[03:29] <ahoneybun> Happy Birthday ovidiu-florin !
[07:12] <yofel> ovidiu-florin / ovidiuflorin: Happy Birthday!
[07:15] <valorie> yofel: sorry to hear that you've not been feeling well
[07:15] <valorie> feel better soon
[07:15] <yofel> thanks :)
 http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-to-offer-users-newer-software-versions-via-snaps-502879.shtml
 It is pretty interesting tbh.
[08:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:15] <valorie> @marcinsagol that is very interesting
[08:16] <valorie> however, this is *important* and I have not seen it discussed here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2016-April/001179.html
[08:16] <valorie> probably one of the reasons clivejo's FFE has been ignored....
[08:37] <yofel> valorie: that is mostly relevant to "main", as we're mostly universe and thus have universe enabled by default there's not much impact on us
[08:37] <yofel> (other than other people being busy)
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:56] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[10:56] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[11:09] <soee> vip: ping
[11:09] <vip> pong, soee
[11:09] <soee> vip: do you have copy of this file you removed to have short login time 
[11:10] <vip> soee: yup
[11:10] <soee> vip: could you do some test as David asked in comment to bug report ?
[11:11] <soee> so bring it back - confirm teh login time is long, then execute the commands he posted and probable relogin i think
[11:11] <soee> to check if the loading time has chnaged to short one
[11:12] <soee> i'll do it myself but later at home - now i am at work
[11:12] <vip> soee: i'll do it later
[11:13] <clivejo> soee: you still having long login times?
[11:15] <clivejo> has anyone looked into snaps?
[11:15] <soee> clivejo: no, the long time can be fixed as i mentioned here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360777
[11:15] <soee> clivejo: no i havent tried snaps yet
[12:14] <BluesKaj> 20 sewcs longer, heh...it takes over 2mins to get plymouth to finish, then I hv=ave to use the vt/tty to login since sddm doesn't load , then I have to run startx to load the desktop, a total time of close to 3mins from bootup.
[12:19] <soee> debug it :D
[12:19] <soee> than we can find some workaround
[12:21] <soee> meh
[12:22] <soee> does the: #cat -n30 some/file.txt works for you ?
[12:48] <yofel> it definitely shouldn't take 2 minutes... even my old desktop with classic bios, 2 additional firmwares, a grub promt and half a dozen disks that need to be initialized takes about a minute to get to sddm
[12:48] <yofel> does systemd-analyze say something interesting?
[13:12] <marco-parillo> I just saw the sudo factoid on #kubuntu. gksudo might be for older releases, but not kdesudo, right?
[13:12] <marco-parillo> !sudo
[13:12] <marco-parillo> or is pkexec part of systemd?
[13:12] <marco-parillo> !pkexec
 thank you all
 ubottu send everyone a beer
 !sudo
 ubottu ignores me....
 it's rasist against telegram people
 actually its zenafobic
[13:14] <mamarley> ovidiuflorin: The reason is because in IRC the message is prefixed with the sender's name, so the bot does not see the command at the beginning of the message.
[13:15] <mamarley> It is not xenophobic.
 xenophobic?
 and that
[13:53] <BluesKaj> is there an alternative to sddm ? it just won';t load and the logs don't show any fails 
 Does sddm write anything to the SystemD Journal ?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Sick_Rimmit, do you mean the sddm log in /var/log, if so, no that log is empty, but I'll check for systemd journal
 Yes I was thinking journalctl -xe
 just an idea
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Sick_Rimmit, what's the path for that file ?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> locate and find don't see it 
[14:04] <BluesKaj> turned baloo on 
[14:12] <yofel> BluesKaj: lightdm should work as well
[14:12] <yofel> the Xorg log might also tell something
 sorry BluesKaj - its a SystemD command, just type it at the command line and you;ll get the SystemD logs
 hmmm
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2271469
 Of course I'm using Centos at work, and 14.04 on my desktop
 So I don't have journalctl
 Doh!
 But I wonder if it's there in 15.10, and it may help with your sddm log issue
 sorry if it turns out to be a Red Herring
[14:59] <yofel> nah, 15.10 uses a journal, just needs sudo to see the system journal
 OK thanks
[15:23] <Riddell> patch for ubiquity https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1569965
[16:02] <soee> https://plus.google.com/101588423559652288894/posts/iVYEvcMxgAr :)
[17:08] <mamarley> soee: That's rather tempting...
[17:09] <soee> indeed :D
[17:13] <mamarley> It is kind of disappointing that they are only doing LTS though, since I wouldn't want to be stuck using 2-year-old versions of everything else…
[17:13] <soee> well true :/ for example there is new kernel already  think
[17:13] <soee> but with snapy you can install new versions of various packages o think :)
[17:18] <mamarley> I had actually tried to add that repository to a Xenial VM back before they actually started making Xenial packages, but I couldn't get it to work because of some dependency problem related to the fact that the packages still had version number 5.5.4 (which was less than the official Kubuntu packages) but still contained 5.6.0.
