[05:00] <hikiko> hello
[06:35] <tjaalton> Laney: ownclound-client has renamed it's libraries, debian has not. can we sync it again or not?
[08:02] <Laney> tjaalton: no, but you can upload it with B+R on the v5 name if you handle the transition
[08:02] <Laney> morning
[08:05] <tjaalton> Laney: ok, looks like there are no rdeps
[08:08] <andyrock> morning all
[09:51] <willcooke> morning all
[10:06] <willcooke> Next stop Dallas.  l8r
[12:31] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99223#c3 <- people want 5.1 backports. Any reason for not having them in libreoffice-5-1 or fresh ppas?
[12:31] <ubot5`> bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 99223 in Writer "crash when editing complex document useful with 5.05" [Normal,Needinfo]
[12:44] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, huh?
[12:45] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, of course they are there for trusty and wily, and we talked about precise
[12:46] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: ah, urgh yeah. Sorry, read it too fast, thought he was on Trusty ....
[12:46] <ricotz> the bug claims he is on Precise
[12:48] <ricotz> (I might give it another shot, but this isn't pretty)
[13:08] <mhall119> Laney: ping
[15:03] <ksamak> hey all.
[15:03] <ksamak> Trevinho: i just wanted to enquire as to that potential 0.9.12.3 release for compiz? i tough this would only take a week at best
[15:04] <ksamak> we're waiting on that to forward re-integration in debian
[15:26] <Laney> mhall119: sorry, really busy trying to crowbar gnome-software in before xenial
[15:30] <Laney> IT IS MY HONOUR TO CHAIR THE DESKTOP TEAM MEETING
[15:31]  * qengho bows
[15:31] <Laney> #startmeeting Desktop Team 2016-04-12
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 12 15:31:13 2016 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <Laney> I stole this from slangesek:
[15:31] <Laney> laney@nightingale> echo $(shuf -e desrt andyrock happyaron SweetShark qengho hikiko FJKong Laney TheMuso Trevinho robert_ancell seb128 tkamppeter willcooke attente)                                ~
[15:31] <Laney> qengho seb128 willcooke attente tkamppeter TheMuso Laney Trevinho FJKong hikiko robert_ancell happyaron desrt SweetShark andyrock
[15:31] <qengho> Ooo!
[15:32] <Laney> #topic qengho
[15:32] <andyrock> o/
[15:32] <qengho> - transitioning chromium to new build system, GN, off of GYP. - chromium snaps - zfs utilities testing.
[15:32] <qengho> EOF
[15:32] <Trevinho> \o
[15:32] <qengho> Ow, man, all on one line.
[15:33] <Laney> compression
[15:33] <qengho> Indeed. Newlines cost money.
[15:33]  * Laney skips the people that are away
[15:33] <Laney> #topic attente
[15:33] <attente> hi all
[15:34] <attente> gnome-software hackfest last week, some patches merged upstream as well as some feature requests
[15:34] <attente> trying to fix up some update-all stuff for a new release
[15:34] <Laney> are you getting the branch in shape?
[15:34] <Laney> we should update thursday latest
[15:34] <attente> Laney: trying
[15:35] <Laney> and file bugs for the remaining issues
[15:35] <Laney> then SRU those later on
[15:35] <attente> need to fix some bugs right now
[15:35] <Laney> we're going to have to release note some stuff
[15:35] <attente> maybe tonight or tomorrow for a new release
[15:35] <Laney> so whatever you know of, keep it in mind
[15:35] <Laney> like "why oh why are some apps randomly marked as third party?"
[15:36] <Laney> if you have time could you test the new dpkg plugin please?
[15:36] <attente> sure
[15:36] <Laney> hughsie split it out but I doubt it actually got tested
[15:36] <Laney> merci!
[15:36] <attente> yeah, a bit worried because cherry picking the update-all stuff doesn't work either
[15:36] <Laney> conflicts?
