[00:48] <keithzg> ...or not; it won't even boot the installer then. Hrmm.
[00:59] <hallyn> pmatulis: hey - that box you had htat wouldn't boot after launching a lxd container, was it launched from a cloud image by chance?
[01:20] <neon_v0id> Hey, everyone. I have a small issue with my Ubuntu server. I recently uninstalled the Mumble server I was running on it, and now I keep getting mail about the "murmurd" start-stop-daemon. That /usr/sbin/murmurd can't start because there's no such file or directory. How can I get my server to stop trying to run murmurd at startup?
[01:28] <tarpman> neon_v0id: 1) purge the package (vs just removing it) - the initscript is a conffile, therefore not removed unless you purge. 2) file a bug - the initscript should not try to start a daemon that isn't installed
[01:35] <neon_v0id> tarpman, thanks. I've run the purge and hopefully I wont get any more mail messages about mumble/murmurd :)
[03:32] <pmatulis> hallyn: yes, that's what i said
[03:50] <hallyn> pmatulis: can you check whether removing /etc/network/interfaces.d/* and putting the eth0 definition in /etc/network/interfaces fixes it for you?
[03:51] <hallyn> it fixed it for me at any rate
[04:12] <pmatulis> hallyn: i copied contents of .d/eth0 into interfaces file and moved eth0 out of the way. rebooted fine. did 'lxc launch ubuntu:' and rebooted. same problem as before
[04:13] <pmatulis> hallyn: fwiw, it hangs here a while: https://private-fileshare.canonical.com/~pmatulis/sstack_reboot_pmatulis-xenial-1.png
[04:14] <pmatulis> hallyn: there appears to be some kernel module problems, dunno
[04:21] <hallyn> pmatulis: that sounds like a different bug, then, which i've not reproduced.  drat
[08:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:32] <SaltySolomon> hi
[08:32] <SaltySolomon> I need a tiny bit help with setting up open stack
[10:50] <amigoo89> hey guys, I am currently running an ubuntu VPS machine. For a few days/weeks already, when I want to access my server either via HTTP or SSH, it starts to load for the FIRST TIME very slow, like if it is sleeping/standby. As soon as the machne woke up, it works properly and fast. what could be the reason for it?
[11:01] <vagarwal_> I see that oddjob-mkhomedir is available in xenial but not in trusty. Is there an alternative or a backport available for oddjob-mkhomedir in trusty?
[11:19] <saftblandarn> Hello!
[11:20] <saftblandarn> I'm in the process of installing a lamp-server on ubuntu, could anyone recommend a good guide for 14.04?
[11:20] <ogra_> sudo tasksel .... pick "LAMP server" ?
[11:36] <saftblandarn> ogra_, thanks :) I'm a total newbie
[12:32] <saftblandarn> How do I go up in the CLI?
[12:34] <hateball> saftblandarn: care to elaborate? "go up" ?
[12:34] <hateball> shift+page up/down, probably
[12:35] <saftblandarn> That solved it. Thanks!
[12:58] <caribou> jgrimm: FYI, vsftpd is now uploaded & into the archive
[13:36] <saftblandarn> Okay, so now I set up all the basics I need for creating my web front end and such. Before I do so I would like to backup everything. What is the ideal way to do this?
[13:43] <jamespage> coreycb, hey paramiko 1.16 is not backporting for the UCA - needs some extra deps
[13:43] <jamespage> can you take a look?
[13:43] <coreycb> jamespage, on it
[13:44] <jamespage> coreycb, oh for next cycle we should consider how the archive re-org thing can help us remove more delta with debian
[13:44] <jamespage> coreycb, bd's that don't translate into runtime depends can still be in universe...
[13:45] <coreycb> jamespage, I need to catch up on the archive re-org
[13:45] <coreycb> jamespage, that is interesting
[13:45] <jamespage> coreycb, it could really help us
[13:45] <coreycb> jamespage, yeah, so we could potentially drop a lot of BDs from main?
