[00:00] <jvargas> Will 16.04 eventually upgrade Unity 7 to 8?
[01:09] <dax> ls
[01:09] <dax> oops, wrong window :)
[01:20] <Nukien> Anyone here familiar with initramfs and luks encryption ?
[01:22] <Nukien> Trying to use detached headers, and finally discovered that the bit in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot tha'ts supposed to copy the header to the conf.d/cryptheader dir in the initramfs is COMMENTED OUT
[06:04] <brianx> is there a way to make 16.04 the taskbar minimize an app when you click it's icon while it's the foreground app like many other taskbars do?
[06:50] <brianx> most of what i can find about unity is how much people hate it. :-(
[08:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:06] <ushbkk> Hi folks, Hope I am not interrupting - I have Ubuntu Mate 16.04 Beta installed and want to install a virtual machine, there is no listing for16.04 on Oracle. Any suggestions are appreciated.
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> ushbkk: can virtualbox help you?
[09:07] <ushbkk> Lotuspsycheje I will check, thank you.
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox | ushbkk
[09:09] <ushbkk> ubottu thank you
[09:09] <ushbkk> i know
[09:09] <ushbkk> still like to be nice to machines
[09:26] <daedric> any i3 user here with problems ?
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> daedric: best to share to channel whats going on, there is also #i3 if you want
[09:27] <daedric> yeah I just joined
[09:27] <daedric> I'll ask there
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> daedric: well if its 16.04 related, could be relevant here also
[09:28] <daedric> yep I planned to ask on both channel
[09:28] <daedric> so basically on session startup (after logging with lightdm) sometimes the session freeze
[09:28] <daedric> because it is not always I don't have relevant i3 logs
[09:29] <daedric> but I was wondering if anybody has experienced the same issue before always enabling the i3 logs
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> daedric: the i3 sessions freeze?
[09:29] <daedric> I need to restart lightdm (or pkill i3) to get back an UI
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> daedric: unity loads fine?
[09:30] <daedric> before today I was not even able to get a terminal (ctrl-alt-FXX)
[09:30] <daedric> lotuspsychje: yes
[09:31] <daedric> never triggered the bugs with unity
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> daedric: can you test creating another user, see if it loads i3 nicely there?
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> daedric: got the right graphics drivers enabled also?
[09:32] <daedric> lotuspsychje: for another user will do, I already disabled several stuff in my i3 config like firefox auto starting as well as skype
[09:33] <daedric> for the graphic driver, as far as I'm concerned it is fine (nvidia :()
[09:33] <daedric> nothing in the X logs showed up
[09:33] <daedric> no warning, nothing
[09:33] <daedric> (hence my conclusion it is a problem with the wm)
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> daedric: doublecheck your additional drivers to make sure :p
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> or sudo lshw -C video
[09:37] <daedric> I've the intel one for the intel chipset
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> daedric: hybrid with nvidia?
[09:38] <daedric> yep, I've a dell xps 15"
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> daedric: so optimus card needs nvidia-prime
[09:39] <daedric> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15781804/
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> daedric: you should try i3 with nvidia enabled
[09:39] <daedric> nvidia-prime is installed
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> daedric: can you check additional drivers plz, wich nvidia versions active/available?
[09:42] <daedric> nvidia-361 + nvidia-361-updated + intel-microcode
[09:42] <daedric> -updated+updates
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> daedric: ok, wich one is active?
[09:43] <daedric> ha fu%^@%$# I thought it was displaying the one active
[09:43] <daedric> the nvidia-361
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> daedric: try one of the 361 drivers and reboot
[09:43] <daedric> and the microcode
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> daedric: or the -updates one
[09:43] <daedric> I can't do it now maybe on lunch break
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> daedric: then make sure, performance mode is enabled in nvidia-settings
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> ok
[09:44] <daedric> I'm in performance mode in nvidia-setting
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> good
[09:45] <daedric> thanks for your support ! trying another nvidia driver is a good idea
[09:45] <daedric> I can't wait for nouveau to properly handle external display :(
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> daedric: well just to make sure its not related
[09:47] <daedric> yep
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> daedric: is this an update or clean install?
[09:48] <daedric> update
[09:49] <daedric> I'd thought about doing a clean install
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> daedric: from wich version?
