[01:02] <cyphermox> Unit193: no, not the same
[01:03] <cyphermox> I'm also really curious how you get to end up with permission denied errors -- please file a bug and mention exactly what language/keyboard/timezone you use
[03:48] <Unit193> Very carefully?  English, en_US, EST/EDT.  Nothing abnormal in the selection, just the ISO.  Will look into a bug.
[06:42] <flocculant> knome: cheers - checked that out - found the deliberate typo and fixed it too :)
[06:42] <knome> :D
[06:43] <flocculant> that's all at least there now then I believe
[06:43] <knome> mmh
[06:43] <knome> so
[06:43] <knome> i have a plan
[06:44] <knome> so instead of the current schedule
[06:44] <flocculant> so do I
[06:44] <knome> which leaves tomorrow clear
[06:44] <knome> can we publish something tomorrow too?
[06:44] <knome> or do you want to keep that day clear?
[06:44] <flocculant> panels today? 
[06:44] <knome> yep
[06:44] <knome> then the other media manager tomorrow
[06:45] <knome> and wallpaper on friday
[06:45] <flocculant> wfm
[06:45] <knome> then the winner announcement on tuesday
[06:45] <flocculant> yep 
[06:45] <knome> yeah, good
[06:45] <flocculant> works for me
[07:03] <flocculant> jjfrv8: did you actually see lo with the wrong icons in the iso? I don't 
[07:20] <knome> bbl
[07:25] <flocculant> knome: qt always catches me out - more or less installed first thing on any of my installs - added info to the tomahawk stanza :)
[09:02] <ochosi> bluesabre: agreed, we need a strategy how to get meaningful appstream icons for xfce
[10:28] <bluesabre> flocculant: updated the release notes, dropped mugshot and blueman bugs that were fixed
[10:31] <knome_> flocculant, thanks
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[10:32] <bluesabre> knome: perhaps we should hide the imagemagick entries? do they work under any circumstance?
[10:32] <knome> bluesabre, they should be hidden
[10:32] <knome> bluesabre, i don't think they are very useful even if they "work"
[10:32] <bluesabre> cool, I'll plan on hiding them with xubuntu-default-settings then
[10:32] <knome> bluesabre, they can be more useful when right-clicking an image, then showing stuff in the imagemagick "display"
[10:33] <knome> but even then it's a bit moot for us since we have ristretto
[10:33] <bluesabre> gotcha
[10:34] <bluesabre> I'll just "NoDisplay=true" them
[10:34] <knome> ack
[10:34] <knome> will you hide the website/contribute items too ? :P
[10:36] <bluesabre> do we want to hide those?
[10:36] <knome> yes indeed
[10:36] <bluesabre> flocculant: I can't seem to reproduce this https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1529469
[10:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1529469 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "State of "Hide from menus" is not saved upon application restart" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:36] <bluesabre> knome: why? We put them there, do we no longer want them in the menu?
[10:36] <knome> we are now linking to them in the documentation startpage
[10:36] <bluesabre> ok
[10:37] <bluesabre> want to create a bug report for that?
[10:37] <knome> there is one
[10:37] <bluesabre> where?
[10:37] <bluesabre> :D
[10:37] <knome> let me dig that up for you
[10:37] <knome> ...from the tracker
[10:37] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1537742
[10:37] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1537742 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) ""Contribute to Xubuntu" and "Xubuntu Website" menu items on the desktop right-click menu" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:38] <bluesabre> aha
[10:38] <knome> :P
[10:38] <bluesabre> somehow missed that, was I pinged?
[10:38] <bluesabre> (probably)
[10:38] <knome> i'm pretty sure
[10:38] <knome> it's ok
[10:38] <knome> ...as long as you land the fix before the release >:D
[10:38] <bluesabre> >.<
[10:39] <bluesabre> wife is back from chicago now... she might be upset when I say that I am going to work on xubuntu all night :D
[10:39] <knome> hahah
[10:39] <bluesabre> "it's for... the users!"
