[00:24] <solo> hello
[00:25] <solo> short time linux user - first time caller
[00:26] <teward> solo: do you have a question?
[00:26] <solo> yes thanks teward
[00:26] <solo> im wondering about installing lubuntu
[00:27] <solo> right now i have 14.04 and just tried to update to 15.10 its okay but now i want to try lubuntu as im starting to run a few services and think this may help with my resource managment
[00:29] <solo> is there a command to install lubuntu and not lose my date
[00:29] <solo> should i use a cd?
[00:29] <solo> am i headed in the wrong direction?
[00:30] <teward> solo: let me get this straight, you have 14.04 right now, and want to update to 15.10, even though 16.04 is coming out in a few weeks?
[00:30] <teward> any chance you can wait a few weeks?
[00:30] <teward> (also, with ANY upgrade, you need to back up your data so you have a copy that isn't going to get deleted by accident if the upgrade fails)
[00:31] <wxl> s/need to/should/
[00:31] <teward> wxl: given the track history of 14.04 -> 15.10 upgrades recently, s/should/need to/
[00:31] <teward> [2016-04-11 20:27:26] <solo> right now i have 14.04 and just tried to update to 15.10
[00:31] <teward> ^ that's the basis
[00:32] <teward> but you're right, you don't *have* to make a backup
[00:33] <teward> but you really *should*
[00:37] <solo> sorry guys kids need something
[00:37] <solo> 16.04 ubuntu i think is not going to work with my graphics
[00:38] <solo> 15.10 ubuntu is okay
[00:38] <solo> 14.04/10 i had for while
[00:38] <wxl> why would newer versions not work?
[00:39] <solo> but with plex server, ssh, apache web, and desktop use i notice my cpus maxxing out
[00:39] <solo> i can find link but i think they have a bug for amd graphics in 16.04 that is kinda show stopping (ubuntu)
[00:40] <solo> so i thought maybe lubuntu would free up enough resources to allow me to do all my services plus use as desktop computer
[00:40] <solo> i agree backups should be done
[00:41] <solo> was not sure if there was a easy way to wipe clean while retain home directory and then fresh install lubuntu copy in home directory backup and be ready to rock
[00:41] <teward> wxl: Lubuntu follows the same short-death-time for 15.10 as Ubuntu does, right?
[00:41] <wxl> yuuuuuup
[00:41] <teward> solo: not if you plan on wiping clean, no
[00:42] <teward> the reason I suggested 16.04 and not 15.10 is because 15.10 has a 'short' time span of being alive and supported
[00:42] <solo> as far as i know it follows excatly the same just comes in diffrent flavors
[00:42] <teward> in July 15.10 dies
[00:42] <wxl> you could also install the lubuntu-desktop metapackage and then remove all the ubuntu garbage
[00:42] <solo> yes teward
[00:42] <teward> also what wxl said yes
[00:43] <solo> thats why i updated to 15.10 just to gain knowledge of doing it from command line and if i could fix and issues that arouse then plan was to use it till 16.04 just for experience
[00:43] <wxl> or just leave the ubutnu garbage because you have enough hard drive space and don't care XD
[00:43] <solo> but then found out about my graphics issue with 16.04
[00:43] <solo> make sure im following you
[00:44] <wxl> you should burn a live cd of the beta and see if this graphics issue is for real
[00:44] <wxl> as it might not be
[00:44] <wxl> "amd graphics" is a very wide scope but rarely do graphics issues affect ALL cards a manufacturer produces
[00:44] <solo> command line install the lubuntu-desktop metapackage then remove remaining ubuntu bloatware?
[00:44] <wxl> yuuuup
[00:44] <wxl> !purelxde
[00:44] <wxl> ^^ that's how to remove the extra bits, if you want
[00:45] <solo> thanks im going to read that link real fast and be right back
[00:45] <solo> maybe my hardware would help if you knew stats
[00:45] <wxl> i haven't heard anything about an amd bug
[00:46] <wxl> so my guess is that it doesn't widely affect all amd devices
[00:48] <solo> 15.10 / cinnamon 2.8.6 / 3.16.0-70-generic / amd e1-1500 with readon HD graphics x 2 / 5.5 gb mem / 474 gb hd / radeon hd 7310
[00:48] <wxl> pci ids would be way more valuable
[00:48] <wxl> (for the graphics)
[00:48] <wxl> lspci can get you that
[00:48] <solo> how?
