[05:00] hello [06:35] Laney: ownclound-client has renamed it's libraries, debian has not. can we sync it again or not? [08:02] tjaalton: no, but you can upload it with B+R on the v5 name if you handle the transition [08:02] morning [08:05] Laney: ok, looks like there are no rdeps [08:08] morning all === sil2100_ is now known as sil2100 [09:51] morning all [10:06] Next stop Dallas. l8r === Drac0 is now known as Guest51593 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:31] ricotz: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99223#c3 <- people want 5.1 backports. Any reason for not having them in libreoffice-5-1 or fresh ppas? [12:31] bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 99223 in Writer "crash when editing complex document useful with 5.05" [Normal,Needinfo] [12:44] Sweet5hark, huh? [12:45] Sweet5hark, of course they are there for trusty and wily, and we talked about precise [12:46] ricotz: ah, urgh yeah. Sorry, read it too fast, thought he was on Trusty .... [12:46] the bug claims he is on Precise [12:48] (I might give it another shot, but this isn't pretty) [13:08] Laney: ping === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [15:03] hey all. [15:03] Trevinho: i just wanted to enquire as to that potential 0.9.12.3 release for compiz? i tough this would only take a week at best [15:04] we're waiting on that to forward re-integration in debian [15:26] mhall119: sorry, really busy trying to crowbar gnome-software in before xenial [15:30] IT IS MY HONOUR TO CHAIR THE DESKTOP TEAM MEETING [15:31] * qengho bows [15:31] #startmeeting Desktop Team 2016-04-12 [15:31] Meeting started Tue Apr 12 15:31:13 2016 UTC. The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:31] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: [15:31] I stole this from slangesek: [15:31] laney@nightingale> echo $(shuf -e desrt andyrock happyaron SweetShark qengho hikiko FJKong Laney TheMuso Trevinho robert_ancell seb128 tkamppeter willcooke attente) ~ [15:31] qengho seb128 willcooke attente tkamppeter TheMuso Laney Trevinho FJKong hikiko robert_ancell happyaron desrt SweetShark andyrock [15:31] Ooo! [15:32] #topic qengho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: qengho [15:32] o/ [15:32] - transitioning chromium to new build system, GN, off of GYP. - chromium snaps - zfs utilities testing. [15:32] EOF [15:32] \o [15:32] Ow, man, all on one line. [15:33] compression [15:33] Indeed. Newlines cost money. [15:33] * Laney skips the people that are away [15:33] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: attente [15:33] hi all [15:34] gnome-software hackfest last week, some patches merged upstream as well as some feature requests [15:34] trying to fix up some update-all stuff for a new release [15:34] are you getting the branch in shape? [15:34] we should update thursday latest [15:34] Laney: trying [15:35] and file bugs for the remaining issues [15:35] then SRU those later on [15:35] need to fix some bugs right now [15:35] we're going to have to release note some stuff [15:35] maybe tonight or tomorrow for a new release [15:35] so whatever you know of, keep it in mind [15:35] like "why oh why are some apps randomly marked as third party?" [15:36] if you have time could you test the new dpkg plugin please? [15:36] sure [15:36] hughsie split it out but I doubt it actually got tested [15:36] merci! [15:36] yeah, a bit worried because cherry picking the update-all stuff doesn't work either [15:36] conflicts? [15:37] fixed the conflicts, but still running into a segfault [15:37] mmm [15:37] in the worst case we hide the button again [15:37] also some other unmentionables [15:37] and SRU this change [15:37] ok [15:37] I saw the notification with actions too [15:37] should make sure that is turned off properly [15:38] right [15:38] think there was a commit to check XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP there to take, or write [15:38] he said it should be in the gs-utils [15:39] anyways (eof) [15:39] thx [15:39] #topic tkamppeter === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: tkamppeter [15:39] - cups-filters: Determined what needs to be done to make it support MuPDF as PDF interpreter. Should be possible to get it done by two GSoC students. [15:39] - cups-filters: Flattening filled forms is no problem with cups-filters with all three PDF interpreters thanks to rastertopdf (with all interpreters we can generate PWG Raster) [15:39] - PWG (Printer Working Group) has released IPP Everywhere standard so that printer manufacturers can self-certify. Very important step for driverless printing. [15:39] - Google Summer of Code 2016: Student selection, request of slots at Google, mentor assignment [15:39] - Bugs. [15:40] cheers [15:40] #topic TheMuso === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: TheMuso [15:40] * Finished implementing a solution for accessibility profiles to be [15:40] available and usable