[00:51] what does lock screen mean and how do you unlock it [02:02] xubuntu01w, lol lock screen would take you to a graphical login screen so other people can't access your computer. [02:02] entering your password would unlock it [02:03] It is like what happens when you press Winkey+L on a windows pc [03:53] hello [03:58] hello [04:00] moving to Xubuntu in 16.04 [04:00] from LXDE [04:00] apparently the Lubuntu team has decided in THEIR infinite wisdom that LXDE needs to turn QT [04:00] and sorry but QT sucks [04:01] they're introducing it in 16.04, and 15.10's already prepped for it [04:01] found an lxqt directory in /etc/xdg [04:01] they're hoping to phase LXDE out completely come 17.04 [04:02] QT is so good..that's why a majority of apps are GTK and desktops are GTK right? lol [04:03] that's why the only desktops running QT are KDE, forks of KDE, and an obscure Razor-QT (that's now working on LXQT..because Razor-QT was so successful) [04:03] heh [04:04] I just love when a few individuals decide what's best.. that's how you get shit like systemd and unity [04:04] oh well enough of my soapbox [04:05] I haven't figured out if it's just the Lubuntu team or if it's LXDE as a whole doing this [04:05] yep i know what u mean [04:05] because if it's just the Lubuntu team doing it [04:05] I hope the Xubuntu team doesn't eat the same retard sandwiches [04:07] no doubt [04:19] Boss_Man: lxqt is the new lxde [04:19] so all the distros will be doing lxqt? [04:20] so it's the lxde team eating the retard sandwiches [04:20] not just the lubuntu team [04:20] oh well [04:20] "Freedom of choice to run something else" [04:20] heh [04:25] lol [04:44] Boss_Man, qt doesn't suck, unless you mean it eats more ram, but so does gtk3. [04:48] yeah the ram consumption isn't the issue so much [04:48] I just never cared for the looks of QT [04:48] its alwo wayland ready [04:49] also [04:49] yeah I know I've seen wayland [04:49] blah [04:50] I dunno just feels like this is the kind of attitude MS and Apple take [04:50] "We like it and you will too" [04:50] there is a big difference [04:50] like lennary and his systemd [04:50] nothing stops you from forking it [04:50] yeah I know [04:50] thats how we have mate today [04:50] yeah and if you don't have the coding ability [04:50] you're fucked [04:50] like me [04:51] if you have the money you can always hire others [04:51] "Well if you don't like it you can run something else or you can fork it or hire others" [04:51] heh [04:51] correct [04:51] freedom of choice to like what we like or fuck yourself :) gotcha [04:51] you have choices [04:52] oh yeah [04:52] with apple et all, you have none [04:52] they might not be realistic options [04:52] but you got em right lol [04:52] also there are lots of minimalist desktops [04:52] no I'll just run xfce or openbox and hope that the openbox team or the xfce team doesn't do the same bullshit [04:53] openbox and tint2, just like good ol !# [04:53] yeah I got spoiled with openbox [04:53] and #! [04:53] but then the dev got butthurt [04:53] at systemd [04:54] there is some fork of it ... bunsenlabs? [04:54] I just worry because I had a track record of once I like something [04:54] something like that [04:54] somebody/something fucks it up [04:54] yeah no thanks [04:54] I've had experience with one off forks [04:54] thats how it is [04:54] yep [04:54] ubuntu forked debian [04:54] its long tradition in open source [04:54] yeah fragment the fuck out of the community and have holy wars [04:55] this is why I run linux but I generally stay the fuck out of the community :) [04:55] its simply someone wants to do something different [04:55] I already got a few communities I am part of that have their holy wars and bullshit [04:55] I don't have a problem with doing something different [04:55] but forcing it [04:55] and giving people the "well you can fork it" [04:56] when there's people like me [04:56] that can't do such things [04:56] yes you can [04:56] (tm) [04:56] I don't have the coding ability sorry [04:56] I'm one of them non coder slobs [04:56] that is a refugee from winblows [04:57] so no coding ability means I'm pretty much at the mercy of the lennary poetterings of the world [04:57] or the LXQT Team [04:57] xfce is good enuf [04:57] or whoever else [04:57] like I said [04:57] I'll look at openbox or xfce [04:57] and hope their team doesn't do the same bullshit [04:57] im checking lxqt from time to time and ill test it later [04:57] that's all I can do [04:58] for a pure qt desktop i find it interesting [04:58] trust me if I could fork