[00:49] <solo> sorry
[00:49] <solo> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 14h Processor Root Complex
[00:49] <solo> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 7310]
[00:49] <solo> 00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler HDMI Audio
[00:49] <solo> 00:04.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 14h Processor Root Port
[00:49] <solo> 00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40)
[00:49] <solo> 00:12.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
[00:49] <teward> solo: i hate to ask, but what AMD bug do you refer to?
[00:49] <teward> aaaack!  pastebin!
[00:49] <teward> !pastebin
[00:49] <wxl> yeah that
[00:49] <wxl> sheesh
[00:49] <wxl> you need to use the right switches to get the pci ids
[00:50] <wxl> which is to say, this is a nice opportunity to learn about the most important thing in regards to the command line: reading the man page :)
[00:51] <teward> wxl: man man
[00:51] <solo> i like the man page
[00:51] <wxl> usually i do -nnk
[00:51] <wxl> which will get the pci ids and their name resolution, as well as the kernel drivers
[00:51] <wxl> so you can install pastebinit and then just do lspci -nnk | pastebinit
[00:52] <solo> Received a CTCP VERSION from wxl - ?
[00:52] <wxl> if you're really good you get the xchat exec plugin and then just have it do everything
[00:52] <solo> nice let me do that real fast
[00:52] <wxl> i was trying to figure out your irc program
[00:52] <solo> mine is xhat
[00:52] <solo> sorry xchat
[00:52] <wxl> i know that
[00:52] <wxl> you didn't have to tell me :)
[00:52] <wxl> ctcp version did the trick
[00:52] <teward> heh
[00:52] <wxl> teward: XP
[00:52] <teward> wxl: I lol'd
[00:53] <solo> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/ubuntu-drops-amd-catalyst-fglrx-driver-16-04 - was the issue i was talking about with 16.04
[00:54] <teward> wxl: I have an evil version because I am weird :)
[00:54] <wxl> hahahah
[00:54] <teward> apparently I was drunk when I set it
[00:54] <teward> but I digress :)
[00:55] <solo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15769751/
[00:55] <solo> nah drunk is a good side topic
[00:55] <solo> you guys ever had homemade likker?
[00:55] <teward> !offtopicv
[00:55] <teward> !offtopic
[00:55] <teward> silence Ubottu, I know I typoed
[00:55] <teward> anyways
[00:55] <solo> sorry
[00:55] <solo> where is the rules listed at i need to glance at them
[00:55] <wxl> solo: so now i'm going to teach you about one of the most important command line tools EVER
[00:56] <wxl> may i introduce grep
[00:56] <teward> nah, just a few seconds of harmless divergence while wxl and I were derping around :)  lets not discuss drinks further though :)
[00:56] <solo> see
[00:56] <wxl> grep can find the needle in the haystack
[00:56] <teward> and yes, wxl is good teacher
[00:56] <solo> i been trying to learn grep for my bash scripts
[00:56] <wxl> and of course you know pipes are really important. i assume you understand that
[00:56] <wxl> so
[00:56] <solo> |
[00:57] <wxl> if were were to do lspci -k | grep fglrx then you would know whether or not you need to worry about this drivel from omgubuntu
[00:57] <wxl> if you want to get really bashy about it:
[00:57] <solo> no output
[00:57] <wxl> ok nevermind then
[00:57] <wxl> grep only returns what it finds
[00:58] <wxl> in other words:
[00:58] <solo> so no worries
[00:58] <wxl> lspci -k | grep fglrx
[00:58] <wxl> if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then
[00:58] <wxl>    echo you better worry!
[00:58] <wxl> else
[00:58] <wxl>    don't worry
[00:58] <wxl> fi
[00:58] <wxl> oops meant to add an echo before that don\'t worry XD
[00:59] <teward> wxl: erm, doesn't fglrx provide 'radeon' module?
[00:59] <wxl> teward: i don't think so?
