[04:40] <ali1234> Azelphur: that's pretty easy to do. you just need a kernel with gether and an nfs share for root
[05:25] <mapps> hi all
[05:26] <knightwise> mornin mapps
[05:26] <mapps> ;]
[05:26] <mapps> on the last ep of 11.22.63
[06:33] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:45] <ali1234> someone just pointed out to me that youtube is now the second most popular website in the world according to alexa, pushing facebook down into third place
[06:46] <brobostigon> google first presumably?
[06:47] <ali1234> yeah
[06:47] <brobostigon> not a surprise.
[06:47] <ali1234> it,s been google, facebook, youtube since about 2009
[06:47] <brobostigon> it might have been popey.com
[06:53] <knightwise> Probably popey.com
[06:54]  * brobostigon just said that.
[06:56] <knightwise> brobostigon is always right :p
[06:57] <brobostigon> my partner is always right, i am not.
[07:45]  * knightwise is deepdiving into kindle knowledge
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Scrabble Day! 😃
[09:11] <knightwise> hey James
[09:11] <knightwise> Scrabbleday is not a word :p
[09:16] <JamesTait> Depends which dictionary you use, knightwise. 😉
[10:00] <daftykins> yay for new PC bits \o/
[10:00] <daftykins> except case
[10:03] <zmoylan-1i> nail it to the wall as an art installation...
[10:03] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/99kp0ykwzdj48ez/AABs_DXJAJvNCwdp4OaTTAxMa?dl=0 :D
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> all new and shiny...
[10:04] <daftykins> what's great is i got all the bits, then went to get the latest BIOS for the motherboard... oh nice Asus website is down for maintenance!
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> maintenance... or wonky hardware...
[10:05] <daftykins> >:D
[10:53] <sebsebseb> popey: morning, two questions for you the Ubuntu Phone expert :d  after reading two things on omgubuntu that is
[10:54] <sebsebseb> or is it just one well anhyway
[10:54] <sebsebseb> popey: were there even any plans to bring convergence to the MX4 no I guess not quite?
[10:55]  * sebsebseb really likes his MX4 with Ubuntu on it,  slight ashame got sent the wrong colojur, but ok with silver now
[10:55] <sebsebseb> altough it looks like a lot of other peoples phones in that colour, instead of the gold thing or whatever
[10:56] <sebsebseb> popey: I guess one question, one comment.  nice snaps in 16.04 and deb packages
[11:11] <popey> sebsebseb: i think they hoped to
[11:18] <popey> \o/ put the dehydrator on with slices of apples covered in cinnamon
[11:18] <popey> house is gonna smell yummy soon
[11:19] <diddledan> I finally worked on my own site to make it less fugly :-p https://www.bowlhat.net
[11:19] <diddledan> I'm liking my logo now
[11:20] <diddledan> popey: you getting tasty snacks?
[11:20] <popey> ya
[11:20] <diddledan> oh previous line! silly me
[11:20] <diddledan> apple + cinnamon = yummy
[11:20] <daftykins> there's a man! in the corner!
[11:21] <diddledan> daftykins: that's me
[11:24] <daftykins> :D
[11:25] <daftykins> i feel like you should've been wearing said hat
[11:25] <diddledan> lol
[11:25] <diddledan> yeah I need to invest in a proper bowler hat and get a new photo
[11:26] <daftykins> glad to help! 8D
[11:28] <popey> I know a few brits who wear bowler hats.
[11:28] <popey> Without exceptions, they look like tools.
[11:28] <popey> FYI :)
[11:28] <diddledan> lmao
[11:28] <diddledan> popey: are you suggesting that I'm not tool-like already?
[11:29] <diddledan> if so thank you :-p
[11:30] <popey> yw
[11:30] <daftykins> i still feel sad about losing shauno to the Apple teasing :(
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> sorry...
[11:31] <daftykins> yeah that big mean zmoylan-pi
[11:31] <daftykins> ;D
[11:31] <popey> losing wat to the wat
[11:31] <daftykins> shauno left the channel after we teased Apple products too much
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think we were teasing, more that he had a crappy day and rage quit
[11:32] <popey> ah.
[11:32] <daftykins> totally both!
[11:32] <diddledan> he holds a grudge does that one - he did the same in another channel I used to frequent
[11:32] <popey> #grudge-holders ?
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> #downwiththissortofthing
[11:33] <diddledan> #carefulnow
[11:33] <daftykins> diddledan had to leave after he no longer bore a grudge to man nor beast
[11:33] <popey> #slashquit
[11:33] <diddledan> #hashtag
[11:33] <diddledan> wait, what?