[17:22] <soee> ill try to install it later maybe on top ox my Xenial ~.~
[17:23] <mamarley> It does feel kind of traitorous though…
[17:43] <soee> Android N Developer Preview 2, out today
[17:44] <soee> yay, and my S5 doesn't have 6.0 yet ..
[17:44] <soee> fuuu Samsung and T-mobile :/
[17:45] <mamarley> soee: Knowing you and how you have to always be running the latest stuff, I'm surprised you didn't get a Nexus device.
[17:45] <soee> it was  tempting but i think im not sure if it was in T-mobile offer back then
[17:45] <vip> or unlock it and put cm
[17:45] <clivejo> soee: mine does :P
[17:46] <soee> :<
[17:46] <clivejo> CM13
[17:46] <soee> vip: might be to many problems
[17:46] <soee> and it should land soon in updates https://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones-tablets-devices/software-updates#tmoSUPDocTitle
[17:47] <clivejo> only thing I miss is the finger print scanner
[17:47] <soee> for S6 was released liek 3 days ago
[17:47] <clivejo> but I wont be buying any more Samsung products
[17:47] <soee> +1
[17:48] <clivejo> too much bloatware and not enough OSS support
[17:49] <clivejo> maybe get Kubuntu running in a docker container :)
[17:54] <clivejo> ahoneybun: have you tried plasma mobile on your Ubuntu phone?
[18:02] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yjnNV6zcBk
[18:02] <clivejo> no idea what hes saying, but it looks cool
[18:34] <soee> :D
[18:34] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg-AztmOyz0
[18:36] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmlZv-UA2zg&nohtml5=False
[18:47] <ahoneybun> clivejo, no? I had the Nexus 4 which was not supported by Plasma Mobile
[18:47] <ahoneybun> I have a OnePlus One which is but it is my main driver
[18:47] <clivejo> awwww
[18:52] <clivejo> did I hear somewhere you can run it in a docker container on any CM kernel?
[20:06] <soee> Google Chrome 50 Released With Wayland Support
[20:20] <clivejo> how is wayland coming along?
[20:47]  * sick_rimmit sighs a relief a laptop comes back to life
[20:49] <valorie> sick_rimmit: what happened with your lappie?
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> The internal fan gave out, so I ordered one from Hong Kong
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> Tonight the fan finally gave in
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> So lappie in bits to put new fan in
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> I just heard the new fan spin up so I am happy boy
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> Good news
[20:51] <sick_rimmit> I have email from Carlo, he is going to prepare release tag for Muon, and libqapt
[20:51] <sick_rimmit> He reckons couple of days to sort it
[21:05] <valorie> weeeeeeeeeee!
[21:06] <valorie> that's great news, sick_rimmit
[21:06] <valorie> is Carlo taking over maintainership, or just releasing?
[21:08] <clivejo> he said he wanted to develop it further, maybe a new QML interface
[21:09] <valorie> that would be cool
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> Carlo, Ovidiu and I are going to maintain Muon
[21:11] <valorie> that's a nice team, there
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> Which means Ovidiu and me break stuff, and Carlo fixes it
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> lol
[21:11] <valorie> rofl
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> Once I figure out what the hell is going on with KDE's project management stuff
[21:11] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: so whats the ETA on snappy in Muon?
[21:12] <sick_rimmit> ha ha, 
[21:12] <valorie> seems like discover would be a more natural fit for that stuff, but it's a good question
[21:13] <sick_rimmit> First, I have to figure out how Snappy works, I know what it is but that is about it
[21:14] <sick_rimmit> I like you alot valorie you make me feel good about the efforts that I make, thank you :-D
[21:15] <sick_rimmit> I reckon most everyone else feels the same way
[21:15] <valorie> I like you very much as well, sick_rimmit <3
[21:15] <valorie> you are the bubbles in the champagne that is Kubuntu
[21:15] <sick_rimmit> We'll need that Friday :-D
[21:16] <sick_rimmit> Woo Hoo - party time
[21:17] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: has helped me get my packaging up enough to a basic level where I can make something sensible I think
[21:17] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: did you upload it yet?
[21:17] <sick_rimmit> yofel: Gave us a LXC to work with
[21:17] <sick_rimmit> No, I  couldn't remember what I had to do after a successful pbuild
[21:18] <sick_rimmit> I thought there was one more step before doing a dput
[21:18] <sick_rimmit> I figure I would hang on till I spoke to you
[21:18]  * valorie is a bit over half-way through the Debian Policy
[21:18] <clivejo> well you must have done debuild -S to run it into pbuild
[21:18] <sick_rimmit> Of course we'll be waiting on release code
[21:18] <valorie> not sure how enlightened I am, but I've been getting to sleep easily......
[21:19] <clivejo> so next step is dput
[21:20]  * ahoneybun wonders if KDE as a whole can be put into a snappy
[21:20] <ahoneybun> 5.7 on 16.04 without PPAs anyone?
[21:21]  * sick_rimmit checks bash history
[21:21]  * sick_rimmit wonder how in the heck we merge that with debian
[21:22] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: Yes, I did indeed debuild -S
[21:22] <clivejo> snappy is ubuntu
[21:22] <clivejo> it wouldnt be merged with debian
[21:22] <ahoneybun> but we are moving to LP no?
