| xubuntu01w | what does lock screen mean and how do you unlock it | 00:51 |
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| K1rk | xubuntu01w, lol lock screen would take you to a graphical login screen so other people can't access your computer. | 02:02 |
| K1rk | entering your password would unlock it | 02:02 |
| K1rk | It is like what happens when you press Winkey+L on a windows pc | 02:03 |
| Boss_Man | hello | 03:53 |
| liquidsnake | hello | 03:58 |
| Boss_Man | moving to Xubuntu in 16.04 | 04:00 |
| Boss_Man | from LXDE | 04:00 |
| Boss_Man | apparently the Lubuntu team has decided in THEIR infinite wisdom that LXDE needs to turn QT | 04:00 |
| Boss_Man | and sorry but QT sucks | 04:00 |
| Boss_Man | they're introducing it in 16.04, and 15.10's already prepped for it | 04:01 |
| Boss_Man | found an lxqt directory in /etc/xdg | 04:01 |
| Boss_Man | they're hoping to phase LXDE out completely come 17.04 | 04:01 |
| Boss_Man | QT is so good..that's why a majority of apps are GTK and desktops are GTK right? lol | 04:02 |
| Boss_Man | that's why the only desktops running QT are KDE, forks of KDE, and an obscure Razor-QT (that's now working on LXQT..because Razor-QT was so successful) | 04:03 |
| Boss_Man | heh | 04:03 |
| Boss_Man | I just love when a few individuals decide what's best.. that's how you get shit like systemd and unity | 04:04 |
| Boss_Man | oh well enough of my soapbox | 04:04 |
| Boss_Man | I haven't figured out if it's just the Lubuntu team or if it's LXDE as a whole doing this | 04:05 |
| liquidsnake | yep i know what u mean | 04:05 |
| Boss_Man | because if it's just the Lubuntu team doing it | 04:05 |
| Boss_Man | I hope the Xubuntu team doesn't eat the same retard sandwiches | 04:05 |
| liquidsnake | no doubt | 04:07 |
| xangua | Boss_Man: lxqt is the new lxde | 04:19 |
| Boss_Man | so all the distros will be doing lxqt? | 04:19 |
| Boss_Man | so it's the lxde team eating the retard sandwiches | 04:20 |
| Boss_Man | not just the lubuntu team | 04:20 |
| Boss_Man | oh well | 04:20 |
| Boss_Man | "Freedom of choice to run something else" | 04:20 |
| Boss_Man | heh | 04:20 |
| liquidsnake | lol | 04:25 |
| Artemis3 | Boss_Man, qt doesn't suck, unless you mean it eats more ram, but so does gtk3. | 04:44 |
| Boss_Man | yeah the ram consumption isn't the issue so much | 04:48 |
| Boss_Man | I just never cared for the looks of QT | 04:48 |
| Artemis3 | its alwo wayland ready | 04:48 |
| Artemis3 | also | 04:49 |
| Boss_Man | yeah I know I've seen wayland | 04:49 |
| Boss_Man | blah | 04:49 |
| Boss_Man | I dunno just feels like this is the kind of attitude MS and Apple take | 04:50 |
| Boss_Man | "We like it and you will too" | 04:50 |
| Artemis3 | there is a big difference | 04:50 |
| Boss_Man | like lennary and his systemd | 04:50 |
| Artemis3 | nothing stops you from forking it | 04:50 |
| Boss_Man | yeah I know | 04:50 |
| Artemis3 | thats how we have mate today | 04:50 |
| Boss_Man | yeah and if you don't have the coding ability | 04:50 |
| Boss_Man | you're fucked | 04:50 |
| Boss_Man | like me | 04:50 |
| Artemis3 | if you have the money you can always hire others | 04:51 |
| Boss_Man | "Well if you don't like it you can run something else or you can fork it or hire others" | 04:51 |
| Boss_Man | heh | 04:51 |
| Artemis3 | correct | 04:51 |
| Boss_Man | freedom of choice to like what we like or fuck yourself :) gotcha | 04:51 |
| Artemis3 | you have choices | 04:51 |
| Boss_Man | oh yeah | 04:52 |
| Artemis3 | with apple et all, you have none | 04:52 |