in the mate flavour. [15:40] * Bug fixes for Braille and alsa to fix various bugs that have been [15:40] reported. [15:40] * Spent time tracking down what I thought was a race condition in mate with [15:40] accessibility. Sometimes Orca wouldn't read the desktop. Turns out I had to [15:40] wait a bit, and all worked. Why its not responsive on first start I don't [15:40] know, but it does work. [15:41] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: Laney [15:41] gnome-software sprint too [15:41] hopefully most stuff is going upstream [15:41] did some code for it like adding the usage of libapt [15:42] the rest of the week I will be working on this too, probably not much else before release [15:42] although I will try to sponsor some stuff [15:42] #topic Trevinho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: Trevinho [15:42] · Fixed indicator-session race that caused "Restart..." menu item to be shown in unity [15:42] · Fixed a regression in BAMF matching for desktop-less apps [15:42] · Investigating the no-menus on fresh-boot issue (really can't reproduce, looks like a race in gtk parsing of the menu-model, since Hud works) [15:42] · Improved andyrock bamf and Hud branches to reduce memory usage, removing X properties dependencies and sharing the action menus. [15:42] · Hud tuning [15:42] EOF [15:43] thx [15:43] #topic FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: FJKong [15:44] 1 libpng research to get time of frame, may need aron to help to update [15:44] package [15:44] 2 skin unpack for sogou skin testing [15:44] 3 review bug report from community [15:44] #topic hikiko === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: hikiko [15:45] * Laney coughs [15:45] very well [15:45] #topic happyaron === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: happyaron [15:46] a minute.. [15:46] * Laney is excited [15:46] 1. updated: radcli, ocserv [15:46] 2. review translations submitted from NUDT's team (6000+ strings) [15:46] 3. libxml2 python3 build system issue follow up [15:46] 4. ubuntukylin packages review&sponsoring [15:47] EOF [15:47] that is exciting! [15:47] thanks! [15:47] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: desrt [15:47] * happyaron looks at that excited Laney [15:47] o hai [15:48] working on untangling a big mess right now.. we never considered what would happen with dbus-activatable apps if we had an app with '-' in the bus name [15:48] turns out we have a bunch of those and it's a mess... [15:48] isn't that not allowed? [15:48] i was going to force everyone to rename their apps because seb was away and i hope he wouldn't notice, but then i remembered that he's coming back soon [15:48] so instead, we're just going to say that '-' is good from now on [15:49] well, the problem stems from the fact that we need to convert the desktop file name into a dbus object path and object paths cannot have '-' [15:49] gapplication has an old trick to use '_' instead, so we're just copying that around to a few more places [15:49] the funny thing is that a bunch of apps list DBusActivatable=true, install service files, the whole nine yards, but have a '-' in the name, so have been silently falling back to fork()/exec() the whole time [15:50] haha === Drac0 is now known as Guest65199 [15:50] the best case is gnome-font-viewer which installs a service file that has an Exec=gnome-font-viewer --gapplication-service [15:50] desrt: so we are testing the fallback verrry well> [15:50] Laney: when you're done crowbar-ing gnome-sofware into xenial, could you help muon do the same? [15:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1562406 [15:50] Launchpad bug 1562406 in muon (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to latest upstream version" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:50] but gnome-font-viewer doesn't actually accept --gapplication-service as a valid commandline option [15:50] pretty hilarious [15:51] the only reason it worked at all is because it has '-' in the name and has been using the fallback path [15:51] anyway... i'll have this all sorted out by end of day, hopefully :) [15:51] mhall119: I'm not likely to be done ever EVER ever EVER - try pitt_i? [15:51] otherwise, florida was awesome [15:51] eof. [15:51] did you go to disneyworld? [15:51] no [15:51] but i went to nasa [15:51] and we saw the CRS-8 falcon9/dragon launch [15:52] first successful touchdown on the drone ship. very exciting. [15:52] it was _loud_ [15:52] hell yeah [15:52] #topic Sweet5hark === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: Sweet5hark [15:52] - bumped xenial to 5.1.2 along with upstream [15:52] - code review (upstream) [15:52] - triaged and fixed bug 1566050 upstream (do we want to bump LibreOffice for this in Xenial still? AFAICS its "only" a crash on exit ...) [15:52] - was in Munich for TDF/LibreOffice, opportunity to meet the state secretary of the federal german ministry for