[05:21] zsyncing the ISO now. Still no change to ubiquity [05:39] Seems to install, and seems like everything is where it's supposed to be [05:52] Just realized the slideshow was still saying we include shotwell, so removed that [06:19] I'm not going to bother with this, so if someone else would like to fix this, be my guest. I'm about done with this cycle now. [06:19] Bug 1569697 [06:19] bug 1569697 in ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme (Ubuntu) "ubuntustudio lightdm background is black before first login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569697 [08:57] What was the channel for off topic? [09:32] cub: #ubuntustudio-offtopic [09:33] my tired eyes red 'zequencing the iso now' [09:34] i think kryten had a fix but i also know he is busy elsewhere atm... i'll see if i can reach out and let him radiocontrol me :D [09:35] re: bug 1569697 [09:35] bug 1569697 in ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme (Ubuntu) "ubuntustudio lightdm background is black before first login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569697 === knome_ is now known as knome [15:24] i've got a few very insightfull hints from krytarik about the lightdm issues, but he lacks time to assist me in doing it.. i understand about 77% of what needs to be done... anyone want to join me in squashing the bug? :) [15:25] sakrecoer: Huh? I said it's not about *my* time - doing it right now. [15:32] oh.. sorry, i missunderstood... not sure i grasp the difference.. however, i didn't mean to put a wrongfull light on you... [16:12] checking new alsa-utils package. Some new QT5 stuff too. [16:28] zequence: despite your email, the list of updates in the past few days is quite long :) [16:29] though I do expect our changes will be low. [16:31] OvenWerks: Right, there may be some changes to the base stuff [16:32] But, nothing in particular to the multimedia stuff, I would think, other than subsystems and pulseaudio [16:37] OvenWerks: Did the alsa-utils thing get fixed? [16:39] zequence: not sure yet, have to reboot again. The /run/alsa directory is still not there, but there is not a message about alsa in dmesg this time. [16:40] zequence: the plymouth theme is much nicer. But on boot it goes by so fast as not to be seen :) [17:02] zequence: alsa-utils is still not working. /run/alsa still does not exist. [17:23] zequence: but then it did not exist in older versions than x either. [17:26] zequence: alsa re/store has changed signifcantly from 14.04. [17:29] even from early 16.04 [17:48] will try by manually creating /run/alsa. [18:00] zequence: tried manually creating /run/alsa... vanishes on reboot. [18:01] was about time i tried the gnome-software center :D completly passed me by somehow.. [18:09] (that would have been a good candidate for "favourites") [18:09] good thing we kept greybird, the gnome window doesn't look to foreign next to it [18:15] sakrecoer: why would you put a software installer in favourites? [18:17] sakrecoer: it gets high use... (well once use to install synaptic) right after install... after which it never gets used again. [18:17] Software should have been put in favorites. We could still do it, though it's not exactly a critical bugfix [18:17] favourites should only have applications people use almost every time they use the computer [18:18] Well, software is likely one of those [18:18] ..not counting nerds like us [18:18] not after the first few days. [18:18] People don't even know it's there [18:19] Two things I'm missing from favorites, just to simplify things for people - software and system settings [18:19] zequence: there is truth in that. It's item lable in the desktp file doesn't help. [18:19] settings has it's own icon already. [18:19] Also, qjackctl has some merit being there [18:19] Yep, but it's not self evident for non XFCE people [18:19] qjckctl +1 [18:20] I even didn't know right away where the logoff button was, not being used to Windows style [18:20] Used to having that in the top right corner with the system functions [18:20] certainly settings in favourites would mirror the system appliactions menu. [18:21] I think xubuntu has software in settings. [18:21] OvenWerks: settings is always visible [18:22] it's got super-favourite status :) [18:22] I wouldnt' care too much about duplicating things. Better it is really simple to find the important stuff [18:23] :) yeah :) i was reflecting about software because it took we a while to find it first, until i searched... [18:23] it's got a new name appart from having a new icon [18:23] s/we/me [18:24] Don't think a regular user appreciates the amount of difficulty a new user may have [18:25] zequence: I was wrong, xuxbuntu has software in favourites. [18:25] So we can follow that. [18:25] So, I would put those three there, actually. 1) qjackctl 2) software 3) system settings [18:25] font manager? :p [18:26] Is that something one would use every day? [18:26] qjackctl is a really fundamental tool. You always start with that [18:26] zequence: it is one right click to remove something from favourites after one gets tired of them :) [18:26] if you work with graphcis, and have as many fonts as we distribute, you would use it a lot... but i'm not convinced it qualifies, so i'd say it doesn't [18:27] Also, should we disable the hover thing? Not sure how Xubuntu does that [18:27] zequence: I like hover because it means less clicks to get somewhere. [18:27] xubuntu has the hover off last time i checked... i for one would like it removed [18:27] I think I added that. feel free to take it out. [18:28] hover is sort fo second best to using the applications menu. [18:29] The applications menu is faster than whisker. But if people like whisker that is fine too. [18:29] Ok, so I'll prepare two bug reports, just to be pedantic about the two changes that we are making [18:29] So, anyone disagree with adding the three favorites I mentioned? [18:30] i'm in favour [18:31] as discussed. my likes are not important I agree it will help newbys [18:32] * OvenWerks will not be using whisker as his daily application starter. [18:32] your likes _are_ important OvenWerks :) [18:32] but i get your point [18:32] Heck, I don't even use Ubuntu Studio as my daily system. But, I do use it in my studio [18:32] sakrecoer: to a point, but ease of use for first time users is more important. [18:33] First Bug 1570051 [18:33] bug 1570051 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "whisker menu is missing some favorites" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570051 [18:34] i use ubuntustudio all day everyday :3 [18:34] i also happen to be the newbiest of us all :D [18:34] I'm a Debian/Gnome person myself [18:35] I do rather use Ubuntu Studio in the studio. It comes alive there [18:35] nice diaporama fix zequence. maybe we could have made a new screenshot of "software" but it would also imply changing the text.. and it works as is.. [18:36] My personal desktop is US, but there is a server, two xubuntus and a kubuntu as well. (plus a raspian) [18:36] ah, servers and rasps :p they work alone, if not they are badily configured :D [18:36] OvenWerks: What do you have on your server? ubuntu? [18:37] zequence: yes. 14.04 [18:37] I actually use Ubuntu for my Steam machine as well, but for servers, only Debian [18:37] my servers also run ubuntu [18:37] main one is still 12.04 tho. the 14.04 one is collecting dust on a shelf atm [18:38] the server is headless and cli only. [18:38] I have one rasbian too [18:38] i put osmc on my my rasp [18:38] Bug 1570052 [18:38] bug 1570052 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Hover setting in whisker menu was not intended and should be removed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570052 [18:38] the RPi is going to be the brain for my HW control surface. [18:39] nice OvenWerks ! :) [18:39] Oh, please confirm both bugs, just to be sure [18:40] done, both confirmed [18:41] Thanks [18:41] zequence: I will also add it to the iso tracker. [18:44] zequence: I have added it to post install on the QA site so it will show in the "bugs to watch for" area. [18:44] OvenWerks: Ok, thanks. [18:45] I'll be making the changes right away and uploading. With a little luck, they will have passed through before tomorrows build [18:45] good. [18:45] If anyone would like to take a look at the lightdm bug, pleas do [18:45] it seems kryten is fixing the lightdm bug [18:45] Oh, nice [18:45] yes! <3 [18:46] krytarik: Is that true? Cause, then I'll wait with uploading until you're done [18:46] * OvenWerks didn't notice something wrong with lightdm. [18:46] OvenWerks: no background on first boot [18:47] also the icon-theme is missing.. [18:47] sakrecoer: Ah, no default bg then. [18:47] i should probably file a bug for that one...? because i think krytarik is fixing that too.. [18:48] sakrecoer: That would be good, yeas [18:48] I just wish it span screens though :) [18:48] ok, going at it :) [18:49] sakrecoer: When I do these bug reports, I just go to http://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio and report it there. Then, I repurpose it for the package in question [18:49] If it were a linux bug, I would use the terminal, in comparison, to gather all the info about the system. Also [18:50] ok, i'll do like that then :) [18:50] If I need a sponsor, I'm more particular with the bug reports [18:50] In this case, it's good to have bug reports so that the archive admin can see that I'm not uploading junk [18:52] zequence: by "repurposing"... what do you mean? Changing the "Affects" field? [18:53] sakrecoer: Exactly [18:53] sakrecoer: Put the package name under "Package" and save [18:53] or, next to, to be more precise [18:54] lightdm gives me loads of results ... [18:54] but it is ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme right? [18:55] or is it ubuntustudio-default-settings ? [18:55] sakrecoer: It's the theme, but, we seem to have somewhat duplicate stuff in -default-settings [18:56] So, I would use ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme in this case. If there are fixes in both packages, the bug will be mentioned in both [18:56] ok thanks! :) [18:56] sakrecoer: Right, you could add more packages, if you want. But, I'm not sure if both are involved [18:57] Bug #1570056 [18:57] bug 1570056 in ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme (Ubuntu) "Icon-theme missing in lightdm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570056 [18:58] A worse problem, btw. Just noticed. The keyboard layout in lightdm is in English for me [18:58] ooops.. [18:59] We've had that in the past, but we fixed it by removing a package [18:59] I'll report that too. I wouldn't know right away how to fix it though [19:01] zequence: you didn't change lightdm theme to numix it appears? i'm with it anyways, since we keep the greybird windows. [19:01] i'm *fine with it [19:03] sakrecoer: No, I didn't. Next time maybe we can work out those details a little sooner. Felt like it wasn't worth stressing this time [19:04] Actually, I'll need to double check the keyboard layout [19:05] i like it better likeit is now. i mean, i was out for "consistency" anyways :D [19:05] doesn't make sense to have dark dialog boxes and bright app windows in my world :D better bright windows, period :) [19:05] Yep, the keyboard layout in my newly installed system is US English [19:06] Let's try to fix our own dark theme for next release, or at least before the next LTS [19:07] One thing I would like to get rolling is backports, so I will probably do that as a hobby this summer. [19:07] (though, I need to check what snappy means in the infrastructure of things first) [19:10] zequence, i tried to create a new user with a password with characters that are different between swedish and english and i had no problem [19:10] ah, but i see your chat now :) [19:10] sakrecoer: You should see the keyboard layout at the top bar [19:10] ..of the login window [19:11] Unless you changed it, it should be US English after a fresh install [19:11] If you haven't had that in an older installation, this may be due to a recent change [19:11] i have it in swedish [19:12] We had this problem before. I'll need to look more into it, but don't have time more today. [19:12] Big 1570060 [19:12] Bug 1570060 [19:12] bug 1570060 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Wrong keyboard layout with Ubuntu Studio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570060 [19:12] but i picked swedish in the live-iso menu [19:13] i realized that if i picked english, i had to set it appropriately when selecting the keyboard layout in the install dialogue when installing within a test-session [19:13] This is only in the login window. Not in the desktop session [19:13] yes, yes [19:13] it is in swedish here Sv_se [19:14] So, could be it is quite a recent change that does this then [19:14] Both my recent installs have this problem [19:14] but like i said, if you pick english in the live-boot menu, you have to actively chose swedish layout in the install dialogue after [19:14] Yes, but that part works either way - the desktop gets the right keyboard layout [19:14] i think it is in the order of input panels in the install dialogue [19:15] no, it didn't [19:15] I did that way too, for one of my installations. Didn't make any difference [19:15] i rebooted, because i had first picked english, and i couldn't type "@" in a terminal [19:15] You're talking about the live ISO now. Not the installation [19:15] If you want to confirm, do a new installation today to find out [19:15] the isntallation from live-boot [19:16] You're talking about the keyboard layout during installation, not after it [19:16] Anyway, I have some work to do now. bbl [19:16] zequence: once installed, i have it in swedish [19:17] but the hole system is in swedish [19:18] sakrecoer: Just do an install today to confirm, ok? [19:18] Otherwise, you are talking about something else [19:19] i just did! [19:19] sakrecoer: You installed today, and the keyboard layout in the login window is in Swedish? [19:20] sakrecoer: Is your language also in Swedish? (mine isn't) [19:20] I have two recent installs with the same problem. One of them I did just a few hours ago [19:21] sakrecoer: Instead of rebooting next time, just go into system settings and change the keyboard layout there. Doing it in the boot menu will have no extra effect [19:24] i installed it 20 minutes ago [19:24] chosing swedish did affect my live-session, and then at install swedsih and swedish layout were already selected [19:25] the live session is irrelevant [19:25] yes i know [19:25] sakrecoer: So, not only your keyboard layout is Swedish, but also the launguage setting, is that right? [19:25] yes [19:26] Ok, so try using English language and Swedish keyboard layout [19:26] That at least gives a clue to the problem [19:26] ..when installing, that is [19:26] ok i will try that [19:48] Probably whatever is selecting the keyboard layout is doing so based on language instead of keyboard layout [20:49] zequence_, sakrecoer_: Done. [20:56] krytarik: Ok, thanks. Will check it out === zequence_ is now known as zequence === \b is now known as benonsoftware [20:59] krytarik: Seems like you really cleaned up that package [21:01] krytarik: What does the option "keyboard=onboard" do? [21:01] Yep, quite a bit. \o/ [21:01] Link the accessibility thingy to the already installed Onboard. [21:02] Ah, right. Accessibility. [21:02] Ok, going to upload both packages now. [21:03] Some kind of problem with the changelog. [21:03] krytarik: Did you test build it? [21:04] krytarik: The other one was -default-settings [21:05] Nope, didn't - no idea what that could be. [21:07] krytarik: April. On my Debian system, it needs to be abbreviated toApr [21:07] "Apr", that is [21:07] Oh crap. [21:08] I'll fix it. [21:08] Let me fix that. [21:08] I might as well, since I'm already doing it [21:08] Yep, that was it :) [21:08] Nah, I want the history right. [21:09] Ok, be my guest then [21:09] krytarik: What are you using to edit the changelog. Not dch? [21:10] Yeah, doing it manually still. :P [21:46] krytarik: Did you push yet? [21:48] zequence: Yep, just. :P [21:49] And sorry for the noise. :3 [21:50] krytarik: No problem. But, I would probably start using dch, just to make my life easier :) [21:51] Yeah, I figure as well - every time I fiddle with that line manually. :P [21:57] krytarik: Hmm, you overwrote the bzr branch. I suppose it is legit to do sometimes, but it means the one who pulls must do the same [21:58] Not exactly the like the linux kernel repo with huge amounts of activity, but could potentially cause some headache [21:59] Yeah, I know. :3 [22:24] \o/ [22:25] :'3 [22:26] what is "noise" in this context? [22:27] sakrecoer_: That I had to fix the "April" one - and on top of that '--overwrite'. :P [22:29] ah, like side-effects, collateral damage to one's time? :D [22:32] And possibly one's inbox, yes. :P [22:34] aah of course! collateral damage thing didn't quite sound right in the situation.. [22:37] zsynch is giving me a 7.1% diff since i synched earlier this evening :D is it already uploaded and build? [22:40] sakrecoer_: usually builds at around 20.00 [22:40] Or, before. I guess, UTC time. Not sure [22:41] There are rebuilds sometimes too [22:41] ..but not today === sakrecoer_ is now known as sakrecoer [23:31] get that weird bug again with the "download updates while installing" geryed out. Says "no internet available" but im writing this from that machine.. [23:32] bug 1561716 [23:32] bug 1561716 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) ""Download updates while installing Ubuntu Studio" greyed out in installation dialogue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561716 [23:41] hehe, earlier today failed to see shotwell is still in the slides... i guess the slides aren't uploaded yet, zequence ? [23:53] zequence: confirming the keyboard layout bug. it set US english on the login screen. [23:55] system is in english, and i specifically set the layout to swedish. once logged in its all good, but still, the password being hidden and all...