[02:46] <mappps> hi all
[02:49] <daftykins> \o
[02:49] <daftykins> mornin' sir
[03:15] <ali1234> diddledan "a kernel module which is distributed separate from the kernel which interacts with the kernel via defined apis" - this does not exist, there is no defined API for kernel modules
[03:16] <diddledan> then how do they talk to the kernel?
[03:16] <ali1234> with an unstable (undefined) ABI
[03:17] <ali1234> and the difference between your two examples is that the linux licence actually has a specific exception for the latter
[03:17] <diddledan> oic
[03:18] <ali1234> http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/gpl_modules.html
[03:19] <ali1234> linus calls it a "clarification"
[03:19] <ali1234> but whatever
[07:47] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:16] <davmor2> morning all
[08:40] <foobarry> my xbox still keeps locking up few times in the first hour
[08:40] <foobarry> then i get an hour and half of uninterrupted gameplay until bedtime
[08:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Equal Pay Day! 😃
[08:56] <popey> foobarry: overheating?
[08:57] <foobarry> popey: i think so - https://goo.gl/photos/gYXaY62vjx3ivyEbA
[08:57] <foobarry> often get this type of freeze
[08:57] <foobarry> i have it positioned vertically
[08:57] <popey> video corruption also looks like overheating or the gpu thermal paste going bad
[08:58] <foobarry> i'm gonna open it up to inspect for dust, although the fans seem to spin
[08:58] <foobarry> person i bought it off must have experienced this too but didn't tell me :S
[08:59] <popey> seems like a reasonable conclusion
[09:00] <foobarry> also my far cry 3 disk from cex is scratched and wont play or install :(
[09:00]  * foobarry cry
[09:01] <zmoylan-pi> except for the part were it becomes more reliable after a time.  over heating would be it works fine at first and then fails...
[09:02] <zmoylan-pi> ...unless there is some part that is expanding/warming up with the heat and then works, a fan or a heat sink
[09:02] <popey> I bought and second hand original xbox 360 some years ago. Wifey bought me a kinect. plugged it in and it fragged the xbox
[09:02] <popey> completely irreversably broke the xbox
[09:03] <popey> phoned microsoft, they said it was known and there was a repair/replace programme but that date had passed
[09:04] <zmoylan-pi> that was... nice of them
[09:04] <foobarry> heh
[09:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgLzJm83bZ8 this is what I'm thinking cause everyone wins when everything is equal :)
[09:07] <foobarry> however during the time i have moved it a few times
[09:07] <foobarry> i am plugged direct into wall socket, and last night had it next to the open window
[09:07] <foobarry> but 2 nights in a row the freezes are more common in first hour then not at all
[09:08] <foobarry> the power supply brick is not getting hot
[09:08] <zmoylan-pi> the really good thing about consoles is that there are so many of them that you could try searching for specific symptoms.  crashing for first hour etc.
[09:09] <zmoylan-pi> have you recently turned off the heating as summer... approaches... room it's in colder than previously?
[09:10] <foobarry> i only just acquired the console
[09:10] <foobarry> but its in a cool room
[09:11] <foobarry> the hard drive has been formatted and checked
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> i can see mapps's gaff from here... :-) https://twitter.com/Astro_Jeff/status/719565672267784192/photo/1
[10:09] <mapps> haha
[10:10] <mapps> my little palace;)
[10:19] <diddledan> *yawn*
[10:19] <diddledan> I need sleep
[10:19] <diddledan> stayed up all last night coding on my website
[10:20] <diddledan> tis looking nicely purdy now :-)
[10:20] <diddledan> not mobile-optimised yet tho
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> especially now that you added the animated under construction gifs... :-P
[10:22] <diddledan> lol
[10:23] <diddledan> you mean rows of these? http://www.11points.com/images/animatedgifs/underconstruction.gif
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> a web site wasn't a real site till it had a few of those... :-)
[10:35] <Wobbo> Hi, I am wondering if anyone knows how the change app "BirdFont" default setting font. Now I can't read anything, see the url: http://oi67.tinypic.com/1621wxt.jpg
[10:35] <Wobbo> Or, is there any other way to get 2 fonts in one font. The problem is that i want the Ubuntu font, it is great! But,... is has no Arabic. So, I have found a nice one. So, how do I get them in one so it can be used on my website.
[10:41] <Wobbo> The reason by i want them together is that the Arabic text contains "normal" numbers, and the numbers from the Arabic fonts are terrible. And stuff like a person name in a Arabic sentence will look weird.