economics [15:52] EOF [15:52] bug 1566050 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Crash on exit: ScCsvGrid leaks past vcl lifetime" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566050 [15:53] you schmoozer [15:54] aye [15:54] danke [15:54] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: andyrock [15:54] hey [15:54] worked on the hud keybinding change [15:55] and some reviews [15:55] <\andy> [15:55] you html bad [15:56] #topic aob === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team 2016-04-12 Meeting | Current topic: aob [15:57] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks [15:57] Meeting ended Tue Apr 12 15:57:10 2016 UTC. [15:57] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-04-12-15.31.moin.txt [15:57] larsu: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/12/berlin-airport-spokesman-daniel-abbou-sacked-criticising-project I lol'd [15:58] Laney: me too :) [15:58] that's what you get for speaking the truth! [15:58] "I need someone who is going to cut the crap" [15:59] NO NOT THAT MUCH [16:03] haha [16:06] hrhr [16:13] larsu: its not even only germans anymore -- around 3:45 some turks are bashing the berlin airport as well as any native would ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFSZ95nKzko [16:21] Laney, sorry I was out for the car and I emailed will instead of you [16:21] I'm going to send you my bullets right away :) [16:22] mistake :) [16:22] hikiko: I guess you can just paste them here [16:22] indeed [16:22] is the car fixed? [16:22] no :/ the damage is much worse than I thought [16:22] they fixed the glass [16:23] but I have to leave it for repair on monday [16:23] for the door [16:23] and I had to go to the police station etc a couple of times [16:23] anyway: [16:23] * Ezoom: i fixed most of the code for the damaging but a few parts that are rendered by nux are still problematic: although now they appear at the right size they have delays at rendering and I debug this part. [16:23] EOF [16:24] that's my bullet, sorry it's short I had a sick leave and then swapped 2 days for the car... [16:24] thanks === qengho_ is now known as qengho === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:24] Trevinho: heya, do you know if there's anything we can do to help here? https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/465#issuecomment-183527458 [18:24] all my electron apps send dialogs instead of notifications [18:25] * Trevinho was just playing with electron right now... good moment :-D [18:25] jcastro: checking... [18:25] yeah I saw you comment on a bug so I was like, maybe he can help [18:26] * larsu giggles [18:26] we should just drop those pesky dialogs... [18:27] jcastro: I'm not sure... but I read somehwere that electron was using zenity in linux, could be that the case? [18:27] yeah, I believe so [18:27] is there a way to just shove all of them to notify-osd? [18:28] jcastro: so, they do show properly here.. Thus I think there's some binary calls involved [18:28] ok let me try to remove zenity [18:32] Trevinho: we're talking xenial right? [18:34] jcastro: no, I was testing this in trusty... And they work here. but looking at the bug, It looks like they check for a file in /usr/lib/... it's a weird way to do things [18:35] https://github.com/electron/brightray/pull/197/files [18:36] So I guess a workjaround could be creating a fake file like that [18:36] sudo touch /usr/lib/libunity-electron_notification_fix [18:36] is what one guy did [18:37] jcastro: eh, and does it work? [18:38] I didn't try it, I wanted to ask you first, heh [18:38] jcastro: I guess it will, looking at their code [18:40] Trevinho: works, you just need to restart the app [18:41] jcastro: ok... So yeah, my guess was right... But they really need to fix this. using XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP might be ok. Although the pull request should be fixed to consider that var a list and not a string [18:41] do you have time to leave them advice? [18:42] there's a bunch of electron apps now and it'd be swell if they worked right [18:48] jcastro: yeah, I've just commented the issue and pull req [18:48] <3 thanks [18:49] man, the amount of electron apps is more than you'd think: https://github.com/sindresorhus/awesome-electron [21:52] tedg, hey, I think indicator-datetime used to include the "current" tz in the locations no? e.g the one we get through geolocation ... do you know if that's right or if I remember wrongly? and if it used to work do you know if it's known not work anymore? [21:53] seb128: I believe that it still does, but it isn't enabled by default. [21:53] oh? why not? [21:53] by "enable" you mean it doesn't switch for you? [21:54] No, it never switched for you, it just doesn't show up. [21:54] Looking for the setting now... [21:54] k [21:54] why do we have a settings for that? [21:55] I think it was to make the "I don't want big brother watching me" people happy, but I