something I would [04:59] well I was really polite to the guy I was talking to [04:59] involved with the project [04:59] all I said was hey look leave it as an option [04:59] they probably have a channel on freenode [04:59] and it's going to be official in 16.10 and hopefully by 17.04 LXDE will be replaced by it [04:59] oh lubuntu [04:59] nvm [05:00] when what I really should have said is "if QT is so fucking good how come GTK dominates apps and desktops" [05:00] I know the score [05:00] the Razor-QT team needs to find a project that maybe people will give a shit about [05:00] since nobody cared about Razor-QT [05:01] lxde dev did. [05:01] yeah and that's fine [05:01] like I said I'll look at openbox or XFCE [05:01] and hope they don't do the same shit [06:42] hey, on 16.10, on resuming from suspend suddenly most of the characters on my screen turned invisible (or, same as background colour), so I logged out, at which point I got the message that Desktop had crashed. On reboot, I have no desktop (just some blue default background without icons, doesn't catch right-click), only the panel. How do I start debugging this? [06:44] there is no 16.10 [06:45] argh sorry 16.04 [06:46] xfdesktop4 4.12.3-2ubuntu1 [06:48] which graphics card are you using? [06:48] it's a thinkpad X200, so some intel I guess … [06:49] intel, Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [06:49] driver=i915 [06:51] oh hah if I type xfdesktop in a terminal, it shows again [06:51] so why doesn't it start automatically … [06:52] if you run xfdesktop, then log out and in, does it work then? [06:52] oh, after a relogin, now it does! [06:52] (after running xfdesktop once manually) [06:52] then sounds just like your session was saved without it running [06:53] so I probably won't be able to debug this :-/ Something went wrong, but hm [06:53] ooh that would explain why it started a term as well the second time [06:53] (i typically dont' save sessions) [06:53] but why would it save that it's *not* running? [06:54] shouldn't xfdesktop be exempt from session-saving anyway? [06:54] no [06:54] for example you might want to run another desktop manager [06:56] it crashed though, and I couldn't read the text since it was all white – which is probably how I hit the "save session" on trying to log out [06:56] mhm [06:56] I feel like there ought to be some friendlier way to avoid that [06:57] e.g. noticing that you're running *no* DM? [06:57] well [06:57] suggestion (and especially patches) welcome [06:57] :) [06:57] what if it was something you wanted to do? [06:59] of course; but given the possibility of situations like this, it'd be nice if xubuntu could both allow for the power user case, and not lead to borked systems for the non-power users [06:59] i don't think how that is possible though [07:00] because the latter implies we should always take care of making sure we launch some stuff if possible [07:00] and power users wouldn't like that [07:00] anyway, this shouldn'y happen very often [07:02] I find things that shouldn't happen very often, do happen very often on my less technical friends' installations :( but I guess I'll try coming up with something on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session [07:05] if you're going to do something then https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Xfdesktop would be better - if nothing else you'll get more people saying why not or can't :) [07:05] aha, thanks === knome_ is now known as knome [11:54] heya. [11:54] sort of side-topic, but how can one tell, to *which* serial port a device has been connected to? [11:54] device in question is a barcode scanner === puff` is now known as puff === userarch2 is now known as eoli3n === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [14:57] theinstalationfailed [14:57] canyouhelpme [14:59] iamatthelastpartofinstallation === obscurehero_ is now known as obscurehero [16:58] do people actually use lts more than 9 months supported releases? [17:00] do you mean non-lts version ? like 15.10 ? [17:01] yes [17:01] I'm thinking in move to xubuntu from lubuntu [17:01] I'm personaly use Xubuntu 14.04 because I wanted stability. [17:01] But now, I'm thinking to upgrade for each new xubuntu release [17:01] 16.04 then 16.10, etc [17:01] I use the normal release or development. [17:01] Nairwolf: I see, and why xubuntu beside ubuntu or lubuntu [17:02] I have a laptop, I want the best for it. [17:02] and I don't know if it is a laptop problem or distro issue, but laptop fan is always on. [17:02] even with no stress [17:02] my personal