[00:51] <xubuntu01w> what does lock screen mean and how do you unlock it
[02:02] <K1rk> xubuntu01w, lol lock screen would take you to a graphical login screen so other people can't access your computer.
[02:02] <K1rk> entering your password would unlock it
[02:03] <K1rk> It is like what happens when you press Winkey+L on a windows pc
[03:53] <Boss_Man> hello
[03:58] <liquidsnake> hello
[04:00] <Boss_Man> moving to Xubuntu in 16.04
[04:00] <Boss_Man> from LXDE
[04:00] <Boss_Man> apparently the Lubuntu team has decided in THEIR infinite wisdom that LXDE needs to turn QT
[04:00] <Boss_Man> and sorry but QT sucks
[04:01] <Boss_Man> they're introducing it in 16.04, and 15.10's already prepped for it
[04:01] <Boss_Man> found an lxqt directory in /etc/xdg
[04:01] <Boss_Man> they're hoping to phase LXDE out completely come 17.04
[04:02] <Boss_Man> QT is so good..that's why a majority of apps are GTK and desktops are GTK right? lol
[04:03] <Boss_Man> that's why the only desktops running QT are KDE, forks of KDE, and an obscure Razor-QT (that's now working on LXQT..because Razor-QT was so successful)
[04:03] <Boss_Man> heh
[04:04] <Boss_Man> I just love when a few individuals decide what's best.. that's how you get shit like systemd and unity
[04:04] <Boss_Man> oh well enough of my soapbox
[04:05] <Boss_Man> I haven't figured out if it's just the Lubuntu team or if it's LXDE as a whole doing this
[04:05] <liquidsnake> yep i know what u mean
[04:05] <Boss_Man> because if it's just the Lubuntu team doing it
[04:05] <Boss_Man> I hope the Xubuntu team doesn't eat the same retard sandwiches
[04:07] <liquidsnake> no doubt
[04:19] <xangua> Boss_Man: lxqt is the new lxde
[04:19] <Boss_Man> so all the distros will be doing lxqt?
[04:20] <Boss_Man> so it's the lxde team eating the retard sandwiches
[04:20] <Boss_Man> not just the lubuntu team
[04:20] <Boss_Man> oh well
[04:20] <Boss_Man> "Freedom of choice to run something else"
[04:20] <Boss_Man> heh
[04:25] <liquidsnake> lol
[04:44] <Artemis3> Boss_Man, qt doesn't suck, unless you mean it eats more ram, but so does gtk3.
[04:48] <Boss_Man> yeah the ram consumption isn't the issue so much
[04:48] <Boss_Man> I just never cared for the looks of QT
[04:48] <Artemis3> its alwo wayland ready
[04:49] <Artemis3> also
[04:49] <Boss_Man> yeah I know I've seen wayland
[04:49] <Boss_Man> blah
[04:50] <Boss_Man> I dunno just feels like this is the kind of attitude MS and Apple take
[04:50] <Boss_Man> "We like it and you will too"
[04:50] <Artemis3> there is a big difference
[04:50] <Boss_Man> like lennary and his systemd
[04:50] <Artemis3> nothing stops you from forking it
[04:50] <Boss_Man> yeah I know
[04:50] <Artemis3> thats how we have mate today
[04:50] <Boss_Man> yeah and if you don't have the coding ability
[04:50] <Boss_Man> you're fucked
[04:50] <Boss_Man> like me
[04:51] <Artemis3> if you have the money you can always hire others
[04:51] <Boss_Man> "Well if you don't like it you can run something else or you can fork it or hire others"
[04:51] <Boss_Man> heh
[04:51] <Artemis3> correct
[04:51] <Boss_Man> freedom of choice to like what we like or fuck yourself :) gotcha
[04:51] <Artemis3> you have choices
[04:52] <Boss_Man> oh yeah
[04:52] <Artemis3> with apple et all, you have none
[04:52] <Boss_Man> they might not be realistic options
[04:52] <Boss_Man> but you got em right lol
[04:52] <Artemis3> also there are lots of minimalist desktops
[04:52] <Boss_Man> no I'll just run xfce or openbox and hope that the openbox team or the xfce team doesn't do the same bullshit
[04:53] <Artemis3> openbox and tint2, just like good ol !#
[04:53] <Boss_Man> yeah I got spoiled with openbox
[04:53] <Boss_Man> and #!
[04:53] <Boss_Man> but then the dev got butthurt
[04:53] <Boss_Man> at systemd
[04:54] <Artemis3> there is some fork of it ... bunsenlabs?
[04:54] <Boss_Man> I just worry because I had a track record of once I like something
[04:54] <Artemis3> something like that
[04:54] <Boss_Man> somebody/something fucks it up
[04:54] <Boss_Man> yeah no thanks
[04:54] <Boss_Man> I've had experience with one off forks
[04:54] <Artemis3> thats how it is
[04:54] <Boss_Man> yep
[04:54] <Artemis3> ubuntu forked debian
[04:54] <Artemis3> its long tradition in open source
[04:54] <Boss_Man> yeah fragment the fuck out of the community and have holy wars
[04:55] <Boss_Man> this is why I run linux but I generally stay the fuck out of the community :)
[04:55] <Artemis3> its simply someone wants to do something different
[04:55] <Boss_Man> I already got a few communities I am part of that have their holy wars and bullshit
[04:55] <Boss_Man> I don't have a problem with doing something different
[04:55] <Boss_Man> but forcing it
[04:55] <Boss_Man> and giving people the "well you can fork it"
[04:56] <Boss_Man> when there's people like me
[04:56] <Boss_Man> that can't do such things
[04:56] <Artemis3> yes you can
[04:56] <Artemis3> (tm)
[04:56] <Boss_Man> I don't have the coding ability sorry
[04:56] <Boss_Man> I'm one of them non coder slobs
[04:56] <Boss_Man> that is a refugee from winblows
[04:57] <Boss_Man> so no coding ability means I'm pretty much at the mercy of the lennary poetterings of the world
[04:57] <Boss_Man> or the LXQT Team
[04:57] <Artemis3> xfce is good enuf
[04:57] <Boss_Man> or whoever else
[04:57] <Boss_Man> like I said
[04:57] <Boss_Man> I'll look at openbox or xfce
[04:57] <Boss_Man> and hope their team doesn't do the same bullshit
[04:57] <Artemis3> im checking lxqt from time to time and ill test it later
[04:57] <Boss_Man> that's all I can do
[04:58] <Artemis3> for a pure qt desktop i find it interesting
[04:58] <Boss_Man> trust me if I could fork something I would
[04:59] <Boss_Man> well I was really polite to the guy I was talking to
[04:59] <Boss_Man> involved with the project
[04:59] <Boss_Man> all I said was hey look leave it as an option
[04:59] <Artemis3> they probably have a channel on freenode
[04:59] <Boss_Man> and it's going to be official in 16.10 and hopefully by 17.04 LXDE will be replaced by it
[04:59] <Artemis3> oh lubuntu
[04:59] <Artemis3> nvm
[05:00] <Boss_Man> when what I really should have said is "if QT is so fucking good how come GTK dominates apps and desktops"
[05:00] <Boss_Man> I know the score
[05:00] <Boss_Man> the Razor-QT team needs to find a project that maybe people will give a shit about
[05:00] <Boss_Man> since nobody cared about Razor-QT
[05:01] <Artemis3> lxde dev did.
[05:01] <Boss_Man> yeah and that's fine
[05:01] <Boss_Man> like I said I'll look at openbox or XFCE
[05:01] <Boss_Man> and hope they don't do the same shit
[06:42] <Unhammer> hey, on 16.10, on resuming from suspend suddenly most of the characters on my screen turned invisible (or, same as background colour), so I logged out, at which point I got the message that Desktop had crashed. On reboot, I have no desktop (just some blue default background without icons, doesn't catch right-click), only the panel. How do I start debugging this?
[06:44] <knome> there is no 16.10
[06:45] <Unhammer> argh sorry 16.04
[06:46] <Unhammer> xfdesktop4 4.12.3-2ubuntu1
[06:48] <knome> which graphics card are you using?
[06:48] <Unhammer> it's a thinkpad X200, so some intel I guess …
[06:49] <Unhammer> intel, Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[06:49] <Unhammer> driver=i915
[06:51] <Unhammer> oh hah if I type xfdesktop in a terminal, it shows again
[06:51] <Unhammer> so why doesn't it start automatically …
[06:52] <knome> if you run xfdesktop, then log out and in, does it work then?
[06:52] <Unhammer> oh, after a relogin, now it does!
[06:52] <Unhammer> (after running xfdesktop once manually)
[06:52] <knome> then sounds just like your session was saved without it running
[06:53] <Unhammer> so I probably won't be able to debug this :-/ Something went wrong, but hm
[06:53] <Unhammer> ooh that would explain why it started a term as well the second time
[06:53] <Unhammer> (i typically dont' save sessions)
[06:53] <Unhammer> but why would it save that it's *not* running?
[06:54] <Unhammer> shouldn't xfdesktop be exempt from session-saving anyway?
[06:54] <knome> no
[06:54] <knome> for example you might want to run another desktop manager
[06:56] <Unhammer> it crashed though, and I couldn't read the text since it was all white – which is probably how I hit the "save session" on trying to log out
[06:56] <knome> mhm
[06:56] <Unhammer> I feel like there ought to be some friendlier way to avoid that
[06:57] <Unhammer> e.g. noticing that you're running *no* DM?
[06:57] <knome> well
[06:57] <knome> suggestion (and especially patches) welcome
[06:57] <Unhammer> :)
[06:57] <knome> what if it was something you wanted to do?
[06:59] <Unhammer> of course; but given the possibility of situations like this, it'd be nice if xubuntu could both allow for the power user case, and not lead to borked systems for the non-power users
[06:59] <knome> i don't think how that is possible though
[07:00] <knome> because the latter implies we should always take care of making sure we launch some stuff if possible
[07:00] <knome> and power users wouldn't like that
[07:00] <knome> anyway, this shouldn'y happen very often
[07:02] <Unhammer> I find things that shouldn't happen very often, do happen very often on my less technical friends' installations :( but I guess I'll try coming up with something on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session
[07:05] <flocculant> if you're going to do something then https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Xfdesktop would be better - if nothing else you'll get more people saying why not or can't :)
[07:05] <Unhammer> aha, thanks
[11:54] <DexterF> heya.
[11:54] <DexterF> sort of side-topic, but how can one tell, to *which* serial port a device has been connected to?
[11:54] <DexterF> device in question is a barcode scanner
[14:57] <xubuntu496> theinstalationfailed
[14:57] <xubuntu496> canyouhelpme
[14:59] <xubuntu496> iamatthelastpartofinstallation
[16:58] <n-iCe> do people actually use lts more than 9 months supported releases?
[17:00] <Nairwolf> do you mean non-lts version ? like 15.10 ?
[17:01] <n-iCe> yes
[17:01] <n-iCe> I'm thinking in move to xubuntu from lubuntu
[17:01] <Nairwolf> I'm personaly use Xubuntu 14.04 because I wanted stability.
[17:01] <Nairwolf> But now, I'm thinking to upgrade for each new xubuntu release
[17:01] <Nairwolf> 16.04 then 16.10, etc
[17:01] <Unit193> I use the normal release or development.
[17:01] <n-iCe> Nairwolf: I see, and why xubuntu beside ubuntu or lubuntu
[17:02] <n-iCe> I have a laptop, I want the best for it.
[17:02] <n-iCe> and I don't know if it is a laptop problem or distro issue, but laptop fan is always on.
[17:02] <n-iCe> even with no stress
[17:02] <Nairwolf> my personal computer is fast and powerful. Ubuntu would work with my laptop, but I don't want something heavy.
[17:02] <Nairwolf> And I don't really like the ubuntu style
[17:02] <Nairwolf> I prefer xubuntu
[17:02] <Nairwolf> I've used lubuntu before with a really old computer.
[17:02] <n-iCe> I see, why not lubuntu which is lighter
[17:03] <Nairwolf> because I want the best compromise between light and features
[17:03] <n-iCe> I see
[17:03] <n-iCe> so xubuntu then
[17:03] <Nairwolf> what is laptop fan ?
[17:03] <n-iCe> what do you think about my issue, you thinkg changing distro may help?
[17:03] <n-iCe> uhm
[17:03] <Nairwolf> just try in live session, and see what you prefer
[17:03] <n-iCe> the laptop fan
[17:04] <Nairwolf> oh, I didn't know what "fan" means. I got it. It's weird if your fan is always on with lubuntu
[17:04] <Nairwolf> Try xubuntu on live, and you'll see
[17:05] <n-iCe> where are you from
[17:05] <Nairwolf> maybe you can configure your fan more precisly, but I don't know how to do that
[17:05] <Nairwolf> France
[17:05] <n-iCe> oh I see
[17:05] <n-iCe> I was in Paris
[17:05] <n-iCe> few days ago
[17:05] <n-iCe> just came back to my country
[17:05] <Nairwolf> oh ;)
[17:05] <Nairwolf> Where are you now ?
[17:05] <n-iCe> I'm from México
[17:05] <Nairwolf> nice !
[17:05] <n-iCe> Went to Madrid, Barcelona, Firenze, Veence, Paris, Amsterdam and London
[17:06] <Nairwolf> Europe trop !
[17:06] <Nairwolf> trip
[17:06] <n-iCe> Europe trip, yeah
[17:06] <Nairwolf> sounds nice ;)
[17:06] <n-iCe> yeah yeah, well I'm downloading Xubuntu
[17:06] <Nairwolf> You should have visit south of france. Much better.
