[04:31] <inetpro> good morning everyone 
[04:31] <inetpro> oh and a special good morning to chesedo 
[04:32] <inetpro> congratulations on your winning scope 
[04:32] <inetpro> The winners of the Ubuntu Scopes Showdown 2016 have been announced! Congratulations to Roman Shchekin, Ricardo Silva, Michael Weimann and Pieter Engelbrecht for your winning scopes, and to all participants for your efforts! More details can be found at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/04/13/ubuntu-scopes-showdown-here-are-winners/
[04:42] <anton_may> Good morning all.
[05:00] <pavlushka> Good morning everyone!
[05:00] <pavlushka> good morning inetpro !
[05:17] <pavlushka> Kilos: শূভ নববর!
[05:17] <Kilos> morning pavlushka and all others
[05:17] <anton_may> morning
[05:17] <pavlushka> শূভ নববর! to all
[05:17] <pavlushka> শূভ নববরষ! to all
[05:17] <pavlushka> Kilos: শূভ নববরষ!
[05:17] <pavlushka> Morning anton_may !
[05:18] <Kilos> i dont understand that pavlushka 
[05:18] <anton_may> Bounjorno Pavlushka
[05:18] <Kilos> and im not going to used google translate
[05:40] <mazal> Mornings
[05:42] <pavlushka> Kilos: Happy New year in Bengali,:)
[05:43] <mazal> maaz tell TheMurdz Give me a shout when you have time , have some feedback for you
[05:43] <Maaz> mazal: Okay, I'll tell TheMurdz on freenode
[05:43] <mazal> Hi pavlushka 
[05:43] <pavlushka> Hello mazal !
[05:53] <mazal> http://www.webupd8.org/2016/04/ubuntu-1604-lts-to-offer-updates-via.html
[05:54] <mazal> I like this part " a snap package contains all of its dependencies "
[06:13] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:14] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[06:20] <mazal> Morning thatgraemeguy 
[06:20] <mazal> More oom Kilos 
[06:21] <mazal> What do you guys think of that snap packages ( as described in the link I pasted )
[06:24] <thatgraemeguy> sounds like the way OS X distributes apps
[06:25] <thatgraemeguy> it's bloaty and unnecessary IMHO
[06:25] <thatgraemeguy> if 15 apps all depend on library X which is 200MB, then you have to download the 200MB 15 times, once in each snap bundle
[06:26] <mazal> hmmm , good point
[06:28] <MaNL> so same as how windows ends up in practice as well then
[06:30] <thatgraemeguy> If you say so.... I wouldn't know, thankfully :)
[06:30] <mazal> I wonder how they will implement it , will the user have a choice between the deb or snap when installing something
[06:32] <MaNI> the idea seems to be that you use the snap for when the deb isn't available - or something along those lines
[06:33] <MaNI> though I'm curious if the system will actually know this and handle it elegantly if the deb then does become available later
[06:33] <mazal> Time will tell I guess
[06:38] <MaNI> I mean otherwise it is no different from just downloading a .run like some software companies put out :p Except with a trendier name
[06:49] <superfly> good evening everyone
[06:49] <superfly> including kmf
[06:49] <kmf> heh
[06:49] <kmf> hi
[06:50] <superfly> kmf: I sent a mail to Obsidian about sponsoring DebConf via the contact form on the site last night
[06:50] <kmf> superfly .... thanks send it throught to marketing@ ....
[06:51] <kmf> I'm on that liost
[06:51] <kmf> s/liost/list
[06:53] <TheMurdz> Morning gents!
[06:53] <superfly> hi TheMurdz
[06:53] <thatgraemeguy> that's presumptuous of you! :P
[06:53] <superfly> kmf: OK
[07:29] <Kilos-> hi guys, anyone having probs connecting on telegram or is it just me?