[15:37] <attente> fixed the conflicts, but still running into a segfault
[15:37] <Laney> mmm
[15:37] <Laney> in the worst case we hide the button again
[15:37] <attente> also some other unmentionables
[15:37] <Laney> and SRU this change
[15:37] <attente> ok
[15:37] <Laney> I saw the notification with actions too
[15:37] <Laney> should make sure that is turned off properly
[15:38] <attente> right
[15:38] <Laney> think there was a commit to check XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP there to take, or write
[15:38] <attente> he said it should be in the gs-utils
[15:39] <attente> anyways (eof)
[15:39] <Laney> thx
[15:39] <Laney> #topic tkamppeter
[15:39] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Determined what needs to be done to make it support MuPDF as PDF interpreter. Should be possible to get it done by two GSoC students.
[15:39] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Flattening filled forms is no problem with cups-filters with all three PDF interpreters thanks to rastertopdf (with all interpreters we can generate PWG Raster)
[15:39] <tkamppeter> - PWG (Printer Working Group) has released IPP Everywhere standard so that printer manufacturers can self-certify. Very important step for driverless printing.
[15:39] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2016: Student selection, request of slots at Google, mentor assignment
[15:39] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:40] <Laney> cheers
[15:40] <Laney> #topic TheMuso
[15:40] <Laney> * Finished implementing a solution for accessibility profiles to be
[15:40] <Laney> available and usable in the mate flavour.
[15:40] <Laney> * Bug fixes for Braille and alsa to fix various bugs that have been
[15:40] <Laney> reported.
[15:40] <Laney> * Spent time tracking down what I thought was a race condition in mate with
[15:40] <Laney> accessibility. Sometimes Orca wouldn't read the desktop. Turns out I had to
[15:40] <Laney> wait a bit, and all worked. Why its not responsive on first start I don't
[15:40] <Laney> know, but it does work.
[15:41] <Laney> #topic Laney
[15:41] <Laney> gnome-software sprint too
[15:41] <Laney> hopefully most stuff is going upstream
[15:41] <Laney> did some code for it like adding the usage of libapt
[15:42] <Laney> the rest of the week I will be working on this too, probably not much else before release
[15:42] <Laney> although I will try to sponsor some stuff
[15:42] <Laney> #topic Trevinho
[15:42] <Trevinho> · Fixed indicator-session race that caused "Restart..." menu item to be shown in unity
[15:42] <Trevinho> · Fixed a regression in BAMF matching for desktop-less apps
[15:42] <Trevinho> · Investigating the no-menus on fresh-boot issue (really can't reproduce, looks like a race in gtk parsing of the menu-model, since Hud works)
[15:42] <Trevinho> · Improved andyrock bamf and Hud branches to reduce memory usage, removing X properties dependencies and sharing the action menus.
[15:42] <Trevinho> · Hud tuning
[15:42] <Trevinho> EOF
[15:43] <Laney> thx
[15:43] <Laney> #topic FJKong
[15:44] <Laney> 1 libpng research to get time of frame, may need aron to help to update
[15:44] <Laney> package
[15:44] <Laney> 2 skin unpack for sogou skin testing
[15:44] <Laney> 3  review bug report from community
[15:44] <Laney> #topic hikiko
[15:45]  * Laney coughs
[15:45] <Laney> very well
[15:45] <Laney> #topic happyaron
[15:46] <happyaron> a minute..
[15:46]  * Laney is excited
[15:46] <happyaron> 1. updated: radcli, ocserv
[15:46] <happyaron> 2. review translations submitted from NUDT's team (6000+ strings)
[15:46] <happyaron> 3. libxml2 python3 build system issue follow up
[15:46] <happyaron> 4. ubuntukylin packages review&sponsoring
[15:47] <happyaron> EOF
[15:47] <Laney> that is exciting!
[15:47] <Laney> thanks!
[15:47] <Laney> #topic desrt
[15:47]  * happyaron looks at that excited Laney 
[15:47] <desrt> o hai
[15:48] <desrt> working on untangling a big mess right now.. we never considered what would happen with dbus-activatable apps if we had an app with '-' in the bus name
[15:48] <desrt> turns out we have a bunch of those and it's a mess...
[15:48] <Laney> isn't that not allowed?