[21:22] <clivejo> unless they decided to use it, which I strongly doubt
[21:22] <sick_rimmit> I ran into a load of pbuilder troubles, so had to setup a build server ( hard drive layout on my laptop )
[21:23] <sick_rimmit> Anyways its good as now I have packaging server
[21:23] <sick_rimmit> The build of Muon worked
[21:23] <sick_rimmit> although I still need libqapt
[21:23] <ahoneybun> I could not find the docs I had on packaging
[21:24] <valorie> ahoneybun: in the /topic
[21:25] <sick_rimmit> I tell you this aaron, we so desperately need a new packagers guide to getting started
[21:25] <sick_rimmit> The journey I have been on trying to get packaging, is a long a painful road
[21:25] <sick_rimmit> and I only just got started
[21:26] <sick_rimmit> I suspect clivejo and sgclark whip themselves at night with flailing chains, to help them relax !!
[21:27] <clivejo> never did that :/
[21:27] <sgclark> um
[21:27] <sgclark> that sounds terrible
[21:27] <clivejo> is that part of the requirements
[21:27] <sick_rimmit> Says that in the Debian Policy page 211
[21:28] <clivejo> I really need to read that the whole way through
[21:28] <clivejo> but I keep falling asleep
[21:29] <sick_rimmit> I have a No Starch book on Debian, but I can't read it...
[21:29] <sick_rimmit> because its my Monitor stand
[21:29] <sick_rimmit> Which might account for why I don't know what I am doing
[21:36] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: did you upload?
[21:43] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: I did not, as we can't push this code, we need a release from KDE
[21:43] <mamarley> Hmm, I am trying to boot either Kubuntu Xenial Beta 2 or Kubuntu Xenial Nightly in KVM and both are being extremely crashy.  Most of the time they don't boot at all, and when they do, the installer either won't start or crashes complaining about out of memory.
[21:43] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: there is probably more work needed
[21:43] <clivejo> the reason I want you to push to LP is to get a debdiff
[21:43] <sick_rimmit> Oh OK, I see
[21:44] <clivejo> to make sure the changelog is sync'ed, which I sure its not
[21:44] <sick_rimmit> Might be able to do that for you now, give me a few minutes
[21:50] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: alright done
[21:50] <sick_rimmit> dput ppa:rick-timmis/kubuntu-utopic
[21:50] <sick_rimmit> ppa:rick-timmis/kubuntu-utopic
[21:50] <clivejo> but the package is xenial?
[21:51] <sick_rimmit> Oh ignore the ppa name, that's just my mistake
[21:52] <sick_rimmit> I called it the wrong thing
[21:52] <sick_rimmit> Should of called it Kubuntu
[21:52]  * sick_rimmit watch out expert on the loose
[21:52]  * sick_rimmit Ex as in old forgotful and no longer relevant
[21:53]  * sick_rimmit Spurt - like a drip, but under pressure
[21:53] <clivejo> ah here we go again
[21:53] <clivejo> Firefox hanging
[21:54] <clivejo> what is its problem!
[21:54] <sick_rimmit> alright it has appeared in my ppa
[21:54] <mamarley> Hmm, that was dumb of me.  The problem was, in fact, that I had not allocated enough RAM to the VM.  Silly me.
[21:54] <sick_rimmit> OK, I got to wrap up for tonight, I be back tomorrow
[21:54] <sick_rimmit> mamarley: DOH!
[21:54] <clivejo> go to the package details
[21:55] <clivejo> and view the diff
[21:58] <sick_rimmit> oooo lots of changes
[21:58] <clivejo> need to go through that
[21:59] <sick_rimmit> Ah ah now I see where to add Carlo, ovidiu-florin and me as maintainers
[21:59] <sick_rimmit> MuonVersion.h
[21:59] <sick_rimmit> Go through it, your kidding me right
[21:59] <sick_rimmit> Don't we just patch it and go
[22:00] <clivejo> well it will be missing all the discover and updater stuff they removed
[22:00] <clivejo> and also the packaging files we removed
[22:01] <clivejo> but the chnagelog needs to reflect whats in the Ubuntu archive
[22:01] <mamarley> yofel: I may have inadvertently discovered something mildly interesting: If I boot the Kubuntu LiveCD with nomodeset, the try/install selector works.
[22:04] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15821056/
[22:04] <clivejo> some of this red needs looking at
[22:06] <clivejo> basically means some of the released version made it into the archive but your version doesnt have a recod of them
[22:06] <clivejo> that needs fixing
[22:06] <sick_rimmit> Alright, it in me basket, I look through it tomorrow
[22:06] <clivejo> no prob
[22:06] <sick_rimmit> got to go to bed, i'm whacked
[22:06] <sick_rimmit> see you later
[22:06] <clivejo> night night
 Mam app update broke something
[23:10]  * mamarley just got KDE Neon installed in a Xenial VM.  Seems to work well.