[00:59]  * teward ran into an "E: No Radeon" when accidentally derping with the Xenial kernel on the LTS on his current computer
[00:59] <solo> can i ask another question
[00:59] <teward> wxl: odd, then, that the system here says I"m on the proprietary drivers, yet lspci shows 'radeon'
[01:00] <wxl> um
[01:00] <wxl> !find fglrx
[01:00] <wxl> !find radeon
[01:00] <wxl> there you go i guess :)
[01:01] <wxl> solo: btw there's also lsusb. if you look at the man pages there's usually related tools at the bottom. for future reference. :)
[01:02] <solo> okay thanks wxl
[01:03] <solo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15769800/ - this is how my apt-get update looks after my upgrade from 14.04 - 15.10
[01:03] <solo> if i  command line install the lubuntu-desktop metapackage then remove remaining ubuntu bloatware
[01:03] <solo> will that fix all that mess also?
[01:03] <wxl> how did you upgrade?
[01:06] <solo> do-release-upgrade -p
[01:06] <wxl> weird all those packages kept back
[01:07] <wxl> you might try a dist-upgrade instead
[01:09] <solo> interesting
[01:09] <solo> wxl you sure your cool with me just throwing all these questions to you?
[01:09] <solo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15769986/ > sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | pastebinit
[01:10] <wxl> solo: i'm leaving in a bit but for now, sure
[01:10] <wxl> try lsb_release -a
[01:11] <solo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15770034/
[01:11] <wxl> bizarre
[01:11] <solo> wow
[01:11] <wxl> did you update before all this?
[01:11] <solo> sure almost daily
[01:12] <wxl> do it again just to see
[01:12] <wxl> so
[01:12] <wxl> sudo apt update && sudo apt -y dist-upgrade
[01:12] <solo> whats the -y?
[01:13] <wxl> say yes to all prompts
[01:13] <wxl> you don't have to do it
[01:13] <wxl> it's a normal thing for me
[01:13] <solo> just like sqlmap
[01:14] <solo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15770086/
[01:14] <solo> E: Internal error, Upgrade broke stuff - LOL what kinda of error is that
[01:14] <wxl> yikes
[01:14] <wxl> i am a bit at a loss
[01:15] <wxl> i've never had a problem like this except when doing some really funky stuff
[01:15] <solo> i think i like fixing stuff like this better then browsing the web lol
[01:16] <wxl> btw i think xchat has a built in /exec function
[01:16] <wxl> you might be able to do something like /exec -out some-cli-command | pastebinit
[01:16] <wxl> and it would spit out the url to the chat
[01:17] <solo> empty document
[01:17] <solo> so whats the easy way out here?
[01:18] <wxl>  /help exec
[01:18] <solo> back up both users in /home wipe then fresh lubuntu ?
[01:18] <wxl> the -out thing is what i would do in irssi
[01:18] <wxl> anyways
[01:18] <wxl> yeah i'd give that a shot
[01:18] <wxl> i guess i have no idea what happened to get you to this point
[01:18] <solo> bash history help?
[01:19] <wxl> i mean maybe we could pick through your apt/dpkg log and find some answers but other than that, i just don't know
[01:19] <wxl> it's as if apt thinks you're on a different version or something
[01:19] <solo> see in about my year and half on linux so far i have never looked at any log files
[01:19] <wxl> i just don't know
[01:19] <wxl> you usually don't need
[01:19] <wxl> to
[01:19] <wxl> apt -f install MIGHT fix you
[01:19] <wxl> maybe
[01:19] <wxl> might have to do it a bunch fo times interspersed with updates and dist-upgrades
[01:20] <wxl> meanwhile i need to head home
[01:20] <wxl> sorry i couldn't help :(
[01:21] <solo> no worries any bitcoin wallet addy i can send a beer money tip too?
[03:16] <solo> hello can someone help me burn a proper copy of the .iso please
[03:22] <solo> whats up snake
[03:23] <liquidsnake> whats up
[03:23] <liquidsnake> not much here just jamming some pink floyd
[03:23] <solo> not much man just glad someone is finally talking here
[03:24] <solo> nice your not burning a hogleg also are you
[03:24] <liquidsnake> its raining like crazy here
[03:24] <solo> damn you in missouri ?
[03:24] <liquidsnake> nope east texas
[03:25] <solo> cool Arkansas
[03:25] <solo> lol
[07:39] <Ascavasaion> Is there a way to edit the commandline entry in the menu system of Lubuntu's desktop that will make the application open on Desktop 2 when it is selected from the menu?
