[04:40] Azelphur: that's pretty easy to do. you just need a kernel with gether and an nfs share for root [05:25] hi all [05:26] mornin mapps [05:26] ;] [05:26] on the last ep of 11.22.63 [06:33] morning boys and girls. [06:45] someone just pointed out to me that youtube is now the second most popular website in the world according to alexa, pushing facebook down into third place [06:46] google first presumably? [06:47] yeah [06:47] not a surprise. [06:47] it,s been google, facebook, youtube since about 2009 [06:47] it might have been popey.com [06:53] Probably popey.com [06:54] * brobostigon just said that. [06:56] brobostigon is always right :p [06:57] my partner is always right, i am not. [07:45] * knightwise is deepdiving into kindle knowledge [09:04] Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Scrabble Day! 😃 [09:11] hey James [09:11] Scrabbleday is not a word :p [09:16] Depends which dictionary you use, knightwise. 😉 === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [10:00] yay for new PC bits \o/ [10:00] except case [10:03] nail it to the wall as an art installation... [10:03] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/99kp0ykwzdj48ez/AABs_DXJAJvNCwdp4OaTTAxMa?dl=0 :D === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [10:04] all new and shiny... [10:04] what's great is i got all the bits, then went to get the latest BIOS for the motherboard... oh nice Asus website is down for maintenance! [10:05] maintenance... or wonky hardware... [10:05] >:D [10:53] popey: morning, two questions for you the Ubuntu Phone expert :d after reading two things on omgubuntu that is [10:54] or is it just one well anhyway [10:54] popey: were there even any plans to bring convergence to the MX4 no I guess not quite? [10:55] * sebsebseb really likes his MX4 with Ubuntu on it, slight ashame got sent the wrong colojur, but ok with silver now [10:55] altough it looks like a lot of other peoples phones in that colour, instead of the gold thing or whatever [10:56] popey: I guess one question, one comment. nice snaps in 16.04 and deb packages [11:11] sebsebseb: i think they hoped to [11:18] \o/ put the dehydrator on with slices of apples covered in cinnamon [11:18] house is gonna smell yummy soon [11:19] I finally worked on my own site to make it less fugly :-p https://www.bowlhat.net [11:19] I'm liking my logo now [11:20] popey: you getting tasty snacks? [11:20] ya [11:20] oh previous line! silly me [11:20] apple + cinnamon = yummy [11:20] there's a man! in the corner! [11:21] daftykins: that's me [11:24] :D [11:25] i feel like you should've been wearing said hat [11:25] lol [11:25] yeah I need to invest in a proper bowler hat and get a new photo [11:26] glad to help! 8D [11:28] I know a few brits who wear bowler hats. [11:28] Without exceptions, they look like tools. [11:28] FYI :) [11:28] lmao [11:28] popey: are you suggesting that I'm not tool-like already? [11:29] if so thank you :-p [11:30] yw [11:30] i still feel sad about losing shauno to the Apple teasing :( [11:31] sorry... [11:31] yeah that big mean zmoylan-pi [11:31] ;D [11:31] losing wat to the wat [11:31] shauno left the channel after we teased Apple products too much [11:32] i don't think we were teasing, more that he had a crappy day and rage quit [11:32] ah. [11:32] totally both! [11:32] he holds a grudge does that one - he did the same in another channel I used to frequent [11:32] #grudge-holders ? [11:33] #downwiththissortofthing [11:33] #carefulnow [11:33] diddledan had to leave after he no longer bore a grudge to man nor beast [11:33] #slashquit [11:33] #hashtag [11:33] wait, what? [11:34] shouldn't that be ##hashtag [11:34] maybe he's on holiday and winding you guys up [11:34] ## channels confuse me - I'm sat in both #wordpress and ##wordpress for example [11:35] eww [11:35] foobarry: bloomin long holiday [11:35] oh when was it? [11:35] but not ###wordpress... not a lot of wordpress in that... [11:35] must be near a year now? [11:35] wow [11:35] feel bad for not noticing [11:36] he was a night owl, wasn't he? [11:36] yup [11:36] #gingers [11:36] woops [11:36] were the calm moderate users hang out... :-P [11:36] and you! [11:36] and me [11:36] dems fighting words... :-) [11:37] me, him, ali1234 diddledan and zmoylan-pi could do a Macbeth parody of late night "when shall we 5 meet again?" [11:37] yay got the count right ;) [11:37] when apple release a cheap product? :-P [11:37] and mapps runs in after accidentally betting his house in the casino [11:37] lol [11:37] some day mapps will bet his