[11:34] <zmoylan-pi> shouldn't that be ##hashtag
[11:34] <foobarry> maybe he's on holiday and winding you guys up
[11:34] <diddledan> ## channels confuse me - I'm sat in both #wordpress and ##wordpress for example
[11:35] <foobarry> eww
[11:35] <diddledan> foobarry: bloomin long holiday
[11:35] <foobarry> oh when was it?
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> but not ###wordpress... not a lot of wordpress in that...
[11:35] <diddledan> must be near a year now?
[11:35] <foobarry> wow
[11:35] <foobarry> feel bad for not noticing
[11:36] <zmoylan-pi> he was a night owl, wasn't he?
[11:36] <diddledan> yup
[11:36] <foobarry> #gingers
[11:36] <foobarry> woops
[11:36] <zmoylan-pi> were the calm moderate users hang out... :-P
[11:36] <diddledan> and you!
[11:36] <ali1234> and me
[11:36] <zmoylan-pi> dems fighting words... :-)
[11:37] <daftykins> me, him, ali1234 diddledan and zmoylan-pi could do a Macbeth parody of late night "when shall we 5 meet again?"
[11:37] <daftykins> yay got the count right ;)
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> when apple release a cheap product? :-P
[11:37] <foobarry> and mapps runs in after accidentally betting his house in the casino
[11:37] <diddledan> lol
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> some day mapps will bet his kidney...
[11:37] <diddledan> irccloud is being laggy
[11:37] <foobarry> the working one
[11:38] <foobarry> this channel hasn't been remotely ubuntu in years
[11:38] <zmoylan-pi> his liver of course isn't worth an apple eula...
[11:38] <sebsebseb> popey: apparnatly the MX4 hardware isn't really good enough  or has issues for convergence
[11:38] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: this is why we can't have nice users, y'meanie!
[11:39] <ali1234> shauno is still on freenode, i was talking to him the other day
[11:39] <daftykins> i PM'd once, to no avail
[11:39] <daftykins> he could've easily missed it though
[11:39] <zmoylan-pi> he did pop back in here a few months back didn't he?
[11:39] <diddledan> yeah a short one-day thing, zmoylan-pi
[11:40] <daftykins> :(
[11:40] <foobarry> also that other fella who left canonical
[11:40] <foobarry> i liked him
[11:40] <diddledan> jono?
[11:40] <foobarry> nope
[11:40] <foobarry> he left irc because he left his employer
[11:40] <foobarry> keep going
[11:40] <diddledan> oh well that's silly
[11:40] <foobarry> my brain is failing me
[11:40] <popey> gord
[11:40] <foobarry> +1
[11:40] <foobarry> the allot
[11:40] <popey> ya
[11:40] <popey> he now works for microsoft
[11:41] <popey> thanks to the xamarin buy-out
[11:41] <foobarry> heh
[11:41] <popey> along with about 4 other ex-canonical people
[11:41] <foobarry> hangs out in #linux-lovers
[11:41] <popey> I miss gord
[11:41] <popey> that's a thing?
[11:41] <foobarry> looks at canonical jobs
[11:41] <popey> oh
[11:42] <foobarry> most canonical jobs are juju and openstack atm
[11:42] <sebsebseb> popey: who now works for Microsoft?
[11:43] <popey> sebsebseb: some ex-canonical people
[11:43] <popey> foobarry: https://ldd.tbe.taleo.net/ldd03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=1104
[11:43] <sebsebseb> not jono though
[11:43] <popey> don't want to move to china?
[11:43] <popey> no, indeed. i wasn't talking about him
[11:43] <sebsebseb> who were the exes?
[11:43] <popey> gord allott, neil patel and david siegel all went to xamarin
[11:44] <popey> They seem happy there :)
[11:44] <sebsebseb> might have heard of one of those names before
[11:44] <sebsebseb> siegel maybe
[11:44] <sebsebseb> popey: Canonical has your soul now :D and family, so no OGG Camp organising for you this year :d,  I read the site update last night
[11:44] <popey> Uh
[11:44] <sebsebseb> ?
[11:45] <popey> I never organised oggcamp
[11:45] <zmoylan-pi> this is canonicals plan. to elop the commercial software industry with all these ex canonical employees around... ;-)
[11:45] <sebsebseb> popey: uh I thought you did, or did you just help with it a bit?
[11:45] <ali1234> i thought you did as well. wasn't the first one basically in your garden?