[10:39] <knome> "but you were in chicago too when i wanted to be with you!"
[10:39] <bluesabre> heh, I might use that
[10:40] <knome> haha
[10:46] <knome> ok, bbl again
[11:15] <flocculant> bluesabre: neither can I now - removed it
[11:15] <flocculant> thanks for changing release note too :)
[11:20] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks
[11:21] <bluesabre> I *might* have a new xubuntu-default-settings uploaded this morning removing the imagemagick and contribute/website launchers
[11:21] <bluesabre> working on this now
[11:21] <flocculant> ok :)
[11:22] <flocculant> don't do it later - wife's back from chicago  :p
[11:23] <bluesabre> :P
[11:23] <flocculant> got 16.10 bug blueprint done - I'll move the suspend thing 
[11:23] <bluesabre> nice!
[11:24] <flocculant> so if there are more confirmed but not done - somewhere to move them and make knome stop looking at the burndown :p
[11:27] <bluesabre> :D
[11:48] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1513590 is still on the list - but I thought this was actually behaviour - in which case it can be invalid'd
[11:48] <ubottu> bug 1513590 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "unable to delete items in menulibre" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513590
[11:49] <flocculant> and bug 1515184 must have been fixed amongst others - I'd already asked for confirmation and marked incomplete a week or so back
[11:49] <ubottu> bug 1515184 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "Crash when selecting a category in a new entry" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515184
[11:50] <flocculant> bbl
[12:04] <jjfrv8> flocculant, aye, noticed it right away: http://i.imgur.com/9YIhUeU.png
[13:52] <Unit193> bluesabre: You removed jockey too when you removed xds-potfiles.
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[14:58] <flocculant> jjfrv8: oh crud
[14:59] <flocculant> that's why I asked - that bug you linked was about breeze being the default - hence me asking 
[14:59] <flocculant> seems we've now got galaxy :)
[15:07] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.html 3.9.8 is out.
[15:08] <Unit193> (Entirely irrelevant, but shhhush.)
[15:24] <flocculant> bah and humbug
[15:24] <flocculant> jjfrv8: reporting new bug - different issue 
[15:29] <flocculant> bug 1569968 needs to be marked as High I would think ;)
[15:29] <ubottu> bug 1569968 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice in Xubuntu should use Elementary as default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569968
[15:35] <flocculant> bluesabre: just in case you don't read the whole log - read that ^^ :)
[16:34] <Nairwolf> hi everyone ;) 
[16:34] <Nairwolf> I've noticed something at http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/getting-started.html
[16:35] <Nairwolf> tracker.xubuntu.org doesn't seem to work. Are you sure you wanted to have this link ? 
[16:41] <flocculant> nope - it's different now
[16:42] <Nairwolf> ok, so what is the new link ? 
[16:43] <flocculant> dev.xubuntu.org
[16:44] <Nairwolf> how can I edit ? 
[16:44] <Nairwolf> tell me one, and I will remember how to do, flocculant ;)
[16:44] <Nairwolf> tell me once.
[16:45] <Unit193> bzr lp:xubuntu-docs
[16:46] <Nairwolf> thanks
[16:47] <flocculant> but not this time ... 
[16:48] <flocculant> https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/fixlink/+merge/291795
[16:48] <Unit193> Hah.  Also may want to check current code before poking/looking into things.
[16:48] <Nairwolf> ok ;)
[16:48] <Nairwolf> you're so fast flocculant !
[16:52] <flocculant> didn't know you were going to want to do it - so rather than it get forgotten :)
[16:52] <Unit193> I have some crap pending, but has to wait for y to open.
[16:53] <Unit193> Yawning Yak.
[16:53] <flocculant> for cont docs? 
[16:53] <Unit193> Build stuff.
[16:54] <flocculant> I think they should 16.10.D until october then lost the .D
[16:54] <flocculant> names are boring now :)
[16:54] <drc> Now?
[16:54] <flocculant> drc: yea - can't think of a good Y name ;)
[16:55] <Unit193> Even if you could, he wouldn't use it.
