[00:07] <bluesabre> flocculant: commented again on bug 1513590 and marked invalid for the project. If you agree, we can also mark the Ubuntu report as such.
[00:09] <bluesabre> flocculant: unable to reproduce bug 1515184
[00:09] <bluesabre> maybe somebody else from !team would like to take a peek
[00:11] <bluesabre> and that basically leaves thunar
[00:12] <bluesabre> and libreoffice
[00:12] <bluesabre> two things I am unlikely able to fix :D
[00:18] <bluesabre> going to test the existing patches to see if any of those thunar bugs (all really the same bug) are lessened
[00:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, I turned on ddebs for one of the PPAs, and disabled skippy-xd.
[00:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: ddebs?
[00:24] <Unit193> Automatic -dbg packages called -dbgsym, or something like that.
[00:29] <krytarik> bluesabre: Regarding your translations shuffling, that's not necessary: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[00:38] <bluesabre> ah
[00:38] <bluesabre> well, suppose I'll push an xfpanel-switch update then for funsies
[00:41] <krytarik> \o/
[01:12] <bluesabre> while trying to recreate the thunar bug... I may have found a new one
[01:12] <bluesabre> when will the madness end
[01:12] <bluesabre> :D
[01:14] <drc> When you stop trying to fix things...if debugging is the art of taking out bugs, then coding is the art of putting in bugs :)
[01:14] <Unit193> Craaaap. :P
[01:21] <bluesabre> bug 1570153
[01:52] <bluesabre> xfpanel-switch uploaded, we'll see what happens next
[01:52] <Unit193> Uploading Virii?
[01:53] <bluesabre> >.>
[01:58] <bluesabre> that's probably it for uploads... tomorrow final freeze goes into effect (likely before I get home)
[01:59] <bluesabre> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze)
[02:00] <bluesabre> maybe we'll figure out thunar before release :)
[02:00] <Unit193> Eh...
[05:07] <pavlushka> Hello every one!
[05:07] <pavlushka> How can I request to add an keyboard layout to Xubuntu?
[05:07] <pavlushka> the alpha 16.04 was supporting it but in beta, its gone.
[05:13] <pavlushka> topic 2: echo lines are not there before booting kernel and initrd image in grub, its good to know whats happening so I had to re-edit that.
[05:15] <pavlushka> fyi, I use Bengali Jatiya Keyboard Layout.
[05:15] <pavlushka> for typing Bengali.
[05:16] <pavlushka> http://www.ekushey.org/?page/national_layout
[05:22] <pavlushka> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_input_methods
[06:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: 1513590 yup mark it invalid for ubuntu too and thanks for having a look at 1515184 too
[10:29] <Reklan> flocc
[10:30] <Reklan> flocculant, Tried to reproduce bug 1571053 unable to do so in a VM or on Hardware.. moved the files well over 100 continuously.
[10:31] <Reklan> bug 1570153 that is
[10:31] <Reklan> Thunar crashes when moving files with SIGSEGV in __GI___libc_free()
[10:42] <bluesabre> slickymaster: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfpanel-switch/1.0.4-0ubuntu1
[10:43] <bluesabre> knome, flocculant: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/16.04.5
[11:04] <flocculant> bluesabre: nice :)
[11:04] <flocculant> Reklan: thanks for checking that 
[11:05] <flocculant> seems to be one of those thunar sometimes people see it things :(
[11:22] <bluesabre> flocculant: so, if that lands in time for the image, we can kick the duplicate imagemagick entries from the bug list
[11:22] <flocculant> yup :)
[11:23] <flocculant> I think once we move out of 16.04 we really need to think about thunar 
[11:24] <flocculant> and you were completely right in -offtopic :p
[11:24] <bluesabre> yes
[11:24] <bluesabre> :D
[11:24] <flocculant> I did have a quick look at caja and nemo (Ithink those are the names) as well as pcmanfm
[11:25] <flocculant> mostly to prove my usb3 issue was everywhere - one looked more of a fit to us visually than the others 
[11:25] <bluesabre> caja and nemo are a bit more polished, definitely
[11:26] <flocculant> right
[11:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: and that LO theme thing is a bit odd - I did 6 or so yesterday - same thing in all of them
[11:27] <flocculant> and was apparently like it for a while - I just missed it - saw it wasn't breeze and thought no more of it
