| zequence | zsyncing the ISO now. Still no change to ubiquity | 05:21 |
|---|---|---|
| zequence | Seems to install, and seems like everything is where it's supposed to be | 05:39 |
| zequence | Just realized the slideshow was still saying we include shotwell, so removed that | 05:52 |
| zequence | I'm not going to bother with this, so if someone else would like to fix this, be my guest. I'm about done with this cycle now. | 06:19 |
| zequence | Bug 1569697 | 06:19 |
| ubottu | bug 1569697 in ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme (Ubuntu) "ubuntustudio lightdm background is black before first login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569697 | 06:19 |
| cub | What was the channel for off topic? | 08:57 |
| sakrecoer | cub: #ubuntustudio-offtopic | 09:32 |
| sakrecoer | my tired eyes red 'zequencing the iso now' | 09:33 |
| sakrecoer | i think kryten had a fix but i also know he is busy elsewhere atm... i'll see if i can reach out and let him radiocontrol me :D | 09:34 |
| sakrecoer | re: bug 1569697 | 09:35 |
| ubottu | bug 1569697 in ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme (Ubuntu) "ubuntustudio lightdm background is black before first login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569697 | 09:35 |
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| sakrecoer | i've got a few very insightfull hints from krytarik about the lightdm issues, but he lacks time to assist me in doing it.. i understand about 77% of what needs to be done... anyone want to join me in squashing the bug? :) | 15:24 |
| krytarik | sakrecoer: Huh? I said it's not about *my* time - doing it right now. | 15:25 |
| sakrecoer | oh.. sorry, i missunderstood... not sure i grasp the difference.. however, i didn't mean to put a wrongfull light on you... | 15:32 |
| OvenWerks | checking new alsa-utils package. Some new QT5 stuff too. | 16:12 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: despite your email, the list of updates in the past few days is quite long :) | 16:28 |
| OvenWerks | though I do expect our changes will be low. | 16:29 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Right, there may be some changes to the base stuff | 16:31 |
| zequence | But, nothing in particular to the multimedia stuff, I would think, other than subsystems and pulseaudio | 16:32 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Did the alsa-utils thing get fixed? | 16:37 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: not sure yet, have to reboot again. The /run/alsa directory is still not there, but there is not a message about alsa in dmesg this time. | 16:39 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: the plymouth theme is much nicer. But on boot it goes by so fast as not to be seen :) | 16:40 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: alsa-utils is still not working. /run/alsa still does not exist. | 17:02 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: but then it did not exist in older versions than x either. | 17:23 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: alsa re/store has changed signifcantly from 14.04. | 17:26 |
| OvenWerks | even from early 16.04 | 17:29 |
| OvenWerks | will try by manually creating /run/alsa. | 17:48 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: tried manually creating /run/alsa... vanishes on reboot. | 18:00 |
| sakrecoer | was about time i tried the gnome-software center :D completly passed me by somehow.. | 18:01 |
| sakrecoer | (that would have been a good candidate for "favourites") | 18:09 |
| sakrecoer | good thing we kept greybird, the gnome window doesn't look to foreign next to it | 18:09 |
| OvenWerks | sakrecoer: why would you put a software installer in favourites? | 18:15 |
| OvenWerks | sakrecoer: it gets high use... (well once use to install synaptic) right after install... after which it never gets used again. | 18:17 |
| zequence | Software should have been put in favorites. We could still do it, though it's not exactly a critical bugfix | 18:17 |
| OvenWerks | favourites should only have applications people use almost every time they use the computer | 18:17 |
| zequence | Well, software is likely one of those | 18:18 |
| zequence | ..not counting nerds like us | 18:18 |
| OvenWerks | not after the first few days. | 18:18 |
| zequence | People don't even know it's there | 18:18 |
| zequence | Two things I'm missing from favorites, just to simplify things for people - software and system settings | 18:19 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: there is truth in that. It's item lable in the desktp file doesn't help. | 18:19 |
