[00:23] <diddledan> whodathunkit: https://twitter.com/tinyrevolution/status/720312375107198978
[00:24] <zmoylan-pi> i miss the shoot me i'm irish 80s...
[00:26] <diddledan> at least the irish troubles had reason on both sides. republican: give us our land back. unionist: we keel j00 before yoo keel us.
[00:27] <zmoylan-pi> ...simpler times...
[00:27] <diddledan> the islamist war seems more "we hate everything. we go boomboom"
[00:28] <diddledan> it's like the psygnosis game lemmings where you need to remove the remaining blocker lemmings so you make them blow themselves up
[00:28] <zmoylan-pi> oh nooo...
[00:29] <diddledan> I wonder if self-detonation counts as entry into the Darwin awards?
[00:29] <zmoylan-pi> only if its unintentional i think
[00:30] <diddledan> I hate premature detonation. you get all worked-up and blow your load early
[00:31] <zmoylan-pi> or your mouse needed cleaning and made the levels that little more difficult in middle of level...
[00:31] <diddledan> I miss mouses with balls
[00:32] <diddledan> you're in the middle of a doom deathmatch and your mouse stops responding when your mate has finally got themselves a chainsaw
[00:33] <diddledan> I hated that damned chainsaw
[00:33] <zmoylan-pi> i _loved_ the chainsaw... only my bosses pc had a sound card at first so i could use the noise of chainsaw to find him...
[00:34] <diddledan> now see that's the difference. you run towards the sound. I run away. fast.
[00:35] <zmoylan-pi> i knew the levels well enough to run backwards with the machine gun on those instances... my own tail gunner... :-)
[00:35] <diddledan> eff.org/action
[00:36] <diddledan> specifically this one: https://act.eff.org/action/tell-congress-stop-the-burr-feinstein-backdoor-proposal
[00:46] <diddledan> so. ubuntu on windows. it's a bit too much like running it as a vm for my liking - the only real interoperation between windows and ubuntu on windows is via the filesystem.
[00:48] <diddledan> e.g. I can't link my gpg-agent running on windows with the bash shell or Vicky verky
[00:48] <diddledan> that I can see, I mean
[00:49] <diddledan> Cygwin at least has ssh-pageant to link to a putty-style ssh key agent (which I have provided via kleopatra from gpg4win with my gpg key)
[00:50] <diddledan> I wonder if my yubikey would work in the bash shell for gpg signing, too
[00:50] <daftykins> could change?
[00:50] <diddledan> maybe
[00:50] <daftykins> sometimes it just makes sense to segment hosts too
[00:51] <diddledan> imagine I wanted to run a docker container, too. that would mean jumping out of bash into a normal windows powershell or cmd.exe to run the docker commands and then back into bash to do other stuff
[00:52] <diddledan> I have a hard time imagining any dev that WSL is being targeted at NOT wanting to run docker
[00:54] <diddledan> alternatively vagrant (or both)
[01:40] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/C4IYLg8TgO8
[03:18] <diddledan> cake
[03:18] <diddledan> I need cake
[03:22] <diddledan> I have cake
[05:36] <mapito> hi
[05:36] <mapito> cake?:Z
[08:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:11] <Myrtti> time of day
[08:11] <popey> That
[08:11] <bashrc> top of the morning
[08:25] <davmor2> bashrc: I hate you, Now I got this stuck in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15qc3_joy5A
[09:00] <brobosti1on> morning boys and girls.
[09:07] <popey> I bought a dehydrator, made some dried apple crisps, they're yummy. Now looking round the house for other things to put in it :)
[09:08] <popey> parsnips may be next
[09:08] <foobarry_> banana!!
[09:08] <foobarry> and mango
[09:08] <foobarry> anything found in graze boxes
[09:09] <Myrtti> just need to calculate is it more economical to go to a Grapevine or whatever and get a bag from there. Rather keep it to something that you can't buy readymade.
[09:10] <Myrtti> if it were Finland, I'd recommend drying forest mushrooms
[09:10] <Myrtti> but it's not autumn and mushroom picking isn't that big in UK
[09:11] <popey> I'm not doing it for economy
[09:11] <popey> I don't like that we throw away some of the fruit / veg before it gets eaten
[09:11] <popey> I'd like to preserve some to make snacks for the kids to take to school rather than buy ready made processed crap
[09:12] <foobarry> banana turns rubbery and is goregous
[09:12] <popey> we often have grapes left over, which eventually go bad, so probably gonna do some of them
[09:12] <foobarry> will it cure meats?