[07:29] <Kilos-> laptop and pc no connection
[07:30] <Kilos-> have they been hacked at last
[07:34] <chesedo> morning all
[07:34] <Kilos-> hi chesedo 
[07:34] <chesedo> and ty inetpro and happy new year pavlushka
[07:35] <pavlushka> chesedo: thanks, :)
[07:36] <chesedo> thatgraemeguy: snaps also do not have to ship with their debs (can still specify them as debs)... it is more for when the snap will rely on a new version of a debendency that is not going to be in the repos
[07:38] <chesedo> I personally love how a update will not download the whole snap, but only the parts that changed
[08:06] <superfly> Kilos-: yes, we are too
[08:17] <Kilos-> ty superfly 
[08:20] <superfly> Kilos-: it seems to be working again
[08:30] <Kilos-> still dead here
[08:30] <Kilos-> cant even get online with the webchat
[08:31] <Kilos-> the odd message goes through 
[08:36] <Kilos-> telkom tech has just been here and reckons there have been many complaints about the speed, so going to advise tower upgrade
[08:36] <Kilos-> yay
[08:41] <bushtech> Kilos-: holding thumbs for you. Vodacom advised me of the same last year. Nothing yet
[08:50] <MaNI> some residents association or other will probably block the upgrade :p
[08:51] <superfly> Kilos-: https://twitter.com/telegram/status/720529325959835648
[08:51] <Kilos-> the prob is that the tech just sends in a report and someone else has to approve the cost
[08:51] <Kilos-> i go see superfly 
[08:54] <Kilos-> hee hee added my 2 cents worth
[08:55] <Kilos-> where is MENA
[09:02] <superfly> Middle East North Africa
[09:11] <Kilos-> ty
[09:11] <Kilos-> uh oh 
[09:11] <Langjan> Hi guys
[09:11] <Kilos-> what broke
[09:11] <Langjan> uhoh
[09:11] <Kilos-> ohi Langjan 
[09:12] <Kilos-> hehe
[09:12] <Langjan> me broke, loan?
[09:12] <Kilos-> join the family
[09:12] <Langjan> hi there Kilos- 
[09:13] <Langjan> Mens moet niks weggooi nie, nie eens 'n strepie nie...
[09:13] <Kilos> bushtech my speed is ok today
[09:13] <Kilos> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5249881738
[09:13] <Kilos> haha
[09:13] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit daar Langjan 
[09:14] <Langjan> Goed dankie Kilos - sjoe jou spoed lyk goed
[09:15] <Kilos> ja en ek kerm vir nog
[09:15] <Langjan> Myne loop gewoonlik so net onder 2 MBps
[09:15] <Kilos> ai!
[09:15] <Langjan> joune is naby aan 10
[09:16] <Kilos> yay telegram fixed it seems
[09:16] <Langjan> telegram? Did not know they still existed
[09:17] <Kilos> its a chat tool Langjan 
[09:17] <Kilos> very lekker 
[09:17] <Kilos> fast and secure
[09:17] <Langjan> like xchat?
[09:17] <Kilos> https://telegram.org/
[09:18] <Kilos> you get telegram-desktop for you pc
[09:18] <Langjan> If we have different tools we will lose contact?
[09:18] <Kilos> ill always be here man
[09:18] <Kilos> use telegram to aus to my girls and to ian
[09:19] <Kilos> you can have group chats as well
[09:19] <Kilos> and it works in pidgin
[09:19] <Langjan> whats pidgin? Posduiwe?
[09:19] <Kilos> and works on anything that can go to the internet
[09:19] <Kilos> nee man
[09:20] <Kilos> pidgin is in the repos
[09:20] <Kilos> instant messaging from all the other things all in one place
[09:21] <Kilos> keep up old man
[09:21] <Langjan> Why do I have you?
[09:21] <Kilos> haha ok
[09:22] <Kilos> pidgin can do off the record chats as well for sectret stuff
[09:22] <Kilos> secret
[09:22] <Kilos> so does telegram if one side is using an android device
[09:23] <Kilos> pidgin gives the option for start secret chat
[09:26] <Kilos> haha
[09:26] <Kilos> Telegram Messenger
[09:26] <Kilos> liked your Tweet.
[09:28] <Langjan> mine? which one
[09:28] <Kilos> mine man
[09:28] <Kilos> thats what twit place says
[09:29] <Kilos> whats broken Langjan ??
[09:35] <Langjan> Hey Kilos  you there? This pidgin wants to fly but dont know where to
[09:35] <Kilos> haha
[09:36] <Kilos> dont you know anyone on mxit or msn or aim or telegramd
[09:36] <Langjan> no, except maybe you
[09:37] <Kilos> oh my
[09:37] <Kilos> keep up man
[09:37] <Langjan> No, why? I have enough to keep me busy
[09:37] <Kilos> how do you stay in contact with your kids in aus
[09:37] <Kilos> apart from skype
[09:38] <Langjan> via whatsapp, email, FB and skype
[09:38] <Kilos> you have to keep up with the kids
[09:38] <Kilos> ai! fb
[09:38] <Kilos> eek
[09:39] <Kilos> your kids must have android fones and tablets
[09:39] <Kilos> tell them to get telegram mesesnger in the app store
[09:39] <Kilos> nothing you use is secure
[09:40] <Langjan> secure from?