[15:48] <desrt> i was going to force everyone to rename their apps because seb was away and i hope he wouldn't notice, but then i remembered that he's coming back soon
[15:48] <desrt> so instead, we're just going to say that '-' is good from now on
[15:49] <desrt> well, the problem stems from the fact that we need to convert the desktop file name into a dbus object path and object paths cannot have '-'
[15:49] <desrt> gapplication has an old trick to use '_' instead, so we're just copying that around to a few more places
[15:49] <desrt> the funny thing is that a bunch of apps list DBusActivatable=true, install service files, the whole nine yards, but have a '-' in the name, so have been silently falling back to fork()/exec() the whole time
[15:50] <Laney> haha
[15:50] <desrt> the best case is gnome-font-viewer which installs a service file that has an Exec=gnome-font-viewer --gapplication-service
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> desrt: so we are testing the fallback verrry well>
[15:50] <mhall119> Laney: when you're done crowbar-ing gnome-sofware into xenial, could you help muon do the same?
[15:50] <mhall119> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1562406
[15:50] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1562406 in muon (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to latest upstream version" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:50] <desrt> but gnome-font-viewer doesn't actually accept --gapplication-service as a valid commandline option
[15:50] <desrt> pretty hilarious
[15:51] <desrt> the only reason it worked at all is because it has '-' in the name and has been using the fallback path
[15:51] <desrt> anyway... i'll have this all sorted out by end of day, hopefully :)
[15:51] <Laney> mhall119: I'm not likely to be done ever EVER ever EVER - try pitt_i?
[15:51] <desrt> otherwise, florida was awesome
[15:51] <desrt> eof.
[15:51] <Laney> did you go to disneyworld?
[15:51] <desrt> no
[15:51] <desrt> but i went to nasa
[15:51] <desrt> and we saw the CRS-8 falcon9/dragon launch
[15:52] <desrt> first successful touchdown on the drone ship.  very exciting.
[15:52] <desrt> it was _loud_
[15:52] <Laney> hell yeah
[15:52] <Laney> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> - bumped xenial to 5.1.2 along with upstream
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> - code review (upstream)
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> - triaged and fixed bug 1566050 upstream (do we want to bump LibreOffice for this in Xenial still? AFAICS its "only" a crash on exit ...)
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> - was in Munich for TDF/LibreOffice, opportunity to meet the state secretary of the federal german ministry for economics
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:52] <ubot5`> bug 1566050 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Crash on exit: ScCsvGrid leaks past vcl lifetime" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566050
[15:53] <Laney> you schmoozer
[15:54] <Sweet5hark> aye
[15:54] <Laney> danke
[15:54] <Laney> #topic andyrock
[15:54] <andyrock> hey
[15:54] <andyrock> worked on the hud keybinding change
[15:55] <andyrock> and some reviews
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[15:55] <Laney> you html bad
[15:56] <Laney> #topic aob
[15:57] <Laney> #endmeeting
[15:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 12 15:57:10 2016 UTC.
[15:57] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-04-12-15.31.moin.txt
[15:57] <Laney> larsu: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/12/berlin-airport-spokesman-daniel-abbou-sacked-criticising-project I lol'd
[15:58] <larsu> Laney: me too :)
[15:58] <larsu> that's what you get for speaking the truth!
[15:58] <Laney> "I need someone who is going to cut the crap"
[15:59] <Laney> NO NOT THAT MUCH
[16:03] <larsu> haha
[16:06] <Sweet5hark> hrhr
[16:13] <Sweet5hark> larsu: its not even only germans anymore -- around 3:45 some turks are bashing the berlin airport as well as any native would ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFSZ95nKzko
[16:21] <hikiko> Laney, sorry I was out for the car and I emailed will instead of you
[16:21] <hikiko> I'm going to send you my bullets right away :)
[16:22] <hikiko> mistake :)
[16:22] <Trevinho> hikiko: I guess you can just paste them here
[16:22] <Laney> indeed
[16:22] <Laney> is the car fixed?
[16:22] <hikiko> no :/ the damage is much worse than I thought
[16:22] <hikiko> they fixed the glass
[16:23] <hikiko> but I have to leave it for repair on monday
[16:23] <hikiko> for the door
[16:23] <hikiko> and I had to go to the police station etc a couple of times
[16:23] <hikiko> anyway:
[16:23] <hikiko> * Ezoom: i fixed most of the code for the damaging but a few parts that are rendered by nux are still problematic: although now they appear at the right size they have delays at rendering and I debug this part.
[16:23] <hikiko> EOF
[16:24] <hikiko> that's my bullet, sorry it's short I had a sick leave and then swapped 2 days for the car...