[13:55] <daniel_> hi guys can anyone help me install the legacy ati drivers?
[14:32] <Citizen_> hello
[14:34] <Citizen_> i was wondering about theming the desktop for my wifes desktop - she had unity before and liked the high contrast icons and another theme - by installing these on lubuntu will i be defeating the purpose of it?
[15:05] <n-iCe> hi
[16:17] <n-iCe> hi
[18:31] <alexF_> Bonjour à tous!
[18:31] <n-iCe> hi
[18:32] <alexF_> Je débute et j'aimerai passer de lubuntu 13.04 à la dernière version mais j'y arrive pas.
[18:32] <alexF_> Quelqu'un peux m'aider s'il vous plait?
[18:33] <n-iCe> english?
[18:33] <n-iCe> spanish?
[18:33] <alexF_> yes
[18:33] <n-iCe> goo
[18:33] <n-iCe> good
[18:33] <alexF_> i want to pass the version 13.04 to 15.10
[18:33] <alexF_> but it don't work
[18:35] <n-iCe> oh
[18:35] <n-iCe> my advice is always to do a clean install
[18:35] <genii> 13.04 is EOL, but unfortunately so is 13.10 which is the next one you would normally upgrade to
[18:35] <ianorlin> Back up first
[18:36] <genii> Better to go to 14.04 anyways, 15.10 will soon also be EOL
[18:36] <alexF_> how to upgrade to 13.10?
[18:38] <genii> !eolupgrade
[18:38] <genii> See the last link the bot gives there
[18:40] <alexF_> thank you
[18:50] <alexF_> good bye and thank you
[20:06] <n-iCe> 's back
[21:07] <citizen_> hello
[21:12] <n-iCe> hi
[21:13] <citizen_> hey
[21:13] <n-iCe> citizen_: :)
[21:14] <citizen_> can anyone spare a few mins to look over this text file for me and tell me what im doing wrong or right? thanks - http://paste.ubuntu.com/15801328/
[21:18] <n-iCe> what do you wanna know exactly
[21:19] <teward> citizen_: Error: wall of text, did not read, ask a real question please.
[21:19] <citizen_> idk excatly what to ask
[21:19] <n-iCe> citizen_: you have any problem? error?
[21:19] <citizen_> nope
[21:20] <n-iCe> then
[21:20] <n-iCe> haha
[21:20] <n-iCe> enjoy lubuntu
[21:20] <citizen_> jsut kinda stuck on what my next move should be how do i grow my linux experience based off the report i pasted
[21:21] <n-iCe> glx check it
[21:21] <genii> Install and use things, to expand your linux experience
[21:26] <citizen_> how about some assistence in setting up my ufw to allow plex media server
[22:55] <dax> sudo ufw allow portnumberhere
[22:55] <dax> oops, that was a while ago, sorry :)
[22:57] <drab> hi, trying to burn a dvd but xfburn says no burner available. dmesg/syslog shows the burner mounted and on my desktop two icons of a blank dvd showed up
[22:57] <drab> pacman says the disk is mounted, however running "
[22:57] <drab> mount"
[22:57] <drab> whups
[22:57] <drab> shows nothing mounted
[22:58] <drab> any thoughts?
[23:00] <n-iCe> hi
[23:04] <drab> seems to be something with xfburn, downloaded brasero and that's doing its job
[23:06] <n-iCe> yeah
[23:06] <n-iCe> that was going to tell you
[23:08] <citizen_> what is a good lightweight docker?
[23:08] <citizen_> also, where do you guys get your themes from?
[23:09] <n-iCe> docker
[23:10] <wxl> n-iCe: pretty sure the question is about a dock. not docker. :)
[23:10] <wxl> citizen_: box-look has a bunch of themes.
[23:11] <citizen_> cool thanks
[23:11] <citizen_> how can i just message wxl?
[23:14] <drab> hunter2
[23:15] <citizen_> how about conky is that resource light?
[23:43] <amazoniantoad> I installed lubuntu on a machine and every once in a while the desktop seems to crash. The desktop becomes pixelated and the windows create tracers as they are dragged across the screen.
[23:43] <amazoniantoad> The only way to "update" the screen to present the actual state of the desktop is by moving the cursor over things.
[23:43] <amazoniantoad> How can I solve this issue?