[09:40] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[09:40] <Kilos> from other peeps listening in or reading
[09:40] <superfly> Kilos: looks like Telegram is back online
[09:40] <Kilos> skype keeps records of everything too
[09:41] <Kilos> yes superfly its working fine again
[09:42] <Kilos> pidgin bing bonged me when it came online
[09:44] <Kilos> Langjan with telegram when you finished chatting you delete your chat and same other side then there is no record of it anywhere
[09:44] <Langjan> So telegram is sitting in my archive manager and pidgin wants to fly, where do I go from here?
[09:44] <Kilos> ok
[09:44] <Kilos> lets get you links
[09:44] <Langjan> which golf course?
[09:45] <Kilos> https://github.com/majn/telegram-purple
[09:46] <Langjan> What do I do there? 
[09:46] <Kilos> once installed you will see in pidgin when you add someone from telegram you enter their cell number there
[09:46] <Kilos> and if they are online you can chat instantly
[09:48] <zipper> How are you humans doing?
[09:48] <Kilos> good ty zipper and you
[09:48] <zipper> Kilos: Signal is secure.
[09:48] <zipper> Telegram is not.
[09:49] <Kilos> what isnt?
[09:49] <zipper> Telegram isn't secure
[09:49] <Kilos> why not
[09:51] <Kilos> you can explain, i go chase sheep out of herb garden
[09:52] <Kilos> or give a link that explains why it isnt secure
[09:53] <Langjan> Looks way too complicated to my liking
[09:54] <Kilos> they offered 200K in dollars to anyone that can crack it
[09:55] <Kilos> what now Langjan 
[09:55] <Kilos> one setup pidgin rocks
[09:56] <Kilos> once
[09:57] <Langjan> I have more than enough to keep me occupied
[09:57] <Kilos> lol
[10:00] <Langjan> What is GitHub? 
[10:00] <Kilos> funny place where peeps work on stuff
[10:05] <chesedo> or more accurately a repo for git version controlled stuff (much like launchpad)
[10:10] <mazal> Ok then , now I have so many connection I almost have one for each device
[10:10] <mazal> Hi Langjan , zipper , superfly , chesedo
[10:11] <mazal> Oom Kilos , guess what happened this morning
[10:13] <Kilos> what mazal 
[10:14] <mazal> Telkom came and fixed my landline
[10:14] <mazal> Now I have 3 connections hehehehe
[10:14] <mazal> The cancellation department still didn't do their work and cancel the service , so technitians decided to fix the line
[10:14] <Kilos> hehe
[10:14] <Kilos> oh my
[10:15] <mazal> Here this response of where they found the problem:
[10:15] <mazal> And I qoute
[10:15] <Kilos> well now you cant complain about being offline anymore
[10:15] <mazal> The flat next door cut off the cable.
[10:15] <Kilos> oh my
[10:15] <mazal> When asked why they said and I qoute " We didn't know what this cable does so we cut it off "
[10:16] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:16] <mazal> Can you believe that !
[10:16] <Kilos> nice neighbours to have
[10:16] <mazal> no comment
[10:17] <mazal> I go shower , l8tr
[10:19] <chesedo> mazal: does their power cable run through your department by any change :P
[10:19] <Kilos> lol
[10:20] <Kilos> maybe thats why no hot water
[10:41] <mazal> chesedo, don't be giving me ideas :)
[13:18] <Kilos> oh my the pro went
[13:18] <Kilos> oh wb inetpro 
[13:19] <Kilos> whats with you quassel peeps
[13:20] <Kilos> inetpro i noticed apt does kernel stuff as well
[13:20] <inetpro> what's this thing about kernel stuff you are talking about?
[13:21] <Kilos> ai!
[13:21] <Kilos> headers and such man
[13:21] <Kilos> now i gotta go to desktop and see what
[13:21] <Kilos> ai!
[13:21] <Kilos> linux packages
[13:22] <inetpro> some packages need 'apt upgrade' others need 'apt dist-upgrade'
[13:22] <Kilos> but aptitude does them all
[13:22] <Kilos> maybe ill stick with aptitude
[13:23] <thatgraemeguy> upgrade only upgrades packages where such upgrade would not remove other packages or pull in new packages
[13:24] <inetpro> Kilos: with aptitude you also get safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
[13:24] <thatgraemeguy> dist-upgrade will also upgrade packages that remove existing packages or pull new dependencies
[13:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:24] <Kilos> and if i use synaptic and let that upgrade?