[11:27] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, its probably a bug that is actually in libreoffice... it picks randomly from whats available, and galaxy comes with lo
[11:28] <flocculant> right
[11:29] <bluesabre> there might be something we can do to lock that in the config, but it would probably be ugly
[11:29] <flocculant> mmm
[11:29] <flocculant> I guess we should think about that though even if it is 
[11:29] <flocculant> would make it pointless to have elementary at all otherwise 
[11:30] <bluesabre> indeed
[11:30] <flocculant> *though* people could at least use it 
[11:30] <bluesabre> I can experiment with it
[11:30] <flocculant> my fault - should have caught that before
[11:31] <bluesabre> its hit and miss, could be most folks are seeing the elementary theme and just a few are not
[11:32] <flocculant> could be
[11:32] <flocculant> at least you saw something different to me
[11:32] <flocculant> anyway - end result is it's *now* and we have it to try and work out lol 
[11:33] <flocculant> off again now - bbl
[12:39] <Reklan> flocculant, just doing todays iso, as we are nearing the RC, do you want ALL bugs reporting (i.e VM reboot, Ubuntu 1 BMarks etc) or just the  newer ones.. i.e Static IP box, and LO elementary theme..
[12:43] <Reklan> nvm didn't see you gone.. will add all of them.. you can always delete them  :-)
[15:46] <pavlushka>  repositories are not working. no ping from repository, mtr tool can trace it with ip!!!
[15:58] <pavlushka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15832837/
[16:07] <PaulW2U> pavlushka: May be a local problem? I've downloaded today's updates using both the "main" and GB settings for the Ubuntu repositories.
[16:34] <flocculant> reklan - just in case you read logs: report what you see even if it's old, put it on tracker
[16:34] <flocculant> the chance of fixing things diminish rapidly now - but we can put things on release notes so people are aware
[16:35] <flocculant> you can report the vbox reboot if you want - that's one I *will* ignore - it has a special status on release notes @LEAVE THIS ONE FOREVER PROBABLY :p
[17:20] <knome> bluesabre, saw that, thank
[17:20] <knome> +s
[18:12] <flocculant> anyone know the mechanism behind being subscribed to a bug
[18:12] <flocculant> that is if 'xubuntu bugs' isn't auto subscribed to something here https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs would the person reporting have to physically subscribe someone to it? 
[18:13] <flocculant> talking launchpad here 
[19:07] <krytarik> flocculant: Unless the bug report is linked anywhere else, like the QA trackers, or another person/team relevant to the package is subscribed to it, it'd seem yes.
[19:16] <flocculant> krytarik: that's what I thought
[19:23] <flocculant> and if it's tracker it says so "This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu Package testing tracker."
[19:24] <flocculant> but it doesn't actually subscribe you - it just reports to LP if tracker is involved
[19:24] <flocculant> so if it's one of our packages we're subscribed to I'd see
[19:25] <flocculant> another reason why reports there work :)
[19:33] <flocculant> knome: made a couple of minor changes to other mm's
[19:34] <knome> flocculant, k
[19:35] <knome> going to publish it next
[19:35] <knome> flocculant, oh, straight to x.org? nice
[19:35] <flocculant> knome: the small details - for after release, things like how do people change the way the power icon shows different options - which is currently a command to add to settings then you can fiddle in settings editor
[19:35] <flocculant> just a thought
[19:36] <knome> yes, we can do more of them
[19:36] <flocculant> knome: yea - when I know it's on x.org I'll do changes there :)
[19:36] <knome> pleia2, social media time
[19:37] <knome> pleia2, https://xubuntu.org/news/my-media-manager-other-alternatives/ is out and tweeted
[19:38] <pleia2> k
[19:40] <flocculant> I do wonder why there's the option to change the wallpaper in seconds 
[19:41] <flocculant> knome: and checked wallpapers (again I think but nvm:)
[19:41] <knome> :D
[19:43] <pleia2> it's on g+ and fb now
[19:43] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks :)
[19:45] <knome> pleia2, mind pasting the links here so i can forward to those who participated in creating the article?