[13:46] <jamespage> coreycb, that will have happened anyway
[13:46] <jamespage> no action required
[13:46] <coreycb> nice
[13:46] <jamespage> coreycb, we can re-add a load that we manage via delta
[13:47] <coreycb> jamespage, it seems like something we can naturally assess perhaps as we work through merges next cycle
[13:48] <jamespage> coreycb, yah
[13:48] <jamespage> +1
[13:48] <EmilienM> jamespage, coreycb: looking at http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/mitaka_versions.html
[13:48] <EmilienM> it looks like we can use update repo?
[13:48] <jamespage> EmilienM, yeah working that through atm
[13:49] <EmilienM> excellent
[13:49] <jgrimm> caribou, thanks!!
[13:49] <jamespage> EmilienM, we have an update to paramiko in the pipe which I'd like to get tested in staging before we promote to -proposed and -updates
[13:50] <jamespage> EmilienM, at which point we will have validates staging as much as we can and you'll get the whole lot :-)
[13:50] <aotea> :q
[13:56] <EmilienM> jamespage: testing our CI against updates now
[14:58] <coreycb> jamespage, paramiko backport fix is in the works, I had to update python-gssapi in xenial to drop virtualenv and python-tox from BDs...
[15:03] <macskay> hi guys, i have a ubuntu 14.04 lts server and it takes a long time to respond to commands, such as up to 20 seconds when using "ls -al" for a small directory.
[15:03] <macskay> Using "ls" only is done immediately. I tried rebooting but then my server didnt come back.
[15:03] <macskay> It seemed an error in mounting the partition but checking the drive's smart values didnt show any faults.
[15:03] <macskay>  I rebooted in "recovery mode" and all commands are executed right away (even "ls -al")
[15:03] <macskay> when mounting the partition and using "chroot /mnt" the repsonse time goes back up again. What could that be?
[15:03] <macskay> I tried "top" and "dmesg" but noghint shows up in there
[15:04] <ppetraki> macskay, what does strace say?
[15:04] <macskay> one sec ill jhave a look
[15:04] <rbasak> macskay: if you've rebooted dmesg is lost. Check /var/log/kern.log.
[15:05] <ppetraki> macskay,  strace -t -f -s 4096 {CMD} &> logfile
[15:06] <ppetraki> should tell you were it's spending its time and be pretty verbose about it
[15:08] <macskay> ppetraki: Here's the logfile: https://www.refheap.com/117490, rbasak /var/log/kern.log was last changed 3 days ago
[15:09] <rbasak> I don't know but it sounds like some kind of local corruption or hardware fault to me.
[15:09] <rbasak> Have you forced an fsck?
[15:10] <macskay> hm not that i know of no, should I do one?
[15:10] <rbasak> I would.
[15:10] <macskay> the strange thing is, why would it be ok in the recovery mode?
[15:11] <rbasak> A reboot might have cleared an underlying problem.
[15:11] <rbasak> Especially for a hardware fault.
[15:13] <ppetraki> macskay, a lot of ldap timeouts
[15:13] <macskay> yeah
[15:13] <macskay> i installed ldap yesterday, but removed it again
[15:13] <macskay> it kept timing out
[15:13] <macskay> even though i deinstalled it
[15:14] <ppetraki> I don't know how you uninstalled it, but it still looks like it's part of the auth stack
[15:15] <ppetraki> a fsck is a good idea, start from a sane place
[15:15] <macskay> sudo apt-get remove --purge slapd
[15:21] <ppetraki> macskay, it looks like you're going to have to manually remove ldap from the auth stack. theres a lot of "im trying to connect to localhost over socket and nobody is there to receive"
[15:22] <ppetraki> macskay, port 389 is ldap
[15:22] <macskay> that might actually be the problem, because it started lagging after I "removed" ldap
[15:22] <ppetraki> macskay, so opinion is find a decent howto on ldap and reverse the steps
[15:23]  * ppetraki is not fluent in auth anymore
[15:23] <macskay> hm yes that seems about right
[15:23] <ppetraki> hope that helps
[15:23] <macskay> i'll try that
[15:23] <macskay> and keep you posted if it helped or not
[15:23] <macskay> thanks !