[09:12] <popey> i love dried banana, like the stuff you get in the "health food" shops
[09:12] <popey> yes
[09:13] <popey> It was a fb post from a co-worker who made loads of dried jerk beef in his that made me think of buying one
[09:13] <Myrtti> yeah if you're not buying fruit specifically. Just pointing out that IIRC the dehydrator might take a surprising amount of leccy so if you're either using something that you might be throwing away or are doing something that you can't buy readymade, then you're better off
[09:14] <popey> true
[09:14] <popey> especially as it's on for many hours
[09:14] <popey> took 6 hours to dehydrate 2 apples :)
[09:14] <popey> deffo filling it up every time. no economy doing only half the trays
[09:21] <foobarry> #1stworldproblems
[09:22] <popey> :)
[09:28] <davmor2> popey: how did you get on with your Mate?
[09:37] <DJones> Morning all
[09:39] <popey> davmor2: my what?
[09:40] <davmor2> popey: Mate your birthday present of gord etc
[09:41] <popey> wat?
[09:41] <popey> oh, Mate!  😃
[09:41] <popey> duh!
[09:41] <popey> dunno, not used it yet
[09:41] <popey> cured it and then haven't used it
[09:42] <davmor2> popey: Man you suck today dude ;) You're going to have to be especially awesome for the rest of the day to make up for it :D
[09:43] <popey> OKAY!
[09:44] <popey> If Rich Hall is on tour near you, go and see him, he's entertaining :)
[09:55] <davmor2> popey: not a big fan of rich hall, I'm more a bill bailey, milton jones kinda guy but I know that people who do like him have a proper good time at his gigs
[10:19] <popey> Friend of the family donated a thinkpad to me. 2GHz / 1.5GB RAM / 40GB HDD. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T43
[10:31] <diplo> Why don't I get donations like that :)
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> i have people who keep trying to give me tvs when they hear i don't have one...
[10:36] <davmor2> diplo: your dry sarcastic wit annoys your family and friends, whereas popey's makes him more appealing just a guess
[10:37] <diplo> davmor2: meeeooooowwww! :P
[10:37] <popey> Nah. I helped this woman move from her thinkpad to a mac
[10:37] <popey> She bought a macbook air and wanted to move her email and files from Outlook Express (!) to Apple Mail.
[10:37] <popey> Turns out, not as easy as you think, but do-able :)
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> was thinkpad running windows or lunix?
[10:37] <popey> Windows 98
[10:37] <davmor2> popey: ouch
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> win98... wow...
[10:38] <popey> Which I am now imaging with clonezilla to my server in case she ever asks for some random file off it
[10:38] <popey> no, xp, sorry
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> though i did like outlook express as 1) it worked 2) it was simple...
[10:38] <davmor2> diplo: He says it's because he helps people but I bet it is the dry sarcastic wit really ;)
[10:39] <popey> It had a 512MB stick (512MB on board too). I just rummaged and found a 1GB stick to put in it.
[10:39] <diplo> heheh
[10:39] <popey> It's i386 only though, not 64-bit.
[10:39] <popey> Considering what to do with it.
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> it'll run a lot of distros nicely... :-)
[10:40] <diplo> I'm still amazed by who is still running XP, my girlfriends school still runs it on their laptops!!!
[10:40] <popey> considering making it command line only, no gui
[10:40] <diplo> They RDP to a Win2008 server
[10:40] <zmoylan-pi> 50million chinese botnets can't be wrong... :-)
[10:40] <davmor2> popey: might make a nice test box for the low powered desktops like Lubuntu/Xubuntu etc
[10:41] <popey> yeah, that's a good point
[10:41]  * popey gets the latest lubuntu, xubuntu and mate i386 images :)
[10:42] <diplo> It's down to that they have no cash to buy newer hardware and current hardware doesn't support Win7 and up
[10:42] <davmor2> popey: also if it is all intel might make a nice unity8 play ground too :)
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> if 2016 would stop killing my childhood heros i'd be most grateful... http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-36041534
[10:43] <popey> hahah
[11:23] <popey> Heh, next month, this Thinkpad T43 will be 10 years old!
[11:23] <popey> http://termbin.com/amxu - bios date is 05/18/2006
[11:24] <popey> ooh, there's a bios update from 9/6/2006 :)
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> in a few years it can get a moped licence and become an autonomous vehicle... :-P
[11:25] <popey> it's sturdy enough
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> the bike would use it for protection...