[09:49] <daedric> 15.10
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> ok
[09:50] <daedric> I will do a clean install if I still can't properly diagnose the problem and the actual 16.04 release did not sovle the problem
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx for testing daedric
[09:50] <daedric> it is not enough of a problem for me to go through the hassle of reinstalling everything
[09:50] <daedric> my pleasure
[11:07] <Mike1> hi folks! In Ubuntu 16.04 trying to establish a VPN connection results in a segfault, any solutions? https://paste.xinu.at/iZu/ kernel: pppd[4744]: segfault at 8 ip 00007fa4a8ffdb0c sp 00007ffd9247fa20 error 4 in nm-pptp-pppd-plugin.so[7fa4a8ffc000+3000]
[11:17] <Mike1> used to work with 15.10
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:40] <icey> suddenly, I can't resize desktop windows
[11:42] <icey> also, weirdness with python-path: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15785814/
[12:09] <icey> oh well, reboot fixedc the resizing issue apparently
[13:57] <Mike1> icey: simply restarting X would have been enough too :p
[13:57] <Mike1> you don’t reboot a Linux :p
[14:03] <icey> Mike1: heh, it's not _that_stable yet, tons of updates even after feature freeze ;-)
[14:04] <Mike1> true. But it’s the reason why I hate kernel update: Because you have to reboot :(
[14:04] <Mike1> *updates
[14:10] <bjornar> What is the thing with xenial and python3 default but no /usr/bin/python symlink?
[14:10] <bjornar> Is that the way to go?
[14:12] <icey> Mike1: these < 1week uptimes on my desktop will go away as soon as Xenial lands :-P
[14:33] <timp> bjornar: perhaps /usr/bin/python is reserved for python2?
[14:34] <bjornar> dont know, if so, it will break all python scripts ever written
[14:34] <bjornar> even if actually python3 compatible
[14:45] <daedric> actually the right way to do is: /usr/bin/env python (otherwise your script can't be used in virtual env)
[14:46] <daedric> after python, python2 or python3 I guess it is up to you, but I'd use python2 or python3 depending on what you use
[14:46] <Pici> /usr/bin/python should python2 if it exists.
[14:46] <Pici> but agreed with using /usr/bin/env python
[15:28] <neyder1> hi yopu there
[15:29] <neyder1> I'm testing 16.04 and when installing EPSON L355 printer, it recognizes and intall correct driver, but it hangs when I try to install. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15793131/
[15:31] <neyder1> Printer message is 'Idle - Rendering complete' but never prints. It's ok in 15.10 and before
[16:16] <pa> hi
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> hi pa
[16:16] <pa> great that i could now move the launcher to the bottom :-) can i also remove the trash bin icon?
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> move to where?
[16:17] <k1l_> remove trash icon on launcher was always possible?
[16:17] <pa> aha! was it?
[16:17] <pa> how?
[16:17] <pa> i beg you!! tell me!!
[16:19] <k1l_> oh sorry, i was confused.
[16:20] <k1l_> on my 16.04 unity there is the tray bin on the bottom of the launcher
[16:20] <pa> yes that one
[16:20] <pa> can it be removed?
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> pa: unity-tweak-tool can get you trash icon on desktop if you like, not sure if it can be removed on launcher..
[16:24] <pa> :-(
[16:24] <pa> ok well..
[16:24] <pa> i knew it was too much to ask :)
[16:25] <k1l_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1101037
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> pa: any reason you dont want to see the trash icon?
[16:28] <pa> it uses one of my 4 screen corners
[16:28] <pa> and i never use..
[16:28] <pa> i have a keyboard button for deletion..
[16:29] <k1l_> pa: see the bug i linked. contribute to that bug.
[16:29] <k1l_> that is how one guy made it possible to get the launcher to the bottom. do something
[16:29] <pa> considering that if i have a window that is not maximized in foreground, that prevents unity from showing window commands for maximized apps in bg
[16:29] <pa> i'd rather use that corner for a "show desktop" button
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> pa: you could auto-hide the launcher and away is trash :p
[16:30] <pa> k1l_, i could, and probably might
[16:30] <pa> but makes me angry that this was something that canonical forced on users and always refused to change
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> pa: i think docky can remove trash, but not 100% sure
[16:30] <pa> and now it's users who should spend their time to fix the stupidity of canonical designers?
[16:31] <pa> can try that, thanks
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> pa: you just have been advised to add your thoughts to the bug tnx to k1l_
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> !info docky
[16:31] <pa> ah it's a different dock?