[11:45] <popey> no
[11:45] <popey> i helped organise the Farnham one
[11:46] <foobarry> i was at that one
[11:46] <sebsebseb> oh right ok so only one
[11:46] <ali1234> oh, getting them mixed up then
[11:46] <popey> but most have been in liverpool, and one in oxford and wolves
[11:46] <foobarry> then it moved to the other side of the planet
[11:46] <sebsebseb> foobarry: over side of planet? heh????
[11:46] <sebsebseb> other
[11:46] <popey> Dan/Mark/Tony/Les did most of the work
[11:46] <foobarry> north of watford innit
[11:46] <sebsebseb> Dan has been quite ill so makes sense why he doesn't want to organise one for this year
[11:46] <popey> ali1234: after I saw your project I went looking for pi zero
[11:46] <popey> you basically can't buy them
[11:46] <ali1234> they announced a new board revision 12 hours after i ot my prototype boards
[11:47] <popey> I guess because they were made out of surplus stock anyway
[11:47] <popey> haha
[11:47] <sebsebseb> someone quit the orgnaising at the event last time
[11:47] <sebsebseb> looks like none this year, but maybe next year
[11:47] <popey> Well, Dan did most of the organising but he's been ill
[11:47] <popey> so can't do it this year
[11:47] <sebsebseb> popey: yep as I just put
[11:47] <ali1234> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=144165&p=951891#p951891
[11:48] <foobarry> maybe it will spawn southern and northern smaller versions
[11:48] <sebsebseb> foobarry: oher events?
[11:48] <zmoylan-pi> oooh news on pi zero... http://www.recantha.co.uk/blog/?p=14550
[11:48] <sebsebseb> foobarry: yep we could do with at least on UK open source event, but there only really was ogg camp right?
[11:48] <popey> new pizero?
[11:48] <popey> hopefully armv7?
[11:48] <ali1234> no
[11:48] <zmoylan-pi> they're starting production up again and adding a feature
[11:48] <sebsebseb> one above
[11:48] <popey> bah
[11:48] <popey> 8?
[11:48] <ali1234> no!
[11:48] <ali1234> it will still be 6
[11:48] <ali1234> it has a new feature, but nobody knows what it is yet
[11:49] <ali1234> it is probably audio, or (my guess) micro HDMI instead of mini
[11:49] <zmoylan-pi> a ps/2 port \o/ :-)
[11:49] <ali1234> cos everyone complained about mini
[11:50] <ali1234> it won't be header pins, because that would not require a board revision
[11:51] <popey> wifi?
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> a scsi port... :-)
[11:51] <popey> that would need new chip
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> they definitely said not wifi i think
[11:51] <ali1234> eben said it's not wifi
[11:51] <popey> ah
[11:51] <ali1234> that means it won't be bluetooth either cos they are the same chip
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> ir
[11:52] <ali1234> unlikely, i dont think anyone asked for that
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> i know. i'm just thinking of ancient ports that i still like... :-)
[11:53] <ali1234> "To  thank you for your patience, we've taken advantage of the hiatus to add  a (much requested) new feature. I'll leave you all to guess what it is  (it's not WiFi)."
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> beaming between palms/psions was so convenient...
[11:53] <ali1234> actually whatever it needs requires a firmware update so it's not micro HDMI
[11:54] <ali1234> that might rule out audio too since that's just device tree
[11:56] <popey> more ram?
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> more ram would be good
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> but wouldn't need a firmware change i don't think
[11:57] <ali1234> possibly. they've never done 1GB stacked before though
[11:57] <diddledan> maybe they're gonna do a dedicated bluetooth chip rather than a shared one?
[11:57] <ali1234> it would need a firmware update because of reasons
[11:57] <diddledan> gotta love them reasons
[11:57] <ali1234> diddledan unlikely because it would cost the same as using the combo
[11:57] <sebsebseb> by
[11:57] <diddledan> I do lots of stuff because reasons
[11:57] <sebsebseb> e
[11:57] <ali1234> also RF testing etc
[11:57] <sebsebseb> bye
[11:57] <daftykins> \o
[11:57] <diddledan> good point
[11:58]  * sebsebseb leaves IRC
[11:58] <ali1234> RAM configuration is done in the firmware due to how the VC sets up the ARM address space
[11:58] <ali1234> it's really complicated
[11:58] <diddledan> ooh, maybe it is a ramboost then
[11:59] <diddledan> can you get 1GB POPs?
[11:59] <ali1234> no idea
[11:59] <ali1234> dont see why not though
[11:59] <ali1234> depends on the broadcom part
[12:00]  * zmoylan-pi casts ward evil at mention of broadcom
[12:01] <diddledan> they have the clout to get broadcom to do custom work these days tho so they might be able to get a new package which exposes a different POP interface allowing for larger piggy-backing RAM volumes?