[13:24] <Kilos> will that do all
[13:24] <thatgraemeguy> then you tell us....
[13:25] <thatgraemeguy> you're the only one that uses that GUI nonsense :P
[13:25] <Kilos> lol
[13:25] <Kilos> ok
[13:25] <inetpro> thanks thatgraemeguy
[13:25] <Kilos> i have always used aptitude
[13:25]  * Kilos sulks
[13:27] <Kilos> too much to remember
[13:27] <Kilos> sigh
[13:27] <Kilos> 2nd day no ballie nap
[13:28] <thatgraemeguy> been up since 2.30ish, could do with a nap o_O
[13:28] <Kilos> ouch why
[13:29] <thatgraemeguy> I do 03:00-05:00 neighbourhood watch patrol on tuesday and thursday
[13:29] <Kilos> good man
[13:29]  * Kilos doffs hat
[13:29] <thatgraemeguy> and when I can on weekends
[13:30] <Kilos> i think thats how you say it
[13:30] <thatgraemeguy> well look at that
[13:31] <thatgraemeguy> not often a boertjie teaches a soutie an english phrase... ;-)
[13:31] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:31] <Kilos> i am english man
[13:31]  * thatgraemeguy doffs his hat at Kilos 
[13:31] <thatgraemeguy> oh, lol
[13:31] <thatgraemeguy> ok then
[13:31] <Kilos> hehe
[13:31] <thatgraemeguy> there you teach me something else
[13:32] <Kilos> just grew up amongst van der merwes
[13:32] <thatgraemeguy> yip same
[13:32] <thatgraemeguy> I even married one
[13:32] <thatgraemeguy> now I have 2 little ones
[13:32] <thatgraemeguy> the english is weak all around me :-o
[13:32] <Kilos> they have some cute chicks
[13:33] <Kilos> or had in my young days
[13:33] <Kilos> many are fat today i see
[13:33] <Kilos> even in school
[13:35] <Kilos> hi spinza you have been quiet
[13:36] <Kilos> later all, shepherd duties
[16:22] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[16:22]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:27] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[16:27] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[16:27] <Kilos> hi aquarat 
[16:55] <Cryterion> Hi everyone
[16:55] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[16:56] <Cryterion> heya Kilos
[16:57] <Cryterion> Tor browser has some serious privacy bugs atm
[17:09] <inetpro> good morning everyone 
[17:10] <inetpro> what do you do if you mounted a partition on /usr accidentally? 
[17:16] <inetpro> kom nou oom Kilos, jy kan mos nie vir my so ignoreer nie 
[17:17] <Kilos> oops
[17:18] <Kilos> skuus man was besig om maag te vul
[17:18] <Kilos> sudo umount
[17:18] <inetpro> gaan nie werk nie 
[17:18] <inetpro> sudo is onder /usr 
[17:21] <Kilos> then become root and umount it
[17:21] <Kilos> sudo -i
[17:22] <Kilos> holy moly man, how can you ask me such heavy questions
[17:22] <Kilos> im only an appy geek remember
[17:26] <Kilos> hi kfm
[17:26] <Kilos> oops
[17:26] <Kilos> kmf 
[17:27] <Kilos> Mariusoft hoekom so stil?
[17:28] <Kilos> dont be shy, join in the madhouse chats
[17:42] <kmf> Hi Kilos 
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: /usr/bin/sudo
[18:05] <Kilos> does root not bypass that
[18:05] <inetpro> if you mount something on /usr all the bin stuff plus more are gone
[18:06] <Kilos> how did you mount it inetpro ?
[18:06] <Kilos> by accident of course
[18:06] <inetpro> yes man
[18:06] <Kilos> think how
[18:07] <Kilos> then work out a reverse to it
[18:07] <inetpro> while you mount it the mount is still active
[18:07] <Kilos> wht did you mount again
[18:07] <Kilos> the whole /usr/bin?
[18:08] <Kilos> or /usr/bin/bla/bla
[18:08] <Kilos> how did you mount it by accident?