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> yes
[16:31] <pa> like a fork of unity
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> no
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> pa: its a dock package, works on unity
[16:32] <pa> ah okay
[16:32] <pa> thanks will try at once :)
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> so if you autohide launcher, you can set docky to bottom or side
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> but dont shoot me if trash cant be removed :p
[16:32] <pa> sadly written in mono
[16:32] <pa> but oh well
[16:32] <pa> if it only manages...
[16:34] <pa> but it's an additional dock on top of the launcher..
[16:34] <pa> would i have to remove the launcher?
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> pa: you could autohide launcher left, and set docky to bottom
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> or the way around
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> pa: the last answer here found a non-official trick: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37776/how-can-i-remove-the-trash-icon-from-the-unity-launcher
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> pa: try at your own risk, this isnt an official way right
[16:36] <pa> thanks! will try that too!
[16:36] <pa> docky looks nice tho
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> pa: can trash be removed now or not?
[16:36] <pa> is it also possible in 16.04 to give win decorations to all windows including maximized windows?
[16:37] <pa> lotuspsychje, from docky? yup!
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[17:21] <SCHAAP137> network-manager-openvpn really needs to accept tls_cipher as a valid option
[17:23] <SCHAAP137> quite annoying that it just doesn't connect when a tls_cipher is defined in the VPN connection file, even though it's a valid OpenVPN configuration directive
[17:24] <brianx> is there a way to make unity in 16.04 minimize an app when you click it's icon on the left bar while it's the foreground app like many other taskbars do?
[18:11] <guntbert> brianx: in 15.10 you find that setting in Unity tweak Tool
[18:12] <brianx> thanks guntbert!  i'll see if i can find that in 16.04 too.
[18:13] <guntbert> brianx: Good luck!
[18:19] <brianx> thanks guntbert.  it worked.  that was one of my larger annoyances with this interface so far, but i'm still just getting started.  migrated from fedora.
[18:24] <guntbert> brianx: nice :-)
[18:25] <brianx> it also fixed a couple minor issues for me, things that hadn't reached the level of annoyance but were not what i wanted.  still debating left of bottom...
[18:25] <brianx> or
[18:42] <Mike1> hi folks! Is there a repo for Dropbox in Ubuntu 16.04 yet?
[18:43] <nacc> Mike1: wouldn't htat be provided by a PPA normally?
[18:45] <Mike1> yes, for 15.10 there was a http://linux.dropbox.com/ubuntu wily Release
[18:46] <nacc> Mike1: seems like you should contact dropbox about that (as they are the ones providing it?)
[18:49] <Mike1> easier to ask you guys first ;)
[18:49] <nacc> Mike1: well i mean, that's not really an ubuntu question -- it's completely something dropbox does
[18:50] <Mike1> to be honest, most things in a distribution are not distribution-specific, but let’s not start arguing
[18:50] <nacc> Mike1: I mean, not provided by ubuntu
[18:51]  * nacc views support channels as supporting what is in ubuntu
[18:57] <_1a> I want to compile linux kernel 4.5.1
[18:57] <_1a> What should i do?
[18:57] <_1a> I am a noob
[18:58] <Mike1> download the sources and read INSTALL or any of the countless tutorials
[18:58] <nacc> !offtopic | _1a
[18:58] <_1a> My current kernel version is 4.4.0
[18:59] <genii> !mainline
[19:00] <DiamondSword> Hello I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 beta 2 and I've a optimus laptop (Intel gpu on board and nvidia external) I have overheating issue and my battery doesn't go well as it does when I was using Windows..
[19:00] <DiamondSword> I've read about TLP, thermald, laptop mode tools, cpufreq .. which one do I need ?
[19:01] <Mike1> you shouldn’t need any of them if I’m not mistaken
[19:01] <Mike1> maybe tlp for setting the stuff powertop recommends
[19:02] <Mike1> DiamondSword: I’m not sure how well Optimus is supported by now, there is the Bumblebee project
[19:04] <DiamondSword> Mike1, they are in the main channel advised me to use Nvidia Prime not blumlebe.
[19:04] <Mike1> DiamondSword: use cat /proc/acpi/bbswitch in a terminal to check whether the nvidia gpu is on or off
[19:04] <DiamondSword> I can not switch to Nvidia or Intel gpu with nvidia-prime now but when I want to use nvidia, the computer suddenly heats up.
[19:05] <DiamondSword> so I changed it to Intel for now but I have a good nvidia gpu card, why not I use it.. I want to use it..
[19:05] <Mike1> of course the Nvidia GPU will use more power and produce more heat
[19:05] <Mike1> do you really need it under Linux? The only use I can think of is gaming …
[19:05] <DiamondSword> Mike1, this is the output: 0000:01:00.0 OFF
[19:06] <DiamondSword> then I don't even need to try install appropriate driver for my nvidia card?