don't remember honestly. [21:56] or "geoip doesn't know where I am and gets it wrong"? [21:56] seb128: I can't seem to find timezone settings in the current settings panel? [21:57] tedg, the map is in the datetime panel [21:57] what settings are you talking about? [21:57] Must be the gnome one. [21:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#PC [21:58] Ah, yeah, I seem to have both installed. Probably upgrade. [21:58] So yes, the setting is "Time in auto-detected location" [21:58] "Time in auto-detected location” [21:59] it's there and on [21:59] still doesn't work [21:59] I noticed last time I was in London [21:59] Hmm, it should... [21:59] and today in Salt Late City [21:59] right, doesn't work for dpm either it seems [21:59] so not only my laptop [21:59] Do you have ubuntu-geoip installed? [22:00] * tedg thought it was very late for seb128 :-) [22:00] geoclue-ubuntu-geoip? [22:00] yes [22:00] hehe [22:00] Yeah [22:00] yes, installed [22:00] can I d-feet poke it to see if it works? [22:01] Thought there was a gui tool... must have gone with the new geoclue. [22:03] Calling GetPosition seems to return 0 for me :-( [22:04] I need to run, but not sure if charles is still around and knows anything about it. [22:05] reading scrollback now [22:05] tedg, thanks, seems like there is indeed a bug there [22:06] to clear up a little crosstalk, the design spec always had this disabled by default, the change is that the code used to start it up by default and then not use it; now the code doesn't even fire up a geoclue proxy unless the user changes the setting to 'true' [22:06] but seb128 if you've got that setting turned on and it's still not working, sounds like a bug to me [22:07] charles, I've the setting to true and it seems to not work [22:07] seb128, please file a ticket set to confirmed & assigned to me, I'll take a look [22:07] thanks [22:07] seb128, thanks for the report [22:08] yw! [22:08] could be a bug in the geoclue stack, I think that's what tedg meant by GetPosition returns 0 [22:09] yeah, wouldn't surprise me. i-d has unit tests for geoclue but not integration tests [22:10] charles, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1569593 [22:10] Launchpad bug 1569593 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "Doesn't include auto-detected timezone even if settings is enabled" [Low,Confirmed] [22:10] sounds good [22:20] charles, thanks! [22:35] seb128: heya [22:35] Sweet5hark, good "evening"? [22:36] how are you? [22:37] seb128: soo, I got on a crash fixing spree with some 3-4 fixes still. final freeze is looming and the next libreoffice 5.1 release is still off. I wonder what to do about it ... [22:38] Sweet5hark, just do an upload with those few patches? [22:38] seb128: still rushing it before final or preparing it as a 0-dayish SRU for whenever there is an opportunity ... [22:38] what are the fixes? [22:39] seb128: bug 1560328, bug 1566050, bug 1569500, bug 1569589 [22:40] bug 1560328 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "BlendFrameCache isnt cleared before de-initing vital VCL parts" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1560328 [22:40] bug 1566050 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Crash on exit: ScCsvGrid leaks past vcl lifetime" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566050 [22:40] bug 1569500 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin:11:SdrObjList::GetObjCount:SdrEditView::ImpCheckToTopBtmPossible:SdrEditView::CheckPossibilities:E3dView::CheckPossibilities:sd::View::CheckPossibilities" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569500 [22:40] bug 1569589 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin:11:ImpBitmap::~ImpBitmap:Bitmap::ImplReleaseRef:Bitmap::~Bitmap:BitmapEx::~BitmapEx:std::default_delete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569589 [22:40] crashers, it feels like it should be in the release [22:41] seb128: all fixing crashers -- however most of those are not easily reproducible, so the fixes are shots into the dark. [22:41] seb128: yeah [22:41] though seeing how we are still behind just landing new n-m on friday, doing snappy changes, still having gnome-software hackfest work to land [22:41] as usual LTS .1 is going to be the really stable one [22:41] not a reason to not fix what we can for the release though [22:42] seb128: as for working in the "evening" -- I took vacation tomorrow (assuming will will sign it off when he sees it). So I wanted to get it done before. [22:43] seb128: so -- will backport the fixes and kick off a ppa build tomorrow for a start. [22:45] also some time for upstream to review the changes and catch if I messed up somewhere, though the fixes are mostly quite trivial one/two-liners ... then again lifecycle management fixes have a habit of biting back ... [22:50] Sweet5hark, enjoy the day off! don't worry if it's not signed up yet, it's fine/can be sorted out when you are back