[18:09] <Kilos> explain carefully
[18:10] <inetpro> Kilos: say for example mount you do mount /dev/cdrom /usr 
[18:10] <Kilos> just reboot man
[18:10] <Kilos> yes
[18:10] <Kilos> oh
[18:10] <Kilos> wait
[18:11] <Kilos> that means mount the cdrom with /usr
[18:11] <Kilos> was that a typo
[18:11] <inetpro> everything on the CD will be on /usr in stead of the usual system stuffs
[18:11] <Kilos> yeah i see that now
[18:12] <inetpro> I didn't do it... was just a trick question for you
[18:12] <Kilos> wont rebooting solve the prob
[18:12] <Kilos> whaaaaaaat\
[18:12] <inetpro> yep, reboot will fix it
[18:12] <inetpro> :-)
[18:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:13] <inetpro> well done Kilos
[18:13] <Kilos> what made you think of trying me like that
[18:13] <inetpro> haha
[18:13] <Kilos> here i thought you had made a mistake
[18:14] <Kilos> see not all your time spent with me has been a waste
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: Top new questions this week at Ask Ubuntu
[18:14] <Kilos> i actually remember much better than when i started
[18:14] <Kilos> eeeeeek
[18:15] <Kilos> you go hunting there to trick me
[18:15] <inetpro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/755614/accidentally-mounted-a-partition-on-usr
[18:15] <Kilos> holy moly
[18:16] <Kilos> haha
[18:17] <Kilos> you so evil
[18:17] <Kilos> torturing me
[18:19] <inetpro> and here's another one for somone else to answer:
[18:19] <inetpro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/756261/accessing-a-lamp-webserver-thats-behind-a-ubuntu-vm-acting-as-a-firewall
[18:20] <Kilos> yay
[18:20] <Kilos> bushtech_ thats yours ^^
[18:20] <inetpro> oh you can do it as well if you want Kilos
[18:20] <Kilos> nno
[18:20] <Kilos> nonono
[18:20] <Kilos> i dont play with vm things
[18:21] <Kilos> if you cant swim you dont jump into the deep end of the pool
[18:22] <Kilos> but ill look at it
[18:25] <Kilos> can he use traceroute and tracepath commands there
[18:27] <Kilos> inetpro that ubuntu vm is what actually
[18:27] <inetpro> uh, Kilos don't ask me now, I didn't put the question
[18:27] <Kilos> do you understand it man
[18:27] <inetpro> am just pointing others to an interesting question
[18:28] <Kilos> he needs to grant the pc permision to get to the server
[18:28] <Kilos> is that right
[18:28] <inetpro> even this one, is another interesting question with no answer, yet
[18:28] <inetpro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/756393/is-the-lock-screen-secure
[18:29] <Kilos> one thing at a time man
[18:30] <Kilos> so i think that other funny thing is needed
[18:30]  * Kilos thinks
[18:31] <inetpro> go answer it at askubuntu.com 
[18:31] <Kilos> the thing you use to aloow one pc to share another ones internet connection'
[18:31] <Kilos> i asking you
[18:31] <inetpro> oh my
[18:32]  * inetpro too tired to think now 
[18:32] <Kilos> the thing i used to allow one pc to  share net
[18:32] <inetpro> wb MaNI
[18:32] <Kilos> when using iptables
[18:32] <Kilos> funny word
[18:32] <Kilos> um
[18:33] <Kilos> something some forward
[18:33] <MaNI> thanks
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: why so quiet now, is it that difficult?
[18:49] <Kilos> i cant remember the word
[18:49] <Kilos> ha
[18:49] <Kilos> masquerade
[18:50] <Kilos> i think thats it
[18:50] <Kilos> dnsmasq
[18:51] <Kilos> but ive closed that link
[18:51] <Kilos> too heavy for me to work out unless i can see what happening
[18:52] <inetpro> you are forgiven
[18:52] <Kilos> you win inetpro i give up
[18:52] <inetpro> but just today
[18:52] <Kilos> forgiven for what?
[18:52] <inetpro> for not helping those dudes man
[18:53] <Kilos> hahahahaha
[18:53] <Kilos> you so cheeky
[18:53] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:53] <inetpro> can't believe you just let them struggle like that
[18:53] <Kilos> i have enough probs man
[18:53] <Kilos> seems pakistan also went fb then went to sleep
[18:54] <inetpro> usually you would ask someone to tell them to come here to get help
[18:54] <Kilos> yes but you said you are tired
[18:54] <inetpro> haha slimjan
[18:54] <Kilos> actually that would be for fly
[18:55] <Kilos> you think im just a pretty face
[18:56] <inetpro> ek gaan slaap nou
[18:56] <inetpro> goeie nag oom
[18:56] <Kilos> lekker slaap boetie
[19:17] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight