[00:48] ...or not; it won't even boot the installer then. Hrmm. [00:59] pmatulis: hey - that box you had htat wouldn't boot after launching a lxd container, was it launched from a cloud image by chance? [01:20] Hey, everyone. I have a small issue with my Ubuntu server. I recently uninstalled the Mumble server I was running on it, and now I keep getting mail about the "murmurd" start-stop-daemon. That /usr/sbin/murmurd can't start because there's no such file or directory. How can I get my server to stop trying to run murmurd at startup? [01:28] neon_v0id: 1) purge the package (vs just removing it) - the initscript is a conffile, therefore not removed unless you purge. 2) file a bug - the initscript should not try to start a daemon that isn't installed [01:35] tarpman, thanks. I've run the purge and hopefully I wont get any more mail messages about mumble/murmurd :) === alexisb-afk is now known as alexisb [03:32] hallyn: yes, that's what i said [03:50] pmatulis: can you check whether removing /etc/network/interfaces.d/* and putting the eth0 definition in /etc/network/interfaces fixes it for you? [03:51] it fixed it for me at any rate [04:12] hallyn: i copied contents of .d/eth0 into interfaces file and moved eth0 out of the way. rebooted fine. did 'lxc launch ubuntu:' and rebooted. same problem as before [04:13] hallyn: fwiw, it hangs here a while: https://private-fileshare.canonical.com/~pmatulis/sstack_reboot_pmatulis-xenial-1.png [04:14] hallyn: there appears to be some kernel module problems, dunno [04:21] pmatulis: that sounds like a different bug, then, which i've not reproduced. drat === vlado_ is now known as vbotka === strigazi_AFK is now known as strigazi [08:13] Good morning. [08:32] hi [08:32] I need a tiny bit help with setting up open stack === mani is now known as Guest30380 === magicalChicken_ is now known as magicalChicken === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat === Exagone314 is now known as Exagone313 === warraymos_alt is now known as warraymos === ShaRose_ is now known as ShaRose === cargonza_ is now known as cargonza [10:50] hey guys, I am currently running an ubuntu VPS machine. For a few days/weeks already, when I want to access my server either via HTTP or SSH, it starts to load for the FIRST TIME very slow, like if it is sleeping/standby. As soon as the machne woke up, it works properly and fast. what could be the reason for it? [11:01] I see that oddjob-mkhomedir is available in xenial but not in trusty. Is there an alternative or a backport available for oddjob-mkhomedir in trusty? [11:19] Hello! [11:20] I'm in the process of installing a lamp-server on ubuntu, could anyone recommend a good guide for 14.04? [11:20] sudo tasksel .... pick "LAMP server" ? [11:36] ogra_, thanks :) I'm a total newbie === EmilienM_ is now known as EmilienM === EmilienM is now known as Guest50220 === Guest50220 is now known as EmilienM [12:32] How do I go up in the CLI? [12:34] saftblandarn: care to elaborate? "go up" ? [12:34] shift+page up/down, probably [12:35] That solved it. Thanks! [12:58] jgrimm: FYI, vsftpd is now uploaded & into the archive [13:36] Okay, so now I set up all the basics I need for creating my web front end and such. Before I do so I would like to backup everything. What is the ideal way to do this? [13:43] coreycb, hey paramiko 1.16 is not backporting for the UCA - needs some extra deps [13:43] can you take a look? === DavidDuffey is now known as dduffey [13:43] jamespage, on it [13:44] coreycb, oh for next cycle we should consider how the archive re-org thing can help us remove more delta with debian [13:44] coreycb, bd's that don't translate into runtime depends can still be in universe... [13:45] jamespage, I need to catch up on the archive re-org [13:45] jamespage, that is interesting [13:45] coreycb, it could really help us [13:45] jamespage, yeah, so we could potentially drop a lot of BDs from main? [13:46] coreycb, that will have happened anyway [13:46] no action required [13:46] nice [13:46] coreycb, we can re-add a load that we manage via delta [13:47] jamespage, it seems like something we can naturally assess perhaps as we work through merges next cycle [13:48] coreycb, yah [13:48] +1 === ryan`c is now known as ryan-c [13:48] jamespage, coreycb: looking at http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/mitaka_versions.html [13:48] it looks like we can use update repo? [13:48] EmilienM, yeah working that through atm [13:49] excellent [13:49] caribou, thanks!! [13:49] EmilienM, we have an update to paramiko in the pipe which I'd like to get tested in staging before we promote to -proposed and -updates [13:50] EmilienM, at which point we will have validates staging as much as we can and you'll get the whole lot :-) [13:50] :q [13:56] jamespage: testing our CI against updates now === ttpearso_ is now known as ttpearso === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [14:58] jamespage, paramiko backport fix is in the works, I had to update python-gssapi in xenial to drop virtualenv and python-tox from BDs... [15:03] hi guys, i have a ubuntu 14.04 lts server and it takes a long time to respond to commands, such as up to 20 seconds when using "ls -al" for a small directory. [15:03] Using "ls" only is done immediately. I tried rebooting but then my server didnt come back. [15:03] It seemed an error in mounting the partition but checking the drive's smart values didnt show any faults. [15:03] I rebooted in "recovery mode" and all commands are executed right away (even "ls -al") [15:03] when mounting the partition and using "chroot /mnt" the repsonse time goes back up again. What could that be? [15:03] I tried "top" and "dmesg" but noghint shows up in there [15:04] macskay, what does strace say? [15:04] one sec ill jhave a look [15:04] macskay: if you've rebooted dmesg is lost. Check /var/log/kern.log. [15:05] macskay, strace -t -f -s 4096 {CMD} &> logfile [15:06] should tell you were it's spending its time and be pretty verbose about it [15:08] ppetraki: Here's the logfile: https://www.refheap.com/117490, rbasak /var/log/kern.log was last changed 3 days ago [15:09] I don't know but it sounds like some kind of local corruption or hardware fault to me. [15:09] Have you forced an fsck? [15:10] hm not that i know of no, should I do one? [15:10] I would. [15:10] the strange thing is, why would it be ok in the recovery mode? [15:11] A reboot might have cleared an underlying problem. [15:11] Especially for a hardware fault. === strigazi_ is now known as strigazi === strigazi is now known as strigazi_AFK [15:13] macskay, a lot of ldap timeouts [15:13] yeah [15:13] i installed ldap yesterday, but removed it again [15:13] it kept timing out [15:13] even though i deinstalled it [15:14] I don't know how you uninstalled it, but it still looks like it's part of the auth stack [15:15] a fsck is a good idea, start from a sane place [15:15] sudo apt-get remove --purge slapd [15:21] macskay, it looks like you're going to have to manually remove ldap from the auth stack. theres a lot of "im trying to connect to localhost over socket and nobody is there to receive" [15:22] macskay, port 389 is ldap [15:22] that might actually be the problem, because it started lagging after I "removed" ldap [15:22] macskay, so opinion is find a decent howto on ldap and reverse the steps [15:23] * ppetraki is not fluent in auth anymore [15:23] hm yes that seems about right [15:23] hope that helps [15:23] i'll try that [15:23] and keep you posted if it helped or not [15:23] thanks ! [15:25] yw [15:25] jamespage: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305286/ -- the bump to updates repo works fine for us. [15:33] EmilienM, awesome [15:33] jamespage: question: when do you plan to provide a repo for newton? :-) [15:40] after austin [15:40] EmilienM, ^^ [15:41] jamespage: excellent === socketguru_ is now known as socketguru [15:47] does anyone else see a double-! and a left-triangle on their boot splash screen to the right of the cycling dots? === nodoubleg is now known as nodoubleg-afk === cmagina90 is now known as cmagina === nodoubleg-afk is now known as nodoubleg === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [16:17] hey hallyn, i was surprised to discover i could log in after all. but i checked a long long time after rebooting. not sure what's going on [17:02] odd [17:20] is there a fix for the samba - badlock bug? I am on 14.04 [17:21] I have seen that it's been worked on in the security ppa? [17:21] DammitJim: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2016-April/007266.html [17:22] ok, so we are looking at about a week [17:22] thanks! [17:23] DammitJim: if you could test the -proposed packages that would be ideal [17:23] sdeziel, when something like this comes up, what page should I be looking at? [17:23] sdeziel, I'm going to try to because I know it might require me to make other changes [17:23] hello [17:24] what's a good command line browser? [17:25] lynx [17:25] DammitJim: those versions upgrade are very infrequent. I don't know if there is a official communication channel for those but the -server mailing list might be a good place to look at [17:26] ah! server mailing list [17:39] randymarsh9: I prefer w3m, I think it does a better job with tables. none are entirely pleasing. [17:40] DammitJim: seems to be the most popular choice [17:40] sarnold: will give that a try, thanks [17:40] si [17:40] DammitJim: we also usually call for testers in the #ubuntu-hardened channel [17:44] sarnold: dang i can even scroll with my mousoe [17:44] mouse* [17:44] good stuff [17:45] oh yeah, and I have a vague memory of that getting annoying when you just want to select/paste like a normal application.. [17:46] randymarsh9: w3m-img can even load images into xterms and other similarly-featured terminals. scary. [17:53] sarnold: i did "apt-get install w3m-img", it downloaded and installed but when i type w3m-img into my terminal and hit return it says "command not found" [17:53] what am i doing wrong? [17:54] randymarsh9: doesn't htat just install the extension? the command is still w3m [17:54] afaict [17:57] nacc: it very well may. i have no idea how to use it though [17:57] do i need to use a different ssh client for images to load? [17:57] or can i still use putty [17:58] the -mouse- works over an ssh via putty?? [18:03] iirc no [18:03] but I think it might work with kitty [18:04] and then there's this new ubuntu-on-windows thing that might be worth trying [18:06] randymarsh9: the command is w3m, not w3m-img [18:07] or perhaps w3mimgdisplay [18:07] sarnold: in w3m it does. i can click links and even scroll using the mouse wheel [18:07] RoyK: on 0.62 it is working [18:07] randymarsh9: then possibly xming is doing that [18:07] randymarsh9: crazy. I didn't really expect that to work via putty. :) [18:08] using screen [18:08] dont know if that has anything to do with it [18:08] haha, that is also surprising :) [18:11] sarnold: actually no i take that back, if you are using screen it won't scroll but if you just launch w3m from terminal in putty then it does [18:12] if you have a screen session open then it just scrolls up your terminal === unreal_ is now known as unreal [18:14] RoyK: i tried w3m-img thinking that will load the images [18:14] it isn't working though. is it because of the client i am using? [18:14] afaics, it's not part of that package [18:14] try dpkg -L w3m-img [18:15] randymarsh9: I really don't think images are going to load via putty. it uses xterm extensions to draw them.. I'm stunned the mouse even works. [18:15] sarnold: with xming, it should work well [18:15] RoyK: heh is that still a thing? :) [18:16] sarnold: indeed :) [18:16] RoyK: that's right next to tri-teal cde in my mental hash buckets.. [18:16] hehe [18:16] only good way of using x with windows these days, afaik [18:17] Last Update: 2015-05-24 [18:17] no, not really, april 1 [18:17] 2016 [18:18] sarnold: xterm is an ssh client for unix systems? [18:19] no... [18:19] it's a terminal [18:19] randymarsh9: no. xterm is a terminal emulator. [18:19] randymarsh9: windows doesn't really have an equivalent, or at least not explicitly.. [18:20] sarnold: command prompt? [18:20] that would be my guess [18:20] terminals are abstracted in the unix world, and has a truckload of functionality hardcoded into cmd and the likes in windows [18:20] randymarsh9: except cmd.exe is .. well, like xterm glued together with bash. sortof. [18:21] cool === nodoubleg is now known as nodoubleg-lunch [18:21] http://www.extremetech.com/computing/226280-first-look-hands-on-with-ubuntu-on-windows-10 [18:21] don't all terminals have bash/some userspace glued with it anyway? [18:22] no, bash is another executable [18:22] such as dash or zsh or csh or whatever [18:23] chs is rather old-school :) [18:23] .. or skip running the shell entirely and just start programs directly, e.g. xterm -e mutt will start mutt directly inthe terminal without a shell first [18:23] why xterm? [18:23] what good is a terminal with no userspace? [18:23] just have the kernel run mutt instead of init :) [18:24] * RoyK slaps patdk-wk with a small herring [18:24] if your running xterm, you long ago had userspace [18:24] randymarsh9: everything is userspace [18:24] RoyK: i'm confused [18:24] a *shell* != userspace [18:24] kernelspace is about system calls and so on [18:25] a shell lives in userspace [18:25] randymarsh9: each shell brings with it a certain amount of used memory; if you never use it you can save the memory. granted the kernel will swap it out eventually but each one takes one to six megs or so.. [18:25] userspace is about privilege separation [18:26] ok i have the wrong definition of userspace [18:26] x86/x64 have four privilege levels - most OSes uses two [18:27] * patdk-wk lives at ring0 [18:27] how about ring -1? [18:28] what's the point of bringing bash to windows? [18:28] sdeziel: the über-ring with only gods in it? ;) [18:28] does that let me download and run unix programs? [18:28] randymarsh9: not back - it never was there in the irst place [18:28] randymarsh9: so you're not stuck trying to deal with terrible cmd.exe or baffling powershell [18:28] it comes with apt ;) [18:28] RoyK: i said bringing bash not back [18:29] doh - I misread [18:29] so i can run w3m on windows if i want to? [18:29] randymarsh9: the point is that it combines the power of unices with windoze [18:29] probably [18:29] and lynx and all the other cool programs? [18:29] granted those may work today via cygwin [18:29] but the new windows personality modes sounds nicer [18:29] randymarsh9: works well if you really need windows and can't go with linux as your primary [18:29] so windows is coming up with a bash emulator of sorts? [18:29] The whole ubuntu archive (theoretically) [18:30] except it is much more official than that? [18:30] randymarsh9: nah - it's an API that translates linux systemcalls to windows' ones [18:30] is windows going to let ubuntu do the same thing? [18:30] no, it adds Linux syscall translation to the windows kernel [18:31] randymarsh9: in some sense, linux did the same thing two decades ago, first with 'dosbox' then with 'wine' [18:31] then there is an app in the windows store that lets you install a minimal ubuntu system thatships bash and apt [18:31] sarnold++ [18:32] sarnold: dosbox was a unix thing? [18:32] so you can apt install anything from the archive [18:32] (not everything might run though ) [18:32] ogra_: and most of it will probably work? ;) [18:32] i thought dosbox was created to run old dos programs on new versions of windows [18:32] since dos was removed after windows 2000 [18:33] in xp it was no longer there i think [18:33] I'd assume most cmdline tools will work eventually... Including lynx and w3m [18:34] randymarsh9: sure, apt-cache show dosbox :) [18:35] hunh, initial release in 2002.. [18:35] ah there we go, dosemu, initial release September 1992; 23 years ago [18:35] no idea if the initial release was for win or linux, but it seems to run on most things [18:36] sarnold: ah - probably not someone that wanted dos games to run on winnt/os2 :D [18:37] that is, winnt came in '93 [18:37] hehe [18:40] sarnold: I remember someone trying to show us (at the time I was working a day a week for practice during school) the benefits of winnt 3.1 as a fileserver - how brilliant it was - but then, a wee test comparing simple file copying with that and the current netware (3.12 iirc) showed it was slower by far, about half the speed or so [18:42] RoyK: yeah, I remember those ancient netware systems fondly.. the nt 4.0 server we had reset every thursday and we never figured out why. [18:43] hehe === nodoubleg-lunch is now known as nodoubleg === alexisb is now known as alexisb-afk === AndrewMC` is now known as AndrewMC === Bray90820_ is now known as bray90820 === swat30_ is now known as swat30 [20:17] can someone tell me why i must run sudo when doing basic stuff like mkdir rm within a /var/www/adomain.com which it and all files/subdirectorires has ownership: wp-user:www-data ; and my currently logged in user is part of the www-data group? === keithzg__ is now known as keithzg [20:18] arooni: What does "ls -l /var/www/adomain.com" say for permissions? Perhaps it's not set to writeable by group, only wp-user. [20:20] keithzg you're right; is it a security hazard to do a sudo chmod g+w -r /var/www/adomain.com ? [20:21] arooni: Only in the sense that obviously then you'd better make sure that only users with secure credentials and a good reason to write there are part of that group. === dasjoe_ is now known as dasjoe === freeflying__ is now known as freeflying === ivoks_ is now known as ivoks === mukhbiir is now known as neoark === seg_ is now known as seg === yokel_ is now known as yokel === sarnold_ is now known as sarnold === PaulePanter is now known as PaulePanetr === PaulePanetr is now known as PaulePanter === aluria` is now known as aluria === ptx0_ is now known as ptx0 === ksx4system is now known as brokennode === brokennode is now known as ksx4system === ksx4system is now known as netsplitnode [23:06] I need help to solve an issue with pppd. === netsplitnode is now known as ksx4system [23:25] why would pppd process try to resolve name "ppp0" while a client is connecting? [23:34] pulsar12: hmm, nothing stands out when searching debian code search for ppp0 or gethostbyname pkg:ppp .. === dzragon^ is now known as dzragon [23:41] sarnold, thanks for the hint! the search using "gethostbyname pkg:ppp" turned out a result which i havent found before [23:47] tomorrow i will investigate more since i don't have access now to the server [23:56] uh oh