[15:25] <ppetraki> yw
[15:25] <EmilienM> jamespage: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305286/ -- the bump to updates repo works fine for us.
[15:33] <jamespage> EmilienM, awesome
[15:33] <EmilienM> jamespage: question: when do you plan to provide a repo for newton? :-)
[15:40] <jamespage> after austin
[15:40] <jamespage> EmilienM, ^^
[15:41] <EmilienM> jamespage: excellent
[15:47] <frickler> does anyone else see a double-! and a left-triangle on their boot splash screen to the right of the cycling dots?
[16:17] <pmatulis> hey hallyn, i was surprised to discover i could log in after all. but i checked a long long time after rebooting. not sure what's going on
[17:02] <hallyn> odd
[17:20] <DammitJim> is there a fix for the samba - badlock bug? I am on 14.04
[17:21] <DammitJim> I have seen that it's been worked on in the security ppa?
[17:21] <sdeziel> DammitJim: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2016-April/007266.html
[17:22] <DammitJim> ok, so we are looking at about a week
[17:22] <DammitJim> thanks!
[17:23] <sdeziel> DammitJim: if you could test the -proposed packages that would be ideal
[17:23] <DammitJim> sdeziel, when something like this comes up, what page should I be looking at?
[17:23] <DammitJim> sdeziel, I'm going to try to because I know it might require me to make other changes
[17:23] <randymarsh9> hello
[17:24] <randymarsh9> what's a good command line browser?
[17:25] <DammitJim> lynx
[17:25] <sdeziel> DammitJim: those versions upgrade are very infrequent. I don't know if there is a official communication channel for those but the -server mailing list might be a good place to look at
[17:26] <DammitJim> ah! server mailing list
[17:39] <sarnold> randymarsh9: I prefer w3m, I think it does a better job with tables. none are entirely pleasing.
[17:40] <randymarsh9> DammitJim: seems to be the most popular choice
[17:40] <randymarsh9> sarnold: will give that a try, thanks
[17:40] <DammitJim> si
[17:40] <sarnold> DammitJim: we also usually call for testers in the #ubuntu-hardened channel
[17:44] <randymarsh9> sarnold: dang i can even scroll with my mousoe
[17:44] <randymarsh9> mouse*
[17:44] <randymarsh9> good stuff
[17:45] <sarnold> oh yeah, and I have a vague memory of that getting annoying when you just want to select/paste like a normal application..
[17:46] <sarnold> randymarsh9: w3m-img can even load images into xterms and other similarly-featured terminals. scary.
[17:53] <randymarsh9> sarnold: i did "apt-get install w3m-img", it downloaded and installed but when i type w3m-img into my terminal and hit return it says "command not found"
[17:53] <randymarsh9> what am i doing wrong?
[17:54] <nacc> randymarsh9: doesn't htat just install the extension? the command is still w3m
[17:54] <nacc> afaict
[17:57] <randymarsh9> nacc: it very well may. i have no idea how to use it though
[17:57] <randymarsh9> do i need to use a different ssh client for images to load?
[17:57] <randymarsh9> or can i still use putty
[17:58] <sarnold> the -mouse- works over an ssh via putty??
[18:03] <RoyK> iirc no
[18:03] <RoyK> but I think it might work with kitty
[18:04] <RoyK> and then there's this new ubuntu-on-windows thing that might be worth trying
[18:06] <RoyK> randymarsh9: the command is w3m, not w3m-img
[18:07] <RoyK> or perhaps w3mimgdisplay
[18:07] <randymarsh9> sarnold: in w3m it does. i can click links and even scroll using the mouse wheel
[18:07] <randymarsh9> RoyK: on 0.62 it is working
[18:07] <RoyK> randymarsh9: then possibly xming is doing that
[18:07] <sarnold> randymarsh9: crazy. I didn't really expect that to work via putty. :)
[18:08] <randymarsh9> using screen
[18:08] <randymarsh9> dont know if that has anything to do with it
[18:08] <sarnold> haha, that is also surprising :)
[18:11] <randymarsh9> sarnold: actually no i take that back, if you are using screen it won't scroll but if you just launch w3m from terminal in putty then it does
[18:12] <randymarsh9> if you have a screen session open then it just scrolls up your terminal
[18:14] <randymarsh9> RoyK: i tried w3m-img thinking that will load the images
[18:14] <randymarsh9> it isn't working though. is it because of the client i am using?
