[02:52] <peat-psuwit> Should NetworkManager consider rmnet* device as connected?
[03:19] <afdave14> good stuff
[03:19]  * afdave14 i wonder
[09:45] <paz_> Hi. Attempting to build and run the Telegram app on my Ubuntu VM (version 15.10). Can't create a Click Target. I'm getting errors, possibly related to package dependancies. Anyone else seen this?
[10:32] <paz_> Anyone having issues creating click chroot  for armhf 15.04 on a machine running  Ubuntu 15.10?
[10:45] <Acou_Bass> paz_: your host machine, is it ARM too? you usually need the same architecture for a chroot
[10:47] <paz_> Acou_Bass: yes it's ARM
[10:47] <paz_> I'm running Ubuntu 15.10 on a VM on my macbook
[12:35] <jgdx> pitti, does dbusmock do signals? I know it can emit them, but signals does not appear in Introspection of a mock bus.
[12:37] <jgdx> also seem that if you define signals using @dbus.service.signal in a template, it's ignored? Not sure if I'm reading that right.
[12:38] <pitti> jgdx: yes, you can emit them, but as you don't have to declare them there's currently no way to put them into introspection indeed
[12:38] <pitti> jgdx: ah, I haven't used that, just calling .EmitSignal() on the mock
[12:39] <jgdx> pitti, right.. I'm now trying to connect a qobject to a qdbusinterface provided by dbusmock, but it does not find signals.
[12:40] <jgdx> I wonder if I can just punch the introspection method of the dbus Object?
[12:40] <jgdx> as a dirty hack for testing
[12:58] <jonubulin> I have a question related to the camera app on the meizu mx4: Why is the option to take photos in the 16:9 format not available anymore?
[13:02] <davmor2> jonubulin: because 16:9 wasn't an accurate display size iirc but Kaleo can possibly confirm that for you
[13:08] <jonubulin> Ah OK but the 5:3 format uses less pixels than the 16:9 format, which seems strange.
[13:16] <jonubulin> The old 16:9 format had nearly the same width pixels than the 4:3 format. The new 5:3 format has less pixels because the width pixels change to, which seems unnecessary.
[13:38] <yakaar> Hello everyone, is there a way to receive my mms on my BQ aquaris E4.5 ??
[13:39] <yakaar> I can already send mms, but not receive...
[13:39] <ogra_> you should
[13:39] <ogra_> (definitely a bug if you can not)
[13:41] <yakaar> I tried, but it doesn't work for the instant... is there a config to enter, I'm on Bouygues télécom sim card
[13:43] <aquarius> beuno_, can I get real-time notification of app downloads from the store API? (I'd ask jamestait but he's not around.) Obviously I can poll it once a minute and compare the download count to the last download count, but it'd be nice not to have to
[13:43] <beuno_> aquarius, hi!
[13:43] <aquarius> also, hi :)
[13:43] <beuno> aquarius, you mean, push notifications?
[13:44] <aquarius> I was more thinking of a desktop app which watches for downloads and plays a little sound every time someone downloads one of my apps
[13:44] <beuno> aquarius, we don't have anything that fancy yet, no  :)
[13:45] <beuno> we'll want to expose some of that via APIs soon
[13:45] <beuno> we now have macaroons to authenticate
[13:45] <beuno> that'll open things up a bit so we're not shoving a blank-check token around for these types of things
[13:50] <yakaar> In fact, it work with datas activate :-)
[14:13] <aquarius> beuno, I can wait and ask jamestait if you don't know enough about the store APIs
[14:47] <mcphail> pmcgowan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1449790 - you've marked this as "fix released" but there appear to be ongoing issues as per my comment #26. Should that be revised?
[14:47] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1449790 in qtubuntu-media (Ubuntu RTM) "Fails to play a file with a # (hash symbol) in the path" [High,Fix released]
[14:50] <mardy> dobey: hi! When you have some time, this silo is looking forward to an audience ;-) https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1049
[14:53] <dobey> mardy: hey, yeah, it's on my list; been stuck on some very weird crashing in click-scope for a feature we wre trying to land for ota10 at the moment. is there an ota11 schedule yet, do you know?
[14:54] <mardy> dobey: nope, I don't know
[14:54] <mardy> dobey: is this about the QNetworkAccessManager? Did you find what was happening at the end?
[14:55] <mardy> dobey: but I think we should aim at ota-11 for this silo. dbarth_, opinions? ^
[14:57] <dobey> mardy: no, i don't think this crash is about QNAM; it's about "memory management in c++ is hard, especially in scopes, and especially in scopes that require Qt event loop for APIs it needs to use"
[14:58] <mardy> dobey: oh, I see... wonder what APIs you are talking about ;-)
[14:59] <dobey> mardy: u1 account, download manager, ant qtnetwork are the APIs we use, which require an event loop (maybe more, but i think those are the only 3)
[15:00] <mardy> dobey: and OA too (maybe not in your scope)
[15:02] <dobey> mardy: the OA api in scopes is done in the shell, not the scope itself. the bits in the scope we use are via libubuntuoneauth, which uses the signon/accounts libs; and which itself has signals and such
[15:15] <dbarth_> mardy, dobey: +1 for an ota-11 target here; what is missing at this stage to land? review or code changes?