[17:06] <Nairwolf> for your laptop, you know how to boot on a live session ?
[17:06] <n-iCe> 5 minutes and I will make my usb bootable
[17:06] <Nairwolf> next week, 16.04 will be release
[17:06] <Nairwolf> released
[17:06] <n-iCe> Nairwolf: I went to lyon and dijon
[17:07] <n-iCe> I slept a night in dijon
[17:07] <n-iCe> Nairwolf: Yeah I know.
[17:07] <Nairwolf> ok, great ;)
[17:08] <Nairwolf> if you want to change on Xubuntu, you should wait one week more, I think
[17:08] <n-iCe> can change later too
[17:08] <n-iCe> or just upgrade
[17:09] <n-iCe> I don't do backups
[17:09] <n-iCe> All is in the cloud
[17:09] <n-iCe> How old are you?
[17:09] <Nairwolf> 25 years old. We should talk on #xubuntu-offtopic
[17:10] <Nairwolf> I'm not so much fan of cloud
[17:10] <n-iCe> 1m and download is done
[17:10] <Nairwolf> I want to keep my data with me, and close to me ;)
[17:12] <n-iCe> ok Nairwolf
[17:12] <n-iCe> download is done
[17:16] <n-iCe> creatin bootable usb flash drive
[17:18] <glumpy> Hello
[17:18] <n-iCe> hello
[17:18] <Nairwolf> I hope your experience will be great ;)
[17:18] <n-iCe> hope so
[17:19] <n-iCe> coming back
[17:19] <n-iCe> rebooting into xubuntu
[17:19] <glumpy> Is there a better way to deal with screensaver/turning off the screen while idle/listning to music (not watching videos) besides caffeine which needs to be enabled/disabled all the time?
[17:34] <n-iCe> ok
[17:34] <n-iCe> I'm in xubuntu
[17:36] <Nairwolf> oh, nice !
[17:36] <Nairwolf> what do you think ?
[17:36] <Nairwolf> Is it Xubuntu 15.10 or 14.04 ?
[17:37] <n-iCe> can't install
[17:37] <n-iCe> error
[17:38] <n-iCe> let's try again
[17:38] <n-iCe> same error
[17:38] <n-iCe> dammit
[17:45] <Nairwolf> what do you use to create your usb live ?
[17:52] <n-iCe> Im back
[17:52] <n-iCe> did not work
[17:52] <n-iCe> downloading iso again, something went wrong
[17:57] <Nairwolf> have you checked the md5 ?
[18:23] <n-iCe> dammit
[18:46] <n-iCe> Ok, done, is working now.
[20:10] <rfcreek> hi
[20:14] <xubuntu60w> Hey, so I created a .themes folder in my home directory. How do I access the themes I have moved there via the 'appearance' window in settings?
[20:14] <xubuntu60w> Only the default themes are accessible
[20:15] <xubuntu60w> Must I move the themes to usr/share/themes instead?
[20:16] <xubuntu60w> My terminal knowledge is extremely basic.
[20:16] <knome> if you will only use the themes on that user, they are ok in ~/.themes
[20:17] <xubuntu60w> Ok, and yes I'm the only user on my machine.
[20:17] <xubuntu60w> So how do I access the themes in that folder so I may change from the default themes?
[20:19] <xubuntu60w> Actually, it looks like one of the two themes I downloaded are now accessible from the settings menu
[20:20] <xubuntu60w> The other doesn't seem to show up though
[20:20] <knome> what subfolders does the theme have?
[20:21] <xubuntu60w> darklude/xfwm4/
[20:21] <xubuntu60w> Then a bunch of .xpm files
[20:21] <xubuntu60w> and a plain text doc
[20:22] <knome> xubuntu60w, that's a window manager theme, so you need to change that under settings manager -> window manager
[20:22] <xubuntu60w> Got it
[20:22] <xubuntu60w> My mistake
[20:22] <xubuntu60w> thanks
[20:23] <rfcreek> I'm trying to get xubuntu running on a baytrail-based netbook and my touchpad doesn't work properly. Is it possible to force xubuntu to use a different module or is there another way to troubleshoot the problem?
[20:24] <rfcreek> I think the touch pad is recognized as hid generic but it seems the multi touch is sending additional data that this driver might interpret incorrectly
[20:25] <rfcreek> so with every input action on the touchpad it also recognizes a change in the y axis which moves the mouse cursor slightly upwards. If I move left/right it also moves equally upwards
[20:27] <rfcreek> sadly I'm not very versed when it comes to modules