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> they have sold a lot of pi...
[12:01] <diddledan> that would also lead-way to the pi3 getting a piggy-back in addition to it's reverse-side chip allowing for doule
[12:01] <diddledan> double
[12:02] <ali1234> the videocore used int he raspberry pi cannot use more than 1GB so that won't happen
[12:02] <diddledan> aah
[12:02] <diddledan> that's a shame :-(
[12:02] <diddledan> I wonder why that is a limitation
[12:02] <zmoylan-pi> i think the pi 1gb of ram is the pi's biggest bottle neck at the mo
[12:03] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: yeah
[12:03] <ali1234> because the videocore uses MIPS-style segmented memory
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> a 2gb or 4gb pi would be a full pc for me at this point... :-)
[12:03] <ali1234> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7747265/why-in-mips-architecture-program-space-divided-into-4-areas
[12:04] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: yeah that would work for me, too - as a webdev I don't need powerful gfx or cpu - as long as it boots fairly quick and there's enough ram to have multiple applications open I'm happy
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> and if i need games i can fire up c64 emulator on my dumbphone... :-)
[12:06] <ali1234> as a webdev don't you need to run firefox and chrome? and flash and html5 video? raspberry pi sucks at all these things
[12:06] <diddledan> video would be a requirement
[12:06] <diddledan> flash less so
[12:06] <diddledan> nobody does flash these days
[12:07] <ali1234> fair enough. basically youtube doesn't work very well on the pi
[12:07] <zmoylan-pi> malware writers... :-P
[12:07] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: aye
[12:08] <diddledan> several flash-installer-mimics have targeted the mac recently because they can't figure out how else to get into the OS
[12:08] <daftykins> cor a motherboard doing the download of a BIOS update for you - what a brave new world
[12:08] <diddledan> daftykins: :-o
[12:08] <diddledan> daftykins: don't pull the plug!
[12:08] <zmoylan-pi> next version will have pics of kittens in the bios to show while you wait... :-)
[12:08] <diddledan> daftykins: it's erased the BIOS ROM and is flashing direct from the download :-p
[12:09] <daftykins> :D
[12:09] <daftykins> ah no it downloaded cats from imgur instead!
[12:09] <diddledan> pull the ethernet and you'll get a corrupt flash :-p
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> biosKittens(tm)
[12:09] <daftykins> *POST screen of cat in a PC case*
[12:09] <diddledan> hopefully guernsytelecom aren't going to blip
[12:09] <daftykins> :D
[12:09] <daftykins> amusingly it was indeed once called that
[12:10] <diddledan> GT or GiT for binary types
[12:10] <daftykins> Cable and Wireless bought it, then a while back a Bahraini guy bought it from them
[12:10] <diddledan> yey?
[12:11] <diddledan> all your internets are routed through the UAE
[12:11] <daftykins> hmm not bad for an open air setup noise wise with the stock intel heatsink and fan setup
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> just so you have no idea who owns/fiddles with your wires...
[12:11] <diddledan> the stock intel heatsink+fan is quite good these days
[12:11] <diddledan> AMD still haven't got the memo though
[12:11] <daftykins> i used the one on the core 2 quad back in 2007 as well, they do just dandy :>
[12:12] <daftykins> just gotta sit and play with the rotating corners to be sure it's in 'stay down' mode
[12:12] <diddledan> aye
[12:12] <diddledan> I quite like those for ease of install, but you have to be sure your pegs are through the board before you push the plunger
[12:13] <daftykins> *nod*
[12:13] <daftykins> i didn't even bother cleaning it up and using my premium arctic silver
[12:13] <diddledan> :-o
[12:15] <daftykins> now i play the waiting game for when new graphics cards are announced, June or Julyish
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> and then released in november in time to heat your house... :-)
[12:16] <diddledan> \o/
[12:16] <daftykins> ^_^
[12:16] <daftykins> nah i think they'll be out late July, talk is they're only releasing the mid-range first, top end at the end of the year
[12:17] <daftykins> this is the first time since 2010 that the manufacturing process is being reduced since the old 28nm standard in GPUs, so moving to 16nm or lower will be a huge change in efficiency
[12:46] <diddledan> when do we get picometers?
[12:46] <daftykins> doubt that'll happen in our lifetime
[12:47] <zmoylan-pi> as soon as you give up feet and inches...?
[12:47] <diddledan> my feet don't smell, so I don't need to get rid of them yet
[12:47] <daftykins> me and diddledan sorely need our feet to insert into our mouths on regular occasion, eh dan?