[10:41] <Wobbo> I hope someone can help me. :'(  :D
[10:44] <davmor2> Wobbo: you might be better off asking on #ubuntu if someone here is unable to help, that channel is the general help channel for ubuntu
[10:45] <davmor2> But if it is just for a website I think you can set the font as you go in tags
[10:53] <Wobbo> Well, I only have Ubuntu, and "BirdFont" is in the ubuntu software list.
[10:54] <Wobbo> The problem is that the designer necessarily want those two fonts.
[16:37] <sebsebseb> 1 2 3 4
[16:37] <sebsebseb> 5 6 7 8 9 10
[16:39] <diddledan> 7 minutes till facebook's f8 keynote: https://www.fbf8.com/
[16:41] <bashrc> is zuck going to proclaim universal enslavement?
[16:41] <bashrc> "you're all in my database now"
[16:41] <zmoylan-pi> facebook henceforth will have a 100 character limit to beat twitter...
[16:41] <sebsebseb> diddledan: oh what's that?
[16:42] <bashrc> battle of the character limits
[16:42] <diddledan> sebsebseb: facebook developer conference
[16:42] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I'll injest your data!
[16:42] <sebsebseb> diddledan: hmm zuckerburg will be talking in a few minutes?
[16:42] <bashrc> why not go up to 101 though?
[16:42] <diddledan> bashrc: too
[16:42] <bashrc> one longer
[16:43] <diddledan> in soviet russia, data injests you
[16:47] <zmoylan-pi> all facebook passwords will be reset to whatever your favourite cheese is. they have learned this from all the photos that have been uploaded...
[16:49] <sebsebseb> diddledan: looks like I am watching that now then live stremae
[16:49]  * diddledan refrains from mentioning the perverted response to that
[16:49] <sebsebseb> diddledan: your fault
[16:50] <sebsebseb> diddledan: I don't even ike Facebook
[16:50] <diddledan> \o/
[16:50] <sebsebseb> so they got enough money to have a like a proper host
[16:50] <sebsebseb> h eh
[16:53] <diddledan> interesting the way they're doing it like a news broadcast
[16:54] <sebsebseb> diddledan: indeed
[16:54] <sebsebseb> diddledan: but that's what money gets them aye?
[16:55] <diddledan> are we going to leverage our shared synergies to capitalise on market penetration?
[16:56] <diddledan> they killed his voice
[16:56] <diddledan> oh that's my speaker system
[16:56] <sebsebseb> diddledan: whos?
[16:56] <sebsebseb> yeah it's fine for me
[16:56] <diddledan> my speakers have a powersave mode and it decided to turn itself off
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> it's a google plot...
[16:57] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: yeah they want him using Google +
[16:57] <diddledan> interviews with randoms is always painful
[16:57] <sebsebseb> diddledan: tehy aren't completly random?
[16:58] <bashrc> pseudo random
[16:58] <diddledan> still painful
[16:58] <sebsebseb> a few Africans so far
[16:58] <diddledan> PRNG
[16:58] <sebsebseb> shame they aren't working on open source?
[16:58] <diddledan> aye
[16:58] <diddledan> OSS FTW
[16:59]  * diddledan shoves his open source in your face
[16:59] <sebsebseb> indeed
[16:59] <sebsebseb> indeed OSS FTW
[16:59]  * sebsebseb smacks diddledan around with Ubuntu on WIndows 10
[16:59] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu for bash that is
[17:00] <davmor2> diddledan: you shouldn't do that with open soars they might be infected
[17:00] <diddledan> lol
[17:00] <diddledan> sores*
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> only windows gets viruses...
[17:00] <davmor2> diddledan: it was 33/33/33
[17:00] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: STIs
[17:01] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: ubuntu on windows you have to be more careful now ;)
[17:01] <diddledan> you always need to wear a raincoat
[17:01] <diddledan> it's teh zuck!
[17:02] <sebsebseb> diddledan: yep your hero
[17:02] <sebsebseb> after Steve Ballmer
[17:02] <diddledan> no, satya nadella
[17:02] <sebsebseb> diddledan: yeah, but you prefer the old one
[17:03] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs
[17:03] <sebsebseb> whats that link?
