest kubuntus anyway
[19:31] <BluesKaj> run
[19:31] <soee_> BluesKaj: this isn't any important for me tbh. :) I would liek to have new Plasma etc. first
[19:31] <BluesKaj> right
[19:34] <mamarley> Well, only about 2 more weeks until release.  5.5.5 still hasn't been uploaded to the archive yet, so they might want that to happen before 5.6 gets staged.  There is also Frameworks 5.21.
[19:35] <mamarley> And Applications 16.04 should be out before long too.
[19:35]  * genii ponders Kubuntu 14.06
[19:35] <soee_> :)
[19:36] <genii> er 16.06
[19:37] <marco-parillo> 16.10?
[19:38] <genii> Well, Dapper went to June. Could always say it's an homage from 6.06 to 16.06
[19:41] <valorie> ahoneybun: do we still feature blogs about Kub on the website?
[19:41] <valorie> seems like that byteria blog would be a good one
[19:42] <ahoneybun> valorie, that one is kinda highlighting us not having Muon 
[19:42] <marco-parillo> Ahh, that makes sense. At least as a joke. As being part of *buntu, I doubt we can plan or releases around KDE releases.
[19:42] <ahoneybun> I've not see us do it in a while
[19:42] <ahoneybun> similar problem that Ubuntu GNOME has marco-parillo 
[19:42] <ahoneybun> so hard to plan around the releases
[19:50] <valorie> ahoneybun: so? we don't have Muon yet, so it's the truth
[19:50] <valorie> if we get it released, our FFE might be granted, but we're running out of time
[19:51] <valorie> imo we shouldn't only put glowing praise
[20:00] <sick_rimmit> Hi
[20:00] <sick_rimmit> Just sent Carlo an email about Tagging a release for Muon and libqapt
[20:00] <sick_rimmit> dunno if he can do it, but I hope he can
[20:00] <sick_rimmit> My package build worked last night in pbuilder, just need a little help from clivejo to get it into my PPA
[20:00] <sick_rimmit> but...
[20:01] <sick_rimmit> I await news of a release tag, as if that comes in I'll need to repackage anyways
[20:03] <genii> Is there some way to direct a message to telegram which then goes to a particular user who is talking through it?
 mention a user?
[20:05]  * genii curses the lack of tab complete for telegram users with long names
 mine is the same on tg and IRC
 except a "-" on irc
 that tg does not support
[20:27] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Do you have a buildable Muon in Kdevelop ? have you tried with QT Creator ?
[20:28] <sick_rimmit> I asked as I want to know how to do UI design from Kdevelop ?
[20:28] <sick_rimmit> Is there a WYSIWYG ?
 În kdevelop no
 Just text
 http://imgur.com/UjSJeSc
 I'm loving this setup
[20:50] <clivejo> that would look cool with the Neon logo and clock
 maybe
 @ovidiuflorin happy birthday 🎂
[22:44] <valorie> ooo, birthday!
[22:44] <valorie> @ovidiuflorin happy birthday 🎂
[22:45] <valorie> @marcinsagol thanks for the lil cake
 Yesterday was chocolate day now cake :)
[22:50] <valorie> gosh, I had no chocolate yesterday
[22:50] <valorie> what a tragedy
 I didn't get cake!
 I'm still waiting on cookie