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cyphermoxUnit193: no, not the same01:02
cyphermoxI'm also really curious how you get to end up with permission denied errors -- please file a bug and mention exactly what language/keyboard/timezone you use01:03
Unit193Very carefully?  English, en_US, EST/EDT.  Nothing abnormal in the selection, just the ISO.  Will look into a bug.03:48
flocculantknome: cheers - checked that out - found the deliberate typo and fixed it too :)06:42
knome:D06:42
flocculantthat's all at least there now then I believe06:43
knomemmh06:43
knomeso06:43
knomei have a plan06:43
knomeso instead of the current schedule06:44
flocculantso do I06:44
knomewhich leaves tomorrow clear06:44
knomecan we publish something tomorrow too?06:44
knomeor do you want to keep that day clear?06:44
flocculantpanels today? 06:44
knomeyep06:44
knomethen the other media manager tomorrow06:44
knomeand wallpaper on friday06:45
flocculantwfm06:45
knomethen the winner announcement on tuesday06:45
flocculantyep 06:45
knomeyeah, good06:45
flocculantworks for me06:45
flocculantjjfrv8: did you actually see lo with the wrong icons in the iso? I don't 07:03
knomebbl07:20
flocculantknome: qt always catches me out - more or less installed first thing on any of my installs - added info to the tomahawk stanza :)07:25
ochosibluesabre: agreed, we need a strategy how to get meaningful appstream icons for xfce09:02
bluesabreflocculant: updated the release notes, dropped mugshot and blueman bugs that were fixed10:28
knome_flocculant, thanks10:31
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bluesabreknome: perhaps we should hide the imagemagick entries? do they work under any circumstance?10:32
knomebluesabre, they should be hidden10:32
knomebluesabre, i don't think they are very useful even if they "work"10:32
bluesabrecool, I'll plan on hiding them with xubuntu-default-settings then10:32
knomebluesabre, they can be more useful when right-clicking an image, then showing stuff in the imagemagick "display"10:32
knomebut even then it's a bit moot for us since we have ristretto10:33
bluesabregotcha10:33
bluesabreI'll just "NoDisplay=true" them10:34
knomeack10:34
knomewill you hide the website/contribute items too ? :P10:34
bluesabredo we want to hide those?10:36
knomeyes indeed10:36
bluesabreflocculant: I can't seem to reproduce this https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/152946910:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1529469 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "State of "Hide from menus" is not saved upon application restart" [Medium,Confirmed]10:36
bluesabreknome: why? We put them there, do we no longer want them in the menu?10:36
knomewe are now linking to them in the documentation startpage10:36
bluesabreok10:36
bluesabrewant to create a bug report for that?10:37
knomethere is one10:37
bluesabrewhere?10:37
bluesabre:D10:37
knomelet me dig that up for you10:37
knome...from the tracker10:37
knomehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/153774210:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1537742 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) ""Contribute to Xubuntu" and "Xubuntu Website" menu items on the desktop right-click menu" [Undecided,Confirmed]10:37
bluesabreaha10:38
knome:P10:38
bluesabresomehow missed that, was I pinged?10:38
bluesabre(probably)10:38
knomei'm pretty sure10:38
knomeit's ok10:38
knome...as long as you land the fix before the release >:D10:38
bluesabre>.<10:38
bluesabrewife is back from chicago now... she might be upset when I say that I am going to work on xubuntu all night :D10:39
knomehahah10:39
bluesabre"it's for... the users!"10:39
knome"but you were in chicago too when i wanted to be with you!"10:39
bluesabreheh, I might use that10:39
knomehaha10:40
knomeok, bbl again10:46
flocculantbluesabre: neither can I now - removed it11:15
flocculantthanks for changing release note too :)11:15
bluesabreflocculant: thanks11:20
bluesabreI *might* have a new xubuntu-default-settings uploaded this morning removing the imagemagick and contribute/website launchers11:21
bluesabreworking on this now11:21
flocculantok :)11:21
flocculantdon't do it later - wife's back from chicago  :p11:22
bluesabre:P11:23
flocculantgot 16.10 bug blueprint done - I'll move the suspend thing 11:23
bluesabrenice!11:23
flocculantso if there are more confirmed but not done - somewhere to move them and make knome stop looking at the burndown :p11:24
bluesabre:D11:27
flocculantbluesabre: bug 1513590 is still on the list - but I thought this was actually behaviour - in which case it can be invalid'd11:48
ubottubug 1513590 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "unable to delete items in menulibre" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151359011:48
flocculantand bug 1515184 must have been fixed amongst others - I'd already asked for confirmation and marked incomplete a week or so back11:49
ubottubug 1515184 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "Crash when selecting a category in a new entry" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151518411:49
flocculantbbl11:50
jjfrv8flocculant, aye, noticed it right away: http://i.imgur.com/9YIhUeU.png12:04
Unit193bluesabre: You removed jockey too when you removed xds-potfiles.13:52
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flocculantjjfrv8: oh crud14:58
flocculantthat's why I asked - that bug you linked was about breeze being the default - hence me asking 14:59
flocculantseems we've now got galaxy :)14:59
Unit193bluesabre: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.html 3.9.8 is out.15:07
Unit193(Entirely irrelevant, but shhhush.)15:08
flocculantbah and humbug15:24
flocculantjjfrv8: reporting new bug - different issue 15:24
flocculantbug 1569968 needs to be marked as High I would think ;)15:29
ubottubug 1569968 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice in Xubuntu should use Elementary as default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156996815:29
flocculantbluesabre: just in case you don't read the whole log - read that ^^ :)15:35
Nairwolfhi everyone ;) 16:34
NairwolfI've noticed something at http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/getting-started.html16:34
Nairwolftracker.xubuntu.org doesn't seem to work. Are you sure you wanted to have this link ? 16:35
flocculantnope - it's different now16:41
Nairwolfok, so what is the new link ? 16:42
flocculantdev.xubuntu.org16:43
Nairwolfhow can I edit ? 16:44
Nairwolftell me one, and I will remember how to do, flocculant ;)16:44
Nairwolftell me once.16:44
Unit193bzr lp:xubuntu-docs16:45
Nairwolfthanks16:46
flocculantbut not this time ... 16:47
flocculanthttps://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/fixlink/+merge/29179516:48
Unit193Hah.  Also may want to check current code before poking/looking into things.16:48
Nairwolfok ;)16:48
Nairwolfyou're so fast flocculant !16:48
flocculantdidn't know you were going to want to do it - so rather than it get forgotten :)16:52
Unit193I have some crap pending, but has to wait for y to open.16:52
Unit193Yawning Yak.16:53
flocculantfor cont docs? 16:53
Unit193Build stuff.16:53
flocculantI think they should 16.10.D until october then lost the .D16:54
flocculantnames are boring now :)16:54
drcNow?16:54
flocculantdrc: yea - can't think of a good Y name ;)16:54
Unit193Even if you could, he wouldn't use it.16:55
* drc doesn't want to sound too heretical, but thought they were silly from the beginning 16:56
Unit193Meh, Debian uses them too.  Though I would like a symlink from 'develop' or something to use in the changelog. :P16:57
flocculantdrc doesn't 16:57
drccan't remember them16:58
pavlushkaHello everyone!17:54
pavlushkaflocculant: I installed 32bit and 64bit of todays iso's, so far its working.17:54
flocculantPaulW2U: just so you know - I've demoted the image test on the tracker to optional now that we're at the stage where there should be enough other tests going on18:12
flocculantit was only really as stop-gap if they got autotests on flavours going 18:12
flocculantpavlushka: that's nice - but at this point in the cycle - if it's not on the tracker then I won't know about it 18:13
flocculantnor will I remember18:13
flocculantnor do I want to be told daily 18:13
flocculantI check the tracker - that's what I'm interested in ;)18:13
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Unit193Oh right... Apport crashes when you try to report.  That's why I didn't file anything.18:55