| Boss_Man | they might not be realistic options | 04:52 |
| Boss_Man | but you got em right lol | 04:52 |
| Artemis3 | also there are lots of minimalist desktops | 04:52 |
| Boss_Man | no I'll just run xfce or openbox and hope that the openbox team or the xfce team doesn't do the same bullshit | 04:52 |
| Artemis3 | openbox and tint2, just like good ol !# | 04:53 |
| Boss_Man | yeah I got spoiled with openbox | 04:53 |
| Boss_Man | and #! | 04:53 |
| Boss_Man | but then the dev got butthurt | 04:53 |
| Boss_Man | at systemd | 04:53 |
| Artemis3 | there is some fork of it ... bunsenlabs? | 04:54 |
| Boss_Man | I just worry because I had a track record of once I like something | 04:54 |
| Artemis3 | something like that | 04:54 |
| Boss_Man | somebody/something fucks it up | 04:54 |
| Boss_Man | yeah no thanks | 04:54 |
| Boss_Man | I've had experience with one off forks | 04:54 |
| Artemis3 | thats how it is | 04:54 |
| Boss_Man | yep | 04:54 |
| Artemis3 | ubuntu forked debian | 04:54 |
| Artemis3 | its long tradition in open source | 04:54 |
| Boss_Man | yeah fragment the fuck out of the community and have holy wars | 04:54 |
| Boss_Man | this is why I run linux but I generally stay the fuck out of the community :) | 04:55 |
| Artemis3 | its simply someone wants to do something different | 04:55 |
| Boss_Man | I already got a few communities I am part of that have their holy wars and bullshit | 04:55 |
| Boss_Man | I don't have a problem with doing something different | 04:55 |
| Boss_Man | but forcing it | 04:55 |
| Boss_Man | and giving people the "well you can fork it" | 04:55 |
| Boss_Man | when there's people like me | 04:56 |
| Boss_Man | that can't do such things | 04:56 |
| Artemis3 | yes you can | 04:56 |
| Artemis3 | (tm) | 04:56 |
| Boss_Man | I don't have the coding ability sorry | 04:56 |
| Boss_Man | I'm one of them non coder slobs | 04:56 |
| Boss_Man | that is a refugee from winblows | 04:56 |
| Boss_Man | so no coding ability means I'm pretty much at the mercy of the lennary poetterings of the world | 04:57 |
| Boss_Man | or the LXQT Team | 04:57 |
| Artemis3 | xfce is good enuf | 04:57 |
| Boss_Man | or whoever else | 04:57 |
| Boss_Man | like I said | 04:57 |
| Boss_Man | I'll look at openbox or xfce | 04:57 |
| Boss_Man | and hope their team doesn't do the same bullshit | 04:57 |
| Artemis3 | im checking lxqt from time to time and ill test it later | 04:57 |
| Boss_Man | that's all I can do | 04:57 |
| Artemis3 | for a pure qt desktop i find it interesting | 04:58 |
| Boss_Man | trust me if I could fork something I would | 04:58 |
| Boss_Man | well I was really polite to the guy I was talking to | 04:59 |
| Boss_Man | involved with the project | 04:59 |
| Boss_Man | all I said was hey look leave it as an option | 04:59 |
| Artemis3 | they probably have a channel on freenode | 04:59 |
| Boss_Man | and it's going to be official in 16.10 and hopefully by 17.04 LXDE will be replaced by it | 04:59 |
| Artemis3 | oh lubuntu | 04:59 |
| Artemis3 | nvm | 04:59 |
| Boss_Man | when what I really should have said is "if QT is so fucking good how come GTK dominates apps and desktops" | 05:00 |
| Boss_Man | I know the score | 05:00 |
| Boss_Man | the Razor-QT team needs to find a project that maybe people will give a shit about | 05:00 |
| Boss_Man | since nobody cared about Razor-QT | 05:00 |
| Artemis3 | lxde dev did. | 05:01 |
| Boss_Man | yeah and that's fine | 05:01 |
| Boss_Man | like I said I'll look at openbox or XFCE | 05:01 |
| Boss_Man | and hope they don't do the same shit | 05:01 |