| OvenWerks | settings has it's own icon already. | 18:19 |
| zequence | Also, qjackctl has some merit being there | 18:19 |
| zequence | Yep, but it's not self evident for non XFCE people | 18:19 |
| OvenWerks | qjckctl +1 | 18:19 |
| zequence | I even didn't know right away where the logoff button was, not being used to Windows style | 18:20 |
| zequence | Used to having that in the top right corner with the system functions | 18:20 |
| OvenWerks | certainly settings in favourites would mirror the system appliactions menu. | 18:20 |
| OvenWerks | I think xubuntu has software in settings. | 18:21 |
| sakrecoer | OvenWerks: settings is always visible | 18:21 |
| sakrecoer | it's got super-favourite status :) | 18:22 |
| zequence | I wouldnt' care too much about duplicating things. Better it is really simple to find the important stuff | 18:22 |
| sakrecoer | :) yeah :) i was reflecting about software because it took we a while to find it first, until i searched... | 18:23 |
| sakrecoer | it's got a new name appart from having a new icon | 18:23 |
| sakrecoer | s/we/me | 18:23 |
| zequence | Don't think a regular user appreciates the amount of difficulty a new user may have | 18:24 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I was wrong, xuxbuntu has software in favourites. | 18:25 |
| OvenWerks | So we can follow that. | 18:25 |
| zequence | So, I would put those three there, actually. 1) qjackctl 2) software 3) system settings | 18:25 |
| sakrecoer | font manager? :p | 18:25 |
| zequence | Is that something one would use every day? | 18:26 |
| zequence | qjackctl is a really fundamental tool. You always start with that | 18:26 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: it is one right click to remove something from favourites after one gets tired of them :) | 18:26 |
| sakrecoer | if you work with graphcis, and have as many fonts as we distribute, you would use it a lot... but i'm not convinced it qualifies, so i'd say it doesn't | 18:26 |
| zequence | Also, should we disable the hover thing? Not sure how Xubuntu does that | 18:27 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I like hover because it means less clicks to get somewhere. | 18:27 |
| sakrecoer | xubuntu has the hover off last time i checked... i for one would like it removed | 18:27 |
| OvenWerks | I think I added that. feel free to take it out. | 18:27 |
| OvenWerks | hover is sort fo second best to using the applications menu. | 18:28 |
| OvenWerks | The applications menu is faster than whisker. But if people like whisker that is fine too. | 18:29 |
| zequence | Ok, so I'll prepare two bug reports, just to be pedantic about the two changes that we are making | 18:29 |
| zequence | So, anyone disagree with adding the three favorites I mentioned? | 18:29 |
| sakrecoer | i'm in favour | 18:30 |
| OvenWerks | as discussed. my likes are not important I agree it will help newbys | 18:31 |
| * OvenWerks will not be using whisker as his daily application starter. | 18:32 | |
| sakrecoer | your likes _are_ important OvenWerks :) | 18:32 |
| sakrecoer | but i get your point | 18:32 |
| zequence | Heck, I don't even use Ubuntu Studio as my daily system. But, I do use it in my studio | 18:32 |
| OvenWerks | sakrecoer: to a point, but ease of use for first time users is more important. | 18:32 |
| zequence | First Bug 1570051 | 18:33 |
| ubottu | bug 1570051 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "whisker menu is missing some favorites" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570051 | 18:33 |
| sakrecoer | i use ubuntustudio all day everyday :3 | 18:34 |
| sakrecoer | i also happen to be the newbiest of us all :D | 18:34 |
| zequence | I'm a Debian/Gnome person myself | 18:34 |
| zequence | I do rather use Ubuntu Studio in the studio. It comes alive there | 18:35 |
| sakrecoer | nice diaporama fix zequence. maybe we could have made a new screenshot of "software" but it would also imply changing the text.. and it works as is.. | 18:35 |
| OvenWerks | My personal desktop is US, but there is a server, two xubuntus and a kubuntu as well. (plus a raspian) | 18:36 |
| sakrecoer | ah, servers and rasps :p they work alone, if not they are badily configured :D | 18:36 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: What do you have on your server? ubuntu? | 18:36 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: yes. 14.04 | 18:37 |
| zequence | I actually use Ubuntu for my Steam machine as well, but for servers, only Debian | 18:37 |