flocculantwith your iso? 19:14
Unit193Yeah, but only when ubiquity launched it. :P19:14
Unit193I filed that bug no problem, there's a number somwhere.19:15
pavlushkaflocculant: bug 1569968 happens to me too.19:29
ubottubug 1569968 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice in Xubuntu should use Elementary as installation default not just live session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156996819:29
Unit193No crap.19:30
pavlushkaUnit193: sorry, have I said anything wrong?19:31
flocculantpavlushka: I know - I could have told you before - it's going to happen to everyone using a 16.04 xubuntu iso 19:31
Unit193I can fix that. :319:32
flocculant:)19:33
Unit193flocculant: LP 1557739 I didn't just ignore it, though I did forget that I'd filed it.19:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1557739 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-bug crashed with termios.error in raw_input_char(): (25, 'Inappropriate ioctl for device')" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155773919:34
pavlushka:)19:35
flocculantUnit193: probably would have me too'd it :)19:36
Unit193flocculant: I made a special spin of Core with firefox last night/this morning so I could do stuff like that more easily. :P19:37
flocculant:)19:39
flocculantI know that I tried to 'boot core - install firefox - install core - use apport' last but one time - but it still just failed19:40
flocculantie apport wandering off into the blue19:40
Unit193...That is fantastic, the weird indicator crap goes away if I change themes.19:42
Unit193Right, so same theme on two different computers, both Xenial, and only one shows the problem?19:53
drcdifferent video card/driver?19:55
Unit193Yeah, wouldn't think that'd do it, but suppose weirder things..19:58
drcI always start with the blatently obvious...'cause if I don't it always comes back to bite me in the....20:00
Unit193http://launchpadlibrarian.net/253668619/ubiquity_2.21.57_source.changes20:03
Nairwolfflocculant: it's not possible to make a screenshot when you're opening something from the panel ? 20:10
Unit193Set a delay.20:11
flocculantyes it is :) you just have to screenshot whole window - start it then delay it for x seconds20:11
NairwolfI'm actualy running with the daily 16.04, I've found it's really difficult to determine the power of wifi network, and I wanted to show you that with a screenshot 20:11
Nairwolfoh, ok20:11
knomepleia2, social media time!20:12
Nairwolfno, it's not obvius. How can I start a delay ? 20:12
ochosiNairwolf: the signal quality of wifi is shown with icons used by nm-applet, i don't think that there's a lot we can do about that20:12
ochosiand evening everyone20:12
Nairwolfhi ochosi20:12
* flocculant suspects knome and ochosi are the same person - just pretending to show up at the same time20:12
ochosiknome: darn, he made us!20:13
flocculantoh no I didn't20:13
knomehuh20:13
knome:P20:13
flocculantthat'd be your parents - just the one set :p20:13
knomepleia2, https://xubuntu.org/news/small-details-panel-layouts/ out and tweeted20:13
flocculantknome: did you double check my recent changes to that? 20:14
knomeNO20:14
knomeoops20:14
knome:P20:14
flocculant:p20:14
flocculantha ha ha 20:14
knomei'm sure they are good20:14
flocculantmade up as well :D20:15
flocculantochosi: you probably didn't see Sean's ping from me ... not going to like it ... 20:16
flocculantbug 156996820:16
ubottubug 1569968 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice in Xubuntu should use Elementary as installation default not just live session" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156996820:16
Nairwolfochosi: Do you think it deserve to report a bug ? Look this screenshot : https://i.imgur.com/sFv0dw0.png20:17
NairwolfI can't really distincte the power level...20:17
ochosiNairwolf: is that a clean install and did you not change anything there?20:18
flocculantNairwolf: do you mean in the drop down menu? 20:18
ochosiNairwolf: it looks to me as though you fiddled with the icon theme setting, by default it should look ok20:18
Nairwolfyes, it's a clean install20:19
Nairwolfwith the last daily20:19
Nairwolfand I don't have change anything...20:19
Nairwolfit's with real hardware20:19
Nairwolfflocculant: Yes, when you choose a wi-fi network. You can't really distinguish the level of wifi power. 20:20
flocculantochosi: I'll boot up my laptop from the other day20:20
flocculantwhile you facepalm at the lo bug 20:20
ochosiweird, those icons come from humanity20:20
ochosido we really have that installed?20:20
flocculantyup20:21
Nairwolfby the way. Can I have write access to the wiki in order to add my name and my computer to this list :http://wiki.xubuntu.org/qa/teamhardware ?20:21
Unit193I missed that page.20:23
ochosiflocculant: what? what pulls in humanity?20:23
flocculantochosi: wants to remove ubuntu-mono* and add adwaita-icon-theme-full if I purge humanity20:23
flocculantNairwolf: knome has keys to there20:24
ochosigreat. packaging hell20:24
flocculantUnit193: it's the old wiki one moved to our one20:24
ochosieither way, i can't reproduce this right now because my vbox doesn't have wifi enabledd20:24
flocculantochosi: I just grabbed a scrrenshot from here 20:25
ochosiyes..?20:25
* ochosi waits patiently20:25
Nairwolfguys look this also : https://i.imgur.com/hDFgKkJ.png20:26
NairwolfI promise I don't have touch anything20:26
* flocculant will just purge humanity and do another one20:26
Nairwolfelementary Xfce darker was already selected20:26
NairwolfAnd the web icon for Adwaita seems weird20:26
ochosiyeah, but that's adwaita's problem20:26
knomeNairwolf, PM me your email and preferred nick and username and i'll create an account for you,20:27
ochosielementary-xfce-darker is the default theme, so that's ok20:27
ochosiflocculant: you might also have to throw away the ubuntu-mono icon themes btw20:27
ochosiand again, no idea why we need those20:28
ochosiprobably should've dropped adwaita-full then20:28
Nairwolfochosi: okay for elementary-xfce-darker, but i've understood what I have with Wi-Fi power is from humanity theme...20:28
NairwolfDo you advise me to file a report, guys ? 20:29
NairwolfDo you want I retry a fresh install ? (Il will not be done tonight)20:29
ochosiNairwolf: yes, it's possible that nm-applet changed their icon names and elementary-xfce doesn't include the new names yet20:29
ochosijust wait a few mins until i get flocculant's screenshots20:29
Nairwolfok20:29
flocculantochosi: be right with you 20:30
Nairwolfok, I think I will file the bug tomorrow...20:37
NairwolfI need to go to bed soon...20:39
pavlushkagood night guys!20:43
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flocculantochosi: sorry - seems I lost connection - did you get those screenshot links? 20:47
ochosi_flocculant: nope20:48
flocculantochosi: so - this is default http://imgur.com/EinxNRu20:48
flocculantthis is with human purging and whatever it wanted, then a logout and in - http://imgur.com/cMOpqBS20:48
ochosi_thanks. so all is good and Nairwolf's bug doesn't affect you20:51
ochosi_hence i presume it doesn't affect clean installs20:51
flocculantI'd guess not - that install was really recent20:51
flocculantnot sure exactly how recent - just booted it to one of the older ones to see LO there20:52
flocculantmmm 20:54
flocculantseems that LO had galaxy there on install20:54
* flocculant failed to notice that20:54
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flocculantochosi_: that install is 2 days old btw21:00
Nairwolfochosi_: I'm not sure to understand21:02
Nairwolfmy install was really really recent21:02
Nairwolfwith the 13.04.16 daily21:03
flocculantknome: what's up with dev tracker - appears to have lost all the bugs from there21:03
flocculantor not21:04
flocculantwould think it was me going mad - but I bet you're fiddling :)21:05
ochosi_Nairwolf: strange then, guess we need another test install at least to know for sure21:06
ochosi_but tbh i'd be surprised if the bug you see is persistent21:07
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flocculantochosi_: I could knock out a test from live quickish if you want21:08
ochosithat'd be awesome21:08
ochosii'll be back in abouot 40mins21:08
ochosiwould the test be done by then?21:08
flocculantlive certainly will be21:09
flocculantmight be able to do an install by then as well21:09
ochosiyeah, install would be great, just to be sure21:10
flocculantyup21:10
ochosiok, bbiab21:10
NairwolfI need to sleep now, I will make a new test tomorrow21:13
flocculantNairwolf: good night - thanks for testing 21:13
Nairwolfthank you ;) I'm exciting with the release soon ! 21:14
flocculant:)21:14
pleia2knome: thanks, shared21:25
Unit193flocculant: New core seems to work fine. :P21:25
flocculantUnit193: \o/21:26
flocculantI'll look21:26
flocculanttomorrow ... 21:26
Unit193Hah. :P21:26
flocculantmmm21:42
flocculantochosi's gorn ... 21:42
flocculantso am I - so can someone tell him 21:42
flocculantlive > http://i.imgur.com/d9MF7y8.png21:42
flocculantinstalled > http://i.imgur.com/U5YJlXd.png21:43
flocculantlooks easy enough to distinguish wifi levels - even with my eyes without glasses21:43
flocculantnight all :)21:44
knomeflocculant, it's a known bug... it loses them sometimes, but gets them most of the times21:47
knomeflocculant, it's related to something timing out21:47
bluesabreUnit193: I didn't see jockey in there21:55
ochosiflocculant: seems i disconnected again... how did your tests go?21:57
flocculantlive > http://i.imgur.com/d9MF7y8.png21:57
Unit193ochosi: https://paste.unit193.net/?5ccf738d5244303a#c6WJzG+1gxXuaFo5V3JDXyO0tE5XPKJoWpuprfrmJ+w=21:57
ochosihmm, that's not perfect21:58
flocculantUnit193: I hadn't quite gone - was in the kitchen21:58
flocculantknome: ack - wasn't sure :)21:58
Unit193bluesabre: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/610 see it in the diff?21:58
ochosislightly weird, because the lock icons in the wifi icons should be dark too21:58
ochosiat least they are in 15.1021:59
knomeflocculant, i'll try to fix that for yy...21:59
ochosibut at least we're not looking at a big issue21:59
flocculantright21:59
flocculantright21:59
flocculant:)21:59
ochosiflocculant: did you manage to get an install too?21:59
Unit193bluesabre: Was more an FYI and all.  Also, exclude in the menu file rather than u/s/x/a/?  I presume I missed context so will presume that's correct.  Good evening, kind sir!21:59
flocculantochosi: installed > http://i.imgur.com/U5YJlXd.png21:59
ochosiright22:00
Unit193left22:00
ochosithanks flocculant!22:00
flocculantochosi: also that's what Unit193's paste was - I was going, but hadn't quite22:00
flocculantnow I am :)22:00
ochosialright alright :)22:00
ochosisame here ;)22:00
ochosithanks btw Unit193 22:00
flocculantnight all 22:00
flocculantbluesabre: before I do - one last comment - cleaned up 16.04 bug blueprint22:01
flocculantunfortunately there's a new one ... 22:01
bluesabrehey Unit19322:02
bluesabreI mean, there is no jockey.desktop.in.h file in there22:02
ochosii wonder whether this icon (dark wifi, light lock icon) even exists in elementary-xfce... it's such a weird and useless hybrid that i somehow cannot image22:02
bluesabreUnit193: hid it in the menu instead of killing it with a new launcher since it can still be used for the mimetype associations22:02
Unit193Wondered if that was the case.22:02
ochosianyhow, time for be22:03
ochosid22:03
ochosinight everyone!22:03
bluesabrenighty ochosi22:03
Unit193G'night.22:03
bluesabreflocculant: thanks, I'll work on fixing some bugs tonight22:03
ochosi(if anybody finds out what's wrong with that icon before me let me know and i'll fix it)22:03
Unit193\o/22:04
bluesabreochosi: seems likely that it's overlaying the lock icon over the wifi icon22:06
bluesabreor not22:43
bluesabreusing nm-signal-100-secure22:43
bluesabrefun fact, you can now use gtk inspector in the indicator22:44
knomewhat's the fun bit?22:44
bluesabrenot guessing22:46
bluesabrenot having to dig into code to figure things out22:46
bluesabresee, tons of fun22:47
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knomeha.22:52
Unit193Sounds like fun on a bun!22:53
bluesabrehey Unit19322:58
knometime to go to bed22:58
knomenighty!22:58
bluesabrenighty knome22:58
bluesabrehm23:31
bluesabrea new translation landed in xubuntu-default-settings at some point23:31
bluesabrethat complicates things23:31
bluesabre:D23:31
Unit193:D23:31
Unit193We don't need no stinkin' language support,  everyone speaks English.23:32
bluesabreI suppose... I can revert it away, commit, release, and revert the revert23:33

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