| Unhammer | hey, on 16.10, on resuming from suspend suddenly most of the characters on my screen turned invisible (or, same as background colour), so I logged out, at which point I got the message that Desktop had crashed. On reboot, I have no desktop (just some blue default background without icons, doesn't catch right-click), only the panel. How do I start debugging this? | 06:42 |
| knome | there is no 16.10 | 06:44 |
| Unhammer | argh sorry 16.04 | 06:45 |
| Unhammer | xfdesktop4 4.12.3-2ubuntu1 | 06:46 |
| knome | which graphics card are you using? | 06:48 |
| Unhammer | it's a thinkpad X200, so some intel I guess … | 06:48 |
| Unhammer | intel, Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller | 06:49 |
| Unhammer | driver=i915 | 06:49 |
| Unhammer | oh hah if I type xfdesktop in a terminal, it shows again | 06:51 |
| Unhammer | so why doesn't it start automatically … | 06:51 |
| knome | if you run xfdesktop, then log out and in, does it work then? | 06:52 |
| Unhammer | oh, after a relogin, now it does! | 06:52 |
| Unhammer | (after running xfdesktop once manually) | 06:52 |
| knome | then sounds just like your session was saved without it running | 06:52 |
| Unhammer | so I probably won't be able to debug this :-/ Something went wrong, but hm | 06:53 |
| Unhammer | ooh that would explain why it started a term as well the second time | 06:53 |
| Unhammer | (i typically dont' save sessions) | 06:53 |
| Unhammer | but why would it save that it's *not* running? | 06:53 |
| Unhammer | shouldn't xfdesktop be exempt from session-saving anyway? | 06:54 |
| knome | no | 06:54 |
| knome | for example you might want to run another desktop manager | 06:54 |
| Unhammer | it crashed though, and I couldn't read the text since it was all white – which is probably how I hit the "save session" on trying to log out | 06:56 |
| knome | mhm | 06:56 |
| Unhammer | I feel like there ought to be some friendlier way to avoid that | 06:56 |
| Unhammer | e.g. noticing that you're running *no* DM? | 06:57 |
| knome | well | 06:57 |
| knome | suggestion (and especially patches) welcome | 06:57 |
| Unhammer | :) | 06:57 |
| knome | what if it was something you wanted to do? | 06:57 |
| Unhammer | of course; but given the possibility of situations like this, it'd be nice if xubuntu could both allow for the power user case, and not lead to borked systems for the non-power users | 06:59 |
| knome | i don't think how that is possible though | 06:59 |
| knome | because the latter implies we should always take care of making sure we launch some stuff if possible | 07:00 |
| knome | and power users wouldn't like that | 07:00 |
| knome | anyway, this shouldn'y happen very often | 07:00 |
| Unhammer | I find things that shouldn't happen very often, do happen very often on my less technical friends' installations :( but I guess I'll try coming up with something on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session | 07:02 |
| flocculant | if you're going to do something then https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Xfdesktop would be better - if nothing else you'll get more people saying why not or can't :) | 07:05 |
| Unhammer | aha, thanks | 07:05 |
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| DexterF | heya. | 11:54 |
| DexterF | sort of side-topic, but how can one tell, to *which* serial port a device has been connected to? | 11:54 |
| DexterF | device in question is a barcode scanner | 11:54 |