| sakrecoer | my servers also run ubuntu | 18:37 |
| sakrecoer | main one is still 12.04 tho. the 14.04 one is collecting dust on a shelf atm | 18:37 |
| OvenWerks | the server is headless and cli only. | 18:38 |
| zequence | I have one rasbian too | 18:38 |
| sakrecoer | i put osmc on my my rasp | 18:38 |
| zequence | Bug 1570052 | 18:38 |
| ubottu | bug 1570052 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Hover setting in whisker menu was not intended and should be removed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570052 | 18:38 |
| OvenWerks | the RPi is going to be the brain for my HW control surface. | 18:38 |
| sakrecoer | nice OvenWerks ! :) | 18:39 |
| zequence | Oh, please confirm both bugs, just to be sure | 18:39 |
| OvenWerks | done, both confirmed | 18:40 |
| zequence | Thanks | 18:41 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I will also add it to the iso tracker. | 18:41 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I have added it to post install on the QA site so it will show in the "bugs to watch for" area. | 18:44 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Ok, thanks. | 18:44 |
| zequence | I'll be making the changes right away and uploading. With a little luck, they will have passed through before tomorrows build | 18:45 |
| OvenWerks | good. | 18:45 |
| zequence | If anyone would like to take a look at the lightdm bug, pleas do | 18:45 |
| sakrecoer | it seems kryten is fixing the lightdm bug | 18:45 |
| zequence | Oh, nice | 18:45 |
| sakrecoer | yes! <3 | 18:45 |
| zequence | krytarik: Is that true? Cause, then I'll wait with uploading until you're done | 18:46 |
| * OvenWerks didn't notice something wrong with lightdm. | 18:46 | |
| sakrecoer | OvenWerks: no background on first boot | 18:46 |
| sakrecoer | also the icon-theme is missing.. | 18:47 |
| OvenWerks | sakrecoer: Ah, no default bg then. | 18:47 |
| sakrecoer | i should probably file a bug for that one...? because i think krytarik is fixing that too.. | 18:47 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: That would be good, yeas | 18:48 |
| OvenWerks | I just wish it span screens though :) | 18:48 |
| sakrecoer | ok, going at it :) | 18:48 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: When I do these bug reports, I just go to http://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio and report it there. Then, I repurpose it for the package in question | 18:49 |
| zequence | If it were a linux bug, I would use the terminal, in comparison, to gather all the info about the system. Also | 18:49 |
| sakrecoer | ok, i'll do like that then :) | 18:50 |
| zequence | If I need a sponsor, I'm more particular with the bug reports | 18:50 |
| zequence | In this case, it's good to have bug reports so that the archive admin can see that I'm not uploading junk | 18:50 |
| sakrecoer | zequence: by "repurposing"... what do you mean? Changing the "Affects" field? | 18:52 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Exactly | 18:53 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Put the package name under "Package" and save | 18:53 |
| zequence | or, next to, to be more precise | 18:53 |
| sakrecoer | lightdm gives me loads of results ... | 18:54 |
| sakrecoer | but it is ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme right? | 18:54 |
| sakrecoer | or is it ubuntustudio-default-settings ? | 18:55 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: It's the theme, but, we seem to have somewhat duplicate stuff in -default-settings | 18:55 |
| zequence | So, I would use ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme in this case. If there are fixes in both packages, the bug will be mentioned in both | 18:56 |
| sakrecoer | ok thanks! :) | 18:56 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Right, you could add more packages, if you want. But, I'm not sure if both are involved | 18:56 |
| sakrecoer | Bug #1570056 | 18:57 |
| ubottu | bug 1570056 in ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme (Ubuntu) "Icon-theme missing in lightdm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570056 | 18:57 |
| zequence | A worse problem, btw. Just noticed. The keyboard layout in lightdm is in English for me | 18:58 |
| sakrecoer | ooops.. | 18:58 |
| zequence | We've had that in the past, but we fixed it by removing a package | 18:59 |
| zequence | I'll report that too. I wouldn't know right away how to fix it though | 18:59 |
| sakrecoer | zequence: you didn't change lightdm theme to numix it appears? i'm with it anyways, since we keep the greybird windows. | 19:01 |