[16:24] <Trevinho> thanks
[18:24] <jcastro> Trevinho: heya, do you know if there's anything we can do to help here? https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/465#issuecomment-183527458
[18:24] <jcastro> all my electron apps send dialogs instead of notifications
[18:25]  * Trevinho was just playing with electron right now... good moment :-D
[18:25] <Trevinho> jcastro: checking...
[18:25] <jcastro> yeah I saw you comment on a bug so I was like, maybe he can help
[18:26]  * larsu giggles
[18:26] <larsu> we should just drop those pesky dialogs...
[18:27] <Trevinho> jcastro: I'm not sure... but I read somehwere that electron was using zenity in linux, could be that the case?
[18:27] <jcastro> yeah, I believe so
[18:27] <jcastro> is there a way to just shove all of them to notify-osd?
[18:28] <Trevinho> jcastro: so, they do show properly here.. Thus I think there's some binary calls involved
[18:28] <jcastro> ok let me try to remove zenity
[18:32] <jcastro> Trevinho: we're talking xenial right?
[18:34] <Trevinho> jcastro: no, I was testing this in trusty... And they work here. but looking at the bug, It looks like they check for a file in /usr/lib/... it's a weird way to do things
[18:35] <Trevinho> https://github.com/electron/brightray/pull/197/files
[18:36] <Trevinho> So I guess a workjaround could be creating a fake file like that
[18:36] <jcastro> sudo touch /usr/lib/libunity-electron_notification_fix
[18:36] <jcastro> is what one guy did
[18:37] <Trevinho> jcastro: eh, and does it work?
[18:38] <jcastro> I didn't try it, I wanted to ask you first, heh
[18:38] <Trevinho> jcastro: I guess it will, looking at their code
[18:40] <jcastro> Trevinho: works, you just need to restart the app
[18:41] <Trevinho> jcastro: ok... So yeah, my guess was right... But they really need to fix this. using XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP might be ok. Although the pull request should be fixed to consider that var a list and not a string
[18:41] <jcastro> do you have time to leave them advice?
[18:42] <jcastro> there's a bunch of electron apps now and it'd be swell if they worked right
[18:48] <Trevinho> jcastro: yeah, I've just commented the issue and pull req
[18:48] <jcastro> <3 thanks
[18:49] <jcastro> man, the amount of electron apps is more than you'd think: https://github.com/sindresorhus/awesome-electron
[21:52] <seb128> tedg, hey, I think indicator-datetime used to include the "current" tz in the locations no? e.g the one we get through geolocation ... do you know if that's right or if I remember wrongly? and if it used to work do you know if it's known not work anymore?
[21:53] <tedg> seb128: I believe that it still does, but it isn't enabled by default.
[21:53] <seb128> oh? why not?
[21:53] <seb128> by "enable" you mean it doesn't switch for you?
[21:54] <tedg> No, it never switched for you, it just doesn't show up.
[21:54] <tedg> Looking for the setting now...
[21:54] <seb128> k
[21:54] <seb128> why do we have a settings for that?
[21:55] <tedg> I think it was to make the "I don't want big brother watching me" people happy, but I don't remember honestly.
[21:56] <sarnold> or "geoip doesn't know where I am and gets it wrong"?
[21:56] <tedg> seb128: I can't seem to find timezone settings in the current settings panel?
[21:57] <seb128> tedg, the map is in the datetime panel
[21:57] <seb128> what settings are you talking about?
[21:57] <tedg> Must be the gnome one.
[21:58] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#PC
[21:58] <tedg> Ah, yeah, I seem to have both installed. Probably upgrade.
[21:58] <tedg> So yes, the setting is "Time in auto-detected location"
[21:58] <seb128> "Time in auto-detected location”
[21:59] <seb128> it's there and on
[21:59] <seb128> still doesn't work
[21:59] <seb128> I noticed last time I was in London
[21:59] <tedg> Hmm, it should...
[21:59] <seb128> and today in Salt Late City
[21:59] <seb128> right, doesn't work for dpm either it seems
[21:59] <seb128> so not only my laptop
[21:59] <tedg> Do you have ubuntu-geoip installed?
[22:00]  * tedg thought it was very late for seb128 :-)
[22:00] <seb128> geoclue-ubuntu-geoip?