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| xubuntu496 | theinstalationfailed | 14:57 |
| xubuntu496 | canyouhelpme | 14:57 |
| xubuntu496 | iamatthelastpartofinstallation | 14:59 |
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| n-iCe | do people actually use lts more than 9 months supported releases? | 16:58 |
| Nairwolf | do you mean non-lts version ? like 15.10 ? | 17:00 |
| n-iCe | yes | 17:01 |
| n-iCe | I'm thinking in move to xubuntu from lubuntu | 17:01 |
| Nairwolf | I'm personaly use Xubuntu 14.04 because I wanted stability. | 17:01 |
| Nairwolf | But now, I'm thinking to upgrade for each new xubuntu release | 17:01 |
| Nairwolf | 16.04 then 16.10, etc | 17:01 |
| Unit193 | I use the normal release or development. | 17:01 |
| n-iCe | Nairwolf: I see, and why xubuntu beside ubuntu or lubuntu | 17:01 |
| n-iCe | I have a laptop, I want the best for it. | 17:02 |
| n-iCe | and I don't know if it is a laptop problem or distro issue, but laptop fan is always on. | 17:02 |
| n-iCe | even with no stress | 17:02 |
| Nairwolf | my personal computer is fast and powerful. Ubuntu would work with my laptop, but I don't want something heavy. | 17:02 |
| Nairwolf | And I don't really like the ubuntu style | 17:02 |
| Nairwolf | I prefer xubuntu | 17:02 |
| Nairwolf | I've used lubuntu before with a really old computer. | 17:02 |
| n-iCe | I see, why not lubuntu which is lighter | 17:02 |
| Nairwolf | because I want the best compromise between light and features | 17:03 |
| n-iCe | I see | 17:03 |
| n-iCe | so xubuntu then | 17:03 |
| Nairwolf | what is laptop fan ? | 17:03 |
| n-iCe | what do you think about my issue, you thinkg changing distro may help? | 17:03 |
| n-iCe | uhm | 17:03 |
| Nairwolf | just try in live session, and see what you prefer | 17:03 |
| n-iCe | the laptop fan | 17:03 |
| Nairwolf | oh, I didn't know what "fan" means. I got it. It's weird if your fan is always on with lubuntu | 17:04 |
| Nairwolf | Try xubuntu on live, and you'll see | 17:04 |
| n-iCe | where are you from | 17:05 |
| Nairwolf | maybe you can configure your fan more precisly, but I don't know how to do that | 17:05 |
| Nairwolf | France | 17:05 |
| n-iCe | oh I see | 17:05 |
| n-iCe | I was in Paris | 17:05 |
| n-iCe | few days ago | 17:05 |
| n-iCe | just came back to my country | 17:05 |
| Nairwolf | oh ;) | 17:05 |
| Nairwolf | Where are you now ? | 17:05 |
| n-iCe | I'm from México | 17:05 |
| Nairwolf | nice ! | 17:05 |
| n-iCe | Went to Madrid, Barcelona, Firenze, Veence, Paris, Amsterdam and London | 17:05 |
| Nairwolf | Europe trop ! | 17:06 |
| Nairwolf | trip | 17:06 |
| n-iCe | Europe trip, yeah | 17:06 |
| Nairwolf | sounds nice ;) | 17:06 |
| n-iCe | yeah yeah, well I'm downloading Xubuntu | 17:06 |
| Nairwolf | You should have visit south of france. Much better. | 17:06 |
| Nairwolf | for your laptop, you know how to boot on a live session ? | 17:06 |
| n-iCe | 5 minutes and I will make my usb bootable | 17:06 |
| Nairwolf | next week, 16.04 will be release | 17:06 |
| Nairwolf | released | 17:06 |
| n-iCe | Nairwolf: I went to lyon and dijon | 17:06 |
| n-iCe | I slept a night in dijon | 17:07 |
| n-iCe | Nairwolf: Yeah I know. | 17:07 |
| Nairwolf | ok, great ;) | 17:07 |
| Nairwolf | if you want to change on Xubuntu, you should wait one week more, I think | 17:08 |
| n-iCe | can change later too | 17:08 |
| n-iCe | or just upgrade | 17:08 |
| n-iCe | I don't do backups | 17:09 |
| n-iCe | All is in the cloud | 17:09 |
| n-iCe | How old are you? | 17:09 |
| Nairwolf | 25 years old. We should talk on #xubuntu-offtopic | 17:09 |