[19:06] <DiamondSword> I spent almost a week to make it work under Ubuntu :(
[19:08] <Mike1> DiamondSword: If you don’t need the nvidia GPU, keep it off and safe yourself the trouble?
[19:08] <DiamondSword> ok, I think I'll do that when the official xenial comes up.
[19:09] <DiamondSword> Mike1, if I don't any driver for nvidia, then Linux cannot detect it automatically, right ?
[19:09] <_1a> Can i compile latest stable kernel for xenial?
[19:09] <Mike1> DiamondSword: there is still the open source nouveau driver, but I don’t know in what state it is
[19:10] <Mike1> DiamondSword: it should be installed by default
[19:10] <DiamondSword> Mike1, also I wonder if it might be desktop environment issue? If I use Xubuntu (which I like it) and not Unity, do you think I'll go better with nvidia and have no high temp (maybe) ?
[19:10] <Mike1> DiamondSword: doesn’t really make a difference
[19:11] <_1a> No high temp is with amd
[19:11] <DiamondSword> when I first installed Ubuntu 16.04 beta 2 it auto recoginized Intel driver and used it. but later I wanted to use nvidia also, then all came together :)
[19:12] <Pici> /25/23
[19:12] <_1a> Yes,its automatic
[19:12] <DiamondSword> so for now, Mike1, you're recommending one of these TLP, thermald, laptop mode tools, cpufreq ?
[19:13] <Mike1> DiamondSword: I’m using TLP which works fine. You should also install powertop and use it to check whether anything is causing lots of wakeups and if TLP enables all of powertop’s recommendations
[19:14] <nacc> _1a: you can do (if you're root) whatever you want on xenial
[19:14] <DiamondSword> today I read that, I use driver for all gpu in my pc, then linux tries to work them all even if you selected one of them to work. so it makes high temperature and low battery drain.
[19:14] <DiamondSword> TLP and powerTOP then, ok
[19:14] <nacc> _1a: if you do not know how to compiile mainline kernels, you might consider using the mainline PPA, as it provides binary pacakges (but note they are not supported!)
[19:15] <Mike1> DiamondSword: TLP just allows you to easily configure stuff like enabling PCIe and SATA powersave modes while on battery
[19:15] <Mike1> DiamondSword: or to spin down HDDs (if you have any) after N seconds while on battery
[19:15] <Mike1> stuff like that
[19:15] <mrr411> so was doing the upgrade to 16.4... got about half way done and stopped said it was stopped due to some issues so i went to go into the area to make sre it can update new distro stuff and what not. said 16.4 had an error and if it continued to restart so i did and now it goes to words saying what its doing them back and collored screens then goes to a black screen and now it will only sit and beep and blink at me!!!
[19:16] <nacc> mrr411: what is "the area" ?
[19:16] <mrr411> system settings
[19:17] <mrr411> but it would not even let me into that
[19:17] <Mike1> DiamondSword: just don’t expect too much, stuff like dynamic CPU clocking is done automatically (and flawlessly) by the kernel and CPU nowadays
[19:17] <nacc> mrr411: what were you upgrding from?
[19:17] <mrr411> 15.4 or 15.6
[19:18] <nacc> mrr411: hrm?
[19:18] <nacc> mrr411: 15.04 is dead
[19:18] <nacc> mrr411: 15.6 is not a thing
[19:18] <DiamondSword> Mike1, I think powerTOP does not have a release for xenial?
[19:18] <mrr411> well it was 15 something lol
[19:18] <nacc> mrr411: it sort of matters .... 15.04 -> 16.04 is not supported
[19:18] <nacc> DiamondSword: `apt-get install powertop` ?
[19:19] <mrr411> im prity sure it was the latest 15
[19:19] <nacc> mrr411: ok
[19:19] <Mike1> DiamondSword: it does. Just as a proof: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=powertop&searchon=names&suite=xenial&section=all
[19:19] <mrr411> but first step is to get this thing to stop blinking and beeping at me if posoble lol
[19:20] <nacc> mrr411: so do you have a console or anything?
[19:20] <mrr411> what do you mean
[19:21] <mrr411> it was my media center computer so im on my main computer
[19:21] <nacc> mrr411: it's hard to tell what state your system is in. Are you able to login to it at a command-line console or anything? (alt+f1 iirc)
[19:21] <nacc> mrr411: how would you access it normally?
[19:21] <mrr411> nope at this point it wont do anything
[19:22] <mrr411> i told it from bio to reset to what it should be and then it restarted and started beeping and blinking at me. it wont even send anything to the monitor
[19:22] <nacc> mrr411: i don't know what you mean by "i told it from bio to reset to what it should be"?
[19:23] <DiamondSword> ok I've installed it. how can I pastebin the powertop output ?
[19:23] <mrr411> reset the bios to manufacturer spects
[19:23] <nacc> mrr411: i'm struggling to understand why that would be relevant?
[19:24] <mrr411> because thats when it started to do the beeping thing
[19:24] <nacc> mrr411: no, i mean why would you change bios settings in response to a failed OS update?
[19:24] <_1a> nacc :I'll try sudo apt-get upgrade as of now
[19:25] <nacc> _1a: that has nothing to do with mainline kernels; it will just get you the latest ubuntu-supported kernels
[19:25] <mrr411> i was trying to get it to boot thumb drive and accedentaly chainged n saved something that i knew i shouldent have
[19:25] <nacc> _1a: why do you think you need mainline?
[19:26] <_1a> nacc : i want to learn how to manually update kernel
[19:27] <DiamondSword> Mike1, ahh you mean "Tunables" tab on powertop ? there are lots of things there, should I do them all "Bad" tagged ?
[19:29] <Mike1> DiamondSword: yes, if they don’t cause any problems
[19:30] <Mike1> DiamondSword: TLP should set them automatically when on battery
[19:30] <_1a> nacc:what is the use of mainline?
[19:31] <nacc> _1a: that's not really on topic for this channel
[19:31] <DiamondSword> hmh, ok I'll try that.
[19:31] <DiamondSword> tlp and laptop mode tools is the same thing?
[19:36] <DiamondSword> asADSDAS
[19:36] <Mike1> DiamondSword: I think they basically do the same thing
[19:36] <DiamondSword> am I dc ?
[19:36] <DiamondSword> uh ok
[19:42] <mrr411> nacc: comp beeps 6 times
[19:42] <mrr411> i know its no help at least its my media center just means no VIkings till i get it sorted out
[19:43] <nacc> mrr411: hrm, is it running headless? maybe the beeps mean something from the bios/mb vendor?
[19:44] <mrr411> headless? and bing as to how it started happening right after I reset the bios im guessing that would be it.
[19:45] <mrr411> hp says 6 beeps is vidio card or graphix
[19:45] <BluesKaj> if it's a media center it can't be headless by definition
[19:45] <mrr411> witch if it cant read the graphix card i sopose that could cause it
[19:46] <mrr411> there is a build it card should i try that one instead?
[19:47] <BluesKaj> mrr411,  you could try re setting the gpu in the bios to pci if that's what you use since setting the bios back to defaults would cause the pci to be ignored
[19:47] <mrr411> I cant do that because i cant even get to the bios
[19:48] <DiamondSword> Mike1, I have only 1 Bad situation after TLP install but I cannot disable it, my mouse :) http://i.hizliresim.com/3LVpp2.png
[19:49] <BluesKaj> uhoh, cmos  problem maybe
[19:52] <BluesKaj> shut the pc down , pull the plug , then find the onboard battery, take it out for at least 30mis, then replace the battery, plug the power cord back in and try booting the pc again, mrr411
[19:53] <mrr411> i did all that but did not wait 30 mins
[19:53] <mrr411> going to try hooking it up via mother board to monitor and then i will try that
[19:53] <BluesKaj> I read somewhere a long time ago to leave it out for at least 30 mins
[19:56] <mrr411> well ill try it but HP saying its Video Card or Graphics unless that chainges when you put ubuntu but im prity sure thats a built in thing
[19:56] <mrr411> and comp is not putting out a vidio feed
[19:56] <mrr411> but ill try the 30 min thing now
[19:58] <BluesKaj> I have an HP and the gpu needs to be set as pci if you use one
[20:00] <mrr411> well yea i dono ...... untill i can get a screen back i cant do anything shoulda went with my gut and just left it
[20:00] <mrr411> i have bad habbit of trying to fix stuff when it aint broken
[20:01] <mrr411> guess power suply keeps power for longer then i thought so the 30 mins might be that
[20:09] <syth> nacc: i have downloaded the source for 4.5.1
[20:12] <nacc> syth: there are lots of guides to building the mainline kernel from source
[21:05] <mrr411> well waiting 30 mins didnt work