kidney... [11:37] irccloud is being laggy [11:37] the working one [11:38] this channel hasn't been remotely ubuntu in years [11:38] his liver of course isn't worth an apple eula... [11:38] popey: apparnatly the MX4 hardware isn't really good enough or has issues for convergence [11:38] zmoylan-pi: this is why we can't have nice users, y'meanie! [11:39] shauno is still on freenode, i was talking to him the other day [11:39] i PM'd once, to no avail [11:39] he could've easily missed it though [11:39] he did pop back in here a few months back didn't he? [11:39] yeah a short one-day thing, zmoylan-pi [11:40] :( [11:40] also that other fella who left canonical [11:40] i liked him [11:40] jono? [11:40] nope [11:40] he left irc because he left his employer [11:40] keep going [11:40] oh well that's silly [11:40] my brain is failing me [11:40] gord [11:40] +1 [11:40] the allot [11:40] ya [11:40] he now works for microsoft [11:41] thanks to the xamarin buy-out [11:41] heh [11:41] along with about 4 other ex-canonical people [11:41] hangs out in #linux-lovers [11:41] I miss gord [11:41] that's a thing? [11:41] looks at canonical jobs [11:41] oh [11:42] most canonical jobs are juju and openstack atm [11:42] popey: who now works for Microsoft? [11:43] sebsebseb: some ex-canonical people [11:43] foobarry: https://ldd.tbe.taleo.net/ldd03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=1104 [11:43] not jono though [11:43] don't want to move to china? [11:43] no, indeed. i wasn't talking about him [11:43] who were the exes? [11:43] gord allott, neil patel and david siegel all went to xamarin [11:44] They seem happy there :) [11:44] might have heard of one of those names before [11:44] siegel maybe [11:44] popey: Canonical has your soul now :D and family, so no OGG Camp organising for you this year :d, I read the site update last night [11:44] Uh [11:44] ? [11:45] I never organised oggcamp [11:45] this is canonicals plan. to elop the commercial software industry with all these ex canonical employees around... ;-) [11:45] popey: uh I thought you did, or did you just help with it a bit? [11:45] i thought you did as well. wasn't the first one basically in your garden? [11:45] no [11:45] i helped organise the Farnham one [11:46] i was at that one [11:46] oh right ok so only one [11:46] oh, getting them mixed up then [11:46] but most have been in liverpool, and one in oxford and wolves [11:46] then it moved to the other side of the planet [11:46] foobarry: over side of planet? heh???? [11:46] other [11:46] Dan/Mark/Tony/Les did most of the work [11:46] north of watford innit [11:46] Dan has been quite ill so makes sense why he doesn't want to organise one for this year [11:46] ali1234: after I saw your project I went looking for pi zero [11:46] you basically can't buy them [11:46] they announced a new board revision 12 hours after i ot my prototype boards [11:47] I guess because they were made out of surplus stock anyway [11:47] haha [11:47] someone quit the orgnaising at the event last time [11:47] looks like none this year, but maybe next year [11:47] Well, Dan did most of the organising but he's been ill [11:47] so can't do it this year [11:47] popey: yep as I just put [11:47] https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=144165&p=951891#p951891 [11:48] maybe it will spawn southern and northern smaller versions [11:48] foobarry: oher events? [11:48] oooh news on pi zero... http://www.recantha.co.uk/blog/?p=14550 [11:48] foobarry: yep we could do with at least on UK open source event, but there only really was ogg camp right? [11:48] new pizero? [11:48] hopefully armv7? [11:48] no [11:48] they're starting production up again and adding a feature [11:48] one above [11:48] bah [11:48] 8? [11:48] no! [11:48] it will still be 6 [11:48] it has a new feature, but nobody knows what it is yet [11:49] it is probably audio, or (my guess) micro HDMI instead of mini [11:49] a ps/2 port \o/ :-) [11:49] cos everyone complained about mini === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:50] it won't be header pins, because that would not require a board revision [11:51] wifi? [11:51] a scsi port... :-) [11:51] that would need new chip [11:51] they definitely said not wifi i think [11:51] eben said it's not wifi [11:51] ah [11:51] that means it won't be bluetooth either cos they are the same chip [11:51] ir [11:52] unlikely, i dont think anyone asked for that [11:52] i know. i'm just thinking of ancient ports that i still like... :-) [11:53] "To thank you for your patience, we've taken advantage of the