[16:56]  * drc doesn't want to sound too heretical, but thought they were silly from the beginning 
[16:57] <Unit193> Meh, Debian uses them too.  Though I would like a symlink from 'develop' or something to use in the changelog. :P
[16:57] <flocculant> drc doesn't 
[16:58] <drc> can't remember them
[17:54] <pavlushka> Hello everyone!
[17:54] <pavlushka> flocculant: I installed 32bit and 64bit of todays iso's, so far its working.
[18:12] <flocculant> PaulW2U: just so you know - I've demoted the image test on the tracker to optional now that we're at the stage where there should be enough other tests going on
[18:12] <flocculant> it was only really as stop-gap if they got autotests on flavours going 
[18:13] <flocculant> pavlushka: that's nice - but at this point in the cycle - if it's not on the tracker then I won't know about it 
[18:13] <flocculant> nor will I remember
[18:13] <flocculant> nor do I want to be told daily 
[18:13] <flocculant> I check the tracker - that's what I'm interested in ;)
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[18:55] <Unit193> Oh right... Apport crashes when you try to report.  That's why I didn't file anything.
[19:14] <flocculant> with your iso? 
[19:14] <Unit193> Yeah, but only when ubiquity launched it. :P
[19:15] <Unit193> I filed that bug no problem, there's a number somwhere.
[19:29] <pavlushka> flocculant: bug 1569968 happens to me too.
[19:29] <ubottu> bug 1569968 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice in Xubuntu should use Elementary as installation default not just live session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569968
[19:30] <Unit193> No crap.
[19:31] <pavlushka> Unit193: sorry, have I said anything wrong?
[19:31] <flocculant> pavlushka: I know - I could have told you before - it's going to happen to everyone using a 16.04 xubuntu iso 
[19:32] <Unit193> I can fix that. :3
[19:33] <flocculant> :)
[19:34] <Unit193> flocculant: LP 1557739 I didn't just ignore it, though I did forget that I'd filed it.
[19:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1557739 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-bug crashed with termios.error in raw_input_char(): (25, 'Inappropriate ioctl for device')" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1557739
[19:35] <pavlushka> :)
[19:36] <flocculant> Unit193: probably would have me too'd it :)
[19:37] <Unit193> flocculant: I made a special spin of Core with firefox last night/this morning so I could do stuff like that more easily. :P
[19:39] <flocculant> :)
[19:40] <flocculant> I know that I tried to 'boot core - install firefox - install core - use apport' last but one time - but it still just failed
[19:40] <flocculant> ie apport wandering off into the blue
[19:42] <Unit193> ...That is fantastic, the weird indicator crap goes away if I change themes.
[19:53] <Unit193> Right, so same theme on two different computers, both Xenial, and only one shows the problem?
[19:55] <drc> different video card/driver?
[19:58] <Unit193> Yeah, wouldn't think that'd do it, but suppose weirder things..
[20:00] <drc> I always start with the blatently obvious...'cause if I don't it always comes back to bite me in the....
[20:03] <Unit193> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/253668619/ubiquity_2.21.57_source.changes
[20:10] <Nairwolf> flocculant: it's not possible to make a screenshot when you're opening something from the panel ? 
[20:11] <Unit193> Set a delay.
[20:11] <flocculant> yes it is :) you just have to screenshot whole window - start it then delay it for x seconds
[20:11] <Nairwolf> I'm actualy running with the daily 16.04, I've found it's really difficult to determine the power of wifi network, and I wanted to show you that with a screenshot 
[20:11] <Nairwolf> oh, ok
[20:12] <knome> pleia2, social media time!
[20:12] <Nairwolf> no, it's not obvius. How can I start a delay ? 
[20:12] <ochosi> Nairwolf: the signal quality of wifi is shown with icons used by nm-applet, i don't think that there's a lot we can do about that
[20:12] <ochosi> and evening everyone
[20:12] <Nairwolf> hi ochosi
[20:12]  * flocculant suspects knome and ochosi are the same person - just pretending to show up at the same time
[20:13] <ochosi> knome: darn, he made us!