[11:26] <popey> Today I learned, Clonezilla is based off Ubuntu Wily :)
[11:42] <knightwise> mornin
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> merry christmas
[12:04] <davmor2> popey: testing is off of xenial :)
[12:04] <davmor2> popey: and stable is off of trusty iirc
[12:05] <davmor2> popey: oh and there are debian versions too
[12:05] <popey> the one I grabbed was wily interesting
[12:06] <davmor2> popey: I think they have like proper stable, current and testing iirc stable is trusty, current is wily and testing is xenial iirc
[12:06] <davmor2> popey: iirc current is what is dl'd by default
[12:18] <Myrtti> scary
[12:18] <Myrtti> myrtti@eeyore:~$ free                                                                       Exit Code: 1
[12:18] <Myrtti> zsh: fork failed: cannot allocate memory
[13:51] <davmor2> man this is weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZMS1di6Mc
[13:51] <davmor2> however I think I like it
[14:28] <diddledan> davmor2: I like that!
[15:14] <ujjain> James forgot ___ the lights before he left. a) to turn out b) turning out
[15:14] <ujjain> It's no use ___ to him. He doesn't listen. a) to talk b) talking
[15:14] <ujjain> both a and b seem fine to me?
[15:16] <davmor2> ujjain: James a, it's no use b.
[15:17] <ujjain> ah ok, thanks a lot
[15:19] <davmor2> ujjain: technically both are correct but one sounds better so would be the one to use. James forgot turning out the lights doesn't sound right, whereas it's no use to talk to him doesn't, but the reverses both do sound right
[15:22] <ujjain> Yeah I understand, one sounds better, thanks a lot.
[15:24] <Myrtti> davmor2: I personally couldn't feel the difference between the options in the latter
[15:25] <Myrtti> but I'm outsider anyway
[15:37] <Seeker`> "it's no use to talk to him" doesn't flow as well
[15:50]  * diddledan listening to the ubuntu podcast
[15:50] <diddledan> it's the year of the Linux desktop?!
[16:07] <diddledan> I'm addicted to cake
[16:09] <Myrtti> lemon drizzle? red velvet? chocolate? strawberry?
[16:09] <diddledan> coffee or chocolate or carrot
[16:10] <diddledan> it's gotta have a good creme
[16:10] <diddledan> crème/icing
[16:10] <Myrtti> we had some Tesco lemon drizzle last week and it was so much better after we kept it in a fridge for a while
[16:11] <Myrtti> the filling inside got firmer
[16:13] <zmoylan-pi> aged cake...
[16:55] <diddledan> http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-sues-justice-dept-over-secret-demands-for-customer-data/
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> they want in on standing up for the little people thing that apple has going on...
[20:22] <daftykins> pro: my new case is on the way.
[20:22] <daftykins> con: it's coming from Germany o0
[20:27] <zmoylan-pi> so not going to arrive before weekend then...
[20:29] <daftykins> not sure how fast DHL can move, amazon's estimate is Wednesday
[20:42] <diddledan> suckity suck suck
[21:02] <Azelphur> I ordered a bunch of stuff from aliexpress, the one item I ordered with express shipping got lost in the post, the rest of it all arrived already
[21:02] <Azelphur> fml :<
[21:03] <daftykins> doing pretty well for a life when concerns are deliveries!
[21:36] <Azelphur> I'm also proud of myself, my apartment complex charges £75 for a replacement key (rfid), I cloned the thing, I have 10 now.
[21:37] <Azelphur> and the keyfobs themselves are £10 for a 100 on eBay.
[21:37] <daftykins> you could have a guest per day of the month!
[21:37] <Azelphur> Indeed!
[21:38] <Azelphur> I still haven't figured out the radio transmitter for the car-entry though, https://www.reddit.com/r/RFID/comments/4etfwd/can_anyone_help_me_identify_this_find_an/ maybe someone has some insight on that :)
[21:53] <ali1234> get an rtl-sdr and reverse engineer it
[21:54] <ali1234> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/mini-digital-tv-stick
[21:57] <ali1234> http://doorentrydirect.com/bpt-gb-trk900-handheld-tag
[21:58] <ali1234> http://www.advanced-access.co.uk/productdetail/636/gb-trk900
[21:59] <ali1234> 433MHz transmitter, 125kHz tag
[22:01] <ali1234> https://www.thecardnetwork.co.uk/access-control-cards/impro/trk900-uhf-handheld-4-button-impro-transmitter-xqt904.html
[22:01] <ali1234> Azelphur: ^
[22:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: nice find
[23:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: I wonder how you'd program one of these, whether it has a separate "key" for the buttons / rfid, or whether programming the rfid also programs the buttons
[23:02] <Azelphur> also, mine is very similar but not identical to that one, looks like that might be a newer model or something
[23:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: this might be very useful? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Cloning-Electric-Gate-Garage-Door-Remote-Control-Key-Fob-433mhz-Cloner-/230746937342?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
[23:08] <Azelphur> found one for £3.43 and from UK, well worth a punt I guess