[15:16] <dobey> review+testing+approval
[15:16] <dobey> by me
[15:18] <mardy> dbarth_: and given our previous conversations with dobey I'm quite sure that we will need several iterations (or discussions to convince him that this is good stuff ;-) ), so the earlier we start, the better :-)
[15:26] <peat-psuwit> Should NetworkManager consider rmnet0 interface as connected?
[15:50] <dobey> peat-psuwit: i think NM itself doesn't manage the cellular connection
[15:54] <pmcgowan> mcphail, is that a specific case thats not fixed? if so we can open a new bug
[15:55] <mcphail> pmcgowan: yes - I think that is an edge case the current fix doesn't fix :)
[15:56] <pmcgowan> mcphail, can you enter a new one then?
[15:56] <mcphail> pmcgowan: I can, but I don't have a working ubuntu device to outline the steps accurately just now. Can I create a shell and just link to that comment?
[15:56] <peat-psuwit> dobey: except over ofono, right? Then this is a bug?
[15:57] <pmcgowan> mcphail, sure
[15:57] <mcphail> pmcgowan: will do, then. Ta!
[15:59] <peat-psuwit> dobey: On my device, it's shown as connected every time I connect to mobile data, and even after I disconnect
[16:02] <awe_> peat-psuwit, rmnet0 should be unmanaged by NM
[16:02] <dobey> peat-psuwit: what do you mean by "as connected" exactly?
[16:02] <awe_> and dobey, yes NM is responsible for the mobile connection.  It initiates the activation of a 3g connection via ofono
[16:03] <awe_> so ofono does much of the heavy lifting
[16:03] <awe_> but NM is in charge
[16:03] <awe_> much like the relationship between NM and wpa_supplicant for WiFi
[16:03] <awe_> peat-psuwit, there is code in NM that's supposed to ignore rmnet devices
[16:04] <awe_> on mako, these devices are owned by rild
[16:04] <awe_> and therefore NM only uses them to set routes if told to by ofono
[16:04] <awe_> unfortunately, I just caught this conversation as I'm about walk out the door
[16:05] <awe_> so... would be willing to discuss further later today
[16:05] <awe_> or tomorrow
[16:06] <peat-psuwit> awe_: probably tomorrow. It's almost midnight here.
[16:06] <awe_> ok
[16:06] <awe_> ttyl then
[16:34] <mcphail> pmcgowan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1570469 is the best I can do until I get a working device again. Hope it is enough top get started.
[16:34] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1570469 in media-hub (Ubuntu) "Despite fixes in OTA10, there is still an edge case where a file with a '#' symbol in the path will not play correctly" [Undecided,New]
[16:35] <pmcgowan> mcphail, thanks
[19:24] <E524> good evening everyone (in case you are in a nearby timezone).
[19:24] <E524>  i installed OTA 10.1 on my nexus4 (dualboot) and connected and external bluetooth keyboard. worked like a charm. great too see how everything improves!
[19:24] <E524> but i have a problem: eventough i configurated the right keyboard layout (in my case "Deutsch (Scheiz)") i cannont use some important letters wirth "alt gr" the @ would be on "alt gr + 2" or the | is "alt gr + 1". on the shell it writes out (args: 2) for @ or (args: 1) (for |). Does anyone know this prblem?
[19:30] <dobey> E524: sounds like the key you are expecting to be "alt gr" is just "alt"
[19:36] <E524> hey dobey. i tried it. alt has the same effect unfortunately
[19:37] <E524> i tried also all the other swiss keyboard layouts, so it seems to be more general, than just the exact layout i have chosen
[19:47] <E524> hm... if i change the keyboard layout to arabic, it's still German (Swiss).
[20:02] <E524> ok i realized, that if i have mounted / with rw, the keyboardlayout does not change. i can now write arabic :)
[20:03] <E524> (after mounting r again)
[20:08] <dobey> E524: you really shouldn't mount / as rw
[20:09] <E524> dobey: ok, but how can i install things like vim or htop or stuff like that? is there a good way, or realy not recommended at all?
[20:10] <dobey> E524: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[20:11] <E524> dobey: thanks a lot! will have a close look and save it.
[21:48] <Acou_Bass> dobey: just a curiosity, but using that chroot method, how would one run GUI apps under xmir?
[21:48] <Acou_Bass> (if possible)?
[21:51] <Tegenaris> Hi, just wanted to quick check if there's any non-hack possibility to save a file using Ubuntu HTML5 app? Need to store some info preferrably in the XML format.