[22:00] <seb128> yes
[22:00] <seb128> hehe
[22:00] <tedg> Yeah
[22:00] <seb128> yes, installed
[22:00] <seb128> can I d-feet poke it to see if it works?
[22:01] <tedg> Thought there was a gui tool... must have gone with the new geoclue.
[22:03] <tedg> Calling GetPosition seems to return 0 for me :-(
[22:04] <tedg> I need to run, but not sure if charles is still around and knows anything about it.
[22:05] <charles> reading scrollback now
[22:05] <seb128> tedg, thanks, seems like there is indeed a bug there
[22:06] <charles> to clear up a little crosstalk, the design spec always had this disabled by default, the change is that the code used to start it up by default and then not use it; now the code doesn't even fire up a geoclue proxy unless the user changes the setting to 'true'
[22:06] <charles> but seb128 if you've got that setting turned on and it's still not working, sounds like a bug to me
[22:07] <seb128> charles, I've the setting to true and it seems to not work
[22:07] <charles> seb128, please file a ticket set to confirmed & assigned to me, I'll take a look
[22:07] <seb128> thanks
[22:07] <charles> seb128, thanks for the report
[22:08] <seb128> yw!
[22:08] <seb128> could be a bug in the geoclue stack, I think that's what tedg meant by GetPosition returns 0
[22:09] <charles> yeah, wouldn't surprise me. i-d has unit tests for geoclue but not integration tests
[22:10] <seb128> charles, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1569593
[22:10] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1569593 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "Doesn't include auto-detected timezone even if settings is enabled" [Low,Confirmed]
[22:10] <charles> sounds good
[22:20] <seb128> charles, thanks!
[22:35] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heya
[22:35] <seb128> Sweet5hark, good "evening"?
[22:36] <seb128> how are you?
[22:37] <Sweet5hark> seb128: soo, I got on a crash fixing spree with some 3-4 fixes still. final freeze is looming and the next libreoffice 5.1 release is still off. I wonder what to do about it ...
[22:38] <seb128> Sweet5hark, just do an upload with those few patches?
[22:38] <Sweet5hark> seb128: still rushing it before final or preparing it as a 0-dayish SRU for whenever there is an opportunity ...
[22:38] <seb128> what are the fixes?
[22:39] <Sweet5hark> seb128: bug 1560328, bug 1566050, bug 1569500, bug 1569589
[22:40] <ubot5`> bug 1560328 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "BlendFrameCache isnt cleared before de-initing vital VCL parts" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1560328
[22:40] <ubot5`> bug 1566050 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Crash on exit: ScCsvGrid leaks past vcl lifetime" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566050
[22:40] <ubot5`> bug 1569500 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin:11:SdrObjList::GetObjCount:SdrEditView::ImpCheckToTopBtmPossible:SdrEditView::CheckPossibilities:E3dView::CheckPossibilities:sd::View::CheckPossibilities" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569500
[22:40] <ubot5`> bug 1569589 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin:11:ImpBitmap::~ImpBitmap:Bitmap::ImplReleaseRef:Bitmap::~Bitmap:BitmapEx::~BitmapEx:std::default_delete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569589
[22:40] <seb128> crashers, it feels like it should be in the release
[22:41] <Sweet5hark> seb128: all fixing crashers -- however most of those are not easily reproducible, so the fixes are shots into the dark.
[22:41] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah
[22:41] <seb128> though seeing how we are still behind just landing new n-m on friday, doing snappy changes, still having gnome-software hackfest work to land
[22:41] <seb128> as usual LTS .1 is going to be the really stable one
[22:41] <seb128> not a reason to not fix what we can for the release though
[22:42] <Sweet5hark> seb128: as for working in the "evening" -- I took vacation tomorrow (assuming will will sign it off when he sees it). So I wanted to get it done before.
[22:43] <Sweet5hark> seb128: so -- will backport the fixes and kick off a ppa build tomorrow for a start.
[22:45] <Sweet5hark> also some time for upstream to review the changes and catch if I messed up somewhere, though the fixes are mostly quite trivial one/two-liners ... then again lifecycle management fixes have a habit of biting back ...
[22:50] <seb128> Sweet5hark, enjoy the day off! don't worry if it's not signed up yet, it's fine/can be sorted out when you are back