[18:14] <RoyK> afaics, it's not part of that package
[18:14] <RoyK> try dpkg -L w3m-img
[18:15] <sarnold> randymarsh9: I really don't think images are going to load via putty. it uses xterm extensions to draw them.. I'm stunned the mouse even works.
[18:15] <RoyK> sarnold: with xming, it should work well
[18:15] <sarnold> RoyK: heh is that still a thing? :)
[18:16] <RoyK> sarnold: indeed :)
[18:16] <sarnold> RoyK: that's right next to tri-teal cde in my mental hash buckets..
[18:16] <RoyK> hehe
[18:16] <RoyK> only good way of using x with windows these days, afaik
[18:17] <RoyK>  Last Update: 2015-05-24
[18:17] <RoyK> no, not really, april 1
[18:17] <RoyK> 2016
[18:18] <randymarsh9> sarnold: xterm is an ssh client for unix systems?
[18:19] <RoyK> no...
[18:19] <RoyK> it's a terminal
[18:19] <sarnold> randymarsh9: no. xterm is a terminal emulator.
[18:19] <sarnold> randymarsh9: windows doesn't really have an equivalent, or at least not explicitly..
[18:20] <randymarsh9> sarnold: command prompt?
[18:20] <randymarsh9> that would be my guess
[18:20] <RoyK> terminals are abstracted in the unix world, and has a truckload of functionality hardcoded into cmd and the likes in windows
[18:20] <sarnold> randymarsh9: except cmd.exe is .. well, like xterm glued together with bash. sortof.
[18:21] <randymarsh9> cool
[18:21] <RoyK> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/226280-first-look-hands-on-with-ubuntu-on-windows-10
[18:21] <randymarsh9> don't all terminals have bash/some userspace glued with it anyway?
[18:22] <RoyK> no, bash is another executable
[18:22] <RoyK> such as dash or zsh or csh or whatever
[18:23] <RoyK> chs is rather old-school :)
[18:23] <sarnold> .. or skip running the shell entirely and just start programs directly, e.g. xterm -e mutt   will start mutt directly inthe terminal without a shell first
[18:23] <patdk-wk> why xterm?
[18:23] <randymarsh9> what good is a terminal with no userspace?
[18:23] <patdk-wk> just have the kernel run mutt instead of init :)
[18:24]  * RoyK slaps patdk-wk with a small herring
[18:24] <patdk-wk> if your running xterm, you long ago had userspace
[18:24] <RoyK> randymarsh9: everything is userspace
[18:24] <randymarsh9> RoyK: i'm confused
[18:24] <patdk-wk> a *shell* != userspace
[18:24] <RoyK> kernelspace is about system calls and so on
[18:25] <RoyK> a shell lives in userspace
[18:25] <sarnold> randymarsh9: each shell brings with it a certain amount of used memory; if you never use it you can save the memory. granted the kernel will swap it out eventually but each one takes one to six megs or so..
[18:25] <patdk-wk> userspace is about privilege separation
[18:26] <randymarsh9> ok i have the wrong definition of userspace
[18:26] <RoyK> x86/x64 have four privilege levels - most OSes uses two
[18:27]  * patdk-wk lives at ring0
[18:27] <sdeziel> how about ring -1?
[18:28] <randymarsh9> what's the point of bringing bash to windows?
[18:28] <RoyK> sdeziel: the über-ring with only gods in it? ;)
[18:28] <randymarsh9> does that let me download and run unix programs?
[18:28] <RoyK> randymarsh9: not back - it never was there in the irst place
[18:28] <sarnold> randymarsh9: so you're not stuck trying to deal with terrible cmd.exe or baffling powershell
[18:28] <ogra_> it comes with apt ;)
[18:28] <randymarsh9> RoyK: i said bringing bash not back
[18:29] <RoyK> doh - I misread
[18:29] <randymarsh9> so i can run w3m on windows if i want to?