| Nairwolf | I'm not so much fan of cloud | 17:10 |
| n-iCe | 1m and download is done | 17:10 |
| Nairwolf | I want to keep my data with me, and close to me ;) | 17:10 |
| n-iCe | ok Nairwolf | 17:12 |
| n-iCe | download is done | 17:12 |
| n-iCe | creatin bootable usb flash drive | 17:16 |
| glumpy | Hello | 17:18 |
| n-iCe | hello | 17:18 |
| Nairwolf | I hope your experience will be great ;) | 17:18 |
| n-iCe | hope so | 17:18 |
| n-iCe | coming back | 17:19 |
| n-iCe | rebooting into xubuntu | 17:19 |
| glumpy | Is there a better way to deal with screensaver/turning off the screen while idle/listning to music (not watching videos) besides caffeine which needs to be enabled/disabled all the time? | 17:19 |
| n-iCe | ok | 17:34 |
| n-iCe | I'm in xubuntu | 17:34 |
| Nairwolf | oh, nice ! | 17:36 |
| Nairwolf | what do you think ? | 17:36 |
| Nairwolf | Is it Xubuntu 15.10 or 14.04 ? | 17:36 |
| n-iCe | can't install | 17:37 |
| n-iCe | error | 17:37 |
| n-iCe | let's try again | 17:38 |
| n-iCe | same error | 17:38 |
| n-iCe | dammit | 17:38 |
| Nairwolf | what do you use to create your usb live ? | 17:45 |
| n-iCe | Im back | 17:52 |
| n-iCe | did not work | 17:52 |
| n-iCe | downloading iso again, something went wrong | 17:52 |
| Nairwolf | have you checked the md5 ? | 17:57 |
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| n-iCe | dammit | 18:23 |
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| n-iCe | Ok, done, is working now. | 18:46 |
| rfcreek | hi | 20:10 |
| xubuntu60w | Hey, so I created a .themes folder in my home directory. How do I access the themes I have moved there via the 'appearance' window in settings? | 20:14 |
| xubuntu60w | Only the default themes are accessible | 20:14 |
| xubuntu60w | Must I move the themes to usr/share/themes instead? | 20:15 |
| xubuntu60w | My terminal knowledge is extremely basic. | 20:16 |
| knome | if you will only use the themes on that user, they are ok in ~/.themes | 20:16 |
| xubuntu60w | Ok, and yes I'm the only user on my machine. | 20:17 |
| xubuntu60w | So how do I access the themes in that folder so I may change from the default themes? | 20:17 |
| xubuntu60w | Actually, it looks like one of the two themes I downloaded are now accessible from the settings menu | 20:19 |
| xubuntu60w | The other doesn't seem to show up though | 20:20 |
| knome | what subfolders does the theme have? | 20:20 |
| xubuntu60w | darklude/xfwm4/ | 20:21 |
| xubuntu60w | Then a bunch of .xpm files | 20:21 |
| xubuntu60w | and a plain text doc | 20:21 |
| knome | xubuntu60w, that's a window manager theme, so you need to change that under settings manager -> window manager | 20:22 |
| xubuntu60w | Got it | 20:22 |
| xubuntu60w | My mistake | 20:22 |
| xubuntu60w | thanks | 20:22 |
| rfcreek | I'm trying to get xubuntu running on a baytrail-based netbook and my touchpad doesn't work properly. Is it possible to force xubuntu to use a different module or is there another way to troubleshoot the problem? | 20:23 |
| rfcreek | I think the touch pad is recognized as hid generic but it seems the multi touch is sending additional data that this driver might interpret incorrectly | 20:24 |
| rfcreek | so with every input action on the touchpad it also recognizes a change in the y axis which moves the mouse cursor slightly upwards. If I move left/right it also moves equally upwards | 20:25 |
| rfcreek | sadly I'm not very versed when it comes to modules | 20:27 |
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