| sakrecoer | i'm *fine with it | 19:01 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: No, I didn't. Next time maybe we can work out those details a little sooner. Felt like it wasn't worth stressing this time | 19:03 |
| zequence | Actually, I'll need to double check the keyboard layout | 19:04 |
| sakrecoer | i like it better likeit is now. i mean, i was out for "consistency" anyways :D | 19:05 |
| sakrecoer | doesn't make sense to have dark dialog boxes and bright app windows in my world :D better bright windows, period :) | 19:05 |
| zequence | Yep, the keyboard layout in my newly installed system is US English | 19:05 |
| zequence | Let's try to fix our own dark theme for next release, or at least before the next LTS | 19:06 |
| zequence | One thing I would like to get rolling is backports, so I will probably do that as a hobby this summer. | 19:07 |
| zequence | (though, I need to check what snappy means in the infrastructure of things first) | 19:07 |
| sakrecoer | zequence, i tried to create a new user with a password with characters that are different between swedish and english and i had no problem | 19:10 |
| sakrecoer | ah, but i see your chat now :) | 19:10 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: You should see the keyboard layout at the top bar | 19:10 |
| zequence | ..of the login window | 19:10 |
| zequence | Unless you changed it, it should be US English after a fresh install | 19:11 |
| zequence | If you haven't had that in an older installation, this may be due to a recent change | 19:11 |
| sakrecoer | i have it in swedish | 19:11 |
| zequence | We had this problem before. I'll need to look more into it, but don't have time more today. | 19:12 |
| zequence | Big 1570060 | 19:12 |
| zequence | Bug 1570060 | 19:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1570060 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Wrong keyboard layout with Ubuntu Studio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570060 | 19:12 |
| sakrecoer | but i picked swedish in the live-iso menu | 19:12 |
| sakrecoer | i realized that if i picked english, i had to set it appropriately when selecting the keyboard layout in the install dialogue when installing within a test-session | 19:13 |
| zequence | This is only in the login window. Not in the desktop session | 19:13 |
| sakrecoer | yes, yes | 19:13 |
| sakrecoer | it is in swedish here Sv_se | 19:13 |
| zequence | So, could be it is quite a recent change that does this then | 19:14 |
| zequence | Both my recent installs have this problem | 19:14 |
| sakrecoer | but like i said, if you pick english in the live-boot menu, you have to actively chose swedish layout in the install dialogue after | 19:14 |
| zequence | Yes, but that part works either way - the desktop gets the right keyboard layout | 19:14 |
| sakrecoer | i think it is in the order of input panels in the install dialogue | 19:14 |
| sakrecoer | no, it didn't | 19:15 |
| zequence | I did that way too, for one of my installations. Didn't make any difference | 19:15 |
| sakrecoer | i rebooted, because i had first picked english, and i couldn't type "@" in a terminal | 19:15 |
| zequence | You're talking about the live ISO now. Not the installation | 19:15 |
| zequence | If you want to confirm, do a new installation today to find out | 19:15 |
| sakrecoer | the isntallation from live-boot | 19:15 |
| zequence | You're talking about the keyboard layout during installation, not after it | 19:16 |
| zequence | Anyway, I have some work to do now. bbl | 19:16 |
| sakrecoer | zequence: once installed, i have it in swedish | 19:16 |
| sakrecoer | but the hole system is in swedish | 19:17 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Just do an install today to confirm, ok? | 19:18 |
| zequence | Otherwise, you are talking about something else | 19:18 |
| sakrecoer | i just did! | 19:19 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: You installed today, and the keyboard layout in the login window is in Swedish? | 19:19 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Is your language also in Swedish? (mine isn't) | 19:20 |
| zequence | I have two recent installs with the same problem. One of them I did just a few hours ago | 19:20 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Instead of rebooting next time, just go into system settings and change the keyboard layout there. Doing it in the boot menu will have no extra effect | 19:21 |
| sakrecoer | i installed it 20 minutes ago | 19:24 |
| sakrecoer | chosing swedish did affect my live-session, and then at install swedsih and swedish layout were already selected | 19:24 |
| zequence | the live session is irrelevant | 19:25 |
| sakrecoer | yes i know | 19:25 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: So, not only your keyboard layout is Swedish, but also the launguage setting, is that right? | 19:25 |
| sakrecoer | yes | 19:25 |
| zequence | Ok, so try using English language and Swedish keyboard layout | 19:26 |
| zequence | That at least gives a clue to the problem | 19:26 |
| zequence | ..when installing, that is | 19:26 |
| sakrecoer | ok i will try that | 19:26 |
| zequence | Probably whatever is selecting the keyboard layout is doing so based on language instead of keyboard layout | 19:48 |
| krytarik | zequence_, sakrecoer_: Done. | 20:49 |
| zequence_ | krytarik: Ok, thanks. Will check it out | 20:56 |
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| zequence | krytarik: Seems like you really cleaned up that package | 20:59 |
| zequence | krytarik: What does the option "keyboard=onboard" do? | 21:01 |
| krytarik | Yep, quite a bit. \o/ | 21:01 |
| krytarik | Link the accessibility thingy to the already installed Onboard. | 21:01 |
| zequence | Ah, right. Accessibility. | 21:02 |
| zequence | Ok, going to upload both packages now. | 21:02 |
| zequence | Some kind of problem with the changelog. | 21:03 |
| zequence | krytarik: Did you test build it? | 21:03 |
| zequence | krytarik: The other one was -default-settings | 21:04 |
| krytarik | Nope, didn't - no idea what that could be. | 21:05 |
| zequence | krytarik: April. On my Debian system, it needs to be abbreviated toApr | 21:07 |
| zequence | "Apr", that is | 21:07 |
| krytarik | Oh crap. | 21:07 |
| zequence | I'll fix it. | 21:08 |
| krytarik | Let me fix that. | 21:08 |
| zequence | I might as well, since I'm already doing it | 21:08 |
| zequence | Yep, that was it :) | 21:08 |
| krytarik | Nah, I want the history right. | 21:08 |
| zequence | Ok, be my guest then | 21:09 |
| zequence | krytarik: What are you using to edit the changelog. Not dch? | 21:09 |
| krytarik | Yeah, doing it manually still. :P | 21:10 |
| zequence | krytarik: Did you push yet? | 21:46 |
| krytarik | zequence: Yep, just. :P | 21:48 |
| krytarik | And sorry for the noise. :3 | 21:49 |
| zequence | krytarik: No problem. But, I would probably start using dch, just to make my life easier :) | 21:50 |
| krytarik | Yeah, I figure as well - every time I fiddle with that line manually. :P | 21:51 |
| zequence | krytarik: Hmm, you overwrote the bzr branch. I suppose it is legit to do sometimes, but it means the one who pulls must do the same | 21:57 |
| zequence | Not exactly the like the linux kernel repo with huge amounts of activity, but could potentially cause some headache | 21:58 |
| krytarik | Yeah, I know. :3 | 21:59 |
| sakrecoer_ | \o/ | 22:24 |
| sakrecoer_ | :'3 | 22:25 |
| sakrecoer_ | what is "noise" in this context? | 22:26 |
| krytarik | sakrecoer_: That I had to fix the "April" one - and on top of that '--overwrite'. :P | 22:27 |
| sakrecoer_ | ah, like side-effects, collateral damage to one's time? :D | 22:29 |
| krytarik | And possibly one's inbox, yes. :P | 22:32 |
| sakrecoer_ | aah of course! collateral damage thing didn't quite sound right in the situation.. | 22:34 |
| sakrecoer_ | zsynch is giving me a 7.1% diff since i synched earlier this evening :D is it already uploaded and build? | 22:37 |
| zequence | sakrecoer_: usually builds at around 20.00 | 22:40 |
| zequence | Or, before. I guess, UTC time. Not sure | 22:40 |
| zequence | There are rebuilds sometimes too | 22:41 |
| zequence | ..but not today | 22:41 |
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| sakrecoer | get that weird bug again with the "download updates while installing" geryed out. Says "no internet available" but im writing this from that machine.. | 23:31 |
| sakrecoer | bug 1561716 | 23:32 |
| ubottu | bug 1561716 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) ""Download updates while installing Ubuntu Studio" greyed out in installation dialogue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561716 | 23:32 |
| sakrecoer | hehe, earlier today failed to see shotwell is still in the slides... i guess the slides aren't uploaded yet, zequence ? | 23:41 |
| sakrecoer | zequence: confirming the keyboard layout bug. it set US english on the login screen. | 23:53 |
| sakrecoer | system is in english, and i specifically set the layout to swedish. once logged in its all good, but still, the password being hidden and all... | 23:55 |
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