computer is fast and powerful. Ubuntu would work with my laptop, but I don't want something heavy. [17:02] And I don't really like the ubuntu style [17:02] I prefer xubuntu [17:02] I've used lubuntu before with a really old computer. [17:02] I see, why not lubuntu which is lighter [17:03] because I want the best compromise between light and features [17:03] I see [17:03] so xubuntu then [17:03] what is laptop fan ? [17:03] what do you think about my issue, you thinkg changing distro may help? [17:03] uhm [17:03] just try in live session, and see what you prefer [17:03] the laptop fan [17:04] oh, I didn't know what "fan" means. I got it. It's weird if your fan is always on with lubuntu [17:04] Try xubuntu on live, and you'll see [17:05] where are you from [17:05] maybe you can configure your fan more precisly, but I don't know how to do that [17:05] France [17:05] oh I see [17:05] I was in Paris [17:05] few days ago [17:05] just came back to my country [17:05] oh ;) [17:05] Where are you now ? [17:05] I'm from México [17:05] nice ! [17:05] Went to Madrid, Barcelona, Firenze, Veence, Paris, Amsterdam and London [17:06] Europe trop ! [17:06] trip [17:06] Europe trip, yeah [17:06] sounds nice ;) [17:06] yeah yeah, well I'm downloading Xubuntu [17:06] You should have visit south of france. Much better. [17:06] for your laptop, you know how to boot on a live session ? [17:06] 5 minutes and I will make my usb bootable [17:06] next week, 16.04 will be release [17:06] released [17:06] Nairwolf: I went to lyon and dijon [17:07] I slept a night in dijon [17:07] Nairwolf: Yeah I know. [17:07] ok, great ;) [17:08] if you want to change on Xubuntu, you should wait one week more, I think [17:08] can change later too [17:08] or just upgrade [17:09] I don't do backups [17:09] All is in the cloud [17:09] How old are you? [17:09] 25 years old. We should talk on #xubuntu-offtopic [17:10] I'm not so much fan of cloud [17:10] 1m and download is done [17:10] I want to keep my data with me, and close to me ;) [17:12] ok Nairwolf [17:12] download is done [17:16] creatin bootable usb flash drive [17:18] Hello [17:18] hello [17:18] I hope your experience will be great ;) [17:18] hope so [17:19] coming back [17:19] rebooting into xubuntu [17:19] Is there a better way to deal with screensaver/turning off the screen while idle/listning to music (not watching videos) besides caffeine which needs to be enabled/disabled all the time? [17:34] ok [17:34] I'm in xubuntu [17:36] oh, nice ! [17:36] what do you think ? [17:36] Is it Xubuntu 15.10 or 14.04 ? [17:37] can't install [17:37] error [17:38] let's try again [17:38] same error [17:38] dammit [17:45] what do you use to create your usb live ? [17:52] Im back [17:52] did not work [17:52] downloading iso again, something went wrong [17:57] have you checked the md5 ? === Debian-es is now known as n-iCe [18:23] dammit === daytime is now known as equinox === namespace_ is now known as namespace [18:46] Ok, done, is working now. [20:10] hi [20:14] Hey, so I created a .themes folder in my home directory. How do I access the themes I have moved there via the 'appearance' window in settings? [20:14] Only the default themes are accessible [20:15] Must I move the themes to usr/share/themes instead? [20:16] My terminal knowledge is extremely basic. [20:16] if you will only use the themes on that user, they are ok in ~/.themes [20:17] Ok, and yes I'm the only user on my machine. [20:17] So how do I access the themes in that folder so I may change from the default themes? [20:19] Actually, it looks like one of the two themes I downloaded are now accessible from the settings menu [20:20] The other doesn't seem to show up though [20:20] what subfolders does the theme have? [20:21] darklude/xfwm4/ [20:21] Then a bunch of .xpm files [20:21] and a plain text doc [20:22] xubuntu60w, that's a window manager theme, so you need to change that under settings manager -> window manager [20:22] Got it [20:22] My mistake [20:22] thanks [20:23] I'm trying to get xubuntu running on a baytrail-based netbook and my touchpad doesn't work properly. Is it possible to force xubuntu to use a different module or is there another way to troubleshoot the problem? [20:24] I think the touch pad is recognized as hid generic but it seems the multi touch is sending additional data that this driver might interpret incorrectly [20:25] so with every input action on the touchpad it also recognizes a change in the y axis which moves the mouse cursor slightly upwards. 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