hiatus to add a (much requested) new feature. I'll leave you all to guess what it is (it's not WiFi)." [11:53] beaming between palms/psions was so convenient... [11:53] actually whatever it needs requires a firmware update so it's not micro HDMI [11:54] that might rule out audio too since that's just device tree [11:56] more ram? [11:56] more ram would be good [11:57] but wouldn't need a firmware change i don't think [11:57] possibly. they've never done 1GB stacked before though [11:57] maybe they're gonna do a dedicated bluetooth chip rather than a shared one? [11:57] it would need a firmware update because of reasons [11:57] gotta love them reasons [11:57] diddledan unlikely because it would cost the same as using the combo [11:57] by [11:57] I do lots of stuff because reasons [11:57] e [11:57] also RF testing etc [11:57] bye [11:57] \o [11:57] good point [11:58] * sebsebseb leaves IRC [11:58] RAM configuration is done in the firmware due to how the VC sets up the ARM address space [11:58] it's really complicated [11:58] ooh, maybe it is a ramboost then [11:59] can you get 1GB POPs? [11:59] no idea [11:59] dont see why not though [11:59] depends on the broadcom part [12:00] * zmoylan-pi casts ward evil at mention of broadcom [12:01] they have the clout to get broadcom to do custom work these days tho so they might be able to get a new package which exposes a different POP interface allowing for larger piggy-backing RAM volumes? [12:01] they have sold a lot of pi... [12:01] that would also lead-way to the pi3 getting a piggy-back in addition to it's reverse-side chip allowing for doule [12:01] double [12:02] the videocore used int he raspberry pi cannot use more than 1GB so that won't happen [12:02] aah [12:02] that's a shame :-( [12:02] I wonder why that is a limitation [12:02] i think the pi 1gb of ram is the pi's biggest bottle neck at the mo [12:03] zmoylan-pi: yeah [12:03] because the videocore uses MIPS-style segmented memory [12:03] a 2gb or 4gb pi would be a full pc for me at this point... :-) [12:03] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7747265/why-in-mips-architecture-program-space-divided-into-4-areas [12:04] zmoylan-pi: yeah that would work for me, too - as a webdev I don't need powerful gfx or cpu - as long as it boots fairly quick and there's enough ram to have multiple applications open I'm happy [12:05] and if i need games i can fire up c64 emulator on my dumbphone... :-) [12:06] as a webdev don't you need to run firefox and chrome? and flash and html5 video? raspberry pi sucks at all these things [12:06] video would be a requirement [12:06] flash less so [12:06] nobody does flash these days [12:07] fair enough. basically youtube doesn't work very well on the pi [12:07] malware writers... :-P [12:07] zmoylan-pi: aye [12:08] several flash-installer-mimics have targeted the mac recently because they can't figure out how else to get into the OS [12:08] cor a motherboard doing the download of a BIOS update for you - what a brave new world [12:08] daftykins: :-o [12:08] daftykins: don't pull the plug! [12:08] next version will have pics of kittens in the bios to show while you wait... :-) [12:08] daftykins: it's erased the BIOS ROM and is flashing direct from the download :-p [12:09] :D [12:09] ah no it downloaded cats from imgur instead! [12:09] pull the ethernet and you'll get a corrupt flash :-p [12:09] biosKittens(tm) [12:09] *POST screen of cat in a PC case* [12:09] hopefully guernsytelecom aren't going to blip [12:09] :D [12:09] amusingly it was indeed once called that [12:10] GT or GiT for binary types [12:10] Cable and Wireless bought it, then a while back a Bahraini guy bought it from them [12:10] yey? [12:11] all your internets are routed through the UAE [12:11] hmm not bad for an open air setup noise wise with the stock intel heatsink and fan setup [12:11] just so you have no idea who owns/fiddles with your wires... [12:11] the stock intel heatsink+fan is quite good these days [12:11] AMD still haven't got the memo though [12:11] i used the one on the core 2 quad back in 2007 as well, they do just dandy :> [12:12] just gotta sit and play with the rotating corners to be sure it's in 'stay down' mode [12:12] aye [12:12] I quite like those for ease of install, but you have to be sure your pegs are through the board before you push the plunger [12:13] *nod* [12:13] i didn't even bother cleaning it up and using my premium arctic silver [12:13] :-o [12:15] now i play the waiting game for when new graphics cards are announced, June or Julyish [12:16] and