[19:46] <pleia2> https://www.facebook.com/xubuntuusers/posts/968719729843601
[19:46] <pleia2> https://plus.google.com/+xubuntu/posts/QxAjnMNk4of
[19:47] <knome> thanks
[19:47] <pleia2> no login walls, yay
[19:47] <flocculant> :)
[19:50] <knome> twitter tells me 54% of our audience buys cheese.
[19:50] <knome> and only 49% chocolate candy
[19:50] <flocculant> got to be wrong
[19:50] <knome> audience being followers
[19:50] <davmor2> knome: so you're saying twitter is full of mice
[19:51]  * knome shrugs
[19:51] <knome> no idea
[19:53] <flocculant> well
[19:53] <flocculant> if 100% of twitter followers ate grass you could use that argument
[19:53] <knome> ;)
[19:54] <davmor2> flocculant: no then I'd say they were cows not mice :P
[19:55] <knome> or hippied
[19:55] <knome> hippies too
[19:56] <flocculant> davmor2: or sheep
[19:56] <flocculant> not *our* followers in particular you understand
[19:56] <davmor2> flocculant: That would be a better metaphor I guess
[19:57] <flocculant> :)
[19:57] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkCwFkOZoOY
[19:57] <davmor2> flocculant: ^
[20:02] <flocculant> if that's shawn ... 
[20:03] <flocculant> phew ...
[20:22] <flocculant> think I'll grab someone else's image and hope the suspend/cursor thing is global
[20:22] <flocculant> eeny meeny miny mo ... 
[20:23] <Unit193> Kubuntu.
[20:25] <flocculant> ubuntu
[20:26] <flocculant> if it affects ubuntu more chance of it getting fixed :p
[20:29] <flocculant> and evening Unit193 :)
[20:29] <Unit193> Howdy.
[20:47] <ochosi> late evening all
[20:48] <flocculant> ochosi: evening :)
[20:48] <ochosi> uhm, you wanna replace thunar..?
[20:49] <flocculant> not this or next week :p
[20:49] <ochosi> yeah, obviously
[20:49] <ochosi> but even very generally speaking?
[20:49] <Unit193> ochosi: It's got everyone upset that it likes crashing so much.
[20:49] <flocculant> if it keeps causing issues like it has been then why not
[20:49] <ochosi> yeah, but i guess that's partly due to updates in gvfs
[20:50] <ochosi> it used to be quite stable a few releases ago
[20:50] <ochosi> and there wasn't any massive thunar development
[20:50] <flocculant> well yea maybe gvfs is causing the problems - but I don't see much in the way of people complaining about other file managers which I assume use gvfs as well
[20:50] <ochosi> have any of you tried going back to an older thunar version?
[20:51] <ochosi> yeah, it might be that other file managers have some gvfs stuff implemented differently, hard to tell, i'm no thunar expert
[20:51] <ochosi> i only browsed the source code very superficially
[20:51] <ochosi> still, i'd think it's worth trying to figure out what's wrong with it
[20:51] <flocculant> of course
[20:52] <Unit193> ochosi: Though doesn't matter if it is gvfs that causes it, still crashing.  If you have a 50/50 chance, yeah that's not good.  Personally yes I'd like to keep thunar, though it'd need fixed.
[20:54] <flocculant> ochosi: just ftr it's not just me :)
[20:54] <Nairwolf> hi ;)
[20:55] <Nairwolf> Do you remember what I said yesterday about 13 April daily ? The theme of nm-applet was weird, and it was difficult to distinguish power level of Wi-Fi signals
[20:56] <ochosi> yup
[20:56] <Nairwolf> I've tested with a reclean install, and it's the same bug...
[20:56] <ochosi> odd
[20:56] <ochosi> i thought flocculant also tested with a clean install
[20:56] <flocculant> Nairwolf: though it could be your eyes 
[20:56] <flocculant> ochosi: I did
[20:56] <flocculant> eg - while you might not find them very distinct difference others do 
[20:57] <Unit193> Eyes, monitor, video drivers, etc? :P
[20:57] <flocculant> yea
[20:58] <Nairwolf> let me send you the imgur link
[20:58] <Nairwolf> look this : https://imgur.com/eDtA2Qm
[20:58] <Nairwolf> look nm-apple wifi signals
[20:58] <ochosi> right
[20:58] <ochosi> those are fine
[20:59] <ochosi> apart from XIXI all your wifis have bad signal -> not our fault!
[20:59] <ochosi> ;)
[20:59] <flocculant> :)
[20:59] <flocculant> Nairwolf: unless you're talking about the lock icon
[20:59] <ochosi> yeah, still not sure why the lock icon is white
[20:59] <ochosi> shouldn't be the case and isn't in 15.10
[21:00] <Nairwolf> what is the lock icon ? 
[21:01] <Nairwolf> ochosi: yes most of my wifis have bad signal, but I've found coulors make it difficult to distinguish low level and high level
[21:01] <Nairwolf> Maybe it was like that in 15.10 before
[21:01] <Nairwolf> Didn't notice
[21:07] <Nairwolf> I'm sorry, I am not able to test more the daily tonight...
[21:08] <ochosi> humm, i think i might've found the root cause of the light lock icon...
[21:11] <flocculant> Nairwolf: no need for apologies :)
[21:13] <flocculant> ochosi: someone seeded eraser?
[21:15] <ochosi> i wonder though whether we'll be able to test the fix in time
[21:15] <ochosi> even more so whether we'll be able to get it into the image, even though it's a trivial one (if it works)
[21:16] <flocculant> ochosi: well if we can get it on a ppa we can test it 
[21:16] <flocculant> whether we can get it landed is another thing
[21:17] <ochosi> it'll automatically land in the shimmer daily PPA
[21:17] <Unit193> With the nasty versioning. :3
[21:18] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - I'll set the laptop up to that daily then and check tomorrow if someone reminds me - and I'm sure Nairwolf would if asked ;)
[21:18] <ochosi> i just requested a build there, so whenever that one is done (it estimates ~12mins) you can upgrade and test
[21:19] <flocculant> if I'm still kicking tonight I'll have a look
[21:19] <ochosi> now it says 2mins
[21:19] <ochosi> in case that motivates you ;)
[21:19] <flocculant> :)
[21:19] <ochosi> already building
[21:20] <flocculant> atm I'm just trying somethings with this cursor missing on suspend issue
[21:20] <flocculant> and *think* possibly found something else ... 
[21:24] <slickymaster> great bluesabre. Thanks
[21:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1568604 I just checked one of the comments from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815135
[21:26] <flocculant> change to vt1 then back to vt7 and cursor comes back, also I http://askubuntu.com/questions/504307/ubuntu-14-04-changing-intel-graphics-driver-configurations > anyname.conf and change sna to uxa - cursor works after suspend 
[21:27] <bluesabre> ochosi: thunar development sped up after 1.6.3, with lots of contributors and accepted patches... things also started breaking at that point
[21:28] <flocculant> oh hey bluesabre :)
[21:29] <bluesabre> hey flocculant
[21:29] <flocculant> ochosi: here? https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily?field.series_filter=xenial
[21:29] <bluesabre> bbiab
[21:30] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll be gone I expect - I'm pretty sure that the LP cursor bug can upstream to that debian one - but not confident enough to add it :p
[21:32] <ochosi> flocculant: yup
[21:33] <ochosi> this is the build https://code.launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily/+recipebuild/1118237
[21:33] <ochosi> sorry, gotta go take care of the little one
[21:33] <flocculant> ok - just not showing up yet
[21:33] <flocculant> ochosi: s'ok :)
[21:34] <ochosi> if it helps, maybe sean can pull in the changes to xubuntu-artwork and release/upload a new version
[21:34] <ochosi> if it doesn't, i'll try to fix it on the weekend
[21:34] <ochosi> gotta run, night everyone!
[21:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, true, maybe i gotta talk to hjudt
[21:34] <ochosi> ->
[21:35] <flocculant> ochosi: night :)
[21:53] <flocculant> I'll check the icon theme in the morning ... 
[21:53] <flocculant> night all
[21:54] <slickymaster> night flocculant