[20:13] <flocculant> oh no I didn't
[20:13] <knome> huh
[20:13] <knome> :P
[20:13] <flocculant> that'd be your parents - just the one set :p
[20:13] <knome> pleia2, https://xubuntu.org/news/small-details-panel-layouts/ out and tweeted
[20:14] <flocculant> knome: did you double check my recent changes to that? 
[20:14] <knome> NO
[20:14] <knome> oops
[20:14] <knome> :P
[20:14] <flocculant> :p
[20:14] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[20:14] <knome> i'm sure they are good
[20:15] <flocculant> made up as well :D
[20:16] <flocculant> ochosi: you probably didn't see Sean's ping from me ... not going to like it ... 
[20:16] <flocculant> bug 1569968
[20:16] <ubottu> bug 1569968 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice in Xubuntu should use Elementary as installation default not just live session" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569968
[20:17] <Nairwolf> ochosi: Do you think it deserve to report a bug ? Look this screenshot : https://i.imgur.com/sFv0dw0.png
[20:17] <Nairwolf> I can't really distincte the power level...
[20:18] <ochosi> Nairwolf: is that a clean install and did you not change anything there?
[20:18] <flocculant> Nairwolf: do you mean in the drop down menu? 
[20:18] <ochosi> Nairwolf: it looks to me as though you fiddled with the icon theme setting, by default it should look ok
[20:19] <Nairwolf> yes, it's a clean install
[20:19] <Nairwolf> with the last daily
[20:19] <Nairwolf> and I don't have change anything...
[20:19] <Nairwolf> it's with real hardware
[20:20] <Nairwolf> flocculant: Yes, when you choose a wi-fi network. You can't really distinguish the level of wifi power. 
[20:20] <flocculant> ochosi: I'll boot up my laptop from the other day
[20:20] <flocculant> while you facepalm at the lo bug 
[20:20] <ochosi> weird, those icons come from humanity
[20:20] <ochosi> do we really have that installed?
[20:21] <flocculant> yup
[20:21] <Nairwolf> by the way. Can I have write access to the wiki in order to add my name and my computer to this list :http://wiki.xubuntu.org/qa/teamhardware ?
[20:23] <Unit193> I missed that page.
[20:23] <ochosi> flocculant: what? what pulls in humanity?
[20:23] <flocculant> ochosi: wants to remove ubuntu-mono* and add adwaita-icon-theme-full if I purge humanity
[20:24] <flocculant> Nairwolf: knome has keys to there
[20:24] <ochosi> great. packaging hell
[20:24] <flocculant> Unit193: it's the old wiki one moved to our one
[20:24] <ochosi> either way, i can't reproduce this right now because my vbox doesn't have wifi enabledd
[20:25] <flocculant> ochosi: I just grabbed a scrrenshot from here 
[20:25] <ochosi> yes..?
[20:25]  * ochosi waits patiently
[20:26] <Nairwolf> guys look this also : https://i.imgur.com/hDFgKkJ.png
[20:26] <Nairwolf> I promise I don't have touch anything
[20:26]  * flocculant will just purge humanity and do another one
[20:26] <Nairwolf> elementary Xfce darker was already selected
[20:26] <Nairwolf> And the web icon for Adwaita seems weird
[20:26] <ochosi> yeah, but that's adwaita's problem
[20:27] <knome> Nairwolf, PM me your email and preferred nick and username and i'll create an account for you,
[20:27] <ochosi> elementary-xfce-darker is the default theme, so that's ok
[20:27] <ochosi> flocculant: you might also have to throw away the ubuntu-mono icon themes btw
[20:28] <ochosi> and again, no idea why we need those
[20:28] <ochosi> probably should've dropped adwaita-full then
[20:28] <Nairwolf> ochosi: okay for elementary-xfce-darker, but i've understood what I have with Wi-Fi power is from humanity theme...