[18:29] <RoyK> randymarsh9: the point is that it combines the power of unices with windoze
[18:29] <sarnold> probably
[18:29] <randymarsh9> and lynx and all the other cool programs?
[18:29] <sarnold> granted those may work today via cygwin
[18:29] <sarnold> but the new windows personality modes sounds nicer
[18:29] <RoyK> randymarsh9: works well if you really need windows and can't go with linux as your primary
[18:29] <randymarsh9> so windows is coming up with a bash emulator of sorts?
[18:29] <ogra_> The whole ubuntu archive (theoretically)
[18:30] <randymarsh9> except it is much more official than that?
[18:30] <RoyK> randymarsh9: nah - it's an API that translates linux systemcalls to windows' ones
[18:30] <randymarsh9> is windows going to let ubuntu do the same thing?
[18:30] <ogra_> no, it adds Linux syscall translation to the windows kernel
[18:31] <sarnold> randymarsh9: in some sense, linux did the same thing two decades ago, first with 'dosbox' then with 'wine'
[18:31] <ogra_> then there is an app in the windows store that lets you install a minimal ubuntu system thatships bash and apt
[18:31] <RoyK> sarnold++
[18:32] <randymarsh9> sarnold: dosbox was a unix thing?
[18:32] <ogra_> so you can apt install anything from the archive
[18:32] <ogra_> (not everything might run though )
[18:32] <RoyK> ogra_: and most of it will probably work? ;)
[18:32] <randymarsh9> i thought dosbox was created to run old dos programs on new versions of windows
[18:32] <randymarsh9> since dos was removed after windows 2000
[18:33] <randymarsh9> in xp it was no longer there i think
[18:33] <ogra_> I'd assume most cmdline tools will work eventually... Including lynx and w3m
[18:34] <sarnold> randymarsh9: sure, apt-cache show dosbox   :)
[18:35] <sarnold> hunh, initial release in 2002..
[18:35] <sarnold> ah there we go, dosemu, initial release September 1992; 23 years ago
[18:35] <RoyK> no idea if the initial release was for win or linux, but it seems to run on most things
[18:36] <RoyK> sarnold: ah - probably not someone that wanted dos games to run on winnt/os2 :D
[18:37] <RoyK> that is, winnt came in '93
[18:37] <sarnold> hehe
[18:40] <RoyK> sarnold: I remember someone trying to show us (at the time I was working a day a week for practice during school) the benefits of winnt 3.1 as a fileserver - how brilliant it was - but then, a wee test comparing simple file copying with that and the current netware (3.12 iirc) showed it was slower by far, about half the speed or so
[18:42] <sarnold> RoyK: yeah, I remember those ancient netware systems fondly.. the nt 4.0 server we had reset every thursday and we never figured out why.
[18:43] <RoyK> hehe
[20:17] <arooni> can someone tell me why i must run sudo when doing basic stuff like mkdir rm within a /var/www/adomain.com which it and all files/subdirectorires has ownership:  wp-user:www-data ; and my currently logged in user is part of the www-data group?
[20:18] <keithzg> arooni: What does "ls -l /var/www/adomain.com" say for permissions? Perhaps it's not set to writeable by group, only wp-user.
[20:20] <arooni> keithzg you're right;  is it a security hazard to do a sudo chmod g+w -r /var/www/adomain.com ?
[20:21] <keithzg> arooni: Only in the sense that obviously then you'd better make sure that only users with secure credentials and a good reason to write there are part of that group.
[23:06] <pulsar12> I need help to solve an issue with pppd.
[23:25] <pulsar12> why would pppd process try to resolve name "ppp0" while a client is connecting?
[23:34] <sarnold> pulsar12: hmm, nothing stands out when searching debian code search for ppp0 or gethostbyname pkg:ppp ..
[23:41] <pulsar12> sarnold, thanks for the hint! the search using "gethostbyname pkg:ppp" turned out a result which i havent found before
[23:47] <pulsar12> tomorrow i will investigate more since i don't have access now to the server
[23:56] <randymarsh9> uh oh