[12:47] <diddledan> heck yeah!
[12:48] <diddledan> shouldn't that be "diddledan and I" though :-p
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> captain pedantic to the rescue...
[12:48] <diddledan> \o/
[12:48] <daftykins> talks proper like wot i does
[12:49] <daftykins> that's one of the subtler nuances of the lingo i never quite understood the need for :(
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> dat's not proper
[12:49] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uviwm78kqd30en/IMG_20160413_134814.jpg?dl=0
[12:49] <diddledan> thee and me
[12:49] <daftykins> poor old setup, parts pinched
[12:49]  * diddledan pinches some parts unseen
[12:50] <daftykins> i'm informed a new surface pro 4 has arrived at a clients ready for prodding
[12:50] <diddledan> fondleslab!
[12:51] <daftykins> can't say i hold much hope of it solving the last ones surprises
[12:52] <daftykins> diddledan: i've changed my mind, your site pic needs to turn into an HTML5 video of you enacting a cheesy welcome
[12:52] <daftykins> during which you don the hat!
[12:53] <daftykins> this is gold.
[12:53] <diddledan> full-HD
[12:53] <diddledan> autoplay and autorepeat
[12:53] <daftykins> yep, auto max volume
[12:55] <diddledan> several different prompts for video-player installs, too
[12:55] <diddledan> or. I should do it with JAVA
[12:55] <diddledan> complete with a rippling water effect
[14:21] <foobarry> anyone used berkeley DB?
[15:12] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:12] <daftykins> \o howdy
[15:14]  * diddledan checks what time it is in UGT. yep. good morning.
[15:15] <diddledan> boiler man says my boiler is 96% efficient
[15:16] <daftykins> diddledan: did he turn it back on again after? *ba-dum-tish*
[15:17]  * diddledan sucks-in a sharp breath
[15:17] <diddledan> ooh that's harsh!
[15:17] <diddledan> how very dare thee
[15:18] <daftykins> :D
[15:18] <daftykins> what's your fuel type?
[15:18] <daftykins> i have one o' them gas condensing boilers
[15:19] <daftykins> the guernsey supply runs on LPG though which pales in comparison to the UK gas supply
[15:19] <diddledan> gas
[15:19] <diddledan> that's all I know
[15:19] <daftykins> ah har
[15:32] <diddledan> anyone seen this? http://perl11.org/ turns out perl isn't dead
[15:33] <diddledan> I can't figure out where that leaves the unreleased perl6
[15:33] <diddledan> I'm wondering if it's gonna go the same way as PHP6
[16:04] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/hNjX_WX2y8A
[16:07] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG2Nl2D-i8c (NSFW)
[16:10] <diddledan> lol
[16:18] <diddledan> lol: https://twitter.com/JoeRessington/status/720284913698783232
[20:50] <diddledan> what's up with freenode right now?
[20:50] <diddledan> splitters!
[20:50] <daftykins> it's FOSS
[20:50] <daftykins> ;D
[20:52] <diddledan> foreign online shaky servers?
[20:53] <diddledan> (I couldn't think of anything more witty)
[20:53] <diddledan> offline might be better
[20:54] <daftykins> :D
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> probably a loose cat5 cable somewhere...
[21:36] <daftykins> 5 yep, telephone spec
[21:36] <daftykins> :D
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> or someone tripped over a coax network cable somewhere...
[21:39] <daftykins> some little scamp poked a staple in and ran off
[21:39]  * daftykins glances at diddledan 
[21:39] <diddledan> <.<
[21:39] <diddledan> >.>
[21:39] <diddledan> -.-
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> nailing network cables to wall.  such a beneficial work creation scheme
[21:40] <diddledan> just reboobed into windas. iTunes really want to sell start warts
[21:40] <daftykins> you mean it didn't need updating first?
[21:41] <diddledan> nuppers
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> all of windows is trying to update probably...
[21:42] <daftykins> what irks me a bit about you saying that is Loonix updates more frequently and less consistently :)
[21:42] <diddledan> wait, do people even use looknocks these days?
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> at least i can keep using an updating linux system while it updates
[21:43] <diddledan> this year will be the year of Windows on the desktop, finally
[21:44] <daftykins> err, i've never found that you can't
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> on windows you start up or shut down and updates are been installed. and necessary updates stop the whole show till they are done
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> or is that just a vista thing
[21:46] <daftykins> only if it's on auto and you're an end user that doesn't do them when you're supposed to i'd say
[21:47] <daftykins> it's folks that fight it and then eventually click the wrong thing in frustration that then get delayed from what they were doing 'cause they didn't take the time out :)