[20:29] <Nairwolf> Do you advise me to file a report, guys ? 
[20:29] <Nairwolf> Do you want I retry a fresh install ? (Il will not be done tonight)
[20:29] <ochosi> Nairwolf: yes, it's possible that nm-applet changed their icon names and elementary-xfce doesn't include the new names yet
[20:29] <ochosi> just wait a few mins until i get flocculant's screenshots
[20:29] <Nairwolf> ok
[20:30] <flocculant> ochosi: be right with you 
[20:37] <Nairwolf> ok, I think I will file the bug tomorrow...
[20:39] <Nairwolf> I need to go to bed soon...
[20:43] <pavlushka> good night guys!
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[20:47] <flocculant> ochosi: sorry - seems I lost connection - did you get those screenshot links? 
[20:48] <ochosi_> flocculant: nope
[20:48] <flocculant> ochosi: so - this is default http://imgur.com/EinxNRu
[20:48] <flocculant> this is with human purging and whatever it wanted, then a logout and in - http://imgur.com/cMOpqBS
[20:51] <ochosi_> thanks. so all is good and Nairwolf's bug doesn't affect you
[20:51] <ochosi_> hence i presume it doesn't affect clean installs
[20:51] <flocculant> I'd guess not - that install was really recent
[20:52] <flocculant> not sure exactly how recent - just booted it to one of the older ones to see LO there
[20:54] <flocculant> mmm 
[20:54] <flocculant> seems that LO had galaxy there on install
[20:54]  * flocculant failed to notice that
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[21:00] <flocculant> ochosi_: that install is 2 days old btw
[21:02] <Nairwolf> ochosi_: I'm not sure to understand
[21:02] <Nairwolf> my install was really really recent
[21:03] <Nairwolf> with the 13.04.16 daily
[21:03] <flocculant> knome: what's up with dev tracker - appears to have lost all the bugs from there
[21:04] <flocculant> or not
[21:05] <flocculant> would think it was me going mad - but I bet you're fiddling :)
[21:06] <ochosi_> Nairwolf: strange then, guess we need another test install at least to know for sure
[21:07] <ochosi_> but tbh i'd be surprised if the bug you see is persistent
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[21:08] <flocculant> ochosi_: I could knock out a test from live quickish if you want
[21:08] <ochosi> that'd be awesome
[21:08] <ochosi> i'll be back in abouot 40mins
[21:08] <ochosi> would the test be done by then?
[21:09] <flocculant> live certainly will be
[21:09] <flocculant> might be able to do an install by then as well
[21:10] <ochosi> yeah, install would be great, just to be sure
[21:10] <flocculant> yup
[21:10] <ochosi> ok, bbiab
[21:13] <Nairwolf> I need to sleep now, I will make a new test tomorrow
[21:13] <flocculant> Nairwolf: good night - thanks for testing 
[21:14] <Nairwolf> thank you ;) I'm exciting with the release soon ! 
[21:14] <flocculant> :)
[21:25] <pleia2> knome: thanks, shared
[21:25] <Unit193> flocculant: New core seems to work fine. :P
[21:26] <flocculant> Unit193: \o/
[21:26] <flocculant> I'll look
[21:26] <flocculant> tomorrow ... 
[21:26] <Unit193> Hah. :P
[21:42] <flocculant> mmm
[21:42] <flocculant> ochosi's gorn ... 
[21:42] <flocculant> so am I - so can someone tell him 
[21:42] <flocculant> live > http://i.imgur.com/d9MF7y8.png
[21:43] <flocculant> installed > http://i.imgur.com/U5YJlXd.png
[21:43] <flocculant> looks easy enough to distinguish wifi levels - even with my eyes without glasses
[21:44] <flocculant> night all :)
[21:47] <knome> flocculant, it's a known bug... it loses them sometimes, but gets them most of the times
[21:47] <knome> flocculant, it's related to something timing out
[21:55] <bluesabre> Unit193: I didn't see jockey in there
[21:57] <ochosi> flocculant: seems i disconnected again... how did your tests go?
[21:57] <flocculant> live > http://i.imgur.com/d9MF7y8.png
[21:57] <Unit193> ochosi: https://paste.unit193.net/?5ccf738d5244303a#c6WJzG+1gxXuaFo5V3JDXyO0tE5XPKJoWpuprfrmJ+w=
[21:58] <ochosi> hmm, that's not perfect
[21:58] <flocculant> Unit193: I hadn't quite gone - was in the kitchen
[21:58] <flocculant> knome: ack - wasn't sure :)
[21:58] <Unit193> bluesabre: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/610 see it in the diff?
[21:58] <ochosi> slightly weird, because the lock icons in the wifi icons should be dark too
[21:59] <ochosi> at least they are in 15.10
[21:59] <knome> flocculant, i'll try to fix that for yy...
[21:59] <ochosi> but at least we're not looking at a big issue
[21:59] <flocculant> right
[21:59] <flocculant> right
[21:59] <flocculant> :)
[21:59] <ochosi> flocculant: did you manage to get an install too?
[21:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: Was more an FYI and all.  Also, exclude in the menu file rather than u/s/x/a/?  I presume I missed context so will presume that's correct.  Good evening, kind sir!
[21:59] <flocculant> ochosi: installed > http://i.imgur.com/U5YJlXd.png
[22:00] <ochosi> right
[22:00] <Unit193> left
[22:00] <ochosi> thanks flocculant!
[22:00] <flocculant> ochosi: also that's what Unit193's paste was - I was going, but hadn't quite
[22:00] <flocculant> now I am :)
[22:00] <ochosi> alright alright :)
[22:00] <ochosi> same here ;)
[22:00] <ochosi> thanks btw Unit193 
[22:00] <flocculant> night all 
[22:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: before I do - one last comment - cleaned up 16.04 bug blueprint
[22:01] <flocculant> unfortunately there's a new one ... 
[22:02] <bluesabre> hey Unit193
[22:02] <bluesabre> I mean, there is no jockey.desktop.in.h file in there
[22:02] <ochosi> i wonder whether this icon (dark wifi, light lock icon) even exists in elementary-xfce... it's such a weird and useless hybrid that i somehow cannot image
[22:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: hid it in the menu instead of killing it with a new launcher since it can still be used for the mimetype associations
[22:02] <Unit193> Wondered if that was the case.
[22:03] <ochosi> anyhow, time for be
[22:03] <ochosi> d
[22:03] <ochosi> night everyone!
[22:03] <bluesabre> nighty ochosi
[22:03] <Unit193> G'night.
[22:03] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks, I'll work on fixing some bugs tonight
[22:03] <ochosi> (if anybody finds out what's wrong with that icon before me let me know and i'll fix it)
[22:04] <Unit193> \o/
[22:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: seems likely that it's overlaying the lock icon over the wifi icon
[22:43] <bluesabre> or not
[22:43] <bluesabre> using nm-signal-100-secure
[22:44] <bluesabre> fun fact, you can now use gtk inspector in the indicator
[22:44] <knome> what's the fun bit?
[22:46] <bluesabre> not guessing
[22:46] <bluesabre> not having to dig into code to figure things out
[22:47] <bluesabre> see, tons of fun
=== sakrecoer_ is now known as sakrecoer
[22:52] <knome> ha.
[22:53] <Unit193> Sounds like fun on a bun!
[22:58] <bluesabre> hey Unit193
[22:58] <knome> time to go to bed
[22:58] <knome> nighty!
[22:58] <bluesabre> nighty knome
[23:31] <bluesabre> hm
[23:31] <bluesabre> a new translation landed in xubuntu-default-settings at some point
[23:31] <bluesabre> that complicates things
[23:31] <bluesabre> :D
[23:31] <Unit193> :D
[23:32] <Unit193> We don't need no stinkin' language support,  everyone speaks English.
[23:33] <bluesabre> I suppose... I can revert it away, commit, release, and revert the revert