then released in november in time to heat your house... :-) [12:16] \o/ [12:16] ^_^ [12:16] nah i think they'll be out late July, talk is they're only releasing the mid-range first, top end at the end of the year [12:17] this is the first time since 2010 that the manufacturing process is being reduced since the old 28nm standard in GPUs, so moving to 16nm or lower will be a huge change in efficiency === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:46] when do we get picometers? [12:46] doubt that'll happen in our lifetime [12:47] as soon as you give up feet and inches...? [12:47] my feet don't smell, so I don't need to get rid of them yet [12:47] me and diddledan sorely need our feet to insert into our mouths on regular occasion, eh dan? [12:47] heck yeah! [12:48] shouldn't that be "diddledan and I" though :-p [12:48] captain pedantic to the rescue... [12:48] \o/ [12:48] talks proper like wot i does [12:49] that's one of the subtler nuances of the lingo i never quite understood the need for :( [12:49] dat's not proper [12:49] https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uviwm78kqd30en/IMG_20160413_134814.jpg?dl=0 [12:49] thee and me [12:49] poor old setup, parts pinched [12:49] * diddledan pinches some parts unseen [12:50] i'm informed a new surface pro 4 has arrived at a clients ready for prodding [12:50] fondleslab! [12:51] can't say i hold much hope of it solving the last ones surprises [12:52] diddledan: i've changed my mind, your site pic needs to turn into an HTML5 video of you enacting a cheesy welcome [12:52] during which you don the hat! [12:53] this is gold. [12:53] full-HD [12:53] autoplay and autorepeat [12:53] yep, auto max volume [12:55] several different prompts for video-player installs, too [12:55] or. I should do it with JAVA [12:55] complete with a rippling water effect [14:21] anyone used berkeley DB? [15:12] Good morning peeps :) [15:12] \o howdy [15:14] * diddledan checks what time it is in UGT. yep. good morning. [15:15] boiler man says my boiler is 96% efficient [15:16] diddledan: did he turn it back on again after? *ba-dum-tish* [15:17] * diddledan sucks-in a sharp breath [15:17] ooh that's harsh! [15:17] how very dare thee [15:18] :D [15:18] what's your fuel type? [15:18] i have one o' them gas condensing boilers [15:19] the guernsey supply runs on LPG though which pales in comparison to the UK gas supply [15:19] gas [15:19] that's all I know [15:19] ah har [15:32] anyone seen this? http://perl11.org/ turns out perl isn't dead [15:33] I can't figure out where that leaves the unreleased perl6 [15:33] I'm wondering if it's gonna go the same way as PHP6 [16:04] https://youtu.be/hNjX_WX2y8A [16:07] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG2Nl2D-i8c (NSFW) [16:10] lol [16:18] lol: https://twitter.com/JoeRessington/status/720284913698783232 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === spanner is now known as Xack [20:50] what's up with freenode right now? [20:50] splitters! [20:50] it's FOSS [20:50] ;D [20:52] foreign online shaky servers? [20:53] (I couldn't think of anything more witty) [20:53] offline might be better [20:54] :D === _stowa_ is now known as _stowa [21:34] probably a loose cat5 cable somewhere... [21:36] 5 yep, telephone spec [21:36] :D [21:36] or someone tripped over a coax network cable somewhere... [21:39] some little scamp poked a staple in and ran off [21:39] * daftykins glances at diddledan [21:39] <.< [21:39] >.> [21:39] -.- [21:40] nailing network cables to wall. such a beneficial work creation scheme [21:40] just reboobed into windas. iTunes really want to sell start warts [21:40] you mean it didn't need updating first? [21:41] nuppers [21:41] all of windows is trying to update probably... [21:42] what irks me a bit about you saying that is Loonix updates more frequently and less consistently :) [21:42] wait, do people even use looknocks these days? [21:43] at least i can keep using an updating linux system while it updates [21:43] this year will be the year of Windows on the desktop, finally [21:44] err, i've never found that you can't [21:45] on windows you start up or shut down and updates are been installed. and necessary updates stop the whole show till they are done [21:46] or is that just a vista thing [21:46] only if it's on auto and you're an end user that doesn't do them when you're supposed to i'd say [21:47] it's folks that fight it and then eventually click the wrong thing in frustration that then get delayed from what they were doing 'cause they didn't take the time out :)