[17:05] <diddledan> ooh, politicals
[17:05] <sebsebseb> yeah
[17:07] <diddledan> he's got better at his presentations
[17:08] <diddledan> he was really awkward when FaceBook first started
[17:08] <sebsebseb> diddledan: I have never seen him speak bbefore
[17:08] <sebsebseb> diddledan: public speaking is awesome, I do some of that :)
[17:09] <sebsebseb> April 5th 1985 his brthday? or just steps
[17:12] <sebsebseb> diddledan: stuff theya re open sourceing
[17:12] <sebsebseb> diddledan: only stuff that dons't matter much
[17:12] <diddledan> dammit, my speakers just turned off again
[17:13] <sebsebseb> diddledan: oh that sucks
[17:13] <sebsebseb> my sound just went down aearlier
[17:13] <sebsebseb> when II reid to volume
[17:13] <diddledan> I've turned the volume up a bit
[17:13] <sebsebseb> I can't get up volume stuff at hte moment
[17:13] <sebsebseb> Unity uh
[17:13] <sebsebseb> diddledan: are you going to watch this for a few hours now :d
[17:13] <diddledan> yup
[17:13] <sebsebseb> really?
[17:14] <sebsebseb> why?
[17:14] <diddledan> because I'm a developer
[17:14] <sebsebseb> for Facebook?
[17:15] <diddledan> I'm a webdev, and Facebook is a large requirement for clients to interface with
[17:15] <sebsebseb> oh
[17:19] <diddledan> everyone's working on AI these days
[17:19] <diddledan> everyone big I mean - facebook, microsoft, googlie, and apple
[17:19] <diddledan> and amazon too
[17:19] <sebsebseb> conecting sites to Facebook stuff?
[17:19] <zmoylan-pi> have people not learned from a 100 years of sci fi...
[17:19] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: you mean having a big evil corporation?
[17:19] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: in control of too much
[17:19] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: aye, I for one welcome our new robot overlords
[17:20] <diddledan> Facebook built a plane
[17:21] <sebsebseb> yeah seems so
[17:21] <diddledan> they're doing statellites too
[17:21] <sebsebseb> yep to spy on you
[17:21] <sebsebseb> in particular
[17:22] <sebsebseb> hmm so Facebook is more than just a s tupid soical netowrking si social networking site now
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> gotta expand or you die
[17:25] <diddledan> I might die from expansion
[17:25] <sebsebseb> Google sure  did
[17:26] <sebsebseb> look at Google now
[17:26] <zmoylan-pi> google should buy yahoo and shut it down six months later.  they really know how to shut down an acquisition... :-)
[17:27] <sebsebseb> who did Google shut down already?
[17:30] <diddledan> the latest one was a ompany that nest bought just before google bought nest
[17:32] <sebsebseb> oh lucky them
[17:32] <sebsebseb> gear v r and free samsung phone
[17:34] <diddledan> no announcements there
[17:34] <sebsebseb> what as in you knew about all that
[17:34] <sebsebseb> already?
[17:34] <diddledan> there wasn't really any products announced I mean
[17:34] <diddledan> just telling us about the long-term plan rather than product announcements
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> does the future involve a volcano and a white cat?
[17:39] <sebsebseb> account kit hmm
[17:39] <sebsebseb> whatever that is
[17:49] <sebsebseb> diddledan: are you stil watching?
[17:49] <diddledan> yup
[17:49] <sebsebseb> diddledan: you want some free basics :d
[17:51] <diddledan> nope
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> you'd just have to sell your soul to zuck
[17:51] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: they want to take over the owrld
[17:51] <sebsebseb> are you watching?
[17:51] <sebsebseb> world above
[17:52] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: but then he'd be a soulless muppet like you ;)
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> i am not soulless...
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> i'm a hoopy frood who knows were my towel is...
[17:52] <davmor2> if you sold your soul you must be :D
[17:56] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: You're towel has been washed on a boil wash though, its now a flannel
[17:58] <zmoylan-pi> i use proper steel wool towel... combat ready... :-)
[18:06]  * zmoylan-pi watches darmok and jalad at tanagra...
[18:11] <sebsebseb> whats on that now
[18:11] <sebsebseb> is intesting
[18:30] <sebsebseb> diddledan: you still watching?
[18:37] <sebsebseb> diddledan: that's better all off now ;) as of a little while ago, oh and I would have to acstaully log into Facebook to continue watching it seems
[18:43] <terran> hello?
[18:44] <sebsebseb> terran: hi
[18:44] <terran> stupid question, but can someone tell me how to get a desktop terminal command app to run multiple commands?
[18:44] <terran> like, in series
[18:47] <Myrtti> depends if you want it to stop if any of the chain fails
[18:48] <terran> No, I don't mind
[18:48] <terran> it is only 3 commands
[18:49] <terran> to cd, build, and mono . A shortcut for a program I want
[18:49] <terran> just dont know how to get the app to run more than one command
[18:52] <Myrtti> youA; B    Run A and then B, regardless of success of A
[18:52] <Myrtti> A && B  Run B if A succeeded
[18:52] <Myrtti> A || B  Run B if A failed
[18:52] <Myrtti> so pick between ;, && and ||
[18:53] <Myrtti> I personally prefer &&
[18:55] <terran> I get "there was an error launching the app"
[18:55] <terran> does it work with 3?
[19:00] <terran> wait, do I clude all commands after "Exex=" or make secondary "exec="'s with the &&'s?
[19:20] <Myrtti> I'd use ; then
[19:20] <Emersont1> Hi
[19:34] <bittin> got a shirt from facebook today: http://imgur.com/a/6MZuP
[19:36] <zmoylan-pi> your first suspicion was when it asked you to sign in... :-P
[19:42] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: it didn't for key note
[19:43] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: but after when re loading etc it did
[20:17] <mapps> hi all
[20:40] <daftykins> \o
[20:49]  * sebsebseb feels a bit disapoinated as a techi with someone from his family
[20:49] <daftykins> what did they do?
[20:50] <sebsebseb> daftykins: lose their phone about three weeks ago, but here's the thing as far as I know they also haven't really gone looking around for it properly or at all really
[20:50] <sebsebseb> unlike what we would do
[20:50] <sebsebseb> so bought a new phone uisng some Tesco phones for cheap recently though instead.  in a way could do with a slight upgrade, but not really was only using it for calls and texsta a 2011 phone would stil be fine for that
[20:51] <sebsebseb> daftykins: it's just a item like a microwave I guess, something goes wrong buy a new one
[20:51] <sebsebseb> where as for people like us it would be more like, ah my phone is gone with my data and my uh ah
[20:52] <sebsebseb> that phone might have been lost in a public place to I don't know
[20:52] <sebsebseb> don't think any bad data on it
[20:53] <daftykins> i'm often saddened by the lack of care for electronics in the first instance :)
[20:53] <daftykins> my items tend to go obsolete, they don't get damaged :D
[20:53] <sebsebseb> popey: apparnatly no convergence for the Mx 4 at all or oficaly via Canonical, just read something a lilttle while ago on omgubuntu
[20:54] <sebsebseb> daftykins: the lack of care for eletronics in the first place uhmm yeah I seen that before from a much younger little brother too, taking apart his phone into bits, and then throwing it into the bin eventually
[20:54] <sebsebseb> daftykins: since there were a few issues with the Android implemntation from that make or whatever it was
[20:54] <sebsebseb> it was a cheap phone that one, but hmm
[20:55] <sebsebseb> daftykins: I intend to keep the devices I have untill I di e or something like that
[20:55] <sebsebseb> not reccyle a phone since it's three years old or something or bin it, like a lot of people
[20:56] <sebsebseb> daftykins: only device I have properly damaged was the ipad, and some old lap top or two that weren't fully mine anyway
[20:56] <sebsebseb> the computers when a kid or teenager actsaully
[20:56] <sebsebseb> the ipad since a hard titled floor and distracting dogs
[20:56] <sebsebseb> for the main damage
[20:57] <sebsebseb> daftykins: its sad really the society we have,  consumerism
[20:57] <daftykins> *nod*
[20:57] <sebsebseb> daftykins: things get or new, get a new one
[20:57] <sebsebseb> no I buy new devices but with good reason :)
[20:57] <sebsebseb> techi reasons :)
[20:57] <sebsebseb> and then as I said I intend to keep those devices for many many many eyars as well so
[20:58] <sebsebseb> I want to look back at say 2015 2016 in say 10 years and be lilke ah yes I bought duh and duh then
[20:58] <sebsebseb> daftykins: it's a bit rubbish the idea a phone only is meant to last tsay about two years anyway, then buy a new one on a contract or whatever
[21:00] <daftykins> that's what is really sad about this smartphone time we live in, so many just getting abandoned for OS support and due to high-profile security woes, essentially becoming unsafe to use
[21:00] <sebsebseb> security woes
[21:00] <sebsebseb> the manufactuer not supporting it anymore you mean?
[21:00] <daftykins> well for example android has had many issues where even a malformed MMS (not that i've met anyone that uses that :D ) can take over a device
[21:01] <sebsebseb> daftykins: looks like I'll look at her new phone later but hm
[21:01] <sebsebseb> what's the MMS?
[21:01] <daftykins> picture messaging
[21:01] <sebsebseb> and yes if there is a certain bug in Android or an implemntatoin,  the phone can end up in the bin, since something didn't quite work right, and the owener of the device is to non technical to know why etc
[21:01] <sebsebseb> so the blame Android or the manufacture or both etc
[21:02] <daftykins> bit of both really, the manufacturers eventually abandon devices since naturally times move on
[21:02] <sebsebseb> but  really any  of todays smart phones should probably be fine as a working device for well five or more years really
[21:02] <daftykins> you'd hope so, i tend to find folks have them grinding to a halt far sooner though
[21:02] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yeah they want people buying the latest
[21:03] <sebsebseb> and a lot of manufactures release a new phone at least once a year
[21:03] <daftykins> one client of mine has ditched a relatively recent Samsung Galaxy S5 because it 'was slow to open contacts'
[21:03] <sebsebseb> daftykins: uh that's a bit silly
[21:03] <daftykins> didn't even ask about sorting it, he went out and bought a Microsoft phone :(
[21:03] <sebsebseb> oh dear
[21:03] <sebsebseb> yeah I am not sure what my Mum has bought yet
[21:03] <sebsebseb> probably  some Samsung phone or something it was a big Tesco
[21:03] <sebsebseb> some sort of cheap ANdroid phone for 60 pounds
[21:03] <daftykins> ouch :)
[21:04] <sebsebseb> well I assume it was Android!
[21:04] <daftykins> sounds quite disposable
[21:04] <daftykins> back shortly anywho, it's Patch Tuesday in Microsoft land
[21:04] <sebsebseb> daftykins: well her last one was from a Tesco and it was a Huwaii and it lasted fine the last few years untill recently when it's lost hmm
[21:04] <sebsebseb> daftykins: ha ha ha of course your a WIndows tech guy etc, you got to keep up to date with that then?
[21:07] <m0nkey_> Evening
[21:16] <daftykins> no different than any OS patching
[21:17] <daftykins> i'm actually typing from ubuntu server though, so i have regular use and exposure to the 'big 3'
[21:57] <Azelphur> ali1234: You know about USB and things, I had a pretty cool idea wonder what you'd think of it. Reckon I could get some pi-like board with USB3, use USB gadget to emulate a mass storage device, and have the storage backed by a NAS/SMB share?
[21:57] <Azelphur> So for hardware that is only expandable by USB drives (eg xboxes, DVRs, ...) I could expand their storage using a NAS with a raid array
[22:06] <daftykins> you'd be better off buying a WD enclosure that takes two disks (RAID-able) and has a USB connection
[22:06] <daftykins> http://randomnerds.com/psn-download-speed-too-slow-get-a-static-ip-address/ <-- a friend found this, it's the most cringeworthy piece of tech writing i think i've ever seen
[22:07] <Azelphur> daftykins: but I already have a NAS with 12 drive bays and a 4x5TB RAID5 array
[22:08] <daftykins> ok, don't think that's going to be easy if even possible
[22:08] <daftykins> too many issues i can see
[22:08] <Azelphur> daftykins: ack, terrible
[22:09] <daftykins> also, Pi IO is terrible :)
[22:09] <Azelphur> daftykins: I dunno, I spotted this page, it actually makes it look really simple: http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/file_storage.html
[22:09] <Azelphur> yea, hence pi-like board with USB3 rather than the pi itself
[22:11] <daftykins> oh ok i sort of read it as an accessory to provide that USB 3.0
[22:12] <daftykins> USB mass storage is already quite redundant for more modern devices, i've been buying enclosures with UASP support (USB Attached SCSI Protocol) which lets devices make use of e.g. SSDs or just simply make faster use of mechanical disks without the never-designed-for-this-type-of-use hangups of mass storage
[22:12] <daftykins> not that UASP will help when it's not a real disk behind it you'd make use of - due to the abstraction plan
[22:18] <daftykins> bbs
[22:20] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, dunno it's interesting as I say, in theory one could set up a USB gadget like that, and just have the path be a mounted network share, then you have "unlimited" expandable storage for the price of a pi-like board
[22:22] <daftykins> ignoring any device addressing limitations
[22:22] <daftykins> just restarting brb
[22:31] <velusunivers-sys> popey, you awake and about?
[22:31] <popey> yup
[22:32] <velusunivers-sys> any news on ogg camp?
[22:32] <popey> no. various people are discussing it, but no decisions
[22:33] <velusunivers-sys> im on the list but not hearing anything
[22:34] <popey> you know what i know then
[22:34] <velusunivers-sys> ok